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phungus? ... what the!?! ... I thought you were over in Iraq fighting freedom or something.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 12:58 AM

here's to nik e:

penispenispenispenispenispenispenispenispenischubby.

how's that?

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 12:58 AM

TYPO!!!

- Magna Charta, signed by the King in 1225 A.D., -

1215, is correct.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:00 AM

how's that?
Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 12:58 AM

Great! Thanks Catherine!

... is it just me ... or did the font just get all bold and shit?

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:00 AM

>>do you have a chubby right now?

have a chubby, honey, I am one!

like Ed Helms said on last night's Daily show; "I can keep an erection for 91-0 days."

reminds me of the warning on the cialis ad:

CIALIS is not for everyone. If you take nitrates, often used for chest pain (also known as angina), or alpha-blockers (other than Flomax 0.4 mg once daily), prescribed for prostate problems or high blood pressure, do not take CIALIS. Such combinations could cause a sudden, unsafe drop in blood pressure. Don't drink alcohol in excess (to a level of intoxication) with CIALIS. This combination may increase your chances of getting dizzy or lowering your blood pressure. CIALIS does not protect a man or his partner from sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The most common side effects with CIALIS were headache and upset stomach. Backache and muscle ache were also reported, sometimes with delayed onset. Most men weren't bothered by the side effects enough to stop taking CIALIS. Although a rare occurrence, men who experience an erection for more than 4 hours (priapism) should seek immediate medical attention

http://www.cialis.com/anon/index.jsp

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:01 AM

Pablo you are right about America and the Israel. But you forgot Great Britain. It was their imperialism that created the mess in the first place. No matter how Israel justifies its actions, it was created on stolen land, just like America. And like it or not it is a racist apartheid country, just like America. It supported the racist regime of South Africa just like good old America.

As it has been said, "it is not Anti semetic to tell the truth".

There is a security memorandum made available under the FOI. It is called National Security Council Memorandum #46. You can just google it.

It reveals what America was planning to do with its Black Citizens in order to protect the racist regime of South Africa and Israel.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 15, 2004 01:01 AM

I assume you mean me ... I was keeping it going until I could work in a "penis" reference. That is Nik's patented way of ending a discussion ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 12:46 AM

Hey, Nikky:

Prrbffffffft!

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 01:02 AM

THIS IS VERY SCARY, AND NOT JUST A BLUE-DRESS KIND OF SCARY --
Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 12:57 AM

Very interesting ... so, you are saying that Bush didn't just bumble into being evil ... he planned it and followed thru? ... Seems pretty thin ... then again ... its possible that the people with their hands up his ass (the ones that make his lips move) could have had some sort of plan for it ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:03 AM

~~~ I think Sam said something about the death
and distruction in Iraq tonight so did
Crowley, he mentioned how the Iraq power
grid got whacked today. ~~~

I know... and that's undeniably helpful. I concentrate on US Soldier deaths because...

1) It's something Americans evidently take interest in, when spoon fed. That interest is very harmful to the Bush campaign, whereas Iraqi deaths seem to have had less or no effect.

2) I'm beyond it seeming crass when I bring it up. If it hurts Bush, I'm gonna bring it up. The less time Bush is in office, the fewer soldiers will die. I can say this with much more certainty than Cheney's claim that a Kerry win will bring about terror Stateside. My point has a track record... data... Cheney's is something less than vaporous conjecture.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:03 AM

>>I have not much knowledge of history. I have no expertise in the politics of the MidEast. But, I am pretty well schooled in law. And I have great sensitivity to the abusive ways so-called Christians have so utterly mis-spoken the teachings of Christ.

So, Do you think Jesus has a case? Christ vs The Christians?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:04 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:06 AM

The simple fact remains that the US Soldier death count in Iraq increased by 10 and either no media outlets or very few covered it. For our side, this is lunacy.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:06 AM

"A little bit. Then again, I get encouraged by things like the anti-gay Marriage ammendment not getting off the ground."

It's a bit like those on the right who say you can't difinitively prove that global warming is happening so don't worry about it. Well, if it is happenig, and we don't do anything about it, we're screwed. In matters, one must ere on the side of causion. Remember, it took the largest allience and bloodiest war the world has ever seen to up root fascism. The Italians, the Germans couldn't do it. Now who will help us. Our military is larger than the rest of the world's COMBINDED!

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:07 AM

Hi dr! ... have you had a 4hr stiffy before? ... seems to me I sported wood for the majority of my jr. year in high school ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:07 AM

Was John Kerry A.W.O.L?
Written by Michael Ashbury
Tuesday, September 14, 2004

For the past year, and most recently by CBS News, we have been deluged with reports that George W. Bush did not complete his agreed duty in the Texas National Guard. He was AWOL!

But even the records show that George Bush exceeded his obligations from 1968-1973, and only came into question during the last 18 months of his agreed obligation when he requested and received official permission to transfer to an Alabama unit and then enroll in an MBA program at Harvard. His obligation was for six years from May, 1968, to May, 1974. He received an educational release from his obligation eight months early and received an Honorable Discharge in October, 1973.

While leftists question where George Bush was during the final year of his obligation, they and the press ignore completely the similar obligations of John Kerry. John Kerry enlisted in the Navy and signed an Officer Candidate Agreement on February 18, 1966. This agreement called for the candidate to

Par 3 - to serve a total period of 6 years in the Naval Reserve of the United States, including active and inactive duty.

Par 4 - agrees that on completion of active duty, he will remain for Service in the Ready Reserve for a period which when added to his active duty will total 5 years. Upon completion of 5 years of satisfactory service on active duty and in the Ready Reserve he will be eligible to transfer to the Standby Reserve for the remaining portion of his service obligation.

Par 5 - the candidate understands that the provisions of law require satisfactory participation in the Ready Reserve, unless relieved of such participation by competent authority or as provided by law. Such participation may be satisfied annually by not less 48 drills and not more than 17days active duty for training.

Lt. John Forbes Kerry was released from active duty and transferred to the Naval Reserve on January 3, 1970. He wasn’t transferred to inactive standby status until July 1, 1972, then Honorably Discharged on February 16, 1978. Where was Lt K

Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:09 AM

>>whereas Iraqi deaths seem to have had less or no effect.

Could be we look at their deaths a the price of their liberation?

Of maybe we suspect they were `bad Iraqis' and deserved to die?

or, we just don't care

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:11 AM

http://www.american-buddha.com/memo.46.htm

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:13 AM

So, Do you think Jesus has a case? Christ vs The Christians?

Posted by: chubby_bubba
+++++++++++++++++++++++
It shakes me so badly, I suspect, because of the mass hypnosis aspect and the mass media aspect. But, in the context of the two millenia since the crucifixion, this age is probably not much different than any other. There have probably always been many more people laying claim to Christianity than those who actually practice Christianity. The charlatans just seem to have a much greater circle of influence in the world, and they are armed with weaons of mass destruction - and all that scares me. But I am not Jesus' spokesperson.

... maybe get in touch with somebody over at CAA, I think they might handle Jesus these days:

http://www.caa.com/

:)

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:14 AM

February 16, 1978. Where was Lt K
Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:09 AM

Quoting an editorial by some right wing nut job (such as yourself) pulls about as much weight around here as a republican trying out for porn (no small peckers need apply)

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:14 AM

The Italians, the Germans couldn't do it. Now who will help us. Our military is larger than the rest of the world's COMBINDED!

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:07 AM

________________________
how bout the rest of the world's mililtary's and those of us who percieve that Bush
is a dictator? The numbers will increase as time
goes on. Not everyone in the military is a muttonhead, altho at times I wonder.

I am not advocating war, btw

Positive outlook is good and effective, tho

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:15 AM

//
~~~ I think Sam said something about the death
and distruction in Iraq tonight so did
Crowley, he mentioned how the Iraq power
grid got whacked today. ~~~

I know... and that's undeniably helpful. I concentrate on US Soldier deaths because...

1) It's something Americans evidently take interest in, when spoon fed. That interest is very harmful to the Bush campaign, whereas Iraqi deaths seem to have had less or no effect.

2) I'm beyond it seeming crass when I bring it up. If it hurts Bush, I'm gonna bring it up. The less time Bush is in office, the fewer soldiers will die. I can say this with much more certainty than Cheney's claim that a Kerry win will bring about terror Stateside. My point has a track record... data... Cheney's is something less than vaporous conjecture.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:03 AM
//

It is the job of soldiers to potentially give their life in defense of their country. No one wants to see it (well, except perhaps you if it "hurts Bush"?). You seem to have 'soldier' and 'librarian' mixed up. Maybe that wikipedia can help you with that.

Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:15 AM

The simple fact remains that the US Soldier death count in Iraq increased by 10 and either no media outlets or very few covered it. For our side, this is lunacy.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:06 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dead boys = good for Kerry?

Live boys = bad for Kerry!

Need more dead boys!

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:16 AM

For W@W, with love:

"Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review ... any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government ... by reason of that element’s or officer’s acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."

-- Constitutional Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3799)

"Shiva has eight forms: Rudra, Sharva, Bhava, Ugra, Bhima, Pashupati, Ishana, and Mahadeva, which, according to the Shiva Purana, correspond to the earth, water, fire, wind, sky, a yogi called Kshetragya, the sun, and the moon respectively."

-- http://1stholistic.com/Prayer/Hindu/hol_Hindu-Shiva.htm

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:16 AM

Quoting an editorial by some right wing nut job (such as yourself) pulls about as much weight around here as a republican trying out for porn (no small peckers need apply)

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:14 AM

I think it's more a matter of the topic been beaten to death. Enough with 35 year old war records.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:17 AM

But I am not Jesus' spokesperson.
:)
Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:14 AM

yeah, If jesus were around ... he'd be on the outs with establishment, tirelessly helping the poor. opening minds where ever he went, practicing patience, peace, compassion ... all sorts of anti-american stuff like that ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:17 AM

This says a lot about Kerry.

--
Soldier who lost arm in Iraq re-enlists
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. -- A reservist who lost his right arm in a roadside bombing in Iraq re-enlisted in the Army on the same day he received a Bronze Star for his service.

Sgt. Chuck Bartles, 26, raised his prosthetic right arm with his left hand as he took an oath Thursday during a re-enlistment ceremony at the Airborne & Special Operations Museum.

Bartles was injured when his vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb last year. One soldier died and two others were injured in the attack. Bartles' right arm was shattered and had to be removed above the elbow.

"I'm not bitter at all," he said. "I've been in the military my whole adult life, and I really enjoy it."

Amputees are usually given medical discharges, but Bartles twice appealed to officials at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Satisfied that he could perform his duties, they agreed to let him re-enlist.

Bartles' commander visited him at a hospital in Iraq the day after his amputation and praised his positive attitude.

"He was already talking about learning how to shoot left-handed because he didn't want to miss the deer season," said Lt. Col. James Suriano, commander of the 418th Civil Affairs Battalion.

Bartles, who is studying Russian and Eastern European studies at the University of Kansas at Lawrence, has been in the military reserves for eight years. He began in the Marines but switched to the Army three years ago to pursue language studies.

Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:18 AM

I think it's more a matter of the topic been beaten to death.
Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:17 AM

Are you talkin about politics or penises? ... well I suppose they both get flogged pretty hard ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:19 AM

Another argument our local illumnati presented me during our coffee / conference table debate this morning (I'm the only Democrat against 11 Republicans all of us males) --

"If we pull our troops from Iraq now, those 1015 will have died for nothing."

Confronted with with such superior logic, I stood up, threw each of them the bird... keeping focused on each opponent's face long enough that I was certain that they had seen it and that each knew it was for him individually. I then left the room. This may seem brash or even foolhardy on my part, Its not. We're all oilfield trash and such gestures are seen as high humor.

I think a couple of them, probably the ones who have read an entire book sometime within their lives up until now, respect my courage. Not enough to vote for Kerry but perhaps enough to just stay home on November 3rd. We're in Wyoming so its all for naught anyhow.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:19 AM

evening folks,

been on the phone a lot

distributing cd's and yakkin

bush vs kerry fer hours

with a fair amount

of success. we

have til oct

12th to reg.

peeps in Ore.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 01:19 AM

Some Good News:

County Legislature set to vote on Patriot Act resolution

By SUSAN ELAN

The Westchester County Board of Legislators is scheduled to vote tonight on whether to join 352 cities and counties and four states in calling for repeal of provisions of the USA Patriot Act.

The local resolution, initiated 17 months ago by the Westchester Bill of Rights Defense Campaign made up of 40 civic and religious organizations, calls on President Bush and Congress to revoke sections of the law that "unnecessarily violate individual freedoms and rights, are not essential to the safety and security of our people and do not require a judicial warrant to be issued."...

read entire article here:
http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/091404/b08p14patriot.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:20 AM

>>It is the job of soldiers to potentially give their life in defense of their country.

Yes, but we haven't had a US service man killed trulky defending his country since WWII.

All the recent wars are ones against governments that posed no true threat to us.

Remember: The much hyped "domino-effect" NEVER HAPPENED!!!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:21 AM

Are you talkin about politics or penises? ... well I suppose they both get flogged pretty hard ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:19 AM

I have a black belt in the later.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:21 AM

- Seems pretty thin -

No, no, Nik E. Poo, I am not making a cult-of-personality over GWB, a person who - needless to say - doesn't appear altogether bright to me.

However, the whole sick cabal in charge today finds Law to be repugnant, and a limitation of their ultimate power. They have torn down the constitutioinal, statutory, and international laws to suit their need for power. I suspect more will come in a second term.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:21 AM

Hi dr! ... have you had a 4hr stiffy before? ... seems to me I sported wood for the majority of my jr. year in high school ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:07 AM

____________

Sure, junior high is one long sequence of concealing an unwitting and unfortunate public boner, but 4-hours continuously?

The long slog? Hell, that ain't no fun nomores, that's work, goin' four hours continuous. I like the tantric retaining-the-seed extenda-play as well as the next yahoo, but four hours would make me feel like I'm punching the company clock and I oughta be bringing me a timecard to the jobsite.

But maybe I'm coming late to the party (har, har, pun), and that's just the way kids does it these days.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 01:22 AM

Quoting an editorial by some right wing nut job (such as yourself) pulls about as much weight around here as a republican trying out for porn (no small peckers need apply)

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:14 AM

Ooooh........! You are so right. Let's get intellectual about it and start talking Freudian... Those Republicans... we all know that they act that way for a reason... sometimes it really just does all come down to a small peepee. (Hee hee.)

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:22 AM

Good soldiers obey orders. The quality of the orders casts no shadow, nor light upon the quality of the soldier.

Phungus, that young man says more about Bush's idiocy than anything else.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:23 AM

Hi Jimmy!

I bet Oregon is not that hard of a sell-
am i right?

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:23 AM

We're in Wyoming so its all for naught anyhow.
Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:19 AM

I noticed in the state polling page that Utah has Wyoming beat for Bush support ... Here I thought NoDak was bad w/34% voting dem ... in Utah its 24%! ... holy crap! ...

And fish, your little episode has been played out by me in my little town too ... I've gotten to almost enjoy wading into a bar full of Republicans ordering a beer and heckling Fox.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:24 AM

eya FG

been following the discussion

i approach it differently

whaen i get the same

arguement! first of

all the rest of

the world thinks

were insane, we need

to gain some face and quick!

changing our attitude towards

other races and countries will help.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 01:24 AM

"I like the tantric retaining-the-seed extenda-play as well as the next yahoo"

Who was it who said that the 8-hour loving-making sessions he used to brag about actually included dinner, a movie, and hours of begging?

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:25 AM

"how bout the rest of the world's mililtary's and those of us who percieve that Bush
is a dictator? The numbers will increase as time
goes on. Not everyone in the military is a muttonhead, altho at times I wonder.

