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September 13, 2004

post show post

thanks to...

Sarah Silverman, actress, writer, comedian.

Jose Rivera, writer, producer and screenwriter for "The Motorcycle Diaries," the forthcoming movie about the young Che Guevara.

George Farah, Executive Director of Open Debates, and author of "No Debate: How the Republican and Democratic Parties Secretly Control the Presidential Debates."

*** DON'T LET THIS ELECTION BE STOLEN ***

Bev Harris, an investigative journalist, has shown how it might be. You can read about it at Black Box Voting.

Air America is trying to get Harris a bigger platform by getting her booked on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Email Oprah and suggest she book Harris.

*** "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Theodore Roosevelt

So says the new blog Outraged Moderates, which specializes in primary sources and government documents to show how Bush has alienated the mainstream.

*** You've got until October 2nd to check out Ani DiFranco's "Vote Dammit" Tour. The details.

Posted by not sam at September 13, 2004 09:15 PM

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Under the Harvest Moon

Under the harvest moon,
When the soft silver
Drips shimmering
Over garden nights,
Death, the gray mocker,
Comes and whispers to you
As a beautiful friend
Who remembers.

Under the summer roses
When the flagrant crimson
Lurks in the dusk
Of the wild red leaves,
Love, with little hands,
Comes and touches you
With a thousand memories,
And asks you
Beautiful, unanswerable questions.
- Carl Sandburg

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:00 PM

la la la

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:01 PM

do wop do wop do wop

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:01 PM

Evening Shelly

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:01 PM

Akuna Matata

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:02 PM

Last!

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 10:02 PM

hi tonid! howz it going?
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:03 PM

Funny show!

Thank you Sammer & Janeane

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:04 PM

peaches.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:04 PM

fancy fontted fancy cant's

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:05 PM

who's up for frisbee?

Posted by: ja at September 13, 2004 10:05 PM

CRACKER!!!

xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:05 PM

frisbee?

(the doggers earz went up when i typed it!)

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:07 PM

So far so good Shell..how bout you?

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:07 PM

The October Surprise: GW chokes while drinking water at the debate and is found to be brain dead; Dick becomes President

Posted by: Dr. Zimmerman Robert at September 13, 2004 10:08 PM

friszbeeeeee! fun! hey ja is the music working yet? last i checked it wasn't about an hour or two ago..

hi terry wilke!!
i saw sarah "gotcha" during the show...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:08 PM

we hope...that he chokes...that he chokes...

Posted by: ja at September 13, 2004 10:09 PM

anyone who doesnt understand the majority report humor must not have a clear picture of the issues at stake

when you discuss serious stuff, somtimes you have to f around to preserve your sanity

if you look at the starvation, torture and death thats happening every day...right now...then it makes sense that sometimes you need to goof off to keep from going crazy

in the face of the daily DAILY atrocities,
presidential elections are horse races
and 911 was a couple big buildings falling down

and if you cant laugh, they've already won

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:10 PM

heres the deal,
im leavin the library to pull a bart,
be back soon n maybe when my laptop is online
it'll be accessable.
i hope cause i feel way dumb.
brb

Posted by: ja at September 13, 2004 10:11 PM

LOOK, smarty-pants: you leave a few folks out. The wealthiest 26,000 families in America have a combined net worth greater than the poorest 90,000,000 families in America.

This disparity is worse than the feudal monarchy the American colonialists revolted against; although it is more-or-less on par with modern Brazil. Happy times for you & yours!

Posted by: ilo

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM

g'nite gang!
clients...damn clients!
peace
L@L
*prep & crash*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM

Hey, blogg-o friends, would you do me the honor o defending me while I hav dinner?
Some troll (zogby?) has decided to come at me with obscenity laden personal attacks.

shut them down while I'm gone?

I'd hate them to think I'm giving them a freepass.

