Terrorist attacks on America are the result of our failure to notify the terrorists that their enemy has relocated to BERMUDA!!!

Posted by: JIK at January 17, 2005 07:56 PM

interesting ...

your on the ball tonight not sam!

MRR Blog Top Asses as of 01-17-05

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11. Frngy

10. Crankbait

9. aka MAT

8. AJAX

7. Tonid

6. Rustle

5. Conbo

4. Edna Allen Poe

3. JIK

2. Dadalux

1. Nobody

The Regressives don't believe in free speech and an open exchange of ideas. They are anti-democratic totallitarians. They have more in common intellectually and psychologicaly with the Taliban, the Iranian mullahs and Jihadi's. Ken Burns said today that if Bill O'reilly had been alive during the time of Washington and Jefferson he would have been a Tory. He would be a mullah in Iran.

flowers...for me?....you shouldn't have...[blush]

saliva control problem

HA HA HA!

That is so much more polite than saying, "When he is around Janeane he drolls."

/I would too, up until she lights up. Smoking. Eugh!

Hey, buddy: Many a riding lawn mower has eaten my dust.

Posted by: Crank Bait at January 17, 2005 07:53 PM

I heard they were all mowing uphill in the mud.

TSUNAMI AID PER CAPITA George Clooney left to save face for the USA?

Australia: $764M ($15.6M). Population: 20.2. Per capita: $37.82 Canada: $425M ($3.3M). Population 32.1. Per capita: $13.24

China: $63M ($2.6M). Population: 1,300. Per capita: $0.05

Denmark: $76.2M ($1.8M). Population: 5.4. Per capita: $14.11

European Union: $618M ($30M). Population: 456.3. Per capita: $1.36

Finland: $65.3M ($4M). Population: 5.2. Per capita: $12.56

France: $64.6M ($0.135M). Population: 61.7. Per capita: $1.05

Germany: $674M ($1.35M). Population: 82.5. Per capita: $8.17

Japan: $500M ($30M). Population: 128. Per capita: $3.91

Kuwait: $10M. Population: 2.3. Per capita: $4.35

Netherlands: $34M ($2.6M). Population: 16.3. Per capita: $2.09

New Zealand: $6.9M. Population: 4.1. Per capita: $1.68.

Norway: $180M ($16.4M). Population: 4.6. Per capita: $39.13

Qatar:$25M. Population: .84. Per capita: $29.76

Saudi Arabia: $30M ($10M). Population: 25.6. Per capita: $1.17

Spain: $68M ($1.35M). Population: 40.3. Per capita: $1.69

Sweden: $75M ($0.75M). Population: 9. Per capita: $8.33

Switzerland: $96.2M. Population: 7.4. Per capita: $13.00

Taiwan: $50M ($5). Population: 22.6. Per capita: $2.21

United Arab Emirates: $20M. Population: 2.5. Per capita: $8.00

United Kingdom: $95.1M ($1.3M). Population: 59.6. Per capita: $1.61.

United States: $350M ($15M). Population: 295.2. Per capita: $1.19

(Source for statistics on earlier/initial aid offers are mostly from "Reuters Factbox: Nations pledge aid after Asia tsunami disaster" (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/110433536336.htm). Most press sources are now giving the initial United States commitment as $35 million, but they're incorrect. The initial total offered by the State Department was $15 million and is detailed in a transcript of Secretary of State Colin Powell's press briefing, along with the head of USAID, on December 27.)

Not an insult, just no other way to say it.

Posted by: the3rdoption at January 17, 2005 07:59 PM

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Are you joking or are you serious?

f you are serious, I feel bad.

THE SOCIOLOGY AND PSYCHOLOGY OF TERRORISM:

WHO BECOMES A TERRORIST AND WHY?

worth the read for a number of reasons

Top 50,000,000 Reasons to NOTICE MEEEEE! LA LA LA LA LA! POOOO! POOOO! BABY SAY POOOOOO! WHEEEEE! HEE HEE HEE!

Are you joking or are you serious?

Posted by: Meg at January 17, 2005 08:04 PM

Nay, no joke. :)

The Army is engaged in a bureaucratic brawl with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over how to organize troops for "nation-building," a growing problem for the military as it settles in for lengthy occupations in Iraq, Afghanistan and possibly other countries.

Posted by: Nobody at January 17, 2005 07:54 PM

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I suggest a new Bureaucratic Battalion, comprised of guys in cheap suits commanding underpaid secretaries who chew gum and actually do the work.

Spocko...yes you will! The word LOSE has become the most frequently misspelled word in America since the internet began. But, I was only joking with you...not critiquing you. I purposely misspelled my own name in my post.

"I would too, up until she lights up. Smoking. Eugh!"

/agree

I hate women who taste like ashtrays. :6 Always depressing to me when a beautiful lady, like Janeane, lights up.

Sadly, I think it also detracts from her intelligence. After all, IMHO, only stupid people would consciously pick up the habit. I guess I'll make an exception for Janeane, though. ;)

AkaMAT, yeah youse may be right aboutME and my "Frontal Lobe(S)," ya STINKIN' apologist for Man-EATIN,' GRABOIDS, from EARTH's(Still far More EVOLVED and Planned, evolutionarily-speakin,' than REPUBLICAN, "American" Party)PRE-CAMBRIAN AGE, I mean "AkaMAT," we're talkin' far BEYOND, "HOLOCENE," HEREIN, Me-lad!!(No, NOT Regarding MY "Frontal LOBES" ah-hem, ProblemoS!!)

I hate women who taste like ashtrays. :6 Always depressing to me when a beautiful lady, like Janeane, lights up.

Posted by: Coherence at January 17, 2005 08:05 PM

BWAHA! Ridiculous! I don't think you have anything to worry about, Janeane isn't going to let you 'taste' her.

LOL!

Whatta Ya talkin' about Cross-Dressin' "Boyo," of the Great "Blue{Movie-} Sea"?! I loveS thinkin' of "Miss JANIE" Lightin' up a PHALL, ah-hem, lightin' up a CIGERATTE!!

Ohhh Doctor Eric...

Would you please examine my rectum?

Spocko...yes you will! The word LOSE has become the most frequently misspelled word in America since the internet began. But, I was only joking with you...not critiquing you. I purposely misspelled my own name in my post.

Posted by: Funky Wagnall at January 17, 2005 08:05 PM

There's a difference between a typo and a misspell.

howdy blog folks!

It is so nice to see people who are incompentent fired. (Story about ComAir CEO who got canned) Nice of them that they allow him to call it "resigning". I hear the CEO of the Parent Company, Delta, will be giving him the Airlines Medal of Freedom.

Don't you wish that people like Rummy, Rice, and Tenet would be fired (resign) when they screw up? I'm tired of this, "He's doing a superb job." crap after Abu Ghraib and the botching of post war Iraq.

Gee George why don't you give Rummy the medal of Freedom? Are you waiting for the Iran invasion?

When you give head to a woman who smokes tobacco, you can taste the nicotine in her pussy. This used to a turn on for me a long time ago....but now I find it to be a turn off!

"JESUS-SHI-ITE ..." I mean ah "HOLY CRAPOLA, Gang!" We gotta get us a BIGGER 'GRAB-OID' WAREHOUSE, KIDS!"

Peter Ustinov made the quote about "war is the terrorism of the rich and terrorism is the war of the poor."

oh how i slept in.

oh the pain.

hello blog

When you give head to a woman who smokes tobacco, you can taste the nicotine in her pussy. This used to a turn on for me a long time ago....but now I find it to be a turn off!

Posted by: OOOOPS at January 17, 2005 08:09 PM

Who knew you could smoke cigarettes from that orifice?

I was speaking in terms of how a woman's mouth tastes when kissing her, as an ex-girlfriend of mine was a smoker.

You people have dirty minds. Heheheh, not that's really a bad thing, though.

Hi Cate!