I am not advocating war, btw

Positive outlook is good and effective, tho"

I guess I am saying: "An onze of prevention is worth a pound of cure". (Or is it "a pound of flesh")? It is extreemly difficult to extinguis Fascism once it takes hold. My oppimism is hygh. Never have I ever seen the left and center so motivated. When I see a poll not good for Kerry, I just fight harder.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:25 AM

Kay you guys are gonna kick my ass for this
one, but I think it is good:

When I was eighteen I knew that the left is generally deceived. It required a few years to find out what the core delusion was but many years to appreciate how radical is the lie they believe and why it leads to so much deception. The idealism of the left is based upon the romantic delusion that "progress" is inevitable and is leading us to a future utopia. Utopia is a romantic fantasy of a perfect future secular society on earth built by man with God left out. The cruel delusion of utopia is responsible for many of the twentieth century disasters such as brutal dictatorships, major wars, countless atrocities, and destructive revolutionary movements.

Why is utopia a false hope? Original sin. We are born contaminated by the nature of sin. All parts of our human nature are infected and corrupted. Such beings are constitutionally incapable of utopia. Yet, against all reason, experience and common sense many hope for an impossible utopia. Perhaps utopia is a substitute for heaven in a post Christian secular society...

from Utopia: The perpetual delusion of the Left
by Fred Hutchison

read entire article here (and check out sexy Fred)
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/hutchison/040914

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:27 AM

I suspect more will come in a second term.
Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:21 AM

I used to hate lawyers ... mostly due to my shithead brother-in-law and general portrayal by the press ... then it occurred to me that the reason lawyers are so hated and feared is because they wield power. I think that also explains why the neo-fascist Bush team wants to erode the legitimacy of the rule of law ... they attack "frivolous lawsuits", trial lawyers is used as a dirty word ... and as you say ... contempt for the constitution ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:28 AM

I guess I am saying: "An onze of prevention is worth a pound of cure". (Or is it "a pound of flesh")? It is extreemly difficult to extinguis Fascism once it takes hold. My oppimism is hygh. Never have I ever seen the left and center so motivated. When I see a poll not good for Kerry, I just fight harder.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:25 AM

:)
Why not get a nic, too?

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:29 AM

NEW REPORT SHOWS BUSH INCREASING GOVERNMENT SECRECY

President Bush has said that he wants to "create a culture of
transparency"[1] in government, but according to a new report to be released
today by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), his administration is going to
extraordinary lengths to increase government secrecy.

The Waxman report is consistent with earlier signs that the Bush
administration is doing everything it can to limit the amount of information
the public can get from its government. Last month, a coalition of 30
organizations issued a report saying "Secrecy has increased dramatically in
recent years under the policies of the current administration." The report
found that "the number of documents being classified has jumped 40 percent
from 2001" and that the number of documents declassified in 2003 was about
one fifth the amount declasssified in 1997. The result "is an increasing
backlog of requests filed under the Freedom of Information Act."[2]

To find Waxman's full report see both his personal office website,[3] and
the House Government Reform Committee's Minority website[4] today.

Sources:

1. "President Bush Remarks at Summit of the Americas Ceremony,"
WhiteHouse.gov, 1/12/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1192889&l=55435.
2. "White House takes secrecy to new levels, coalition reports," San
Francisco Chronicle, 8/27/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1192889&l=55436.
3. Website of Representative Henry Waxman, 9/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1192889&l=55437.
4. Government Reform Minority Office Website, 9/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1192889&l=55438.

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:31 AM

Why is utopia a false hope? Original sin. We are born contaminated by the nature of sin. All parts of our human nature are infected and corrupted. Such beings are constitutionally incapable of utopia. Yet, against all reason, experience and common sense many hope for an impossible utopia.
Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:27 AM

Schopenhauer pretty much says the same thing.
You shouldn't be so concerned with happiness as with freedom from pain.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:31 AM

Jim, these guys are just beyond grunts, whistles and wild arm movements as modes of effective communication. Even while arguing verbally I can see them visibly stifle chest thumps and violent chin bobs.

The flavor of one's debate means less in these settings than its temperature served.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:31 AM

It's time:
http://www.juancole.com/

Posted by: Cat Chew at September 15, 2004 01:32 AM

read entire article here (and check out sexy Fred)
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/hutchison/040914

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:27 AM

okay, never mind
i just read the whole article and i don't like it

sorry!

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:32 AM

>>This says a lot about Kerry.

It said NOTHING about Kerry.

I once met a guy who after being being discharged for medical reasons* who after he could not re-enlist, tried multiple times to book flight to Saigon so he could return to the war.

This variant of Stockholm syndrom isn't surprizing.

*he was severly wounded in action, his buddy was taking him to evac and was killed by a hand genade. When the mix-up was discovered he was given the medical.

There's more to the story...let's just say he was never really the same, but he has gotten much better.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:32 AM

- Utopia: The perpetual delusion of the Left -

Oh! Puhleeze!

Ninety-eight years passed between 1866 (when the 14th Amendment was passed by Congress granting full citizenship to African Americans, and giving the Federal government the responsibility to protect equal rights under the law to all American citizens), and the Voting Rights Act of 1964.

I'm not looking for Utopia. A little progress is nice, indeed.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:33 AM

Ilo:

I understand that you are discomfitted by no-nics, and that you mentioned me by name as bothersome for posting no-nic on occasion (no worries, no offense taken).

Allow me to say that I prefer that people use a nick. However, I use a no-nic, on occasion, for two reasons.

When I am posting news links, I find that I get into less conversations, arguments and punning around. It's easier.

And second, I believe no-nics should have the right to post, unlike some who object to no-nics and feel they should be banned. (For what it's worth, I also don't believe so-called "trolls" should be banned, unless they are repeatedly abusive and/or incorrigibly inconsiderate.)

I suspect, tho' I have no way of proving it, that many start by using a no-nic and eventually adopt a nic.

And yes, I am fully aware of all the confusion that sometimes ensues from multiple no-nics (though you can choose not to engage them; it's like turning off an objectionable TV station), and also that some no-nics say things they ordinarily might not otherwise, becoming emboldened by their anonymity.

For all that, tho', I believe it wrong to stifle or suppress the timid. So I post no-nic on occasion to stick up for the contemptible no-nic. Many here wish to bully no-nics and call them cowards, and sometimes this is true, but sometimes it is not. Sometimes no-nics have very real gifts to offer.

I guess I pull for the underdog in this case. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I persist nonetheless.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 01:35 AM

//
>>It is the job of soldiers to potentially give their life in defense of their country.

Yes, but we haven't had a US service man killed trulky defending his country since WWII.

All the recent wars are ones against governments that posed no true threat to us.

Remember: The much hyped "domino-effect" NEVER HAPPENED!!!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:21 AM
//

Oh gosh, you are so right. You have crystalized it.

Hell. Even those that died in WW2 died in vain. There was no true threat. At all. Germany was not a threat to us. There were no Nazis running around our streets, well, except in NYC. Pearl Harbor was an accident. September the 11th was also a horrible accident. The brave men and women serving now against Islamofascists are not defending our country at all. They are just sucking the government coffers dry. Coffers better off spent giving crack whores and idiots $30/hr jobs.

Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:36 AM

"Why not get a nic, too?"

Conbo, I intend to, but I have to get my extra email address worked out first. I don't want to use my primary email address. I'm lazy, But I do intend to.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:37 AM

Conbo ~ I don't think that the left has that illusion of Utopia ... I don't. Do you? Sure there are a few, particularly a long while ago. But for the most part, the premise is a myth... just like the one that there are all these poor people taking advantage of "the system" and living high on the hog off welfare... it's b.s.

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:37 AM

Ironically, Schopenhauer felt the best form of government is a monarchy. He saw the weakness in republics is that there is too much infighting among those trying to maintain and increase their power; whereas, the king's power was so secure that he could choose the best people for each job, without the fear of losing his own.

"Even the solar system is a monarchy", he said.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:37 AM

Hey no nic... you don't need an email address

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:39 AM

The DJs (mallory and campy) from the pop radio station's morning show(WGTZ Z-93) said they would give a prize to whoever brought in the most Kerry signs.

Someone over at Atrios got back from a Kerry barnstorming meeting in Ohio. He said that there were reports from people that last night their yard signs were stolen.

One man stood up and said his neighbor has contacts in the John Boehner(he's our congressman) office and they sent out people to steal the signs. They were bragging they got 400 in the area last night.

He noted that they are giving a prize for theft. He found it disgraceful.

Posted by: spocko at September 15, 2004 01:39 AM

Jim,

~~~ all the rest of the world thinks were insane, we need to gain some face and quick! changing our attitude towards other races and countries will help. ~~~

We are insane! Where I work, we are fully 11/12ths insane! I haven't even mentioned the upcoming all out war between Christianity and Islam these guys advocate. And these aren't long held beliefs. These fellows have extrapolated every bit of this via what they think Bush wants.

These fellows' beliefs are not rare. November 2nd is judgement day. THE judgement day.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:39 AM

eya conbo

well i talk with folks
that have various circles of frends
i back up all my sources and have
documentation, buildin a rep
takes forever and has to
be constantly refreshed
to be effective, what i'm
after is increased awareness
and participation as well as more
informed voters, my vet buds are way active
the college profs i know are makin sure folks
are hip for the most part, exceptions are
standing out more and more, also the
fact is most of my opposition
has no documentation, also
i help with good come
backs on specific
issues my frends are
dealing with in coffee shops!

hiya ilo
yup my frend i see the wool
is falling off yer eyes!
Remember all the good
things too about
people and living to
restore your balance and
courage, we can fix this no prob!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 01:39 AM

Conbo, I intend to, but I have to get my extra email address worked out first. I don't want to use my primary email address. I'm lazy, But I do intend to.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:37 AM

go on yahoo and make one up
OR
don't post an email
you don't have to, you know
how bout this for a Nic:

Procrasitnator

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:40 AM

"Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:37 AM"
Try:
http://www.mailinator.net/mailinator/Welcome.do

Posted by: Catshew at September 15, 2004 01:40 AM

I used to hate lawyers ... --Nik E Poo

Despite the overwrought claims of Edwards' dazzling legal skills, winning jury verdicts in personal injury cases has nothing to do with legal talent and everything to do with getting the right cases – unless "talent" is taken to mean "having absolutely no shame." Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.

As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies born with cerebral palsy. As the New York Times reported: "Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins." All those Caesareans have, however, increased the mother's risk of death, hemorrhage, infection, pulmonary embolism and Mendelson's syndrome.

In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14143

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:40 AM

No phungus, YOU"RE right. All those Gemans who died in Stalingrad died *protecting* thier fatherland.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:41 AM

Why won't Kerry sign a SF 180? What is he hiding?

http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/standard_form_180.html

Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:42 AM

Conbo ~ I don't think that the left has that illusion of Utopia ...
___________
me either
it was a dumb article
sorry:)
See Chubby, I apologize, too

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:42 AM

I s there a distinction between using no nic, (knowing full well that `identity' is already taken) and purposely posting under someone else's name?

I really don't see one. But, that is my opinion, not an absolute truth.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:44 AM

David -

You've said as much before, and I appreciate your explanation. Your personal choice makes sense to me - in fact, I'll scan the no-nic post for links; but original writing I tend to skip unless I can attach a name to the posting.

For me, this blogging business is like trying to have a cocktail party in a freight train while going 90 miles an hour over a cliff, and everyone is trying to talk to everyone else at the same time, and all of us have just met for the first time moments ago.

In such a setting, names are not really important, but it helps me remember my own place in the queue of conversation.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:44 AM

This no nic.

I'll take care of this by Thrusday. Thanks for the advise and good discourse. I must make a call and then go to sleep. Talk to you all tommoro.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:45 AM

~~~ No phungus, YOU"RE right. All those Gemans who died in Stalingrad died *protecting* thier fatherland. ~~~

Touche' Chubby!

I'm definitely using THAT one!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:46 AM

who said anything about the email addy having to be real? many, many people myself included, use fake, even comical, email addys.

mouse over some names and you'll see what I mean.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:47 AM

MISS SHELL WHERE ARE YOU???

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:48 AM

eya FG

las time they were really being stupid

i got up on top of a table

and told em all off!

(i wanted to be able

to kick the first ahole

that came at me square in

the beezer and i'm a lil short shit

thats a bit prebent already)

worked that time and i

have'nt had to repeat it!

Thank god! but i'd do er again!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 01:49 AM

Hello Sunshine!!

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 01:49 AM

>>I'm definitely using THAT one! I'm honored!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:49 AM

I use a real email addy only in hope that on one fine day, I'll receive nude pictures that AREN'T spam.

Not really... but it sounded good.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:50 AM

Talk to you all tommoro.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:45 AM

bye!

get a nic no nic
then I can say bye "to so and so"

would be nicer, huh?

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 01:50 AM

Why won't Kerry sign a SF 180? What is he hiding?
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis/military_personnel_records/standard_form_180.html
Posted by: phungus at September 15, 2004 01:42 AM

Hey did Bush release his payroll record yet?
ahahahahaaaaa...

still trying to hide the fact he is AWOL I see.

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 01:51 AM

In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14143

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:40 AM

Uh... hello... it has to do with the insurance companies... do you know the kind of profits the insurance companies make? And do you remember one of the first groups Bush gave a big fat gift to when the economy and the markets were first starting to ail... was the insurance companies! Remember?! Even the financial industry (those not in the insurance biz that is) were outraged. Stock tip: invest in these companies... their profits are outstanding... of course if you have any kind of ethics, you might think twice. I looked at some of these companies financials when I was in M&A. And that was during a year when every other business was hurting.

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:51 AM

From:
../../../archives/000791.php

none of us have met in person
but you are like my 70-day family
somehow my heart gotted wrapped all
over dada - and it's not cool anymore
it was nice before - and now it just hurts
when i come to the blog crying - that's not cool
and as far as i know only time and space heal a broken heart
(and i don't even know how my heart got involved here anyway...shite happens i guess)

i always feel good when i'm very honest so there ya go

i fell into some sort of weird love with dada
and now it just hurts too much to be here..cuz all i do is look for him to post...and i recall that i used to have a sense of humor that i cannot seem to find here lately...

last time i fell in love with someone i'd never met was david lee roth...

anywayz, at least telling the blog the truth has stopped my crying...that's a start.

i can never thank each of you enough for all i've gained from being with you here...

xoxox
shell
xoxox

Posted by: s h e l l at September 14, 2004 03:50 PM

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:52 AM

~~~ Thank god! but i'd do er again! ~~~

Exactly, good vs evil at mythical proportions!

All life is precious and it has never been so at risk.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:53 AM

>>Why won't Kerry sign a SF 180? What is he hiding?

another red herring from the fun guy. Kerry released his records long ago. You choose to believe disinformation.

Just like a good little nazi.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:53 AM

My feelings remain the same. She does sometimes miss ... or grate a bit, but you too need to work on how you come across.. as do we all. Reread what you wrote, with an objective eye (if you can - it's apparently not that easy), notice the mistakes, the non-sequiters, the tone, and the points not made... give her the same slack you would want.
Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 12:15 AM

non-sequiters? Heya Nobody.

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 01:54 AM

hi ilo

cocktail maam?

we still have a way's to the bottom

of this train wreck, might as well eh?

brought a chuckle yer description!

this evening the bloggie has

been moving at show speed.

usually al lil slower

paced fer us 2 finger typers

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 01:54 AM

Trying to have a discussion with phungus is like trying to pick apples from a chestnut tree ... its fruitless ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:56 AM

Stock tip: invest in these companies... their profits are outstanding... of course if you have any kind of ethics, you might think twice. I looked at some of these companies financials when I was in M&A. And that was during a year when every other business was hurting.

Posted by: Catharine at September 15, 2004 01:51 AM

"A company's stock price is a good indicator of the position of a company; however, the position of a company is an unreliable indicator as to the company's future stock price."

Leon Allen

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 01:56 AM

~~~ i fell into some sort of weird love with dada ~~~

The first online love occupies a portion of us that has never been occupied by anything... a part of us that is hypersensitive. VERY powerful... but thankfully just as short lived and usually never visited again.