Be back in a couple hours. or not, got some morning things I have to do.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM

sunshiney j!! heya!!
:)

all's well tonid...although yesterday i did meet a 20 year old girl and she was telling me how she gets in to fist fights with other girlz...she sounded so proud of herself and i felt really bad. i felt ill listening to the ways she beat the other girls up...really a trip man...

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:13 PM

good night LL!
*snark kisses*
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:14 PM

hi terry wilke!!
i saw sarah "gotcha" during the show...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:08 PM

Sammy wouldn't ask the question though, I don't think he understood the context.

How are you tonight adorable one?

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:15 PM

Dear terry,

Thank you for your e-mail! Your message is important to us. Unfortunately, due to the volume of e-mail messages we receive every day, we cannot guarantee that you'll receive a personal response. Feel free to check out our Frequently Asked Questions for additional help.

Thanks again for writing to us!

Sincerely,
The Oprah.com Staff

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:16 PM

Why did she think it wa so great to beat girls up?
She must have an inferiority complex and beating people up must make her feel better.
Or she has been abused and that's all she knows.

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:16 PM

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

The 14 Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism

1. KARL ROVE/GEORGE W. BUSH et al.
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

2. ALONZO GONZALES/DONALD RUMSFELD/JOHN ASHCROFT
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

3. JOHN ASHCROFT/TOM RIDGE/GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY et al.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

4. DICK CHENEY/PAUL WOLFOWITZ/DOUGLAS FEITH/DONALD RUMSFELD et al.
Supremacy of the Military

5. JOHN ASHCROFT/SANITORUM/TRENT LOTT et al.
Rampant Sexism

6. KARL ROVE/JOHN ASHCROFT/FCC/FOX NEWS et al.
Controlled Mass Media -

7. KARL ROVE/GEORGE W. BUSH/TOM RIDGE/JOHN ASHCROFT
Obsession with National Security

8. GEORGE W. BUSH/JOHN ASHCROFT/APOSTOLIC CONGRESS
Religion and Government are Intertwined

9. DICK CHENEY/GEORGE W. BUSH/JOHN ASHCROFT
Corporate Power is Protected

10. GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY et al.
Labor Power is Suppressed

11. GEORGE W. BUSH/KARL ROVE/FOX NEWS et al.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

12. USAPATRIOT ACT/DEMONSTRATION ARRESTS/ JOHN ASHCROFT et al.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13. DICK CHENEY/GEORGE W. BUSH/KENNETH LAY et el.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

14. JEB BUSH/KARL ROVE/KATHERINE HARRIS/ANTONIN SCALIA
Fraudulent Elections

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:17 PM

Why do the Republicans hate America?

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/9369/gopmocks.jpg

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 10:17 PM

Republicans are childish immature greedy gluttonous selfish egotistical narcissistic self-important pompous pretentious terrible twos type babies, spawned from the womb of immorality.

It's not that I can’t be slimy like a republican, it's that I won't.

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:03 PM
==================
Sadly, your critique of the Republican wworld-view is too true, Terry Wilke.

Despite all the hot air and bloviating nonsense of the RightWingNuts, it is truly the progessives on the left who love democracy and who honor life.

We on the left know that our future depends on the love and the life we provide for children. Republicans - who disapprove government provided neonatal healthcare, and who deny the importance of rebuilding our public school system - genuinely place their own temporary self-interest over the long-term health of our democracy.

Indeed, the Republicans quest for material happiness is not only misplaced, it also is horribly harmful to all children - including their own.

"Everyone's so busy getting rich, they've forgotten how to have relationships, how to be good parents and how to live,'' said Dr. Herbert J. Freudenberger, a psychoanalyst. "I'm seeing more discontentedness than ever before. The pressure to make money, to succeed and to keep up an expensive life style has become so intense, so all-consuming, that work has become the be-all, end-all."

These Republican lovers of Mammon love money more than their own children.

The children cannot afford to have such sociopathic persons hijack our democracy.