The misspelling of the word LOSE is NOT a typo. It has become a common spelling error on blogs and websites to spell the word LOSE, LOOSE. It happens hundreds of times a day and is not a typo.

morning cate!

Tim the Democrat-

A new low

I was speaking in terms of how a woman's mouth tastes when kissing her, as an ex-girlfriend of mine was a smoker.

Posted by: Coherence at January 17, 2005 08:11 PM

That's what I meant as well. I think you and OOOPS are the only ones thinking otherwise.

I hate women who taste like ashtrays. :6 Always depressing to me when a beautiful lady, like Janeane, lights up.

Posted by: Coherence at January 17, 2005 08:05 PM

BWAHA! Ridiculous! I don't think you have anything to worry about, Janeane isn't going to let you 'taste' her.

LOL!

Posted by: the3rdoption at January 17, 2005 08:07 PM

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Herein lies an example of "culturalization;" a phenomenon that I have failed to adequately explain to a young lady who frequents the blog.

tHAT'S RIGHT AHHH!! yES!! YES, "JANIE SPRAY THE CO-2 UP MY ANUS"!! i MEAN AH, "actor," FRED WARD, "Mista' BASSETT," spray THE co-2 uP MY AH, REPUB. "mIND" "aREA," 'KAY?!"

Then, the PRe-CAMBRIAN "GRAB-OIDS," will NOT "Sense" My "Heat"!! Know Miss JANIE never wanted to, any-HEW!!

I hate women who taste like ashtrays. :6 Always depressing to me when a beautiful lady, like Janeane, lights up.

Posted by: Coherence at January 17, 2005 08:05 PM

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I hate it too, when the men taste or smell this way. Its SO gross, and it is definitely a sign of trouble. If not stupididty, a sign of stubborness.

I also hate teh way their clothes smell. Like stale wet cigarettes.

I knew they were going to ssi benefits my mom and her colonel poop husband said when the majority is stupid they dont count the emperors cornation is next week.

she mentioned fat people shouldnt get Disability and also the little motorized carts shouldnt be paid for by ssi it seems like she always has some inside of what jr the emperor is going to do next.

I dont know why these topics should concern some onewho is well off.I dont understand if youre not obese or in need of a little cart why would that even concern you.

The neocons are just cruel,If you can make a persons life a little easier and youre life is good why wouldnt want a fat person to get disability.

eya pez, mat. et al

The misspelling of the word LOSE is NOT a typo. It has become a common spelling error on blogs and websites to spell the word LOSE, LOOSE. It happens hundreds of times a day and is not a typo.

Posted by: Funky Wagnall at January 17, 2005 08:11 PM

A classic example of circular reasoning. It isn't a typo because it isn't. What is your evidence for this assertion?

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:00 PM

BAH!

War-huh What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again War-huh What is it good for? Absolutely nothing...

There you guys go again! Let's put it this way, Janeane would only let a female do that to her.

MRR Blog Top Asses as of 01-17-05

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Come on..!

What's a guy gotta do..?

Not even honorable mention?

I'd demand a recount!

Nobody is Stuffin the ballot box!

Go ERIC!

Wow...

[lights his pipe and laughs]

There are typos and there are wrongos.

Funky Wagnall. No worries. I know you were joking, so was I.

I know that word is one of my typical spelling mistakes. That word and others slip through because computer spell check programs see it as a correctly spelled word.

An unhealthy democracy IS organized crime, it's tyranny.

I'd demand a recount!

Nobody is Stuffin the ballot box!

Posted by: War Dog at January 17, 2005 08:14 PM

Trolls are not included in the list. Sorry.

The truth hurts War Doofus...you're not even an uncomfortable itch

OOOPS, I thought I was the only guy anywhere who picked up how you can taste nicotine in snatch! It's absolutely true. One night, I was eating a bearded clam and suddenly I realized I could taste the ladies' smoking habit in her cunt. I told her later and she got very pissed at me and would never see me again. I always wondered if she quit smoking.

DLux: yup. fraid so. The common ratio in most cultures is 5%, or less. In our culture, it's about 25% and rising. There's an interesting effect to note - those with the genetic predisposition to that state can overcome it through excessive use of canabis. It has to do with becoming accustomed to operating in a high alpha brain wave state on an ongoing basis. Ever seen what a die-hard pot smoker does when commercials pop up on the tube or radio? If they don't dial down physically, or just ignore ads, they evaluate production values, think of something related (ketchup ad... yeah, I could go for an orange), or something unrelated (green giant... wow, big green underwear, boxer or briefs or... ick, big green thong... no. bad place. wish it away, anthony. wish it under the corn field. yes. wish it away.) ... what they just about NEVER do is imprint the product.

Pianear, Kenwuud, Nakameechi...all examples of stereo-typos :)

Alterman just said something like "The point of murder is to kill people". What is he talking about??? There are all sorts of MOTIVES for murder

Trolls are not included in the list. Sorry.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:15 PM Post a comment

what do you base this list on?

BAH!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at January 17, 2005 08:14 PM

You've been much less obnoxious lately. Sorry.

Hey Eric Alterman, go fuck yourself. If you can't say flat out that the entire Iraq war is a war crime, you can kiss my left wing extremist ass. What a pompous jackass.

Sorry about not making the cut wardog. You might have a better chance with the top "Asswipe" list. Hang in there.

Janeane's right. Alterman will wait for "evidence" in the form of universal popular consensus.

Oh, he wants evidence before he weighs in. Unless it's Clinton then he's fine with speculation and gossip.

Trolls are not included in the list. Sorry.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:15 PM

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Amateurs only, Huh?

You need a Pro/Am list!

Is Alterman trying to make a case for TOTAL WAR here!?

I'd demand a recount!

Nobody is Stuffin the ballot box!

Posted by: War Dog at January 17, 2005 08:14 PM

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I am a TEN! Nyaa, nyaa, nya-nya, nyaa.

"I hate women who taste like ashtrays. :6 Always depressing to me when a beautiful lady, like Janeane, lights up.

Posted by: Coherence at January 17, 2005 08:05 PM

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I hate it too, when the men taste or smell this way. Its SO gross, and it is definitely a sign of trouble. If not stupididty, a sign of stubborness.

I also hate teh way their clothes smell. Like stale wet cigarettes.

Posted by: Meg at January 17, 2005 08:13 PM "

I think that if you look into JG's background you would find she used to quite regularly lure men into her web by her good looks then have them for lunch

okay, who are the fucking greatest americans who ever lived?

Peter USTINOV, was One-Quarter Ethiopian/"Abyssinian" Descent, one-quarter, ah-hem "Celtic," I mean "Hamitic," I mean IRISH, I mean One Quareters CATRHOLIOC, I mean USTINOV(Great raconteur and ACTOR!! Always mix him up somehow with FATTER Lad, ROBERT MORLEY, somehow) was One-Quarter Non-White, IE a SICILIAN Lad, was This 25% Moorish Lad, Peter MacUSTINOV, ... Me-Fellow "Non-White' IE "JewS In Germany" IE DEMICRATS and LIBERALS in GEORGE II's "America," ah-hem, yECCH!!

Eric Alterman sounds like a glib punk.

"I'm a historian, I need evidence.

That'll be a first.

"All wars are wars of choice."

Pearl Harbour (WWII) was no war of choice. Hitler's invasion of France didn't lead France into a "war of choice".

People.. people!

The topic of discussion here is geo-politics, not J's snatch!

Grow up.

Trolls are not included in the list. Sorry.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:15 PM Post a comment

what do you base this list on?

Posted by: lsd at January 17, 2005 08:17 PM

1. Time spent on blog

2. Arrogance

3. Obnoxiousness

4. Intolerance

5. Self-Righteousness

I thought I was the only guy anywhere who picked up how you can taste nicotine in snatch! It's absolutely true. One night, I was eating a bearded clam and suddenly I realized I could taste the ladies' smoking habit in her cunt. I told her later and she got very pissed at me and would never see me again.