Shell will be fine. We all were, at one time or another.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 01:57 AM

I s there a distinction between using no nic, (knowing full well that `identity' is already taken) and purposely posting under someone else's name?

I really don't see one. But, that is my opinion, not an absolute truth.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 01:44 AM

____________

I do see one.

If someone has a deliberate nic and someone else steals it or masks it, then you are assuming an identity.

If you are a no-nic, you are part of the collective unconscious, so to speak, and each thought expressed in a no-nic post is independent unto itself.

One can choose to engage it, ignore it, decry it, disparage it, etc., but it is unique unto itself in its singularity. In other words, unlike the people you come to "know" by their nic, a no-nic post is a foreign, unproven, unknown item that must succeed (or fail) wholly upon its merits.

It is not given the benefit of the doubt. Part of the trade-off for anonymity. But no, it is nothing like simulating another person's nic, imo.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 01:59 AM

Speak for yourself, Fish. I've never been in love with Dada.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:00 AM

Lets all berat up dadalux for breaking Shells heart.

I thought she was married, has a million cats...how does she have room in her heart to become so attached to a `phantom' love?

I love Shell, but it is this sort of thing that scares the living crap out of old bachelors like myself.

How can we become so attached to words zooming through the ethernet?

I think she is just very emotional today. I hope she will be back with us soon. When she comes back I shan't mention her absence other to say, "I'm glad you're back!"

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:00 AM

berat up

beat up. I meant beat up.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:02 AM

Trying to have a discussion with phungus is like trying to pick apples from a chestnut tree ... its fruitless ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:56 AM

yes, but there's lots of nuts

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:03 AM

... Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections. ...

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 01:40 AM
=======================
Bad lawyers are like bad policemen. There are corrupt police officers in every jurisdiction, and bad lawyers are found everywhere. All the same, given that Utopia is unlikely to be built, a society without lawyers and policemen is more frightening to me, than a society that has persons who play such roles in our society.

FURTHER, as to medical malpractice, your statement is really quite inapt. Edwards is a lawyer, not a doctor. In medical malpractice, what the jury evaluates is the competing testimony of expert witnesses, for the plaintiff and the defendant. Therefore, it is battle between DOCTORS, since the expert witnesses in medical malpractice cases are doctors.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS: Would an architect accept a job on the condition that she would only be paid if the building withstood the elements of nature, after learning that the client wanted the building erected on a sandbar at low tide? By analogy, lawyers are unlikely to file many "frivilous" lawsuits, for this is a direct route to bancruptcy for the lawyer.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 02:04 AM

i think shared love
is important and so
is attempted love

i always picture
the ladies as
53 yr old
retired teamsters
who aren't allowed to crossdress
in public and are sitting in rooms
being delighted that peeps love their minds and style, heehee and i love em for it
this the only place where peeps
can be themselves or refine
who they really are.
also i love u all
in a real way.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:04 AM

Nuclear Weapons Stealth Takeover

by LEUREN MORET

5 Admirals, U.C. Regents, Carlyle Group, and Rand

"I think some of these folks would put nuclear tips on ice cream cones if they could."

U.S. Representative Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.) on efforts by Bush Administration officials to repeal a research ban on low-yield nuclear weapons.

Global Security Newswire ‘Quote of the Day’ May 19, 2003

UC AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS: THE KISS OF DEATH

read entire article here:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3323

is some scary shiite!

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:04 AM

I thought she was married, has a million cats...how does she have room in her heart to become so attached to a `phantom' love?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:00 AM

I wondered about that myself.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:05 AM

>>The first online love occupies a portion of us that has never been occupied by anything

fortunately, my first online infatuation was with porn:

http://www.dynamix.net/motw.html

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:05 AM

yes, but there's lots of nuts

...sometimes you feel like a nut,
sometimes you don't...

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:05 AM

~~~ How can we become so attached to words zooming through the ethernet? ~~~

Its a wicked little receptor within our minds (hearts, more descriptively) that probably evolved for something else entirely. Once that receptor is fitted the effect is overwhelming, sudden and intense. Two weeks. Month on the outside and it is gone. And I mean gone.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:06 AM

xoxox

always welcome!

xoxox

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:06 AM

Trying to have a discussion with phungus is like trying to pick apples from a chestnut tree ... its fruitless ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 01:56 AM

yes, but there's lots of nuts

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:03 AM

Har!
that was funny

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:06 AM

~~~ fortunately, my first online infatuation was with porn ~~~

Better than with a lawn tractor. I yearned for a guitar online once such that I thought I might die.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:08 AM

~fortunately, my first online infatuation was with porn~

i went to my first strip club the other night.

it didn't smell bad.

(i thought it would smell bad)

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:12 AM

*

sometimes
you need symbolic
love instead of reality

*

i think
about how
much courage
it takes to love

*

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:13 AM

W@W,

~~~ Speak for yourself, Fish. I've never been in love with Dada. ~~~

And you expect me to believe that. Fine, I feel no need to re-awaken your pain.

*supersnark*

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:13 AM

Ok, I just came up with a new varition on my very popular country-style bbq rib recipe. For the past two hours (whil blogging) I have prepared the most succulent, delicious ribs ever! ... The new ingredient? ... Kaluha! ... Holy Jesus and Mary is this a tasty sauce!!! ... I just substituted 1/4 cup molassass for the liquer and dropped the cooking time by 10 minutes ... perfection!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 12:41 AM

beef or pork?

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:13 AM

>>I yearned for a guitar online once such that I thought I might die

exactly! In love with an ideal with no idea of its reality. The guitar is the perfect analogy -- thee's no way of telling how well it plays, the action, the tone. We only can project our assumptions or wishes.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Daily show's Cobert on the gun ban -- hilarious! especially about assualt weapons in Iraq. ' a model we should look to, everyone has assault weapons there and they are successful holding off a much bigger occupying force' -- something to that effect.

Lewis BLACK!!!! is ON!!!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:14 AM

beef or pork?
Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:13 AM

didn't you notice the heading?:
===================== Warning ======================
The following post contains gratuitous descriptions of pork ... Non-pork eaters, skip to the next post.
=====================================================

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:16 AM

>>Lewis BLACK!!!!

he's talking about the commercialisation of `Patriots day"

Its so delicous, you'll whish every day was Sept 11th!

Cowery the self-wetting cat!!!

Black is on fore tonight!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:16 AM

romantic love is for shmucks and sillies
i gave up long ago, too many shocks and jolts

anyway check this out:

Government must argue ID case publicly

''It's wild that the government can't even confirm this most basic security directive that every passenger in the country knows exists,'' said Susan Seager, a lawyer who was preparing to argue on behalf of several news organizations, including The Associated Press, against the government's bid to seal.

read entire article here:
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/9659435.htm

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:17 AM

act now or the terrorist win!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:18 AM

In urban fighting, it isn't the size of the force... its the size of the force which can be brought down an alleyway effectively. Single shot 22s are effective in such an environment.

You can't fit a division down an alley. And here's the kicker... WE'RE trying to teach IRAQIS how to do it right!

HAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:20 AM

Black was on fire, not fore.

I was laughing so loud I woke the cats!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:21 AM

" We all were, at one time or another."

Excuse me? You all were?
Scary! Scary!

And I thought I had problems -

Please turn off your computer right now and learn to do some real living -

but what do I know

I am just a comb

Posted by: wolfowitz's comb at September 15, 2004 02:22 AM

Freedom of Information Threat Level 'Severe'

By Lucy Dalglish

WASHINGTON, Sep 15, 2004 -- In the days immediately following September 11, the U.S. government embarked on a disturbing path of secrecy. The atmosphere of terror induced public officials to abandon this country's culture of openness and opt for secrecy as a way of ensuring safety and security.

At first, we hoped that the move toward secrecy would be short lived. The actions would be viewed as temporary" or "emergency" measures. Unfortunately, that has not been the case. Led by secrecy-loving officials in the executive branch, secrecy in the United States government is now the norm...

read entire article here:
http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert255.shtml

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:22 AM

In a Station of the Metro

THE apparition of these faces in the crowd;
Petals on a wet, black bough.

-- Ezra Pound

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:23 AM

beef or pork?
Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:13 AM

didn't you notice the heading?:
===================== Warning ======================
The following post contains gratuitous descriptions of pork ... Non-pork eaters, skip to the next post.
=====================================================

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:16 AM

---------

Nah, Nikky, I is illiterate.

I could smell 'em was all.

Mmmm.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:23 AM

romantic love is for shmucks and sillies
i gave up long ago, too many shocks and jolts

a nice phase to go thru,
real love is doin fer others
what they can't do for themselves
service instead of gratification
loving instead of hating
even if it kills ya
i'm no pro tho
i am trying!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:24 AM

romantic love is for shmucks and sillies
Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:17 AM

I guess that makes me a shmuck. I can live with that ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:25 AM

so neo-cons don't know real love?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:25 AM

I am just a comb
Posted by: wolfowitz's comb at September 15, 2004 02:22 AM

Cool! ... now that you're here Mr Comb ... why don't you give phungus a nice moist combing ... he's got a cowlick.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:27 AM

~~~ Please turn off your computer right now and learn to do some real living ~~~

I was born in 1955. Became sick of real living before I knew what a computer was.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:27 AM

Goldwater, my dad was big into him.

when he died, the spin from the proto-neo-cons was he was too liberal.

my how times change.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:28 AM

krist, Fish, from the way you described yerself I figure you to be in your 70s

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:30 AM

~~~ but what do I know I am just a comb ~~~

What's REALLY scary is that you think, after the 50th time... that that's still funny.

That scares the shit out of me.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:31 AM

the spin from the proto-neo-cons was he was too liberal.

my how times change.

Posted by: chubby_bubba
=======================
I put a little ricotta on a hotdog bun and said to myself, "What I have here is a proto-neo-cannoli!"

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:31 AM

maybe it's not age but
miles that does it.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:32 AM

~~~ krist, Fish, from the way you described yerself I figure you to be in your 70s ~~~

I portray myself that way. Less threatening, maybe?

I dunno.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:32 AM

There are people in my neighborhood who make a decent living walking dogs. They charge 10$ a pop. Sometimes they walk several at the same time. They do this all day. On the weekends, they do dog sitting, charging like 40$ a day.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:33 AM

real love is doin fer others
what they can't do for themselves
service instead of gratification
loving instead of hating
even if it kills ya
i'm no pro tho
i am trying!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:24 AM
__________________
Amen, Jimmy
And you are a pro:)
God bless you

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:34 AM

proto-neo-cons was he was too liberal.
Posted by: chubby_bubba

Sounds like a term thrown around by dinosaurologists ... you know ... rock sweeper dudes and dudettes. You must read nat geo.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:34 AM

>>There are people in my neighborhood who make a decent living walking dogs.

Cheney will be happy to hear that!n first ebay, now dogwalkers.

Tomorrow squeegee men?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:34 AM

~~~ but what do I know I am just a comb ~~~

What's REALLY scary is that you think, after the 50th time... that that's still funny.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:31 AM

C'mon. It's pretty funny. Then again, I think Nobody's Right Hand Man is a hoot.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:36 AM

eya FG
dar was hopin you'd bringer
up to speed on Sistani and
the hap's on that scene!
she say give u a blog smoochie!
darlenbc@yahoo.com

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:36 AM

Can It Happen Here?

by Maureen Farrell

...And so it goes.

On Sunday, the St. Petersburg Times ran an Op-ed entitled, "Americans in danger are vulnerable to dictatorship," describing the frighteningly simple conventional wisdom the country now seems to embrace. "The 'man on horseback' mentality, the belief that a leader's strength is more important than where it leads them, defines a population that is vulnerable to dictatorship," Martin Dyckman wrote, before adding (else someone jump down his throat) a disclaimer. "This is not to call Bush a dictator or suggest that he wants to be one." (Never mind Bush's thrice-repeated joke about wishing it were so).

"But let no one believe that it couldn't happen here, as has happened so often elsewhere," Dyckman concluded, echoing Lewis' ageless theme.

Of course, now that two wars and two Presidential campaigns are underway, attention has been diverted. But the unease that rippled from post-9/11 aftershocks continues. It's just different now. Somehow.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows," one of Mayor's subjects confided. "You speak privately to you colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, "It's not so bad" or "You're seeing things" or "You're an alarmist."

And it's not so bad. For the moment. Or at least until after the election and the return of the draft or until after the next major attack and the triumph of fear over liberty. After all, mainstream papers are free to discuss Americans' vulnerability to dictatorship, while citizens are still permitted to read 70-year-old novels describing conditions that are eerily familiar...

read entire article here:
http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/09/far04030.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:36 AM

there are no dinosaurs in the bible. niether is the National Geographic.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:37 AM

There are people in my neighborhood who make a decent living walking dogs. They charge 10$ a pop. Sometimes they walk several at the same time. They do this all day. On the weekends, they do dog sitting, charging like 40$ a day.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:33 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How much malpractice insurance does a dogwalker have to carry in order to set up shop?

And do you think a person could add a little extra to their income if during the course of the walk, a few of the pups could be unloaded on EBay? Assuming, of course, the insurance company settles up with the missing dog's owner.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 02:37 AM

Tomorrow squeegee men?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:34 AM

They use to, until Guiliani put the "Squeezee" on them.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:37 AM

so neo-cons don't know real love?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:25 AM

they do talk about sodomy and whores a lot at
nicedoggies. i suppose that is their love

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:38 AM

Jim,

~~~ eya FG
dar was hopin you'd bringer
up to speed on Sistani and
the hap's on that scene! ~~~

I got an email started at work I'll get off to her in the morning. How about that baby boy? There's hope for this planet yet, yes?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:38 AM

eya conbo
backatchu kiddoo!
he smilin on us both eh?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:39 AM

On the weekends, they do dog sitting, charging like 40$ a day.
Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:33 AM

hmmm ...

weekend days per year = 52 x 2 = 104.
$40 x 104 = $4,160.00

weekdays per year = 365 - 104 = 261.
several dogs at $10 per dog = $30
$30 x 261 = $7,830.00

$7,830 + 4,160 = $11,990 per year

Not exactly a "living wage" for NYC.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:40 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How much malpractice insurance does a dogwalker have to carry in order to set up shop?

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 02:37 AM

Probably none. But I've wondered about that myself. What happens if the dog gets sick while in your care?

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:40 AM

he smilin on us both eh?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:39 AM

I hope so Jimmy:)

some days I think he is a little annoyed w/me,
but you know, he is patient

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:41 AM

ya
deres always hope eh?
i do it for alla de kiddoos
i adopted Iraq months ago
might adopt the whole
world sooner r later

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:41 AM

RE: crazy Adolph

Catharine made a good point about Hitler dismantling the Weimar Republic legally. This is so.

But someone else made the point about Hitler being elected. This is sort of yes and sort of no, but mostly no.

In 1932, Hitler's National Socialists got 32% of the vote in the Reichstag, giving them a plurality. Hitler used this as political leverage (and a great degree of back-door machinations with useful fools like von Papen) to (ultimately) get himself appointed chancellor (equivalent to prime minister) by President von Hindenburg in Jan. of 1933.