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:18 PM

yeah it was about her material right?

i'm excellent actually, thanks. my cat wendel has made a splendid recovery from his undiagnosed illness...all 19 cats are in perfect health so that can't be bad...

what have you been up to? have an assistant yet ter?

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:18 PM

Hi Terry,
Heard from Dar yesterday. Her daughter Amy not doing so well after her baby was born. Did you hear from her at all?

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:18 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM

He or she pays the sweat wages for the wealthy, money comes from somewhere right?

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:19 PM

Why does Oprah hate America?

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 10:19 PM

dogshit daschle is behind in SD
Thune is leading
R gains in the Senate
break filibuster
get good judges
dems cry a lot

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:19 PM

I hope this quote is true. If so we need to fire up Kerry.

Man is so made that when anything fires his soul, impossibilities vanish.~ Jean De La Fontaine

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:21 PM

Yay Wendal Cat!!!!!

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 10:21 PM

Or she has been abused and that's all she knows.

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:16 PM

well i tried to have her remember about her first fist fight, and she said it was a girl who called her mother a crack whore, or coke whore or something to that effect...
i can't imagine what that must have been like for her...but i hope if she keeps coming over her she'll emerge as the beautiful girl that she is...her teeth are sort of rotting...and she has no money and hasn't passed high school yet...like most of the kids i meet up here...

but she really got excited when she saw my book library...so i loaned her some books she liked...like be here now...

she was talking about "manifest destiny" and i heard jg say that tonight...i need to find out what that means...

(sorry i'm babbling again T)
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:22 PM

"Everyone's so busy getting rich, they've forgotten how to have relationships

ilo, wanna make love? (:-) be happy join a Republican

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:23 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM
----------------------
When the wealth is more evenly spread through the population - when all boats rise - more is spent on products and services that businesses provide, thus more income is available to workers to purchase more products and services that business provide, etc.

When wealth accumulates in the hands of a few, and the poor get poorer and the middle class shrinks then businesses fail. Incomes fall even further. Investment has no domostic outlet so it goes abroad. The Rich do fine, the rest drown in the ever widening divide. Nations fail.

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 10:24 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM
==========================
Moses did not come down the mountain and decry that you must work for two full years in order to earn what the CEO makes in ONE DAY.

No other modern industrialized country interprets democracy to be economic tyranny, as you do.

Are you a patsy? Or, do you simply not understand the meaning of a decimal point when discussing economic principles?

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:24 PM

Tonid,

No I haven't heard anything at all; she is a sweet lady with a lot of trouble of her own. Hope her fortunes turn up.

If you hear from her again will you express our concern and ask her if she needs a hand?

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:24 PM

>>I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Didn't I hear that originally on Rush Limbaush?

My ride hasn't showed up yet, so I 'll chime in a bit more.

Where are all the jobs that were supposed to come from Bush's tax cuts. Remember the big talk about `a job for everyone that wants one'?

Are they in India or China?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 13, 2004 10:24 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 10:25 PM

hi 13ben!!
:)

dada....totally! laughter is our universal language eh?

mel...cool huh! typical of kitties he recovered immediately following the blood tests that showed nothing...but the vet gives us a good discount...but man that's twice now that i've put out money to diagnose a cat and they get well right after the tests...

so what's up mel? what have you been doing lately?

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:25 PM

This is my story.
This is my song.
Praising my savior
all the day long.

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 10:25 PM

Subject: hello dear friend
Date: September 12, 2004 1:54:03 PM PDT

Dear Cat-Sea
This is the first chance I have had to get away. It has been a nightmare here! Amy took a turn for the worst. 2 words "military hospital" need I say more? grrrrrrr

She had to go back into the hospital. She spent a week in ICU then they sent us home and 2 days later we were back because she could not breathe and they put her back in the hospital. Amy is very depressed as any mom would be not getting to bond with her baby. I have been sleeping with him on my chest and have been in grandma heaven. He is so beautiful.
Amy will see a heart doctor Monday and she is looking much better.