Kinda like how all the ladies said that to you and you never thought you were the problem

Meg, can you taste the nicotine when you suck a guys ass who smokes?

Whoa! I never made to any list.

I was always picked last for sports.

I don't like being on lists, Sorry, I don't play well with others and I run with sissors.

some say the devil a mystical thing I say the devil he a walking man he a liar a conjurer and thief try to tell you what you want try to tell you need.

Heir to the Holocaust Prescott Bush, $1.5 million, and Auschwitz: how the Bush family wealth is linked to the holocaust ...if half of this is true i would call it criminal...http://www.clamormagazine.org/issues/14/feature3.shtml

If there was a god, Janeane & Eric would have this show. No Offense, Sam, but Eric "talks truth to the power" that is Janeane.

WallStreetUrinal.com - this domain is available!!!!

Eric is reducing 100,000 Iraqis killed (oh, and 1400 of our guys) to semantics. But he does have a point as Mass Murderer simply wins no arguments. We all need to find better more precise means of describing what is happening..

How about War Criminal?

Eris Alterman now has no credibility. The war would have been a crime if Clinton would have done it too.

"This is a war against terrorism, and Iraq is just one campaign. The Bush Administration is looking at this as a huge war zone," the former high-level intelligence official told me. "Next, we're going to have the Iranian campaign. We've declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah-we've got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism."

Seymour M. Hersh The New Yorker

I don't play well with others and I run with sissors.

Posted by: akaMAT at January 17, 2005 08:19 PM

Exactly why you made it. Congrats akaMAT.

Doc Johnson

Could we please refrain from the morning drive time talk and crude terms please? Thank you.

From now on if you need to refer to a man's penis please call it a "pipe". And I guess we could call a woman’s vagina a falafel. Hmmm, maybe not.

There is considerable evidence, on the contrary, that international terrorists are generally quite sane. Crenshaw (1981) has concluded from her studies that "the outstanding common characteristic of terrorists is their normality." This view is shared by a number of psychologists. For example, C.R. McCauley and M.E. Segal (1987) conclude in a review of the social psychology of terrorist groups that "the best documented generalization is negative; terrorists do not show any striking psychopathology." Heskin (1984) did not find members of the IRA to be emotionally disturbed. It seems clear that terrorists are extremely alienated from society, but alienation does not necessarily mean being mentally ill.

A fifth typology, for right-wing terrorists, is not listed because right-wing terrorists were not specifically designated as being a subject of this study. In any case, there does not appear to be any significant right-wing group on the U.S. Department of State's list of foreign terrorist organizations. Right-wing terrorists are discussed only briefly in this paper (see Attributes of Terrorists). This is not to minimize the threat of right-wing extremists in the United States, who clearly pose a significant terrorist threat to U.S. security, as demonstrated by the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995.

Alright, so's i needs more "SANKA," in my diet, eh, kids?!

I don't know if I could stand 5 nights of Eric. I love everything he believes in, but he is SO full of himself is disgusting.

Janeane, Eric is right. You undercut your credibility by making fantastic claims about Bush, such as that he's involved in organized crime, especially when there are so many verifiable charges that can be levelled. Expanding the hyperbole doesn't strengthen your argument; it merely makes you easier to dismiss or refute, and it shows your immaturity.

Exactly why you made it. Congrats akaMAT.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:21 PM

Thanks king of the asses!

I would assume you are the king since you are the one who created the list. : ]

1. Time spent on blog-------Moi?

2. Arrogance------I am above that.

3. Obnoxiousness-------Suck eggs, fishbreath.

4. Intolerance------See above.

5. Self-Righteousness-----God ain't on my side.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:19 PM

hpps

"A nation can survive its fools & even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation ; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague." Marcus Tullius Cicero, From a speech to the Roman Senate

"The common ratio in most cultures is 5%, or less. In our culture, it's about 25% and rising. There's an interesting effect to note..."

Well said, JIK

yer onna roll

Was O'Reilly really talking about Loofahs? Or was he talking about lafa bread, the kind you sometimes eat with felafels?

I wish Sam were back. I hate listening to Alterman play the apologist for war crimes. He's a tool.

Pearl Harbour (WWII) was no war of choice. Hitler's invasion of France didn't lead France into a "war of choice".

Posted by: I at January 17, 2005 08:19 PM

I agree with your sentiment, but you chose a couple of bad examples. France didn't actually 'fight' Hitler, the Vichy government were collaborators. Poland might be a better example.

As far as Pearl Harbour goes, there is a controversial counter-perspective to the commonly held myth that this attack was competely "OUT OF THE BLUE"!

You see, the US has an extremely aggressive and bloody history in the South Pacific. Check out the history of the invasion and occupation of the Phillipines. Also, Hawaii was a colony taken by the US as the result of a coup, that overthrew that nation's monarch.

That was followed by a rapid, and massive military buildup. To the Japanese this must have appeared extremely aggressive.

Another wonderful day in Iraq's march

towards what ever it is they're marching

towards, which some might think is

hell in a handbasket;

Archbishop abducted in Iraq

Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, was abducted from outside his church in the city.

The Vatican said in a statement that it deplored "in the firmest way such a terrorist act", and asked that the archbishop be freed immediately.

There have been a number of attacks on Iraq's Christian minority. Two churches were bombed in Mosul in December.

Escalating violence

The kidnapping came on a day of bloodshed across Iraq, less than two weeks ahead of general elections on 30 January.

Don't listen to Eric, Janeane. He must be mistaking you for one of his students! I agree with you. The Bushies are criminals and mass murderers. "Tell it like it is baby"!

hey crank why is the list listed backwards?

Isn't #1. suppose to come first?

I'm sooooo confused.

I just tuned in, so I don't know who this guy on the show is, but Janeane is absolutely right. A war of choice is simply murder. If you take action that you KNOW will kill innocent people, when you do NOT have to take such action, but take it anyway, that is murder.

If it's not, then NO war of agression is murder. And if that's the case, then the term "war of agression" becomes meaningless. Thus, all those pro-Iraqi invasion pundits and politicians who thought we were justified in attacking Iraq in part because "Saddam fought wars of aggression against Kuwait and Iran," were basing their view on "meaningless" terms.

By the way, we define murder as " The willful (nonnegligent) killing of one human being by another." So yes all wars are murder. And no, that does not make the term meaningless. Wars always have at least two sides, one of which, or both are the aggressors. In any case, the aggressors are the murderers. Not the defenders. The Pols were defending themselves against Nazi Germany before WWII. We defended ourselves against Japan. They Axis were the ones guilty of murder. The same applies to Bush and this Iraq war.

Cisco

... what they just about NEVER do is imprint the product.

Posted by: JIK at January 17, 2005 08:16 PM

unless it's kfc chicken strips slathered in honey bbq sauce. pretty much anything slathered is good, actually... brb.

Heh, and Alterman was calling Sontag 'too' conservative, and here he is defending Bush against obvious charges of war crimes in Iraq?

Posted by: JIK at January 17, 2005 08:16 PM

Ceee...rist...I thought I was the only one. Boy, that's a load off my psyche! *snark*

1. Time spent on blog-------Moi?

2. Arrogance------I am above that.

3. Obnoxiousness-------Suck eggs, fishbreath.

4. Intolerance------See above.

5. Self-Righteousness-----God ain't on my side.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:19 PM

Posted by: Crank Bait at January 17, 2005 08:23 PM

Your good sense of humor is what prevents you from making the top spots (See akaMAt's last post).