Then, once chancellor, Hitler used the Reichstag fire in Feb. of '33 and the terrified hysteria that accompanied it to ram through the "enabling act" later in March of the same year (giving Hitler unimpeded executive authority), which allowed Hitler to (legally, mind) dismantle the liberal democratic Weimar republic of Germany, leading to horrors like The Night of the Long Knives, Kristal Nacht, blitzkrieg attacks, total war, and the Final Solution.

But Hitler *was* elected, after a fashion, but it was done by self-justifying plebiscite (sort a like certain South American "elections") *after* the enabling act of March, 1933, which granted Hitler legal and executive dictatorial powers for -- wink, wink -- four years (though not yet military, that came later) to control free speech and press, ban political parties, crush unions, etc., thereby legally intimidating or disbanding those who might otherwise oppose him.

Hitler gamed the system, and once he had it rigged how he needed it, including having the military swear a loyalty oath to him upon the death of President von Hindenburg, making Hitler both Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor, only *then* would he allow a plebiscite election to approve him as dictator.

While it's technically true that Hitler "won" election, he did so in a rigged fashion and merely to seek the "unimpeachable" approval of the country to become their fuehrer.

August 19, 1934
Event: Hitler elected Fuhrer (95.7% of German voters).

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:43 AM

>>Probably none. But I've wondered about that myself. What happens if the dog gets sick while in your care?

Just keep them out of Oregon:

Authorities investigate four dog poisonings on the Oregon coast
9/11/2004, 6:47 p.m. PT
The Associated Press

MANZANITA, Ore. (AP) — Authorities on the Oregon coast are investigating an apparent string of dog poisonings, and are warning pet owners to keep their animals leashed while on the beach.

Four dogs became sick after visiting Manzanita Beach over the past month, according to the Manzanita Department of Public Safety. Three of the four died, and two of the deaths were linked to a toxic herbicide used last summer in a case of dog poisonings in Portland's Laurelhurst Park.

Officials are investigating whether the third dog also died from the herbicide paraquat, which can be easily mixed with food or water. Symptoms of paraquat poisoning may include vomiting and lethargic behavior.

The dog poisonings come a year after more than a dozen dogs died from eating meat tainted with paraquat in Portland's Laurelhurst Park in a case that remains unsolved.

http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-7/109495405391050.xml&storylist=orlocal

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:43 AM

ok ... thats it ... I'm out ... this blog has gone to the dogs ... hehe ...

adios fuckers!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:44 AM

weekdays per year = 365 - 104 = 261.
several dogs at $10 per dog = $30
$30 x 261 = $7,830.00

$7,830 + 4,160 = $11,990 per year

Not exactly a "living wage" for NYC.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:40 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Rain Man

Actually, It's more like about 500-600 a week which is doable if you live in Queens or Brooklyn.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:44 AM

eya NEP
g'nite
ya lil snort!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:47 AM

ok ... thats it ... I'm out ... this blog has gone to the dogs ... hehe ...

adios fuckers!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 02:44 AM

bye Nik

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:47 AM

>>this blog has gone to the dogs ... hehe ...

yeah, this is a Cats only blog

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:47 AM

bye'ya!

me oughta go soon too.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 02:48 AM

By George, he's plotted

BY JESSE JACKSON Advertisement

George Orwell would be appalled. The author of the classic 1984 wrote about the ability of totalitarian powers to control minds through propaganda. They could claim war is peace and repeat it enough that people came to believe it. Orwell never would have imagined that the same propaganda techniques could be so successful in a democracy with a free press -- but George Bush is proving just that...

read entire article here:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse14.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:49 AM

yeah, this is a Cats only blog

Did War Dog get the boot?

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:49 AM

Never seen nor heard of a better Man than Jim. In all truth, he's up there with Sy Hersh and Mark Twain in my book.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:50 AM

C'mon. It's pretty funny. Then again, I think Nobody's Right Hand Man is a hoot.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:36 AM

---------

I am a fan myself.

Even when I am the one being punctured. It's consistently very good satire.

For a brief period, I had my own right-hand man, but word must've got around that I is left-handed and put the kibosh on the whole project.

dr

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 02:50 AM

Never seen nor heard of a better Man than Jim. In all truth, he's up there with Sy Hersh and Mark Twain in my book.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:50 AM

Mark Twain was kinda rude compared to Jimmy:)

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:52 AM

Barak Obama on Franken... on Sundance!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:52 AM

~~~ Mark Twain was kinda rude compared to Jimmy ~~~

That level of talent.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:54 AM

tanks FG
i'm really
an ol snort bud!
(i'm jus behavin myself)
but it's a dam nice compliment!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 02:54 AM

AL-QAEDA AND LOS ALAMOS
By Cliff Kincaid

...Peter Stockton of the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) says there is a site at Los Alamos known as Technical Area 18, which is in a canyon and is a repository for tons of highly enriched uranium and plutonium. If al-Qaeda terrorists take over the facility and detonate what is called “an improvised nuclear device,” they could “take out a chunk of northern New Mexico,” he says. “It’s very easily done and it’s very quickly done.” The terrorists would simply place conventional explosives on either end of the nuclear materials, slam them together, and produce a detonation...

read entire article here:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff14.htm

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 02:56 AM

While in Saratoga, I saw a cool Mark Twain quote:

"It's a difference of opinion that makes horseraces"

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:57 AM

Oct. 18, 1999 | A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged with help from his family's political connections. In an afterword to his book "Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President" (St. Martin's), Hatfield says he took a second look at the Bush cocaine allegations after a story in Salon reporting allegations that Bush did community service for the crime at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston's Third Ward.

The center's executive director, Madgelean Bush (no relation to George W. Bush), had told Salon News and others that Bush did not do community service there, and the Bush campaign likewise denied the allegation. But the Texas governor had admitted to working at Houston's Project P.U.L.L. in 1972, and Hatfield says he began to wonder if that was actually the community service sentence. Hatfield says he confirmed those suspicions with three sources close to the Bush family he had cultivated while writing his biography, which publishes Wednesday.

But Hatfield quotes "a high-ranking advisor to Bush" who confirmed that Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in Houston in 1972, and had the record expunged by a judge who was "a fellow Republican and elected official" who helped Bush get off "with a little community service at a minority youth center instead of having to pick cotton on a Texas prison farm."

Hatfield quotes a former Yale classmate who told him: "George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father's connections, the entire record was expunged by a state judge whom the older Bush helped get elected. It was one of those 'behind closed doors in the judges' chambers' kind of thing between the old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a favor ... There's only a handful of us that know the truth."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 02:58 AM

Just read Juan Cole's latest on the Turkmen and Tal Afar. Amazing what this administration can blunder into without the slightest consideration. What a mess.

This continues another week and Osama Bin Laden will find no safer home than Turkey itself.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:58 AM

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*bunnies and kitties and sweaters and pepsi*

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Posted by: at September 15, 2004 02:59 AM

The Psycho State
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

...One obvious beneficiary of the proposal is the pharmaceutical industry, which is eager to sell the psychotropic drugs that undoubtedly will be prescribed to millions of American schoolchildren under the new screening program. Of course a tiny minority of children suffer from legitimate mental illnesses, but the widespread use of Ritalin and other drugs on youngsters who simply exhibit typical rambunctious, fidgety, and impatient behavior is nothing short of criminal. It may be easier to teach and parent drugged kids, but convenience is no justification for endangering them. Children’s brains are still developing, and the truth is we have no idea what the long-term side effects of psychiatric drugs may be. Medical science has not even exhaustively identified every possible brain chemical, even as we alter those chemicals with drugs...

read entire article here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul203.html

this particulary scares me because my son is
high a energy type of little boy. He is so smart.
But impatient, and curious. No way in hell does
he need medication tho. I will go to jail before
i put him on anything...

Posted by: Conbo at September 15, 2004 03:00 AM

CHRISTIAN, n.
One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin.

from: The Devil's Dictionary
text by Ambrose Bierce, 1911

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 03:00 AM

Just read Juan Cole's latest on the Turkmen and Tal Afar. Amazing what this administration can blunder into without the slightest consideration. What a mess.
Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 02:58 AM

I wonder what is the effect of Turkey start supplying turkmen. Turkey definitely has big interest controling the kurdish.

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 03:00 AM

BTW

Nice work on the Hitler post, David.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 03:01 AM

see
mark twain
had his apprenticeship
behind him at my age and
i'm just starting mine.
the stories are mainly
still inside and
rattlin around.
i have written
a few tho.
wish i
had more
time to do it.

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:01 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen: The Rain Man
Actually, It's more like about 500-600 a week which is doable if you live in Queens or Brooklyn.
Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 02:44 AM

hmmm ...
$600 per week is $600 x 52 = $37,200 per year

assuming you can't sit two houses at once
$37,200 - $4,160 = $33,040

$33,040 / $10 = 3,304 dog walks
3,304 / 261 = 12.6 dogs per day

assuming dogs poop when you walk them ....

if average size dog is 30lbs ...
eats 20 lbs food per month + water + treats
even with high protien density food ... figure absorption rate of 75% at best ...

20lbs x 0.75 = 15lbs per dog-month

or ~ 0.5lbs per dog-day

thats 12.6 x 0.5 = 6.3lbs per day

So, for a "living wage in brooklyn" you can make it by bending over 12.6 times per day picking up 6.3lbs of dog shit ... over 3/4 ton per year ...

Damn! That sounds like a great job! Beats the shit out of what I'm doing!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 03:02 AM

>>confirmed that Bush was arrested for cocaine possession

If W had been subject to the same drug laws he enacted as governor, he'd likely still be in jail today.

This is the best argument for drug criminalization I've ever run across.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 03:03 AM

Good News:

The Majority Report will be single-handedly responsible for the defeat of the Porter Goss nomination.

Bad News:

The Michael Moore/Goss clip had to come to the attention of the Senate via a conversation on Air America instead of from mainstream media. Where was Fox on this? Come on, Fox!

Good news:

New AAR affiliates every week.

Posted by: lyingliar at September 15, 2004 03:03 AM

Sorry ... I couldn't resist ... I had the laptop in the crapper as I was typing that in ...

Now I really gotta go ... big day tommorrow ... earth falling into the sun again ...

adios for real folks ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 03:04 AM

>>I had the laptop in the crapper as I was typing that in ...Now I really gotta go

my computer makes me want to shit too...

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 03:06 AM

~~~ The terrorists would simply place conventional explosives on either end of the nuclear materials, slam them together, and produce a detonation ~~~

I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Meaningless conjecture without knowing the slightest thing about the manner wherein materials are stored in Los Alamos. Fissible materials are, by their very definition, stored in small packets separated by large inert masses and sufficient distance.

Laughable rumor. Some people resort to this crap when the truth is scary enough.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:06 AM

Damn! That sounds like a great job! Beats the shit out of what I'm doing!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 03:02 AM

Throw in that you're outdoors, get exercise, and can meet women on the job.

From what I've been told, you get used to picking up the poop.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 03:07 AM

I am a border-ruffian from the State of Missouri. I am a Connecticut Yankee by adoption. In me you have Missouri morals, Connecticut culture; this, gentlemen, is the combination which makes the perfect man.

I am the human race compacted and crammed into a single suit of clothes but quite able to represent its entire massed multitude in all its moods and inspirations.

M T

i gotta ways to go!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:08 AM

>>you get used to picking up the poop.

You can invest in a pooper-scooper, it'd be deductable as a business expense

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 03:09 AM

Sorry ... I couldn't resist ... I had the laptop in the crapper as I was typing that in ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 03:04 AM
____________

Always figures you's full of shit, but now you is gone and confirmed our suspicions.

Ain't there no place for mystery nommores?

Or is it in the shitter, too?

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 03:10 AM

Passing out in 5, 4, 3, 2zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 15, 2004 03:11 AM

~~~ I wonder what is the effect of Turkey start supplying turkmen. Turkey definitely has big interest controling the kurdish. ~~~

That's true. And on top of it are US actions blatantly supporting the opposite... the Kurds controlling the Turkmen!

Turkey has already openly threatened the USA with a complete end of cooperation in the War on Terror. And the Turkish government actions are pale compared to general Turkish thoughts on this. We're inches from complete diplomatic withdrawal... something normally reserved for enemies in a time of war.

And Turkey is a MEMBER OF NATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:13 AM

At times I seem to hear whisperings around me,
as if some that loved me were talking of me;
but when I would distinguish the words,
they cease,
and all is very still.
I know not whether these things rise in my brain,
or enter it from without.
I do not seek them;
they come,
and I let them go.

Posted by: Lilith at September 15, 2004 03:14 AM

BTW

Nice work on the Hitler post, David.

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 03:01 AM

____________

That there's an awful kind thing to say considerin' that I is been a real shit to you on the nat. sec. vs. econ. argument.

You is a magnanimous soul, Nasty.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 03:14 AM

Two sentences bear repeating. Juan Cole is so sharp that he doesn't include stuff like this to explain why he finds the Tal Afar situation so compelling. He figures its obvious, maybe.

We're inches from complete diplomatic withdrawal... something normally reserved for enemies in a time of war.

And Turkey is a MEMBER OF NATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:20 AM

That there's an awful kind thing to say considerin' that I is been a real shit to you on the nat. sec. vs. econ. argument.

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 03:14 AM

"If we didn't have such a high opinion of ourselves, we wouldn't be so easily insulted."

Schopenhauer

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 03:20 AM

re turks
geez that whole deal
is slidin under the
smokescreen aint it.
cept, we will watch eh?

dar says they playin
swift boat liars out
where she is steady,
(by the way, her
opinion of that
was realllly
colorful!)

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:21 AM

~~~ by the way, her
opinion of that
was realllly
colorful! ~~~

HAHAHAHAHA! I bet it WAS!

I'm jealous!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:22 AM

Eya WaW

evening bud

whats been fun lately?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:24 AM

I am listening to Al Franken's interview of Kitty Kelley. I love Al, but he is a lousy interviewer. He hasn't asked Ms. Kelley any direct questions about the book. As usual the conversation ends up about him. It's that narcisistic celebrity thing.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 15, 2004 03:25 AM

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Posted by: !i at September 15, 2004 03:26 AM

I think Bush's "planners" (there's an oxymoron for ye) are still miffed at Turkey for not allowing us complete access to the North of Iraq via Turky at the start of the invasion. They aren't even informed enough to understand that what the Turkish government DID give us in that respect risked its immediate overthrow by the vast numbers of Turks who resented it completely.

Now, the Bush administration is trying to send a message? To Turkey?

Have they completely lost their marbles?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:28 AM

ya know
took her 5 minutes
to ask about everybody
she even misses N!
WaW she give u
a bloggie
smoochie
too!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:29 AM

I miss the biggest part of N. Just not that part that is so unlike the rest of him.

That make any sense whatsoever?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:32 AM

"If we didn't have such a high opinion of ourselves, we wouldn't be so easily insulted."

Schopenhauer

Posted by: W@W at September 15, 2004 03:20 AM

-----

Is that there for pedagogic purposes? If so, I is afraid you're casting your pearls before swine, as I is too tie-red to figure out whether I am insulting or insulted or some combination of the two.

Night awl.

dr

Just for grins, here's a battery of Artie right back at ya:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Compassion is the basis of all morality.

Every person takes the limits of their own field of vision for the limits of the world.

If we were not all so interested in ourselves, life would be so uninteresting that none of us would be able to endure it.

Noise is the most impertinent of all forms of interruption. It is not only an interruption, but is also a disruption of thought.

Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer

Posted by: dr at September 15, 2004 03:32 AM

Okay okay... I just caught up. It took me hours.