The other news is while I was gone my oldest son signed up with the army!! I am terrified. They told him with his medical training he would not go to Iraq he will be stationed in Germany. He signed on for 6 years! Curse those damn recruiters! ?
He is happy about it so I will support him. Cathy, he leaves Tuesday for boot camp! I won't even get to see him off. I am heart broken. ?They said he can get into a PA school which is really hard to do otherwise. So maybe it will be OK.

Thanks for the email. It is lonely without having you to talk to on the blog. I really miss my blog family. How are things going with you? Will you keep me informed on the blog gossip? Tell me whats new and how everyone is doing. How is L@L's leg? Is Fishy OK? Ask him to email me and fill me in on Sistani. I have not been able to keep up. How's Shelly? I want to hear how Terry's trip was too. Tell Jenise I will get back to her on the CPTers as soon as I can. Tell Miss Anne hi and I could sure use some of JIK's humor about now! Gosh I miss Nik and mucky and 13 Ben! Tell Shell I will write her soon as I can. I only have 15 min. on the PC at the library. I miss everyone! ? Will you post it on the blog?
tell everyone I love them and I think of you guys all the time.
Do a little happy dance for me. ? kisses and hugs you are my family and I love you all.
Love
Darlene

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:25 PM

No, not babbling...it's good that you tried to help her. It's good to help people.

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:26 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ya know..... FUCK YOU BITCH.........

......................my poor ass company pays about thirty poor people's wages....

and we weren't a poor company 4 years ago....

we were a $10,000,000 a year manufacturing plant that was struggling to fight off a hostile corporate take-over....

ever since your HERO gwb played "cowboy politics" with steel tarrifs we can barely even find the steel we need and are having to pay 3 times as much when we find it (which takes about %2000 more time)....... a months worth of steel used to cost us about $15,000..... now since we cant afford $45,000.... we can only afford to buy 1/3 the steel which means we've gone from $10mil/year in 2000 to about $2mil this year.... with operating and payroll cost of $3mil.....

GEORGE W. BUSH economics......
......................................

SO......

FUCK YOU AND YOU'RE BULLSHIT POLITICS OF JACK-OFFS FOR BUSH.........

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:26 PM

Rule #1-

ignore anybody who doesn't have the respect to post a nick. cyber equivalent of barging in in a middle of a conversation. no class.

Rule #2-

ignore all trolls.

Posted by: TAKE BACK YOUR BLOG!! at September 13, 2004 10:27 PM

check out frank

http://greggormanphotography.com/v2/gallery/prints/html/imgs/gallery_small/Frank_Zappa1.jpg

http://www.tundrasound.com/image_map_site/images/zappa.jpg

http://www.hawk13.jp/baka/fz/fz3.jpg

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:27 PM

from:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3653868.stm

Turkey warns US on northern Iraq

Turkey says it will end cooperation with the US in Iraq if the Americans continue with their offensive in the northern Iraqi town of Talafar.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:28 PM

lotsa poor, uneducated, drug addicted teens in this town tonid...it's way messed up...there aren't enough day care spots for the kids in the county...

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:28 PM

If you hear from her again will you express our concern and ask her if she needs a hand?

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:24 PM

Will do Terry. She is bavk home now so she has access to a computer, just doesn't have time to blog.
Her son signed up for the Army for 6 years while she was gone to help her daughter. She is beside herself about that.

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:29 PM

Shelly did you watch this video of this dog.
HOLY CRAP! this dog is too much.

http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/petstar/petstar.html

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 10:30 PM

k..i go on record as not minding no nics...
not to be contrary with you Take Back Your Blog...just to let you know that that's how i feel about it...

even anna says love the trolls right?
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:30 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM

of course unnamed poster number 4, life is a privelige, not a right

if someone works for you, they are doing you a favor
it is not an even trade

it is only an even trade because of the threat of "work, or starve"

you are greedy and dull, in my humble opinion of course...