Terrorist groups are similar to religious sects or cults. They require total commitment by members; they often prohibit relations with outsiders, although this may not be the case with ethnic or separatist terrorist groups whose members are well integrated into the community; they regulate and sometimes ban sexual relations; they impose conformity; they seek cohesiveness through interdependence and mutual trust; and they attempt to brainwash individual members with their particular ideology. According to Harry C. Holloway, M.D., and Ann E. Norwood, M.D. (1997:417), the joining process for taking on the beliefs, codes, and cult of the terrorist group "involves an interaction between the psychological structure of the terrorist's personality and the ideological factors, group process, structural organization of the terrorist group and cell, and the sociocultural milieu of the group."

i am offended that king G has 1.5 million of Auschwitz blood money, that is criminal to me!

"I'm walking here!"

there SHOULD have been a CRACK-DOWN on The RIGHT-Wing "Militias"(Many of who were in MONTANA, etcetera, AGRI-Business HUGE Agri-WELFARE Recipients, who saw that lowered only a BIT under Clinton, so the ah-hem Montana "FREE-MAN," wanted to Rebel, or WHINE all over TAZLK RADIO, think, namely) in the Mid 1990's Onward after DEMON McVeigh's 4/19/1995 Oklahoma City Bombing Masss MURDER of 169 of "His" Fellow AMERICANS, But Clinton and Or Republican CONGRESS, did NOT wish to "Offend" Repubs, well ONE of their Main "Constituencies" of DIVOLVED ATAVISTIC Anti-AMERICAN Racist to their very CORE, "Militia" DEMONS in 1990's America(you know later to be the "Impeachment" TeamS of Serial WIFE-CHEATERS, in Republican, 'American" Congress, TRAITORS whining "Wag The Dog" and "No Wats for MONICA," whilst Billy MacCLINTON DID NEARLY KILL OFF INCUBUS DEMON, BIN LADEN, In August 1998 Missile StrikeS and On YES, His Bin Laden's CHEMICAL PRECURSOR(AS in WEAPONS, yeah!) PLant In STILL, BLACK African-Slave Holding Bastard "Land" of The SUDAN!!)

The next time we have a domestic terroist attack lets blow up Texas. There is about as much of a connection between Texas and terrorists as there is between IRAQ ( before we tried to occupy them) and terrorists. ( arn't Frisk and Delay both from texas ??)

Terrorist groups are similar to religious sects or cults.

Posted by: Nobody at January 17, 2005 08:28 PM

...or Amway.

Bush To Give Inaugural Address In Aramaic

White House speech writers confirmed that President Bush will give his inaugural address in Aramaic, the ancient language spoken by Jesus. Bush’s senior advisor, Karl Rove, said that the president is doing this to unite the nation.

“We had a divisive campaign and the president wanted to show that he’s reaching out to all Americans, except the heathens, by speaking the language of our lord and savior,” Rove explained.

Bush will also use coded biblical references in his address to make it clear to his evangelical supports that he believes Jesus supports partial privatization of Social Security as well as a cap on medical malpractice suits.

“The president will set the tone for his second term by offering an olive branch to Democrats. They’ll have a choice to agree to his policies without change or rot in burning hell for eternity,” Rove said.

Sam's honeymoon love-nest.

http://naid.sppsr.ucla.edu/ny64fair/map-docs/images/gm2.jpg

Your good sense of humor is what prevents you from making the top spots (See akaMAt's last post).

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:26 PM

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Humorous at last! Great god almighty, I am humorous at last!

Every group, according to Bion, has two opposing forces--a rare tendency to act in a fully cooperative, goal-directed, conflict-free manner to accomplish its stated purposes, and a stronger tendency to sabotage the stated goals. The latter tendency results in a group that defines itself in relation to the outside world and acts as if the only way it can survive is by fighting against or fleeing from the perceived enemy; a group that looks for direction to an omnipotent leader, to whom they subordinate their own independent judgment and act as if they do not have minds of their own; and a group that acts as if the group will bring forth a messiah who will rescue them and create a better world. Post believes that the terrorist group is the apotheosis of the sabotage tendency, regularly exhibiting all three of these symptoms.

I have to skoot on down the road.

BAH!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at January 17, 2005 08:14 PM

You've been much less obnoxious lately. Sorry.

Posted by: D.L at January 17, 2005 08:17 PM

Blow it out your ass, D.L.! :)

Eric Alterman is one those intellectuals that sits on his ass why someone else's child goes off to war. Don't advocate for war unless you are prepared to fight yourself Eric.

What a rotten co-host for Martin Luther King's birthday.

seems as if I'm describing the republican party doesn't it?

Peer pressure, group solidarity, and the psychology of group dynamics help to pressure an individual member to remain in the terrorist group. According to Post (1986), terrorists tend to submerge their own identities into the group, resulting in a kind of "group mind" and group moral code that requires unquestioned obedience to the group. As Crenshaw (1985) has observed, "The group, as selector and interpreter of ideology, is central." Group cohesion increases or decreases depending on the degree of outside danger facing the group.

MAT,

There is another list of unrelenting vegetarian animal protectorists.

You score all ten.

Not in Our Name Statement of Conscience: A statement of conscience against war and repression

http://www.notinourname.net/soc-jan05.htm

Eric is getting wrapped up in an semantics game. "Let's argue about the words and not the underlying concepts."

This falls under the "I have to be the smartest man in the room" game that some "intellectuals" like to play. One of the smartest people I know says, "I don't have to be the brightest light in the room, just the most reflective."

I don't disagree that Janeane would be more specific on here charges, but the approach Eric is using is kind of arrogant. But that is his method. He has to be alpha English world guy and when he "wins" the conversation he will go home thinking he converted Janeane but she will only remember arguing with him, not the way that she got a better understanding of the words we use to describe war, death and murder.

I'd Just Like To Say Hello To My Uncle!

A third technique is to minimize or ignore the actual suffering of the victims. As Bonnie Cordes (1987) points out, terrorists are able to insulate themselves from moral anxieties provoked by the results of their hit-and-run attacks, such as the use of time bombs, by usually not having to witness first-hand the carnage resulting from them, and by concerning themselves with the reactions of the authorities rather than with civilian casualties. Nevertheless, she notes that "Debates over the justification of violence, the types of targets, and the issue of indiscriminate versus discriminate killing are endemic to a terrorist group." Often, these internal debates result in schisms.

Inauguration Day Festivities:

http://www.black-thursday.com

Don't go to work. Don't buy anything.

"Eric is getting wrapped up in an semantics game. "Let's argue about the words and not the underlying concepts.""

Posted by: spocko at January 17, 2005 08:31 PM

Good observation Spocko

~they regulate and sometimes ban sexual relations; they impose conformity; they seek cohesiveness through interdependence and mutual trust; and they attempt to brainwash individual members with their particular ideology~

Posted by: Nobody at January 17, 2005 08:28 PM

Nobody, which group of fundi-evan-christians

are you talking about ?

"They were careless people, they smashed up things … then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they made." F. Scott Fitzgerald "The Great Gatsby"

The fourth technique of moral disengagement described by Bandura is to dehumanize victims or, in the case of Islamist groups, to refer to them as "the infidel." Italian and German militants justified violence by depersonalizing their victims as "tools of the system," "pigs," or "watch dogs." Psychologist Frederick Hacker (1996:162) points out that terrorists transform their victims into mere objects, for "terroristic thinking and practices reduce individuals to the status of puppets." Cordes, too, notes the role reversal played by terrorists in characterizing the enemy as the conspirator and oppressor and accusing it of state terrorism, while referring to themselves as "freedom fighters" or "revolutionaries." As Cordes explains, "Renaming themselves, their actions, their victims and their enemies accords the terrorist respectability."

I don't disagree that Janeane would be more specific on here charges, but the approach Eric is using is kind of arrogant. But that is his method. He has to be alpha English world guy and when he "wins" the conversation he will go home thinking he converted Janeane but she will only remember arguing with him, not the way that she got a better understanding of the words we use to describe war, death and murder.

Posted by: spocko at January 17, 2005 08:31 PM

I agree - having spokepeople like Alterman is why Bush is in office today.

I'll bet you Eric has a good seat at the inauguration waiting for him...