But I have nothing to say.

Shellfish is gone again, huh. I don't even read most of Dadalux's posts. Used to be just a bunch of quotes from smart people. Now it's a bunch of cheesy pics.

Come back Shelly. You can be in love with me, babe.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 03:33 AM

ya al does that
J & S too, though
not as much as they used to.
wonder if the ever listen to the
shows to refine their technique?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:33 AM

And what's eating Nobody? Everyone around here is hating the phantom lead that Bush has and we're all getting a little emotional.

It's a good thing. I hope the polls show Bush in the lead the rest of the way, goddamn it. Throw them off their game a little. Maybe change their strategy. Make 'em not want to cheat so much.

Kerry is going to win this thing. And Bush and folks are going to complain like bitches for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 03:38 AM

eya mel

evening bud

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:38 AM

~~~ J & S too, though
not as much as they used to.
wonder if the ever listen to the
shows to refine their technique? ~~~

That's why I'm so pleased with them when they got Professor Cole on. Not a hint of any of that narcisistic stuff. None of it. They're somehow transformed into accomplished journalists... like *poof*

Maybe they just mesh with him in some freaky way. I'm as impressed with S&J as I am with Cole!

Can't wait for them to get into this Turkmen thing!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:40 AM

Hey Jimmy. I'm watching the Iron Chef on the food network.

What are you up to?

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 03:40 AM

Mel,

~~~ And Bush and folks are going to complain like bitches for the rest of the year. ~~~

We can only hope that's the all of it!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:41 AM

~Everyone around here is hating the phantom lead that Bush has and we're all getting a little emotional.~

what's mercury doing?

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 03:42 AM

well mel
my guess is
N is regrouping,
lurkin, reassesing
his approach and data
refining his goals
planning and
evaluating
and catchin
up around the
castle and grounds

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:42 AM

mercury in interestin alignments
during the daytime, i watch it
every day, the planets rise
and set like the sun

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:46 AM

We can only hope that's the all of it!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:41 AM

Recounts and more recounts. Maybe a Thanksgiving weekend protest rally in washington. The stock market will tumble like a lead zeppelin.

But George and pals will concede for the good of the country come Christmas after Texas, Utah and Wyoming talk of succeding(sp) from the union. And Rush has a heart attack on air screaming about voter fraud and absentee ballots.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 03:47 AM

tell ya mel
i traded a lil ol
computer with linux on it
fer 20 lbs of smoked salmon
and ruzz an jaxxer are
helpin me with the
first split!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 03:50 AM

We have NO relationship as important in the real War on Terror as is ours with Turkey. When Pakistan folds... and it will... Turkey will be ALL of the War on Terror.

They're that important. And we blatantly risk that relationship... for what?

It's like Woody Allen produced a war movie!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:50 AM

Salmon great for dogs!

Deer even eat it!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:52 AM

Jim,
What kind of box was it? And what type of linux do you like? What distro?

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 03:54 AM

Worlds away: Thought to be the first picture of an extrasolar planet, the red dot at left appears to orbit the brown dwarf in the center of this near-infrared image

http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2004-09-10-3

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 03:54 AM

Rush Limbaugh Becomes Official Unpaid Advisor to Bush-Cheney '04

September 13, 2004

I made an official announcement to open the program today. I have become, and have been for a while, an official, unpaid advisor to the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign, and we decided to go public with this because there's no problem with it whatsoever.

There was thought about my stepping down from the Golden EIB Microphone two or three days a week on the days that I was giving advice, but we decided not to do that. There's no conflict here. There's absolutely no conflict whatsoever. The line has been successfully blurring now for years and years and years.

I will not be giving up my precious seat behind the Golden EIB Microphone. I will continue to serve both functions with credibility on both sides, an official unpaid advisor to the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign '04, as well as your host here on the EIB Network.

Read the Articles
(Official Site of Bush-Cheney '04 Campaign - Officially Advised by Rush Limbaugh)
(New York Times: Bush Campaign Protests Two CNN Commentators' Ties to Kerry)
(Los Angeles Times: Kerry Campaign Team Still Looking for a Groove)

Posted by: Crayon at September 15, 2004 03:55 AM

More Professor Cole

"Luke Harding writes for The Guardian in Baghdad that a huge car bomb killed 47 and wounded 114 at the al-Karkh Police station. Targeted were prospective recruits to the police force."

http://www.juancole.com/

Didn't we... here on this blog figure out the importance of protecting those police recruits A MONTH AGO? More? And how easy it would be to do?

IDIOTS! MISMANAGING IDIOTS!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:57 AM

Space probes feel cosmic tug of bizarre forces

Robin McKie, science editor
Sunday September 12, 2004
The Observer

Something strange is tugging at America's oldest spacecraft. As the Pioneer 10 and 11 probes head towards distant stars, scientists have discovered that the craft - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to be in the grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they sweep out of the solar system.

http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,1302857,00.html

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 03:57 AM

~~~ Thought to be the first picture of an extrasolar planet ~~~

Breathtaking!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:59 AM

~~~ scientists have discovered that the craft - launched more than 30 years ago - appear to be in the grip of a mysterious force that is holding them back as they sweep out of the solar system ~~~

Its their mommy!

They forgot their lunches!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:00 AM

sunshine, hey...did you get the roe with the salmon? that's my favorite part...saw the first dragonfly of the season yesterday...between that and the festival at my neighborhood shrine i'm a bit melancholy with the coming of autumn...more than usual in an election year, i guess...

fishgrease, don't know if you saw but i was asked not to come back to the mosque by a young middle eastern guy...when i told an american friend about it, he said 'well you're not going to let hime *win* are you?'...i think that's why we don't care how turkey feels about us killing turkmen...you know what i mean?

mel, do you think bush will concede for the good of the country? i hope so, but i worry...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:01 AM

IDIOTS! MISMANAGING IDIOTS!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 03:57 AM

yes.

just imagine.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 04:02 AM

I am listening to Al Franken's interview of Kitty Kelley. I love Al, but he is a lousy interviewer. He hasn't asked Ms. Kelley any direct questions about the book. As usual the conversation ends up about him. It's that narcisistic celebrity thing.
Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 15, 2004 03:25 AM //

I got the feeling Al is trying to tell a story that kitty kelly will pick up.

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 04:02 AM

~~~ Rush Limbaugh Becomes Official Unpaid Advisor to Bush-Cheney '04 ~~~

We're in trouble now!

Look what Limbaugh did for Monday Night Football!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:03 AM

Jenise,

~~~ fishgrease, don't know if you saw but i was asked not to come back to the mosque by a young middle eastern guy ~~~

I did see that. I was under the impression he was duly concerned for your safety. But that he would need to be, even if that's the case! Yes! My my... what a disaster this President is!

Let him win? Hey jenise... look at what Bush is doing... let the middle eastern guy win!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:09 AM

mel, do you think bush will concede for the good of the country? i hope so, but i worry...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:01 AM

I think he'll be forced to. I think whichever way it goes. They steal it. Or we kick his sorry butt. There will be trouble. (right here in river city)

I think that what Al and Dem senators saw in 2000 was that we can't split the country and The house and the senate and the supreme court down the middle without a little bloodshed, protests marches that turn into riots.

I see bad shit ahead no matter which way it goes. But whoever has the short stick will be told to concede by the real powers that be.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:10 AM

fishgrease,
my sense was that there were a myriad of reasons/emotions behind what the guy at the mosque was saying...i was frustrated with my friend in california...

"Let him win? Hey jenise... look at what Bush is doing... let the middle eastern guy win!"

exactly my thoughts, exactly...it was heartbreaking somehow that my friend couldn't see this...*sigh* i may be oversimplifying, but this seems at the root of this vicious cycle to me...
how's your wyoming nightscape tonight?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:13 AM

Look what Limbaugh did for Monday Night Football!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:03 AM

That was Dennis Miller. Rush was on ESPN and thought the best player in the league was over-rated because he was black. What a racist little bitch!!

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:13 AM

Mel,

~~~ And Rush has a heart attack on air screaming about voter fraud and absentee ballots. ~~~

His head explodes and his ear implants go tinkling across the studio floor!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:15 AM

~~~ That was Dennis Miller. Rush was on ESPN and thought the best player in the league was over-rated because he was black. What a racist little bitch!! ~~~

Damn! You're right!

A perfect line ruined by inaccuracy! When I use it at work tomorrow, I'll get it right. You just saved me a heap of embarrasment!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:18 AM

Jim,
What kind of box was it? And what type of linux do you like? What distro?

eya mel
dis was an ol used one
pentium 3 400 on a ol
all in one board
maybe 5 years old
used mandrake 8.1
cuzz M board so old
started with Corel
went to red hat,
mandrake,and a few
others i mainly run
suse for the big box
and knoppix when i have
to fix or recover stuff.
on other boxes (dats what
i'd start ya out on!)if
the hard drive spins
i can usually find
the data eh?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 04:19 AM

"I see bad shit ahead no matter which way it goes. But whoever has the short stick will be told to concede by the real powers that be."

mel, yeah unfortunately, that's what i see, too...just have a real bad feeling that bush will maybe not concede to the real powers that be quite so quietly...that first image of the congress men and women and their petition or whatever at the beginning of F911 still makes me cry...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:20 AM

Jenise,

~~~ how's your wyoming nightscape tonight? ~~~

Cold, last time I checked.

So much at stake on November 2nd.

So much!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:20 AM

Knoppix boots and runs off a CD, eh?

Clever!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:22 AM

"So much at stake on November 2nd."

yes...have to admit to being a little scared (not that that will stop me)...we cannot afford to lose this one. we can't.

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:23 AM

~~~ not that that will stop me ~~~

Me either. Gots my plans all made for Nevada. Already been talking to my Super out there.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:24 AM

fishgrease, are you going to nevada to register voters or to canvass?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:25 AM

Although the shadowy Monotheism and Holy War (MAHW) organization tried to take credit for the Baghdad bombing, it most likely was committed by Iraqi nationalists. It is not clear whether these post-Baath nationalists are using MAHW as a screen, or whether MAHW is grandstanding and just taking credit, or whether American intelligence organizations are using MAHW as plot device that allows the Bush administration to continue to link Iraq and al-Qaeda. (Actually, anyway, Monotheism and Holy War is a rival to al-Qaeda that refuses to share resources with it, so even if it exists it doesn't prove an al-Qaeda link to Iraq).

-- Juan Cole

Always thinking three steps ahead is our Professor!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:26 AM

one last question all before i get back to my preparations...is this nader on the florida ballot thing going to stand? has anyone heard the latest?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:27 AM

Jim,

I have Knoppix and Suse on discs but I never play with them. I should really "Do something" with knoppix. I just can't get on the net with it on my current box (Not much faster PIII than what you traded) I had Redhat for alittle while. I mean a short while but I coundn't fit it on the box I had back then. So I played around with the prompt a little. I had a book. Couldn't get the GUI. I really want to learn about Linux and maybe get a cert in it.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:27 AM

Look what Limbaugh did for Monday Night Football!
Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:03 AM//

How long till Bush start saying some seriously stupid stuff like Rush?

Posted by: wanda at September 15, 2004 04:28 AM

that first image of the congress men and women and their petition or whatever at the beginning of F911 still makes me cry...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:20 AM

Don't cry Jen. It's going to be okay in the end. There is always pain in growth and I think we're going to have to do some growing. We are a young country.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:31 AM

"How long till Bush start saying some seriously stupid stuff like Rush?"

wanda, the line between the two seems pretty thin already...wuoldn't think it would take long...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:32 AM

eya lil j

useta like fresh roe myself!
would have 5 gal buckets
i'd give to my trout
fishin buddies!
this is firm
smoked sockeye
was a good trade
150 in parts and
a day to build it
and is it delicious!
eya near 6 am yer time
u up all nite? Oh Yeah!
next time comp crashes
get a hold a me before
getting drastic, have
saved a few over the
phone ocassionally!
u need a good linux
box if yer losin
weeks of work!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 04:34 AM

mel, you're right of course...and we are very young...did you know there's a kimono shop in 'downtown' kyoto that's been standing in the same spot run by the same family for 440 years? and we think we know everything there is to know about everything...you know?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:35 AM

When Bush gets angry or backed into a hard question he starts blurting some wild shit. I think if JFK sticks him a little bit with something that happened in the last 4 years (as opposed to 35 years) he will drop that pretense and behave like the bully he is.

I'm not saying he'll lose any votes over it. His base is pretty thickheaded. But I'm sure we have enough votes already.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:36 AM

~~~ fishgrease, are you going to nevada to register voters or to canvass? ~~~

I can't go until the last week in October so I'm just going to do whatever they need done. I figger Gofer and Chauffeur. I'm taking my wife's new SUV which seats 10 so I'll be giving rides to the polls on the 2nd. Makes me feel a little less guilty about having it.

I'm also hauling a flatbed railed trailer out so I think I'm going to be moving PA systems and such around most of the time. They say it all helps.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:37 AM

~~~ is this nader on the florida ballot thing going to stand? has anyone heard the latest? ~~~

Who knows? Its the Kerry org's first test.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:40 AM

"get a hold a me before
getting drastic, have
saved a few over the
phone ocassionally!
u need a good linux
box if yer losin
weeks of work!"

i will, sunshine...seriously thought about throwing the damn thing off the roof! i don't know what a linux box is...i'm using a mac...think it's a problem with the adobe premiere software...anyway, have decided to let it go for the moment...the election is the more immediate concern right now...
last night went to buy cigarettes and there were four tiny frogs suctioned to the front of the vending machine...attracted to the light, i guess? wanted to write a haiku about it for you, but couldn't find a way to fit 'vending machine' in...lol

should go soon if i'm to make the last hours of the shrine festival...
no new information on florida anyone?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:41 AM

I think their whole campaign is truly geared toward getting us not to vote at all. The less we turn out the more of a chance that Bush has.

They've got the guns but We've got the numbers. We're gonna win yeah we're taking over.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:41 AM

~~~ is this nader on the florida ballot thing going to stand ~~~

Its gonna go to the Florida Supreme Court by sometime next week. The US Supreme court has already warned them not to bring it there.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:42 AM

frog a koo

a vending machine
and four suction froggies eh?
that is a tuff one

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 04:44 AM

AAR could use EVERY show on the air to become the NETWORK of Official Unpaid AdvisorS to Kerry/Edwards '04. Seems like the the dems would all begin to tow one line. The one coming through all the various AAR hosts from Kerry/Edwards and the DNC. They'd have to start now though.

Posted by: Crayon at September 15, 2004 04:44 AM

- When Bush gets angry or backed into a hard question he starts blurting some wild shit. -

Posted by: Mel
==============
THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE

MODERATOR: Mr. Kerry, the first question of the evening goes to you. Do you feel that the intercontinental ballistic missle maximum throw-weight as origninally set in the failed SALT II treaty is an appropriate starting point for discussions with North Korea, and why?

KERRY: Thank you, Mr. Moderator. Blah blah blah etc.

MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Kerry. And now to you, President Bush. What is your earliest childhood memory and can you tell the audience why this is important to you?

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 04:44 AM

why does the us supreme court say don't bring it there? i mean what is their justification?

the american trait of 'taking action' is what will save us, i think...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:45 AM

Ilo... LMAO

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:46 AM

"frog a koo"

LOL...LOL...: ))
i knew you could do it, sunshine! laughed as much when i saw them there as when i read your haiku...perfect, thank you

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:47 AM

ilo, you're here? nice one about the debates...afraid i'm on my way out the door again...but let me ask first, how are you doing today?

(sunshine, it's 6pm right now.)

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 04:49 AM

~~~ why does the us supreme court say don't bring it there? ~~~

Well, they've a good reason. This one is about State law only. The Republicans are the only ones who would want to take it there anyway. The State Court will be VERY hesitant to overrule the Judge who has alsready knocked Nader off the ticket. That Judge is very confident because of the 4 or 5 requirements to be on the ballot, Nader has exactly zero.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:51 AM

I don't think Nader in Florida is as bad as say Nader in Ohio or PA or Nevada. I think those old ladies that vote in droves will know the deal. He had a rally down there and more people came to see his vice pres than him. I have quite a few friends in Florida. I used to live there two years ago, mostly South Fla and they're pretty smart down there. Nevermind that hanging chad bullshit.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:51 AM

hee hee!

both doggerz in my lap
goin hey less go to
bed it's cold tonite!
g'nite u all! good luck j
swing up an visit if u can!

over, i'm out...................*

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 15, 2004 04:52 AM

ilo!