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:32 PM

is it good doggy video - or rip my heart out doggie video mat?
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:32 PM

synchronicity...

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:32 PM

It's a great doggie video! warm your heart not rip it out!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 10:33 PM

sorry but i had to blast nickless.......
the shit got personal for a second.......
...............

no troll minding henceforth.....

...give thanks...heartlove...in lak'ech...

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:34 PM

Cat-SEa,
You got an email too. I thought Dar said she was home. Maybe not. Still using the library computer.

I will send email tomorrow.

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:35 PM

13ben

Hey, it's ok, you live in a country
where about 48% of the populace gives
their political support to lying monsters
that give them as much tought as the
squashed bug on the bottom of their
shoes, it's not a happy reality,
it's just reality.

And some of them drop by every now and
again, so if you tell them to go f**k
themselves it's ok, but don't get upset.

Posted by: Ajax at September 13, 2004 10:35 PM

what have you been up to? have an assistant yet ter?

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:18 PM

Working, campaigning, no assistant yet, going to put my nephew to work though, have to take a long weekend off to see my niece's wedding in ore"gun", when I get back I'll have to redouble my efforts to make up for lost time.

Whew! 8 more weeks!

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:36 PM

it must change

unbridled capitalism is a self-destructive faliure

obviously

a few folks in every country have,

and the rest will eat them in the revolution

then you'll see how lazy poor people are

when they take down this unworkable system

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:36 PM

thanks ajax.....trolls get stuck in my teeth so sometimes i just gotta swallow them whole.....

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:36 PM

that's a really cool pic of fz...the first link...

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM

Well guys. Getting tired.
Catch y'all tomorrow.
Akuna matata!!!

Posted by: tonid at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM

it is not an even trade

it is only an even trade....

Posted by: dadalux

That is funny sounds like something Kerry would say.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM

See what a good Catholic Kerry is?

ATLANTA, GA – Ralph Reed today issued the following statement on John Kerry’s divisive attack on the third anniversary of September 11:

"John Kerry's use of the parable of the Good Samaritan to condemn the President on the third anniversary of the September 11th attacks crosses a line that is sad to witness. Prior to yesterday's attack by Senator Kerry, our national political leaders had refrained from political bickering on the anniversary of that tragic day. It is upsetting to see Senator Kerry break that unspoken observance, and sad too that he would choose to use people's faith to do so. His divisive statements are disappointing coming from someone who aspires to the highest office in the land."

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM

Politically Speaking
By Ron Elving

War Over War Records: A Losing Battle

"Those who expected the Bush Guard story to reorder the presidential standings were not just misjudging the media bounce. They were also wrong about the impact of the issue itself."

Ron Elving

Web Extra Sept. 13, 2004 -- The sparring match between the two major presidential campaigns over the candidates respective records in the Vietnam War has been a study in frustration for the Democrats. It has also been a demonstration of how changes in the media are changing our politics.

...Reformed, he became a national icon of strength and rectitude after the attacks of Sept. 11. There is no news value in reminding the nation that the prodigal son was a prodigal.

All right then, surprise to one side, what about the hypocrisy? As a young man, President Bush supported the war but made no real effort to get in the fight. Isn't that outrageous? Perhaps, but it is an outrage millions participated in at that time. Officeholders with strong hawkish views but no service record are legion. They include most of the Republican leaders in Congress, Vice President Dick Cheney and many of the civilian advisers to the Pentagon who urged the invasion of Iraq.

But so what? Democrats have raised this issue again and again since the Republican takeover of Congress in 1994 (Newt Gingrich had no military service, and neither did his top lieutenants), trying to embarrass the so-called chicken-hawk caucus. Where has it gotten them?