RATSO RIZZO, THE Ratso RIZZO?!

Mr. Alterman saying Clinton would've gone to war in Iraq (even if that is actually true) doesnt in any way excuse or justify the war in Iraq... even on a left wing radio show. And if your friends suported this war then YES your friends supported murder and war crimes... maybe you need to get to know your friends a little better.

I think it's fine to criticise EA here. But I am glad someone's standing up to JG.

Response to the3rdoption at January 17, 2005 08:26 PM:

Eric did not in any way defend Bush; he merely held back from casting unsubstantiated accusations. Apparently, to you asking for a little evidence of a crime is the same as defending the criminal. This is clearly an absence of CRITICAL THINKING, as Janeane is quick to point out.

I'd like to dedicate this song to Eric ..

It's an oldie, not even really a goodie, but Eric will understand what I'm trying to say. :)

Its a clear case, Herr Kommissar Cause all the children know They're all slidin' down into the valley They're all slipping on the same snow

Hear the children Don't turn around, oh oh Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh He's got the power And you're so weak And you're frustration will not let you speak

Don't turn around, oh oh Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh And if he talks to you Then you'll know why The more you live The faster you will die

Don't turn around, oh oh Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh

Photos from Sam's honeymoon hide-a-way

click here

Fred-

It is Frist and he is from Tennesee. Stop being so obvious.

JG please talk over Altreman. He talks too much.

no particular sect...just the republicans in general...they're running their party exactly like a terrorist organization...but such things have their drawbacks...

By using semantics to rationalize their terrorist violence, however, terrorists may create their own self-destructive psychological tensions. As David C. Rapoport (1971:42) explains:

All terrorists must deny the relevance of guilt and innocence, but in doing so they create an unbearable tension in their own souls, for they are in effect saying that a person is not a person.

Eric is getting wrapped up in an semantics game. "Let's argue about the words and not the underlying concepts."

Posted by: spocko at January 17, 2005 08:31 PM

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I often create this trap or am trapped within it.

It is a difficult trap to escape. To say "You are arguing semantics" is to evade the issue just as the opponent is.

Words are required to communicate. We must agree on meanings or all is lost.

if you were a christian, you would be killing an iraqi right now

"There once was a credulous people that wanted to believe in Santa Clause but Sant Claus was really the GAS MAN!" Gunther Grass

I really REALLY like Eric Alterman - he's a great person to have on...

if you want to understand the gonzales/gwb method of "christian training" start with a google search "bethel academy torture" .....

Photos from Sam's honeymoon. The Newlyweds taking in some shows!

click here

"The actions of terrorist organizations are based on a subjective interpretation of the world rather than objective reality."The variables from which their belief systems are formed include their political and social environments, cultural traditions, and the internal dynamics of their clandestine groups. Their convictions may seem irrational or delusional to society in general, but the terrorists may nevertheless act rationally in their commitment to acting on their convictions.

"We are not part of what you would call the "reality based community""

When this guy is praised he blushes.

Imagine if Eric got praised that way, "Why yes, yes I am."

I'm of the Jon Stewart mind set of, be a bit humble about your skills so you don't come across as a pompous douche bag.

References to the "Bush Crime Family " are becoming quite regular even in non AAR places. I would guess there are a lot of people listening to Malloy.

What the Republicans are doing might be considered to be competitive organized crime activity by the real gangsters.

One only has to read history to figure out how they would respond.

Can SMELL ALTERMAN's & SCHELL's Dual BUTT-SMOOCHIN,' all the way from here From Here!!(Down TAMPICO WAY!! Down, "GRAB-OIDS ALLEY," Kiddos!!)

Alterman really likes to hear himself talk.

"A nation can survive its fools & even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation ; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague." Marcus Tullius Cicero, From a speech to the Roman Senate

Posted by: paul at January 17, 2005 08:24 PM

Very nice....stolen & archived!

"Janeane, Eric is right. You undercut your credibility by making fantastic claims about Bush, such as that he's involved in organized crime..."

But let's see. He and his cronies are organized, and they commit crimes. I would think that is a definition of organized crime. They don't wear pin striped suits like the mafia, but they are syndicated in order to gain wealth illegaly.

if you were a christian, you would be killing an iraqi right now

Posted by: God at January 17, 2005 08:36 PM

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yeah, screw that jesus pacifism bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!

Top 11 known arrests/crimes by the family who would restore honor & dignity to the White House 11. Dick Cheney's first DWI. 10. George W. Bush's DWI. 9. Barbara Bush, minor in possesson of alcohol. 8. Jenna Bush, minor in possession of alcohol (3 times). 7. Dick Cheney's second DWI. 6. Laura Bush's vehicular homicide, record expunged. 5. George W. Bush's arrest for larceny (stealing a Christmas tree, really!). 4. Jeb's 24 year old daughter Noelle arrested for fraud at 1:15 am Walgreen's drive-thru in attempt to obtain prescription drugs. 3. Jeb's son George arrested for breaking into girlfriend's home and malicious destruction of property. 2. Jeb's other son John (Jebby) arrested for violating Florida sodomy law in a mall parking lot during days after 2000 election. 1. Jeb's wife for smuggling undeclared purchases into the United States (fined thousands). Bonus: 1. Dick Cheney's third DWI. 2. Whatever earned George W. Bush a one year sentence of community service in Houston. 3. Neil Bush fined for his "ethical disability" in Silverado savings and loan investigation. Cost to tax payers: 1 billion dollars (still paying interest), Cost to Bush: $0. The $50,000 fine was paid by a banking deregulation lobby.

Just finished watching episode 2 of Ingmar Bergman's Fanny and Alexander. Janeane's cool, but she's no match for Ingmar Bergman.

Most researchers agree that terrorists generally do not regard themselves as terrorists but rather as soldiers, liberators, martyrs, and legitimate fighters for noble social causes. Those terrorists who recognize that their actions are terroristic are so committed to their cause that they do not really care how they are viewed in the outside world.

Reagan saying he wanted to abolish nuclear weapons, while massively expanding the stockpile, is alot like Bush saying he wants to see a Palestinian state, while calling Sharon a "man of peace" while he continues Israel's aggression/collective punishment.

What percentage of Iraqis can be convinced by semantics that Bush's War isn't mass murder?

Someone press him against the blog, I'm going to set his taint hairs on fire.

**Eric did not in any way defend Bush; he merely held back from casting unsubstantiated accusations. Apparently, to you asking for a little evidence of a crime is the same as defending the criminal. This is clearly an absence of CRITICAL THINKING, as Janeane is quick to point out.**

Posted by: XanthanGum at January 17, 2005 08:35 PM

Evidence for a crime?!?! We have troops in Iraq killing Iraqis when they did not attack us. That's all the evidence we need. Again, if that is not prima facia evidence of a crime, a war crime, then no one has been guilty of a war of aggression. Not Saddam, not Hitler, no one.

No, the facts are self-evident. We invaded a country that posed no imminent threat to us, we have assulted civilian areas, we have killed innocent non-combatants. That is why wars of aggression violate international law. In the process you might kill innocent people the the pursuit of other objectives.

(Please re-read what I said in case you're about to be offended, I didn't say that neither Hitler nor Saddam were war criminals.)

D. L. AKA S Y N A

(D.) DAMN

(L.) LUNATIC

Ruthless pragmatist or dick head. You decide.

That was a smoking question, Mr Eric.

Is Sam back next week?

Cisco

Thank you.

Watch Eric, get into a "I'm smarter than you" match. Are you THAT insecure Eric?