Greatness!

I gotta sleep, folks. Nite all! Power to the people!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 15, 2004 04:53 AM

Goodnight everybody.
Enjoy the rest of your day Jen.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 04:54 AM

Hi Jenise!

Yeah, I'm ok ok ok, I guess. Had a big ol' argument with W@W up-blog 'cause I've been worrying about the near-term future in ways that make some people think I am nutty.

Also - I stole some time from my employer this afternoon and wrote a big essay in response to a troll complaining about "judicial activism" -- but by the time I posted, it got stuck in the rinds of the blog (at the bottom just before a new page started up). So - I think no one read what I'd put all that work into -- and then I had to get back to work.

How are you? The weather come in bad where you live? When do you fly to darkest Ohio?

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 04:54 AM

(whisperzzzzz..... repost it ilo!)

Posted by: The Phanthom Snorkelbutt at September 15, 2004 04:57 AM

If you read this article about the poor woman getting fired from her job because of a Kerry sticker in her car window

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/13/22340/7080

Then you may want to know how to get hold of the nasty boss, to let him know what you think:

http://www.pgeddes.com/

phil@pgeddes.com

Posted by: Dylan at September 15, 2004 04:58 AM

Good night Mr. Fish!
Good night, Sunshine!
Good night (good evening) Jenise!

Mel -- are you still here?

And - what really happened to Nobody? I miss him.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 04:58 AM

George W. Bush was weaned from his mothers breast prematurely and received too little attention from his father.

Posted by: Hannibal at September 15, 2004 04:58 AM

goodnight, mel...see you soon.
goodnight, fishgrease...kick some ass (most politely, of course) in nevada...understand about supreme court...
goodnight, sunshine...if you get the chance, try 'mentaiko' spaghetti...mentaiko is the eggs of another kind of fish, i don't know which one (they're small, dark red, crunchy, spicy)...mix butter in with cooked pasta, top with mentaiko and cut-up dried seaweed...very good.

ilo, i'm constantly messing up the timing on the blog...can be frustrating, yeah? the weather here is pretty good now...seven taiphoons already this year and lots of flooding...nature is pissed...
i'm better, thanks...and by the way, i'm as worried about the near future as you are (it's even crossed my mind that i may not be able to get myself back to japan - you know?)...fly to california this coming tuesday...then to ohio until the end of october...don't know how i can best help, but will do what i can...

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:03 AM

oops, that was me up there...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 05:03 AM

I'm still hanging on Ilo.

TV gets so bad when 5 am rolls around I just watch music videos.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:04 AM

George W. Bush was weaned from his mothers breast prematurely and received too little attention from his father.
Posted by: Hannibal at September 15, 2004 04:58 AM

I tend to think too many of his brain cells were burned up while using cocaine.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:07 AM

See you in October, Jen.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:07 AM

...nature is pissed...

I saw a story with a picture in the NYTimes about how the animals don't come back to the tundra in Alaska now, and the ones that do are very sick and the whole thing might have once been avoidable if President Carter's promise of solar technology had been followed 25 years ago - but Reagan came in and de-funded the research; and the oil tyrants don't seem to have any sense of responsibility or humility or kindness. It is scary - but what makes me more angry is how it really didn't have to be this way at all.

The typhoons did not hurt your house, where you live?

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:08 AM

“I waited in the car as U.S. soldiers set up a roadblock at a major intersection. An angry American hollered at an Iraqi officer not to let any vehicles through. ‘I decide when the cars come,’ he yelled. The Iraqi cop wasn't having any of it, and he began yelling back in Arabic until a second U.S. officer calmed them both. Just then a convoy of U.S. armored vehicles charged by. An armored tow truck was pulling a still-blazing Bradley fighting vehicle through the intersection, spreading oily residue in its wake. Some of those who had been blocked at the intersection got out of their cars to cheer. Others angrily honked their horns and ordered the celebrants to get back into their cars -- not in defense of the Americans, but because they simply are sick of the bloodshed.”
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04258/378681.stm

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:10 AM

"how it really didn't have to be this way at all."

so true, ilo...true for the environment, true for politics...
we survived the taiphoons fine, but the earthquakes afterward cracked the outside wall a little...not a big deal, though...
really must go now, if i'm to catch the end of festival...
see you later, ilo...we just have to keep fighting...

looking forward to it, mel!

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 05:11 AM

Tell me where Nobody is and why he went off into hiding, and if you see him please tell him I miss him, okay?

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:13 AM

Okay - Jenise. I am glad your house is not hurt too badly and you are okay. Talk again later, okay?

Bye - for now.
:)

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:14 AM

He posted something yesterday during the show and then disappeared but I didn't see him today.

Have you gone to nobody's site, Ilo?

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:15 AM

Yeah - I did go to that site once or twice, but it's confusing to me, because there's no search mechanism and everything is just listed by date, so I couldn't see any way to really get any good out of it for me. And once I sent him an email, because his email address is at his site, but later he told me he never checks his email from there. Anyway, if you saw him earlier, that's good. I was worried that he got out-of-sorts and went into hiding. He's like has some funny moods I think, but I still kind of like him posting here. Kind of less spicy without him.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:19 AM

He loves arguing with them trolls. But sometimes he lets it get to him a little too much. We used to get into it a little. I miss him too but he'll be back. I think he's just showing us how life is without him.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:23 AM

http://ntopiaproject.blogspot.com

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:25 AM

http://www.monolithic.com/construction/index.html

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:28 AM

http://www.co.pend-oreille.wa.us/Default.htm

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 05:29 AM

Yeah - he's a big-time bother, actually, because he seems always to need to have people say, like, "Oooh! Nobody is so smart!", but why bother, because he should know he is smart and not care anyway. But, alot of guys act like that and I never understand it. Anyway - his ego sometimes is a pain in the neck for me; but now that he's been gone I miss him. Whatever! Anyway - I just don't want to think his feelings are hurt, because - you know - that type has really thin skin.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:29 AM

okay I'm going to try to get to sleep. Tomorrow is another day. Goodnight Ilo. Goodnight Lurkers and no nics.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:30 AM

Hey Mel, nice to chat a bit with you to night.
See you another time, okay?
Good night.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:34 AM

Nobody's fine... He's a grown ass man.

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:34 AM

Night

Posted by: Mel at September 15, 2004 05:35 AM

Yeah - ok - so you say. But I have dated a couple of older men, and to me, all of them are just little boys inside, each and every one of them. I sometimes don't think boys ever grow up. GWB - that's a fine example. And Clinton? I like him, but he's just a little boy, too. Guys give themselves so much freaking credit ... but I don't care. If they're not out there hurting other people, most of them are intersting enough.

Ok, Mel - and you, making sexist comments all the time, but I don't care, really. Harmless.

Anyway. Good night, Mel. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:38 AM

Good night, Nobody.
You will be back.
I know it.

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:39 AM

boopboopboopboopboop!

G'nite, blog!

Posted by: ilo at September 15, 2004 05:51 AM

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Posted by: Richard at September 14, 2004 08:16 PM

***

oil and drug money are the life support system keeping our entire financial system afloat.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tracking the covert history of CIA drug smuggling from Nicaragua to Arkansas and South Central Los Angeles, GNN sheds light on the darkest secret of the Agency's operational directorate.

http://gnn.tv/crack/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Big Oil and the War on Drugs and Terrorism

The "Big Oil" chessgame, aided and abetted by the so-called wars on drugs and terrorism, has made most of humanity its pawns and has expanded corporate control over our lives.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/OilDrugsTerrorism.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AFGHAN OPIUM PRODUCTION DOUBLES

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http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/121103_afghan_poppy.html

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Despite laws that punish marijuana cultivation more strictly than murder in some states, Americans spend more on illegal drugs than on cigarettes.

Although the official American economy has been suffering a downturn, the shadow economy is enjoying unprecedented levels of success, much in the way that the prohibition period fuelled the illegal markets in the 30s.

While the nation's largest legal cash crop, maize, produces about $19bn (£11.9bn) in revenue, "plausible" estimates for the value of marijuana crops reach $25bn. Steve White, a former coordinator for t

Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (money laundering inc.) at September 15, 2004 06:36 AM

so now suddenly bush is worried about the exploitation of people? (mining at nobody's)

Bush Orders Sanctions Against Venezuela

By GEORGE GEDDA
Associated Press Writer

September 10, 2004, 7:16 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- President Bush on Friday ordered a partial cut in U.S. assistance to Venezuela because of its alleged role in the international trafficking of women and children for sexual exploitation.

The action means the United States will not support $250 million in Venezuelan loan requests expected to come before international lending institutions during the next fiscal year, a State Department official said.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-us-venez

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 06:53 AM

...While the nation's largest legal cash crop, maize, produces about $19bn (£11.9bn) in revenue, "plausible" estimates for the value of marijuana crops reach $25bn. Steve White, a former coordinator for the US drug enforcement administration's cannabis eradication programme, estimates that the drug is now the country's largest cash crop.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,947880,00.html

Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (and welcoming committee) at September 15, 2004 06:55 AM

....

What made those scenes from Beslan so anguishing for me was that I had seen them all before. As a wartime surgeon in Chechnya I had treated the broken bodies of children - the young girl whose parents were blown up by a bomb before her eyes, the little boy whose hair turned white overnight, small bodies pierced by hundreds of pieces of shrapnel. And everywhere blood.

The scenes at Beslan weren't so unfamiliar
Khassan Baiev The Boston Globe

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?file=538399.html

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 06:55 AM

(bowing to the ladies choir, but not entirely sure if they're welcoming me) ; )

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 06:57 AM

CNN , worthless bags of cat shit.

from:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/14/michigan.poll/index.html

Poll: Michigan too close to call
(CNN) -- The race between Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry and President Bush is too close to call in the battleground state of Michigan, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Tuesday evening.

Among likely voters surveyed, Kerry was the choice of 50 percent, with 44 percent for Bush and 1 percent for independent Ralph Nader. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Among registered voters, Kerry was at 50 percent, Bush at 43 percent and Nader still at 1 percent.

_______________________________________________

If Bush was ahead in Michigan CNN would report;

Bush has 7 percentage point lead in Michgan

regardless of what the margin of error.

Posted by: Ajax at September 15, 2004 06:58 AM

good morning jenise,

just popping in to post while I'm watching this excellent video on the christian 'appropriation' of pagan symbology and wisdom.

bookmark it for when you've got two hours to watch.

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/nontesters/pharmacratic/

thank you for your wonderful blog!

Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (office of deprogramming) at September 15, 2004 07:02 AM

Bush Orders Sanctions Against Venezuela
September 10, 2004, 7:16 PM EDT
WASHINGTON -- President Bush on Friday ordered a partial cut in U.S. assistance to Venezuela because of its alleged role in the international trafficking of women and children for sexual exploitation.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-us-venez
Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 06:53 AM

Bush is seriously petty. 200M?
If venezuela decides to stop their oil pump. We gonna pay that 200M in about 20 minutes flat in gas pump.

It's bad enough Bush botches two coup attempts and a failed recall in Venezuela, now he has to embarrash us with being petty too.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 07:06 AM

good morning, ladies...you are very, very welcome...i've bookmarked it...i'll watch when i get a chance..thanks

suppression and pettiness...seems to be the order of the day, huh?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 07:11 AM

>: (

One of the marines assigned to guard duty at Guantánamo in 2003, who has since left the military, told me, after being promised anonymity, that he and his enlisted colleagues at the base were encouraged by their squad leaders to "give the prisoners a visit" once or twice a month, when there were no television crews, journalists, or other outside visitors at the prison. 

"We tried to fuck with them as much as we could - inflict a little bit of pain. We couldn't do much," for fear of exposure, the former marine, who also served in Afghanistan, told me. 

Rumsfeld's dirty war on terror 

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6898.htm

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 07:15 AM

i hate this man...truly despise him...but thank you, nobody, and you too ladies for the links
see you all later

Mr Rumsfeld told reporters on Friday he had approved the use of harsh interrogation measures, but that they had only been meant for Guantánamo. He said the measures ought to be contrasted with those of terrorists. "Does it rank up there with chopping someone's head off on television?" he asked. "It doesn't."


Bush team 'knew of abuse' at Guantánamo
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1303105,00.html

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 07:21 AM

While the United States mourns the death of more than 1,000 soldiers since the U.S.-led invasion last year, Iraqis complain that little attention is being paid to the staggering number of their own dead.

According to statistics compiled by Iraq's Health Ministry, 3,186 civilian Iraqis have been killed since April of this year alone, in violence and lawlessness across the country.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6219199

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 07:27 AM

morning ladies, miss jenise, ajax,

I'm watching democracy now's coverage of last year's miami ftaa protests.

Medea Benjamin (one of the protesters in the RNC during bush's speech) was there, and mentions that $8 million dollars from the $87 billion iraq fund was used to pay the security forces in miami.

police fired rubber bullets and other fun stuff into the crowds. protecting ftaa important. protecting people, well...

http://www.democracynow.org/static/miamimodel.shtml

Posted by: nebulous at September 15, 2004 07:30 AM

i like you nickless, nobody.

without labels, we are forced to rely on other identifying features, other senses. keeps us sharp for hunting and surviving.

this is 4u:

* *** *** *** *** *

nobody knows your trouble

he loves to burst your bubble

of narrow perspective

with liberal invective

beware right hand, his stunt double.

Posted by: nebulous at September 15, 2004 07:44 AM

ol' sunshiney jim wise shaman

wizard of psychedelic stamen

when tensions arise

shadow dons his disguise

yub the alien brings peace. amen.

Posted by: nebulous at September 15, 2004 07:54 AM

Good Morning Neb and whoever else is on.
Sorry I missed Jenise.

Imus is interviewing Kerry and it has been very interesting because as "out there" as Imus is, he let Kerry talk and asked very good questions.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 07:58 AM

with fishgrease we've all truly lucked

we laughed at the lies he debunked

novak got served

the peace map's been swerved

and hannity knows that he's fucked

Posted by: nebulous at September 15, 2004 07:59 AM

Neb,
You're becoming our poet.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:01 AM

good morning toni,

hope you're well today, in spite of the 'final days of rome' vibe.

where do you listen to imus?

who's imus?

Posted by: nebs at September 15, 2004 08:04 AM

I find limericks totally annoying, but they're addicting once you get involved.

i'm convinced it's the gateway drug leading to harder, more destructive writing ~ journalism and advertising.

anyway:

war dog, well, what can you say?

he blesses us day after day

his cynical conjecture

painting sad kerry picture

can't hide that he just wants to play

Posted by: nebs at September 15, 2004 08:10 AM

Imus: "Sen. Kerry, you voted to give the President authority to go to War with Saddam.