Posted by: pablo at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM

(ignoring)

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:38 PM

I sure am glad there are wealthy people in this country. Po folk don't hire many. Does a poor person pay your wages

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:12 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

How would you spend your money if your annual income was $10,000?

Or, $50,000?

Or, $300,000?

One economist (whose name I've forgotten) postutlates that a family can meet all it's needs and wants and desires on a total family income of $300,000; and earning more than this simply saps the money from the economy, depriving others from meeting their most basic needs.

As an example of the lunacy of hyper-wealth, recall the CEO who purchased the $8,000 shower curtain? Or a fashion magazine, which I recently read, that advertised a canvas car coat for $26,000?

I mean, really, is this not INSANE? You can attend a state university and obtain a bachelors degree for $26,000. For the hyper-wealthy, money is no longer money; it merely serves as a salve for their otherwise inadequate egos.

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:38 PM

dada for president

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:39 PM

Ralph Reed is a partisan poopy-head.

Posted by: Muffin at September 13, 2004 10:39 PM

Hi Toni, I got this email yesterday, but didn't want to post it until I thought it was a good time, when her friends were on the blog. I didn't see that you and Terri had been talking about it before I posted. That's what I meant by synchronicity.
She may be home by now?

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:39 PM

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
which convention used the word GOD 47 times....

uh..... republican.....

...........give me a fucking break......

Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:41 PM

Unchecked rapid, massive growth is cancer.

Buccaneer capitalism is a disease that is threatening democracy.

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:42 PM

Hi Nite Bloggers
Has Muk4Doo been around lately?
I miss him :(

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 10:42 PM

http://www.crystalinks.com/starseeds.html

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 10:42 PM

mama for resident

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:42 PM

her dotters home!
toms ready to move
from where they were!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:43 PM

Love you all to bits, see you tomorrow!

xoxoxoxoxoxoxo

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:43 PM

Whew! 8 more weeks!

Posted by: terry wilke at September 13, 2004 10:36 PM

weddin n oregin...midway or ohare? :) *o'scare*

are there any polls that show where you stand in your race terry?

night tonid!
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

ralph reed, one of my favorite hypocrites.

"The Nation
When Ralph Reed was the boyish director of the Christian Coalition, he made opposition to gambling a major plank in his "family values" agenda, calling gambling "a cancer on the American body politic" that was "stealing food from the mouths of children." But now, a broad federal investigation into lobbying abuses connected to gambling on Indian reservations has unearthed evidence that Reed has been surreptitiously working for an Indian tribe with a large casino it sought to protect--and that Reed was paid with funds laundered through two firms to try to keep his lucrative involvement secret. Reed has always operated behind the scenes, and apparently he didn't want to risk becoming a humbled hypocrite like his right-wing cohorts William Bennett and Rush Limbaugh. "

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

very good starseed....

very good...

Posted by: galactic observer 108X at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

> ...that's why I love her, and Sam for that matter. Much as I do
> Socrates, Plato, and Hypatia.
> It's completely different than the way I love hot co-eds in wet
> t-shirts.
> Posted by: Anti_OxiContin at September 13, 2004 09:26 PM

would that be hypatia lee?
(http://action-dvd.com/starpage.asp?userid=BA217951-A728-497F-AA25-6C31877FF3E3&castid=S0061)

just askin'...

Posted by: fear_monger at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

Love you all to bits

ritz-bits?
crackers?

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

"... upsetting to see Senator Kerry break that unspoken observance ..."

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 10:37 PM
=========================
Unspoken observance?
Oh, I see, the rules as decided by Karl Rove.
Gotcha.

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

Ralph Reed is a partisan poopy-head.

Posted by: Muffin at September 13, 2004 10:39 PM

And Kerry is a hypocrite:

The Soft Belly of John Kerry

September 14, 2004

by J. Thomas Lowry

The democrats seek to undermine American security in every possible way. Whether it is through a “softer” approach towards terrorists or the open arms with which illegal immigrants are welcomed, the left turns up the belly to the claw.