Bush's Crimes

1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord. 2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that "the protocol is dead," at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence. 3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it. 4. April 2001, the US was not re-elected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244 million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.) 5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US). In October 2001 Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would keep US military personnel from obeying the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC. 6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South Korea against North Korea

And "WHAT" Really still lives, eh KIDS(Scared NOW, eya'?!) In The Incredibly NUTRITIOUS WATERS, of California's(Give California back to "Californios" to MEXICO, NOW that it's got a RETARDED, STEROID Addled NAZI, In "Charge"!!) ... In California's Great "SALTON SEA"?!(The CREATUERE That CHALLENGED THE "WOILD," SCHLOCKO FIFTIES "Movie" Classic, Starring Tim HOLT, he the TYounger Clean-Cut Adventurer-MINER in REAL MOVIE, BOGART's/HUSTON's "THE TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE")

Janeane, are you sure there's enough room in the studio for you and Alterman's ego?

Alterman likes to talk in a manner

which make his own discourse and arguments

he lone liberal voice, or should we say

the lone "valid" liberal voice, and

one that can be read on the web at the

fascist propaganda media brothel,

msnbc.

He seldom says; "... yes, I agree,

that is an excellent point ..."

How is George W. Bush a religious fanatic when he's never attended a church (voluntarily) in his life + has never even cracked a bible? No, "Dubya" is indeed a power-hungry, vain, thuggish son-of-a-rich man. I don't think religion really plays a part other than to fool + manipulate the masses (i.e., the bible-belt.)

Into my loneliness comes -/The sound of a flute in dim groves that haunt the uttermost hills./Even from the brave river they reach to the edge of the wilderness./And I behold Pan./The snows are eternal above, above -/And their perfume smokes upward into the nostrils of the stars./But what have I to do with these?/To me only the distant flute, the abiding vision of Pan.

--VII

Posted by: Cisco at January 17, 2005 08:25 PM

nicely said.

Ahhhhhh shut up Eric.

hola miss anne! how was your tea?

Someone press him against the blog, I'm going to set his taint hairs on fire.

Posted by: JIK at January 17, 2005 08:41 PM

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From the insane, sanity.

Don't turn around, oh oh Der Kommissar's in town, oh oh

Posted by: the3rdoption at January 17, 2005 08:35 PM

Do you know who did that song?

this is criminal to me... HERE IS HOW WE COULD HAVE BETTER SPENT $122.3 BN. INSTEAD OF ON FAILED WARS SOLD WITH LIES AND FEAR Still think nation building in Iraq was worth it? Well maybe…if you have ties to big oil and Halliburton! Sources: The numbers shown are based on cost of war projections made by MIT faculty at: www.costofwar.com. Using DOD stats and appropriation bills the cost of these wars is expected to reach $135 bn. on September 30, 2004. These are conservative estimates based on the occupation now costing $3.9 bn per month. To come up with a more precise dollar cost, one should add in another 40% to any total for interest because this is debt. The numbers shown above are current as of 7/04. You can find this flyer and others posted at: www. topplebush.com/flyers.shtml These flyers are available for free print out and distribution. “Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signals in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.” --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 4/16/53 1. 52.5 million children could have received health insurance for one year. 2. 17.3 million children could have attended a year of Head Start. 3. 2.3 million additional public school teachers could have been hired for one year. 4. 3.1 million students could have received 4-year scholarships at a public university. 5. 1.8 million additional housing units could have been built. 6. We could have funded global anti-hunger efforts for 5 years! 7. We could have funded world-wide AIDS programs for 12 years! 8. Every child in the world would have been ensured basic immunization for 40 years!

geez i'm glad these guys write

listening to them talk is torture!

NP Spocko. And I really have no respect for intellectuals that support murder, so he can come off as smart as he wants. But like some one else said, it's easy to support a war while safe and sound here at home. If you really believe in it, go fight it. And that's not an idle challenge. While Eric may be told old for the military proper, he could always go work as a mercenary or driver for Haliburton.

The3rdoption wrote:

" France didn't actually 'fight' Hitler, the Vichy government were collaborators. Poland might be a better example. "

They didn't win, but the French most definitely fought Hitler. General De Gaul became the leader of the Free French in England, and the French resistance was pretty effective in helping out the Normandy invasion. Why would you think that France didn't fight Germany? Even the Dutch fought Hitler (although the resistance only lasted 5 days).

Only the South of France came under "autonomy" by the collaborator Vichy. The rest of France fell under direct German command.

Anyone ever see the movie "Jesus of Montreal"?

It is a very interesting meditaion on "How would we treat Jesus if he were alive today saying the same things he said then right now."

It came out the same time as "The Last Temptation of Christ" but never got any of the protests. I asked the director why (at a film festival) he said, "It was a movie with subtitles, they figured no one would see it, so they didn't need to protest."

It is a really great film. It reminds you of just how radical Jesus' ideas really were.

geez i'm glad these guys write

listening to them talk is torture!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at January 17, 2005 08:47 PM

I noticed that about Matt Taibi. Great writer, but on the radio, nothing.

Do you know who did that song?

Posted by: BMS at January 17, 2005 08:47 PM

Falco

Should have watched episode 3 as well. Oh, well.

Janeane sounds like she's hopped up on Red Bull, again. That shit can be dangerous.

Eric sounds like he could use a couple of liters of the shit. Zzzz...

this is crimnal to me - Hourly wages fell for middle- and low-wage men and women (adjusted for inflation), making 2003 the worst year for wage growth over the 1998-2003 period. This happened in spite of the acceleration of gross domestic product (GDP) growth in late 2003. Meanwhile, the 27% climb in overall pay for CEOs exceeds the 11.5% rise in 2002 over 2001. Since 1990, average CEO pay has risen a total of 279%.

Steven Cohn-

Your claims are unsubstantiated. Bush reads the Bible everyday. You would be better off attacking something that at least makes sense.

Count II of the Nuremberg Indictment:

All the defendants with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8 May 1945, participated in the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances.

Gee, does this sound kind of familiar? Eric, you have some thoughts about this?

Is Seymour Hersh full of shit, or is the US planning to expand it's criminal aggression into Iran?

It's one or the other, and either would suck.

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Pentagon Faults Iran Raid Report

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Pentagon on Monday criticized a published report that said it was mounting reconnaissance missions inside Iran to identify potential nuclear and other targets. "The Iranian regime's apparent nuclear ambitions and its demonstrated support for terrorist organizations is a global challenge that deserves much more serious treatment than Seymour Hersh provides in the New Yorker article titled "The Coming Wars," the Pentagon's chief spokesman, Lawrence DiRita, said in a statement. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=7346834

Falco

Posted by: pezwaldo at January 17, 2005 08:50 PM

Oh yeah. The guy who did "Rock Me Amadeus." Thanks

read this shithole wingnut blog is very disturbing.....

http://www.nicedoggie.net/

here's a post from today.....

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That's it. Enough. I've had it.

Give the city of Mosul 24 hours notice. Then level it. Leave not one stone standing on another, and no human artifact bigger than a sandwich.

We've tried everything else. Now it's time to try a little fear therapy.

Oderint Dum Metuant! Posted by Francis W. Porretto at January 17, 2005 03:43 PM

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ALA "Actor" Fred WARD, in another SCHLOCK "Movie": "That ain't NO 'GRAB-OID!!'"

That's Eric ALTERMAN's HUGE MoutheS, all AGAPE, at all of us!! Let Miss Janie Talk!!(An' Smoke, "Candied Cigarettes"!)

Count II of the Nuremberg Indictment:

All the defendants with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding 8 May 1945, participated in the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances.

Gee, does this sound kind of familiar? Eric, you have some thoughts about this?

nicely said.

Posted by: anonymous no more! at January 17, 2005 08:45 PM

Thanks :)

ERIC ALTERMAN is one of many so-called 'progressive' opinion-makers, who have been rewarded by the power elite because he helps keep the left in check!!

Don't be duped by this guy.