Sen. Kerry: "Don, We were dealing with the UN and the inspectors in Iraq looking for WMD. We voted to give the President the authority to use as a threat to Saddam to allow the inspectors in. We. the Senate advised the President to allow the inspectors to finish their inspections in Iraq, but the President and the admin had other ideas.
They rushed to war without any plan for the Peace. We were trying to tell him that he needed to wait to build the Allies and a plan for after the war."
As you should know, I am paraphrasing from my poor memory. He said so much. But at least he had a chance to talk.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:11 AM

Neb,
Imus in the Morning is on MSNBC. He gave Kerry almost 20 minutes and asked all the questions I wanted to. Maybe they will have transcripts later, I'm hoping.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:13 AM

what's up dadaluxe, my man?

can things get much stranger ~ they can

life's short, time is art

living from your heart,

fulfilling the great Dog's plan

Posted by: nebule at September 15, 2004 08:15 AM

phungus and celt with your rot

some advice from kurt vonnegut,

if foulness you spew

you'll be heard by few,

but at least you gave it a shot

Posted by: nebs at September 15, 2004 08:19 AM

Stop Congress from Stripping Power from the Judicial Branch

Congress is attempting to once again seize power from the judicial branch with highly controversial legislation that would prohibit all federal courts established by Congress from even hearing cases concerning the Pledge of Allegiance and the First Amendment.   Rather than spending the few weeks left this session on legislation designed to address the many critically issues facing our country, the Republican leadership is planning to fast-track this proposed legislation to the House floor.

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Take Action!  Urge your Representative to oppose this overreaching legislation.

 Congress seems to be addicted to court-stripping. Congress seems to be suffering from court-stripping fever this year. In addition to H.R. 2028 and the Marriage Protection Act passed earlier this year, we have seen proposals to strip the courts of jurisdiction to hear cases on the Ten Commandments and, almost laughingly, all cases that are "religious freedom-related." We must stop this dangerous trend now before we see proposals to strip the courts on everything from gun control to abortion.

http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=16436&c=42

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 08:23 AM

tonid, just here for a second...how are you feeling this morning? did you get some sleep last night? i hope so.

nebulous, nice...really, really nice

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 08:25 AM

The good news just keeps rolling in...

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CBS: Bush Poll Numbers Up

United Press International

Weakening support among Democrats for presidential nominee John Kerry has contributed to the 7-point lead President Bush now enjoys in major polls.

A new CBS poll of registered voters indicates nine out of 10 Republican respondents will vote for Bush, while only eight of 10 Democratic respondents will vote for Kerry.

CBS attributes Bush's newfound lead to two major factors: a spike in the president's approval ratings with respect to his handling of the war on terror and an increase in the public's negative perceptions of his Democratic challenger.

Bush's 7-point deficit among women before the Republican National Convention has now been converted to a 5-point lead, and his 7-point advantage among men has now grown to 15 points. He has also made significant gains among independent voters

http://www.wbex.com/script/headline_newsmanager.php?id=346323&pagecontent=nationalnews&feed_id=59

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 08:33 AM

Hi Jenise,
Thanks for asking. Last night I was finally able to sleep well. Sorry I got on too late to talk.
Was just going up blog to see what was discussed.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:36 AM

A lifetime of work will be remembered for this mistake!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A Rather false story

With questions of typography, superscript and proportional spacing filtering through cyberspace over the past week, it seems fairly clear that the memos CBS revealed on "60 Minutes II" are in fact forgeries. Allegedly written by the late Col. Jerry Killian, the memos' supporters hope they will strengthen the case against President Bush — that he received preferential treatment and that he disobeyed direct orders while in the Air National Guard during the Vietnam War. Yet efforts to prove the memos' authenticity fail on two major levels.

http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040913-090118-2497r.htm

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 08:36 AM

Good news is I spoke to my nephew again and he is not voting for Bush. We had a long talk and he thinks this country is moving in the wrong direction. He is still not sold on Kerry. My nephew is a centrist, as I am, but wants the old Repub party back. He thinks that the DEms are to far left also. I tend to agree at times.
Where oh where are the old parties.
We need the centrists back. Negotiate for the betterment of the nation.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:39 AM

September 10, 2004

Bush Poll Numbers Continue to Soar

There is no way to spin this as anything but incredible news for the president and horrible news for John Kerry. After a near flawless convention the Bush numbers are soaring through the roof according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.

First, the President leads John kerry 52%-43% among likely voters. And the underlying numbers are incredible.

Trust to Handle the Issues

Issue

Terrorism---Bush 57% Kerry 35%

Iraq---Bush 53% Kerry 37%

Economy---Bush 47% Kerry 43%

Education---Bush 46% Kerry 42%

Jobs---Bush 43% Kerry 45%

Here is the post convention bump...

Bush job approval at 52%

"Clearer stand on issues": Bush up 27% over Kerry

"Stronger leader": Bush up 27% over Kerry

"Make country safer": Bush up 19% over Kerry

Trust to handle terrorism: Bush up 22% over Kerry

Trust to handle Iraq: Bush up 16%

President Bush has not only defined John Kerry as indecisive, but has also defined the race.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/page2/archives/000565.html

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 08:52 AM

Kitty Litter
Kitty Kelley's excuse for why she doesn't have a tape of her conversation with Sharon Bush.
by Rachel DiCarlo
09/15/2004 12:00:00 AM

ON PAGE 266 of her new book The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, Kitty Kelley writes, "[The president's] sister-in-law Sharon Bush alleged that [George W. Bush] has snorted cocaine with one of his brothers at Camp David during the time their father was President of the United States. 'Not once,' she said. 'but many times.'"

The accusation is serious since the president said during his 2000 campaign that he hadn't used illegal drugs for 25 years, and had embraced a sober, religious lifestyle in 1986. His father took office in January 1989.

On the Today Show yesterday Matt Lauer, interviewing Kelley, asked her why she didn't tape record the conversation with Sharon Bush. Kelley replied that tape recorders don't work well in restaurants--there's too much noise. "It's a restaurant. I mean, it's really har--have you ever done that?"

Recalling the meeting in her author's note on page xxv Kelley writes, "[Sharon Bush and I agreed to meet on April 1, 2003, at a quiet restaurant. When I arrived, the Chelsea Bistro on West Twenty-Third Street was empty." So, Kelley was unable to get the conversation on a tape recorder because they ate a "quiet" and "empty" restaurant where the noise was so loud that it precluded the use of one.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/626coxfj.asp

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 08:54 AM

September 15, 2004
Vote Drives Gain Avid Attention of Youth in '04
By TIMOTHY EGAN

ORTLAND, Ore. - Four years ago, the presidential election was not even white noise to Marie Reyes. She had bigger concerns, like, um, anything except that whole Social Security lockbox thing that Al Gore and George Bush kept talking about.

"There was nothing in that election that I felt even remotely related to my life," said Ms. Reyes, who is 22.

But now, even with a full college classload, a baby and a part-time job, she spends nearly 20 hours a week in Albuquerque, her hometown, trying to get other young people to register to vote.

What happened to change Ms. Reyes was not just the issues - terrorism, the Iraq war and college costs, she said - but simple math.

"It hit me the same way it hits other people when I tell them: New Mexico was decided by 366 votes - I mean, that's how many people I expect to register, because I think I can do 300 easy," she said.

Ms. Reyes is part of the clipboard army scouring malls, public squares, concerts, county fairs and schools this year in search of what campaign managers consider the most malleable of electoral quarry: the young, unregistered voter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/politics/campaign/15youth.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:54 AM

As much as you rail on the issue War Dog...you must consider that the White House has accepted the documents without question...

Nice try at obfuscation though...

And to stifle the specualtion as to what I'm doing lately...I'm busy, I do not need "told that I'm smart" I'm insulted by the suggestion that I'd be so emotionally shallow...Hell I'm insulted by every bullshit emotion that gets attributed to me.

When I'm not busy I will spend some time around here but for the near future I've simply got better things to do.

If I leave any void...fill it yourselves.

And War Dog stop rehashing old crap that's out of date, skewed and presented with a bias...you're a disengenuous putz that will be paying the price for your actions long into your future.

Posted by: Nobody at September 15, 2004 08:54 AM

September 15, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Mr. Bush's Glass House
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

resident Bush's paramount problem with his National Guard years is not that he took shortcuts in 1972. The problem is that he still refuses to come clean about it.

So as we get caught up in the furor over the CBS documents showing favoritism in President Bush's National Guard career, let's bear a couple of points in mind.

First, there's reason to be suspicious of some of those CBS documents. For starters, a Guard veteran who worked with the supposed author, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, tells me that abbreviations in the documents are wrong. He says group should be "GP" rather than "GRP," there should be no period after "Lt," and Mr. Bush's Social Security number should have been used rather than his old service number.

Second, we shouldn't be distracted by our doubts about the CBS documents. There's no doubt that Mr. Bush benefited from favoritism. The speaker of the Texas House has acknowledged making the call to get Mr. Bush into the National Guard.

Does any of this matter? What troubles me is less Mr. Bush's advantage three decades ago and more his denial today. Mr. Bush's own route to avoid the draft underscores the disparities in America, yet his policies seem based on a kind of social Darwinism in which the successful make their own opportunities. His tax cuts and entire outlook seem rooted in ideas not of noblesse oblige, but of noblesse entitlement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/opinion/15kris.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position=

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:57 AM

moniker of the DAY!!!

Posted by: disengenuous putz at September 15, 2004 08:58 AM

Toni!

good farkin' morning!

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 08:58 AM

ON THIS DAY

On Sept. 15, 1963, four children were killed when a bomb went off during Sunday services at a black Baptist church in Birmingham, Alabama.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 08:59 AM

BIBI, Mornin to you too.
Another day of crap!?! Yes.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:00 AM

Does any of this matter? What troubles me is less Mr. Bush's advantage three decades ago and more his denial today. Mr. Bush's own route to avoid the draft underscores the disparities in America, yet his policies seem based on a kind of social Darwinism in which the successful make their own opportunities. His tax cuts and entire outlook seem rooted in ideas not of noblesse oblige, but of noblesse entitlement.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:02 AM

Okla. Senate Candidate Is Accused of Fraud

By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 15, 2004; Page A03

TULSA, Sept. 14 -- One of the most competitive Senate races in the country turned nasty this week, as former GOP congressman and obstetrician Tom Coburn has had to respond to published reports that he committed Medicaid fraud 14 years ago.

The allegation stems from a medical malpractice suit brought by a 20-year-old woman who said that Coburn, without her permission, removed one of her fallopian tubes, which left her sterilized. The case never went to trial, but court documents first reported this week by Salon.com show that Coburn withheld information about the sterilization in submitting a bill to Medicaid for a related procedure involving a troubled pregnancy because the Medicaid program does not cover the sterilization of anyone younger than 21. Coburn said he withheld the information to ensure the woman was reimbursed for the cost of removing the other fallopian tube in which a fetus was lodged.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21673-2004Sep14.html?referrer%3Demail

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:06 AM

An OB/GYN that loves his patient, as Pres Bush says.
Loves the patient, cheats medicaid.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:07 AM

good mornin toni and nobody and war dog and bibi!
war dog im thinking this in going to back fire on your peples plans:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/14/223720.shtml

if they are go forward with that im seeing all the media are rally round dan rather. jusn my pinion.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:09 AM

Nebulous was laying some eloquent lines on us this AM wasn't he?

How's yer jointz treating you t'day, girl?

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:10 AM

Bush's Words Contradict Agenda
Praise for Putin Clashes With U.S. Promotion of Democracy

By Glenn Kessler and Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 15, 2004; Page A17

On Sunday, President Bush visited the Russian Embassy to pay his respects to the victims of last week's terrorist attack at a Russian school and to express his admiration of Russian President Vladimir Putin. "Please pass on my very best wishes to President Vladimir Putin, a man who I admire," Bush told the Russian ambassador.

The next day, Putin announced plans that would significantly bolster his power by ending the popular election of governors and independent lawmakers.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell cautioned Russia against moving away from the democratic process and democratic reforms in pursuing terrorists. (Shaun Heasley -- Reuters)

While Bush administration officials, such as Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, quickly raised questions yesterday about whether Putin's action will strangle democracy in Russia, outside experts said the administration's gentle handling of Putin stands in stark contrast to the president's repeated pledges to promote democracy and freedom around the world.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21557-2004Sep14.html

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:11 AM

How's yer jointz treating you t'day, girl?

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:10 AM

Today we are expecting lots of rain and storms later in the day so the Front is starting to come in and of course the pain comes with the Front.
But I will get through as usual.

Fell really bad about the people in the way of the Hurrican, again.

We have a big deficit from the idiot war on Iraq and Mother Nature sent us another blow.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:15 AM

And War Dog stop rehashing old crap that's out of date, skewed and presented with a bias...you're a disengenuous putz that will be paying the price for your actions long into your future.

Posted by: Nobody at September 15, 2004 08:54 AM

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Mornin Nobody..

With things developing in the election the way they have..

I've been thinking about what Bush is going to do after he was reelected..

You know they've really been holding back in Iraq..

Just not good PR to go on the offensive before November..

But after the election when Kerry is tucked away back in the Senate..

It will be time for a major counterattack on this insurgency!

We have had the city of Fallujah surrounded for months..

Time will have run out for Fallujah!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 09:17 AM

hmmm. im maybe catch hell fore this but ima ask anyways. war dog kerry is work in the senate? im believ that like im believe bush is work on him ranch.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:20 AM

perhaps it's a warning?

I remember someone writing about when the last space shuttle blew up and the wreckage was scattered over Texas, Bush should have seen it as a sign NOT to go to war.

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:21 AM

a tip o' my cap to muck, nobody, and the dog in the yard.

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:22 AM

bibi god must have told him itn good idea

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:23 AM

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/nontesters/pharmacratic/

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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (we absolutely adore entheogens) at September 15, 2004 06:17 AM

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Posted by: at September 15, 2004 09:26 AM

Muck, not God, that voice in his head he thinks is God.
Delusional president hears voices.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 09:27 AM

I understand he speak THROUGH him, not TO him.

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:27 AM

Son of Sam was a black lab retriever...

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:28 AM

I understand he speak THROUGH him, not TO him.

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:27 AM

-------

claims bush with the brain of a cod
democracy stuff is so odd
he says with a gloat
you don’t need to vote
‘cause I get my nod from god

Posted by: RWiley at September 15, 2004 09:31 AM

Well you could be right Mucki..

But I don't really think it makes any difference in Iraq..

Given the same choice of securing the election in January..

Or turning the country over to the insurgents..

President Kerry would have no choice but to attack Fallujah..

Sistani wants the election in January..

And if we ever hope to disengage that election must take place..

We're not talking about Nader or Dean..

President Kerry is a good war dog!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 09:31 AM

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/
Noam Chomsky Blog Archive

Posted by: Pharoh Dava at September 15, 2004 09:33 AM

hep hep

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 09:33 AM

we are move next to old graveyard now and im swear im see peples walk past door now and then and when im check no one there. im not think itn god tho. but it culd be ole sam bass. im hear he in bury there and is got kill nearby.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:34 AM

some one told me there was a death in my apartment,so i just talk out loud every once in a while to the ghost, stuff like, wanna come with me to class? wanna go see a show. i sleep pretty good...

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 09:36 AM

CBS News and anchorman Dan Rather have entered the journalistic equivalent of one of Dante’s circles of Hell, forced to live forever with a scandal they created. With their Texas Air National Guard forgeries, they now live in a neighborhood of national media embarrassments. Faked Food Lion resumes. Staged GM pickup truck explosions. Janet Cooke’s profile of Jimmy the eight-year-old coke addict. Jayson Blair’s phony travelogues from "West Virginia."