I think Alterman dod defend Bush. I think he's trying to pull the majority report to the right. He thinks that he can get away with it because he acuses others of doing it to the broader media.

again if not criminal...needs to be voted out! THE FAILURES OF THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS TO HOLD THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR ABUSES OF POWER One of Congress' main constitutional responsibilities is to conduct oversight to check abuses of power by other branches of government. The following is a brief list of a report showing Republican leadership's four-year failure to conduct investigations into allegations of misconduct involving Bush Administration officials, including: 1. The role of the White House in promoting misleading intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and ties to al-Qaeda 2. The responsibility of senior Administration officials for the abuses at Abu Ghraib 3. The role of the Vice President's office in the award of Halliburton contracts 4. The role of the White House in withholding the Medicare cost estimates from Congress 5. The identity of the energy industry campaign contributors that met with the Vice President?s energy task force 6. The role of White House officials in leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent 7. The influence of industry lobbyists in writing EPA regulations 8. Allegations of conflicts of interest at multiple federal agencies and the White House and, 9. The role of Attorney General Ashcroft in illegal campaign finance activities. Minority Staff Committee On Government Reform. You can read the full text of this report in .pdf format by using the link below: http://democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20041001120136-07195.pdf This flyer is available for free download and distribution at: http://www.topplebush.com/flyers.shtml

This guest host is a really offputting presence,as he was when he subbed for Janeane--his braggingly repeating his credentials; his correctly grammar in a rude way; his attacking the current guest. He doesn't act like this when he's on Franken's show, if I recall correctly. He has an air of superiority when he's on "Air America" that are embarrassing to witness--he's like a little boy constantly having to prove himself.

While Eric may be told old for the military proper, he could always go work as a mercenary or driver for Haliburton.

Posted by: Cisco at January 17, 2005 08:49 PM

He could also go into some dangerous areas and report on it.

Ok kids, enough picking on the nerd with the speech impediment for being a jerk. Pick on his incredibly stilted and jaundiced views. Pick on him for thinking that being cynical is a substitute for being tough minded and kind hearted. Pick on him for being snarky and wrong at the same time. But don't pick on him for being effeminite, or for his cleft palate.

Steven Cohn-

Your claims are unsubstantiated. Bush reads the Bible everyday. You would be better off attacking something that at least makes sense.

Posted by: PFAWsucks at January 17, 2005 08:51 PM

And spotteth twice they the camels before the third hour. And so the Midianites went forth to Ram Gilead in Kadesh Bilgemath by Shor Ethra Regalion, to the house of Gash-Bil-Betheul-Bazda, he who brought the butter dish to Balshazar and the tent peg to the house of Rashomon, and there slew they the goats, yea, and placed they the bits in little pots. Here endeth the lesson.

eric please let the man talk. he has some good point to make.

I never went to graduate school...I never got laid in college, and I didn't want to go back and take a chance.

eric, you've taken over the discourse

Right yee be, JEFF!! Weren't no 'Grab-Oid," there, an MY beloved NephewS and NeiceS, ain't a GONNA be DRAFTED inta' some IRAN WAR(etcetera) NOW, for DILATANTES-DRAFT DODGERS in Showy-Vicious "Wolf-Pavks' Clothing:" Like JUNIOR george II, OR Mista' ALTERMAN-Feckless HACK, either!! SOMETHING's gota give to this "Ex" USMC "Garduate," ah-hem, "TimeS " a Gettin' "LATE" (MMe-BoS) as the BLACK American LadS used to say in their DEMOCRATIC GGHHETTOS Post GOOD PRINCELY(Of PEACE, Fools!) MLK, KING's MURDER by Govt. CONSPIRACY!!

Bush reads the Bible everyday.

Posted by: PFAWsucks at January 17, 2005 08:51 PM

True, he reads The Book of Kings everyday,

in hopes that one day he'll read it and

God will have written his name in.

WOW, i just heard Bill O'Reilly say that he would never come on air america "because they are all liars" this is a few minutes after he said that the reason the poverty rate is rising is because of out of wedlock births, and he started to say by blacks but he kinda backtracked and glided over it. then he goes on to say aljezeera shows pictures of us blowing up iraqi children but not the attacks that the "terrorist"

Great points on Bush's crimes and incompetence Paul. What more does he have to do (or not do) before this nation tosses his ass? And good point on the guest host too ;)

Right yee be, JEFF!! Weren't no 'Grab-Oid," there, an MY beloved NephewS and NeiceS, ain't a GONNA be DRAFTED inta' some IRAN WAR(etcetera) NOW, for DILATANTES-DRAFT DODGERS in Showy-Vicious "Wolf-Pavks' Clothing:" Like JUNIOR george II, OR Mista' ALTERMAN-Feckless HACK, either!! SOMETHING's gotta give to this "Ex" USMC "Graduate," ah-hem, "TimeS " a Gettin' "LATE" (Me-BoyoS) as the BLACK American LadS used to say in their DEMOCRATIC GGHHETTOS Post GOOD PRINCELY(Of PEACE, Fools!) MLK, KING's MURDER by Govt. CONSPIRACY!!

blah, blah, blah, when I was a grad student, blah, blah, blah, published paper, blah, blah, blah...

"Only the South of France came under "autonomy" by the collaborator Vichy. The rest of France fell under direct German command."

Posted by: I at January 17, 2005 08:49 PM

Yes, though there were some strong Nazi sympathies in France, the French underground fought the Nazis hard and had the support of the people. I studied French one summer from a Frenchman who fought in the underground in the Masive Central, in the souht of the country, Vichy France.

It is a really great film. It reminds you of just how radical Jesus' ideas really were.

Posted by: spocko at January 17, 2005 08:49 PM

Yes, I saw it. It was very good, and did very well at the festivals. The reason it escaped the protests is because it, despite it's success at Cannes etc, didn't get the press or the anywhere near the circulation as Scorcese's Last Temptation.

That French-Canadian filmmaker is the most successful, and high-profile, so it did get more play than most.

there is a huge difference between reading the bible and living your life as the man christ would,,,

Posted by: paul at January 17, 2005 08:58 PM

I think there's an old Christian saying;

The devil knows scripture, front to back.

They didn't win, but the French most definitely fought Hitler. General De Gaul became the leader of the Free French in England, and the French resistance was pretty effective in helping out the Normandy invasion. Why would you think that France didn't fight Germany? Even the Dutch fought Hitler (although the resistance only lasted 5 days).

Only the South of France came under "autonomy" by the collaborator Vichy. The rest of France fell under direct German command.

Posted by: I at January 17, 2005 08:49 PM

Yes, but my original point remains accurate. The French STATE did not make war against Germany during it's initial invasion.

i am more pissed at him sitting on blood money from aushwitz, and with a puffy chest boasts of his 10 thousand to the big wave people, he is a frat boy shit head

Jonathans ringing a bell every once in a while

but it appears both only see the surface of things.

Thoughts on Fiction-based Reality: Or Does the Future Stand a Chance? "According to Chas Freeman, former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia and head of the independent Middle East Policy Council, Mr. Bush recently asked Powell for his view on the progress of the war. ‘We're losing,' Mr. Powell was quoted as saying. Mr. Freeman said Mr. Bush then asked the secretary of state to leave."

Bush makes clear that all he wants are progress reports, where they exist, and those facts which seem to support his declared mission in Iraq… building democracy. ‘That's all he wants to hear about,' we have been told. So, ‘in' are the latest totals on school openings and ‘out' are reports from senior U.S. military commanders (and those intelligence experts still on the job) that they see an insurgency becoming increasing effective, and their projection that it will ‘just get worse.

He could also go into some dangerous areas and report on it.

Posted by: BMS at January 17, 2005 08:55 PM

Exactly. I thought about adding that, but he may actually have done so already. Of course, if he had, I'm sure we'd have heard about it...at least ten times already. ;)

there is a huge difference between reading the bible and living your life as the man christ would,,,

Posted by: paul at January 17, 2005 08:58 PM

Let us praise God.

Oh Lord...

Oooh you are so big...

So absolutely huge.

Gosh, we're all really impressed down here I can tell you.

Forgive Us, O Lord, for this dreadful toadying.

And barefaced flattery.

But you are so strong and, well, just so super.

Fan - tastic.

Amen.

dont you think its odd for such a christian man as Bush to never go to church? i live in DC and Clinton went every week, but i have heard of bush going only once since he has been in office. and for such a big cowboy, why do you never see pictures of him on his horse? cause he is scared of them and would instead rather cheerlead

CHRIST, yeah!!

I dunno I like the rough and tumble sort of discussion that Eric and John are hammering out...

New thread now!

there is a huge difference between reading the bible and living your life as the man christ would,,,

Posted by: paul at January 17, 2005 08:58 PM

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I think there's an old Christian saying;

The devil knows scripture, front to back.

Posted by: Ajax at January 17, 2005 09:00 PM ************************************************ i am more pissed at him sitting on blood money from aushwitz, and with a puffy chest boasts of his 10 thousand to the big wave people, he is a frat boy shit head

Posted by: paul at January 17, 2005 09:01 PM ************************************************

lol yes exactly Paul/Ajax

New thread now! Now!

i guess i got banned from nicedoggie.net...

...man, that didn't take long......

Boogety Boo !!!!

the right wants their view, their experience of the 60's to be the reality. today the 60's are viewed as the hippy, peace, antiwar movement aspect. that's what pops into most people's heads when you say "the 60's" and the right, who lived then, HATE that. they saw themselves as true Americans back then and the hippies as Commies. the right wants more than anything to have their experiences of the 60's to be the one truth. and that will never happen so they have spent the last 30 years making sure how they see the world becomes how joe q public remembers it. so the need to change the view of Viet Nam today is motivated by revenge and jealousy. the 2004 GOP convention was their Woodstock.

One huge difference between pearl harbor and Iraq.

Japan didnt kill randomly the bombed fighting men.

It appears america is slaughtering innocent people.

Edon was a slaughter house, thier is no such thing as a noble savage. Paradise found is paradise lost.

"English Opium Eater," Laddie, Boyo, do YOU gots me and my "Inner PSYCHE" Pegged!! Now, did you bring me-me "MEDS," Like I done TOLD Yas, "E.O. EATER," Ya "SWINE-SWILLING" Bloke of one of dem-dere' UNDERMENSCTEN(YEah NOT even Part IRISH-SCOTTISH-WELSH-CORWALLIAN-BRETON," Anglo-Saxon "ENGLISHER-MAN!" ah-hem, Lad!)!!

I hope that Willy is better than Eagles of Death Metal. Janeane's taste in music is questionable, at times.

They would not only erase and reqrite history they would do the same with us enmasse uf they thought they could get away with it

Bush DID rise to power with the help of Organized Crime

Hello????

What was ENRON???

Enron was Bush's #1 political supporter throughout his entire political career (until their pyramid scam disguised as a Fortune 100 company finallly collapsed of its own weight.) Enron & its top execs gave more money than any other group to Bush's two campaign's for governor + his first presidential campaign + the 2000 recount + his 2000 inauguration. They bought his presidency!

Then, we learned that they had cooked the books to inflate share price to increase top exec's multi-million dollar bonuses, all the while hiding huge losses from regulators. We also know now that they committed fraud in California to drive up power rates by shifting power back & forth to various shell companies that Enron secretly controlled. This led to many unnecessary blackout in CA. We also know now that Bush & Cheney aided them in covering up Enron's fraud in CA. Bush & Cheney, at minimum, are accessories after the fact to the Enron Frud coverup in CA.

Now, some might argue that though Enron did commit crime through highly organized conspiracies to commit fraud they are technically NOT "organized crime" in the same sense as the mafia - because, as far as we know, they didn't threaten or kill anyone or burn down anyone's business etc.

IMHO, this is a distinction without a meaningful difference. Enron simply did it better than the mob (i.e. made more money, had better lawyers, did a better job covering their tracks)! They made legal contributions to buy elected officials (which all big companies do today) but Enron did it more than anyone & they committed more creative accounting & corporate fraud than anyone.

Consequently their top people made more money than the mafia could ever dream of!

Furthermore, Bush does use mafia-style tactics to enforce loyalty, as Janeane mentioned. And, their kickbacks to wealthy contributors like Halliburtion through no-bid cost-plus contracts valued at a minimum of $12 billion in profits is right out of the mafia handbook too (quite a return on Halliburton's original investment in Bush/Cheney, no?). Yet, again it is graft & corruption on a level that th

Amen.

Posted by: Headmaster at January 17, 2005 09:01 PM

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I love vicious satire.

Osmen-I think I meet your approval.

never understood the Crowley segment, but oh well. by the way, did they skip the Ozzy intro?

hey! I'm from lawrence!

u gotter N

....well...i just drilled two holes in a nice piece of bamboo... an' i feels like the 60's here in the woods

I'm listening to the last Tom Waits album "Real Gone" right now, and it's really FuNky. I always get more out of his songs when I read the words along with it, because sometimes you have to pay close attention to tha' funky stuff he's saying, baby....

thousands of years of war, oddly enough ppl. have a tough time remembering the lessons of vietnam. we'll get it eventually, i'm sure.

Did Even ONE of your Family ANCESTORS, ever appear in such SCHLOCK ENGLISH, "MOVIES," like "GORGO," or "KONGA! The GIANT APE!" or "The GIANT BEHEMOTH," Laddie?! Well then yeee see just "How" it BE, Boyo?! You ain't no real DESCENDENT OF English "ROYALTY," Lad!!(Now Bill MacSHAKESPEARE, or one of them there "Celtic" GWYNNE or Forsythe CLANS real ACTING Clans in yer family TREE and then I'll re-consider, "EOEater," Englisher- "MONKEY"!!

"Yes, but my original point remains accurate. The French STATE did not make war against Germany during it's initial invasion."

Posted by: the3rdoption at January 17, 2005 09:01 PM

The French, like Britan declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland, honering thier treaty. They, like all the rest did nothing before that invation.

Check out Lucky Dube (Doo-Bay) he has got some great anti-war reggae music

read my lips: no new thread!

JG -- what about Punk Rock?

"blah, blah, blah, when I was a grad student, blah, blah, blah, published paper, blah, blah, blah... Posted by: pezwaldo at January 17, 2005 08:58 PM"

Ha, exactly! LOL!

They shouldn't equate Clinton with the 1960's. Clinton just showed up at anti-war rallies to get laid. Clinton bombed Iraq, and Kosovo was a pre-emptive war as well. Not as outlandish as Bush's one, but, essentially, it's the same thing.

Furthermore, Bush does use mafia-style tactics to enforce loyalty, as Janeane mentioned.

Posted by: spurious_george_the_chimp at January 17, 2005 09:09 PM

Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But uh, until that day, accept this justice as a gift on my daughter's wedding day.

"Not that I can think of." Republican Congressional Whip Tom Delay, when asked whether there were any federal regulations he would choose to keep, March 3, 1995.

Neil Young at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Awards 03/10/03:

"We're having a good time tonight but we're going to kill a lot of people next week. So let's not forget about that. I don't want to ruin this but it's too real not to mention it. And music used to be about this. And it still is about this, it's a human thing. And these are human beings over there and we're making a big mistake. I feel like I'm riding in a giant gas guzzling SUV and the driver's drunk as a fucking skunk. He's drunk on power."

Ernie Pyle, the famed World War II correspondent, wrote of his eagerness to get to the front: ''I want to get close enough just a couple of times to get good and scared.''

Years later, after he was killed, someone found a draft of a column written for V-E Day. There was not much glory left. It read, in part: ''Dead men by mass production -- in one country after another -- month after month and year after year. Dead men in winter and dead men in summer. . . . To you at home they are columns of figures, or he is a near one who went away and just didn't come back. . . . We saw him. Saw him by the multiple thousands. That's the difference.''

Are we erasing the difference? The better to see war?