Watergate was a scandal Mr. Rather thoroughly enjoyed, since he built his career on ripping into Richard Nixon. Now Rather is Nixon, a bitter, vengeful man who allowed his friends to use dirty tricks against his political opponents and when caught, can only deny, deny, deny and bluster about the evil intentions of his enemies.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 09:37 AM

http://www.zogby.com/

"Zogby Interactive Survey in Progress
Click Here to Participate"

On the main page, right-hand side, you can click and choose to click and choose. It was interesting, only took a few moments, and as a reward for participating they give you access to a few reports.
If you don't want to participate, at least take a gander at Boo!-sh job performance perception graph :)

Posted by: Poll Cat at September 15, 2004 09:38 AM

Limricked again!
Mornin' RW--

Did it get cold up there last night?

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:39 AM

im just not want it to be david icke lizard peples.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:40 AM

The ultimate excuse came from Rather himself, insisting his critics have to prove him wrong: "Until someone shows me definitive proof that they are not, I don't see any reason to carry on a conversation with the professional rumor mill." Mr. Rather, you have it completely backward. The responsibility is yours to get it right in the first place.

Posted by: at September 15, 2004 09:40 AM

nonymous thatn just way bushchainey is skirt the issue.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:42 AM

right wing douchebag!

Posted by: bob novak vinegar and water cocktail at September 15, 2004 09:43 AM

if you going be troll at least get em nic like war dog is have and give link. also make shure you are have sumthin relevant sides em pinion peace. let me know if you are need help. we are help you be a good litter troll.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:48 AM

right wing douchebag!

Posted by: bob novak vinegar and water cocktail at September 15, 2004 09:43 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good morning Janeane..

Nice to have you with us..

But you really didn't respond to the anonymous post..

It was pointed out last night after the show..

That this kind of a reply, is not a reply at all..

And is very much the reason the Democrats are losing this election!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 09:49 AM

Cuba's world view

On its international news page it covers three stories: political reform in Russia, the possible trial of General Pinochet in Chile and also alongside a large photograph of protesters at the recent Republican convention in New York, a piece about election monitors preparing to travel to the US expecting irregularities, as it says, in the forthcoming elections.

Granma is the official paper of Cuba's Communist Party and it is incidentally named after the boat in which Fidel Castro returned to Cuba in the 1950s to start the Cuban revolution.

It runs to eight pages, has no advertising and costs just under half a British penny.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3658410.stm

pinko propaganda.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 09:49 AM

pinko propaganda? at least itn come at a good price. how much are cost the neo-con rags?

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:51 AM

For you Muck, I think you'll like:

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/nontesters/pharmacratic/

watch the video when you get a chance.

Posted by: ghost of noam chomsky at September 15, 2004 09:52 AM

yet further proof of a promise not kept:

http://www.glcq.com/new_document.htm

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 09:53 AM

pro-pinko sarcasm here.

just seeing the words no advertising makes me salivate.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 09:53 AM

How old is Castro now?

When you think of what Cuba could've been..

When you think of how Cuba could've been the Maui of the Caribbean..

And how the people of Cuba could've led such a wonderful life..

Living on a great Island..

You have to wonder how evil can live that long!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 09:54 AM

thanks. ima e-mail that addy to myself for safe keps. later im put link to it on my blog.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 09:54 AM

read the article war dog.
I don't see bush heading into the eyeof an oncoming hurricane to rally the people.

afterwards sure....
like always.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 09:55 AM

Just not a big fan of those failed systems..

The real test will be when the old boy dies..

How many minutes do you think it will take..

Before the counterrevolution seeks its revenge!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 10:00 AM

fidelito is make purdy good cigars

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 10:04 AM

hmmm. ima not agree halfempty on this but he was always tell me itn becuz the system not tried in the right places.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 10:06 AM

http://www.thebitchgirls.us/

can't tell if this a neocon site....
very pro gun.
to the point of feardom.
or its sarcasm.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:07 AM

"When you think of how Cuba could've been the Maui of the Caribbean..
And how the people of Cuba could've led such a wonderful life.."

wardog, why would cubans highest aspirations be to be a resort for rich americans to visit?
they tried that remember? cuba was a casino for frank sinatra and his friends...remember?
perhaps being our playground is not enough for some countries in this world.
as for the poverty, does the phrase 'us sanctions' mean anything to you?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:09 AM

ima pro-gun. war dog im give you this story you are see how the man is step on our neck:

DETROIT (AP) - Democrat John Kerry has a new campaign worker helping him drum up support in Alabama after hiring a woman who was fired for displaying the presidential candidate's bumper sticker on her car.

Kerry called Lynne Gobbell on Tuesday after reading a newspaper story describing how she had been fired last Thursday from her job packing cellulose insulation at a Moulton, Ala., plant.

Gobbell said her former employer had told her she could either work for him or Kerry. She said Kerry told her, "Let him know that as of today, you're working for John Kerry."

"He was proud of me for standing up for what I believe in," the newly employed, 41-year-old said of her quick phone call with the candidate.

Gobbell said Kerry didn't offer too many details about her new position. She will be helping the campaign and may be traveling a little as it gets closer to the election.

She could receive help from another corner, as well. A liberal Web site, AMERICAblog.org, began raising money for Gobbell on Monday night after learning of her dismissal. John Aravosis, who runs the site, said he collected $1,800 over a 24-hour period.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-elect/2004/sep/14/091401244.html

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 10:10 AM

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7067

neo-con journalist vs. 30 protestors in the tank at rnc

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:11 AM

"the man is step on our neck"

Grab his ankle, knock him on his ass, and kick 'im in the tenders, I say!
Then run away fast...

Posted by: Fight Back at September 15, 2004 10:16 AM

wardog, why would cubans highest aspirations be to be a resort for rich americans to visit?
they tried that remember? cuba was a casino for frank sinatra and his friends...remember?
perhaps being our playground is not enough for some countries in this world.
as for the poverty, does the phrase 'us sanctions' mean anything to you?

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:09 AM

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The revolution has worked out so well hasn't it?

They have the best educated poverty stricken people in the world!

Keep those damn cruise ships out of the harbor!

Keep the casinos out of the city's!

No resorts on our beaches!

We will try to sneak tourists in the back door for a nickel on the dollar!

When you fight against capitalism, you lose every time!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 10:18 AM

Sept. 15, 2004 | WASHINGTON -- Over the last three years, the group of 9/11 widows turned activists dubbed the "Jersey Girls" have become a fixture on the Washington political scene. Some of them are Republicans, others Democrats or independents. But they are all determined to hold official Washington accountable for the attacks that killed their husbands and nearly 3,000 others. They have held news conferences, lobbied members of Congress, pored over documents, and forced the White House to accept an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Along the way, the women have learned about coverups, obfuscation, political cowardice, deceptions and the dangers of eschewing international alliances for a go-it-alone foreign policy.

And their conclusion: For the sake of the country's future, John Kerry must replace George W. Bush.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/15/widows/

Posted by: bibimimi at September 15, 2004 10:20 AM

-When you fight against capitalism, you lose every time!-

keep repeating that to your self, it drwons out the bay of pigs, afganistan, vietnam, korea, Iraq very nicely.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:23 AM

wardog, the us was hostile to castro et al from the beginning...i have no idea how the revolution would have worked out if we'd left them alone and neither do you...it's entirely possible that cuba would not have chosen to fight capitalism - only both parties have to get something out of it...you cannot demand that they do exactly as we would have them and then impose sanctions when they don't...we would never stand for it...why would they?
the poverty comes from our sanctions, wardog...so are you proud of us?
again, not everybody wants to turn their country into a playground for americans...which seems to be your vision for the world.

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:24 AM

* Registering is only half the battle. Almost half of registered unmarried women don't vote. If they turned out in numbers, unmarried women would be the largest voting bloc and would be the deciding "X" factor in close elections.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:28 AM

Hi again,
Computer froze. Had to de-infest it again.
No real viruses, jest those pesky adware and spyware stuff.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 10:38 AM

goddamer im shuld check my e-mail moren offen.

Posted by: muck4doo at September 15, 2004 10:41 AM

What Bush reaps...so shall he sow....

Hell on Haifa Street: bomb kills 47 in Baghdad
By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad
15 September 2004

Pools of blood, broken glass and discarded shoes were spread across Haifa Street in Baghdad yesterday after a bomb exploded outside a police station, leaving a crater seven feet across.

The blast tore through a crowd of young men who were trying to get jobs in the police force. Forty-seven people were killed and at least 114 wounded.

Charred body parts hung from trees and birds killed by the blast lay scattered across the street in one of Baghdad's busiest shopping districts, which has become a front line in the spreading insurrection against Iraq's US-backed government.

The explosion was caused by a suicide bomber who blew up a car filled with artillery shells. "There was a loud explosion and suddenly my body was covered in blood," said Yassin Hamid, 21, as he lay in a nearby hospital. "I decided to join the police to help my family."

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=561788

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 10:41 AM

tonid, glad to see you slept well last night...i suppose we'll have more sleepless nights before nov. 2...myself, i've been getting twitchy muscles under my eyes - mostly after reading about iraq or election-stealing attempts in florida, etc!

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:43 AM

Jenise, I am sure more sleepless nights.
Glad my nephew came around. That bothered me because I know how he really feels deep down. He's a good man and a Viet Vet.
Just listening to the faux news too much.
I will post something from moveon.org re paper ballots and bills to improve voting that need to be passed.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 10:46 AM

poverty comes from our sanctions, wardog...so are you proud of us?
again, not everybody wants to turn their country into a playground for americans...which seems to be your vision for the world.

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:24 AM

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Of course there isn’t much of a point arguing about another failed system..

But I believe Cuba had the whole world is a trading partner..

Hardly anyone paid any attention to the US sanctions..

And of course why would that system need to help of United States!

And don't forget the Soviet Union carried Castro until it broke their back!

And their system failed!

No, I'm just not a fan of those failed systems!

Fighting capitalism is like fighting freedom you're gonna lose every time!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 10:46 AM

Dear MoveOn member,

With just a few weeks left until Election Day, it's increasingly
urgent that Congress act now to ensure that we all have a chance to
vote on Voter Verified Paper Ballots.

Members of Congress will only be in Washington for a couple of weeks
before leaving to hit the campaign trail. We've got to demand
immediate action on two key federal bills that would require paper
ballots: a Senate bill sponsored by a Republican, Sen. John Ensign,
and a House bill sponsored by a Democrat, Rep. Rush Holt.

Urge your Senators to:

"Please co-sponsor Senator Ensign's 'Voting Integrity and
Verification Act,' # S 2437."

Urge your Representative to:

"Please co-sponsor Rep. Holt's 'Voter Confidence and
Increased Accessibility Act,' # HR 2239."

P.S.: For more information on Voter-Verified Paper Ballots, see:

http://www.verifiedvoting.org

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 10:48 AM

n fighting freedom is fightin god.

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:48 AM

Just got my verification for being an election judge. Have to attend a class which I am looking forward to. We have computer voting, but we get paper confirmation.
You slide your ballot in and get a confirmation back. I just want to see if tampering is possible.

Posted by: tonid at September 15, 2004 10:51 AM

tonid, i'll look for the moveon.org stuff...it is good news about your nephew...my father is a moderate republican, but he says he's voting for kerry this time...but i keep checking just to make sure, you know?

was waiting for wardog's reply, but i guess it's not coming...just a message to the world: take our dollars, build resorts for us and shut up! geez...

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 10:51 AM

Things are back to normal in Lee county this morning, but not after a tense night at a Beattyville prison. Just after 7:00p.m., inmates rioted, setting fire to three buildings.

Officials aren't sure what sparked the riot, or how the prisoners were able to start the fires. Right now there's no word how many inmates were involved.

vermont and kentucky?
No inmates escaped during the riot. 8 prisoners suffered minor injuries. Here's some background for you.

The Lee Adjustment Center is a privately-run prison, owned by Corrections Corporation of America based in Nashville.

The facility holds about 800 men, 400 hundred from Kentucky, the other half from Vermont.

http://www.wtvq.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WTVQ/MGArticle/TVQ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031777957661&path=!home

Posted by: passiveconsumer at September 15, 2004 10:54 AM

With this election just about to wrap up..

You folks need to be careful not to make the emotional investment in John Kerry that you made in Al Gore!

You remember what it felt like after the 2000 elections were over!

What you should do, is get excited about the 2008 elections..

That will be a great contest!

The Republicans will have nobody in the on deck circle..

And Hillary will have a four-year campaign for the presidency.

Now I don't hate John Kerry..

He is a good war dog!

But that Hillary, she is a different story!

Now that is going to be an interesting race!

Posted by: War Dog at September 15, 2004 10:55 AM

U.S. Shift on Iraq Funds Worries Lawmaker

Wednesday September 15, 2004 3:31 PM
By KEN GUGGENHEIM
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration's plans to divert $3.46 billion in Iraq reconstruction funds for security could increase dangers in the long run, the Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Wednesday.

Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., also said the slow pace of spending on reconstruction ``means that we are failing to fully take advantage of one of our most potent tools to influence the direction of Iraq.''

State Department officials appeared before Lugar's panel seeking lawmakers' support for the shift of funds, which needs congressional approval. The proposal would cover almost of a fifth of the $18.4 billion approved by Congress last year, mostly for water, electricity and other public works projects. The money was part of an $87 billion package for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The request comes as heavy fighting continues between U.S.-led forces and a variety of Iraqi insurgents. The violence and bureaucratic delays have slowed spending of reconstruction funds. Lugar said only $1.14 billion has been spent as of Sept. 8, almost a year after it had been approved by Congress.

Lugar said the reconstruction spending is important for winning the support of Iraqis. Efforts to improve security should be aimed at allowing the projects to proceed, he said.

``If the shift of these funds slows down reconstruction, security may suffer in the long run. In short, security and reconstruction must be achieved simultaneously,'' he said.

Democrats say the request demonstrates the administration's poor planning for the war and its unrealistic optimism that U.S. forces would be greeted as liberators and that Iraqis could pay for their own reconstruction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4496675,00.html

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Posted by: Nik E Poo at September 15, 2004 11:03 AM

Why are you still pissing on the blog War Dog?

You do realize that it is no better than torture.

It's just a different degree of it. Were you like GW and shot at your siblings?

So tired, of coming here and seeing you shit and piss on people that are caring and kind.

Why don’t you expend you energy towards electing the loser you stand behind.

Coming here will not help your cause.

Posted by: stubs at September 15, 2004 11:07 AM

funny, wardog, i thought reagan broke the soviet union's back...and by fighting freedom, you mean what's going on in iraq right now?

just watching the news, DPJ and the communist party have finally placed responsibility for japan's involvement in iraq with koizumi....this is good news.

see you guys later. keep fighting.

Posted by: jenise at September 15, 2004 11:09 AM

Upon your suggestion, I sent an email this morning to Jim Lehrer at NewsHour. I encourage others to so the same!

Attn: Jim Lehrer

I have been watching the NewsHour for years and have always appreciated your reporting and commentary.

It is in this spirit that I implore you to ask both of the presidential candidates tough questions during the debate you will moderate later this month. We Americans (and you are included in this group) deserve to hear difficult, thought provoking questions geared towards the issues AND have them answered before this crucial election. Why not take Peter Jennings advice to throw out the ridiculous rules and ask the questions that journalists should/need to be asking of our elected officials.

We citizens rely on your ability to get 'in front' of the candidates and once there - we demand that you hold our leaders accountable.
We rely on you for so much and I don't want you to let us down.

Please...reread this letter now, and then do the difficult thing and 'step up' for us...the citizens that you help inform, the citizens that the politicians work for.

Thank you for your time!

Posted by: Amalia at September 15, 2004 12:36 PM