This is not new. In the 60s, the democrats helped to foment the disintegration of a generation. People of that era who were caught up in the antiwar, anti-America crowd now wish to be President or the Kingmakers.

John Kerry is like a small animal that turns its belly up to a member of the feline family. In the real world, the cat makes quick work of the soft underbelly of its prey. Terrorists are predators, always looking for weakness and John Kerry is weak.

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/l/lowry/2004/lowry091404.htm

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM

Eya conbo
miss him too
muckie was here
from day 1, hopin
he's buzy with fambly!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:45 PM

night terry! see you next time
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:45 PM

Good night, good night, Terry Wilke.

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:46 PM

lmao miss anne! that video might load on my stupid pc by the end of tomorrows show, then i can tell you how it was...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:46 PM

Hey Shell. I got a little good news from my doctor. He's going to start lowering my medication... that's good for me.

Saw Collateral and Hero today at the local theatre. They were both pretty good. Hero I'm going to have to see again. Subtitles were faster than the blog during hour two.

Seriously thinking about moving back to LA soon as I get off these drugs.

Bought a shitload of groceries today. Came home put 'em away and went out to eat.

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 10:48 PM

GWB is a do-nothing, know-nothing, say one thing and do the opposite, and a failure at everything. His war is creating thousands of new enemies and making us less safe. His cohorts are ridiculous. You are a silly fool if you vote for him.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:48 PM

now find one for lightworkers miss a....

i'm looking up manifest destiny...ay my age i should know what it means...brb
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:48 PM

Yeah! It loaded slow for me to but it sure was worth the wait!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 10:48 PM

John Kerry is like a small animal that turns its belly up to a member of the feline family.

Kerry don't be a girlie man

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:48 PM

...and we can just forget about the separation of church and state and all that nonsense now....

"The Bush team dispatched former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed to recruit pastors at the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention. And the campaign has targeted "friendly congregations" to hold voter registration drives and turn over church membership directories a treasure trove of likely GOP voters."

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:49 PM

J. Thomas Lowry is a partisan poopy-head.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:49 PM

The phrase "manifest destiny," was coined by New York journalist John O'Sullivan in 1845, when he wrote that "it was the nation's manifest destiny to overspread and to possess the whole of the continent which Providence has given us for the development of the great experiment of liberty and federated self-government entrusted to us." That same year on December 2, US President James Polk announced to Congress that the Monroe Doctrine should be strictly enforced and that the United States should aggressively expand into the West.

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:49 PM

Eya conbo
miss him too
muckie was here
from day 1, hopin
he's buzy with fambly!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:45 PM

:(
I think he is tired of politics.
I'm about there myself, but blogging is fun.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM

http://opendebates.com/

plus, earlier I should have said:

Existence is proven by the homeomorphic (sp?)properties of the Riemann Sphere's expression of infinite space and Personification is not excluded and therefore probable; when we're talking infinite, probable is eventual hence inevitable.

everything subject to and in harmony with known mathematical properties.

as far as I've been able to tell so far, anyway.

now nite!

Posted by: Rustle Of Luv at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM

http://www.crystalinks.com/lightworkers.html

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM

GWB, Cheney, Ashcroft all ran and hid from fighting in a war that they "believed" in. Cowards and creeps all of them.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM

I wish Kerry hadn't been
the weak rodent president
when the terrorists cut
our bellies on 9/11.

Oh that's right,
Bush was the rat on that date.

If Bush is so strong why does
he and Cheney keep saying the
terrorist are going to strike
us again ? If they're the big
strong beavers , shouldn't they
be able to stop them ?

Posted by: Ajax at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM

ya there is a herd of hypnotized masses in america

but when the mob smells blood, i bet they turn on 'fearless leader' with a quickness

-----------------------

http://www.anarchismus.at/bilder/capitalism.jpg

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/US-Racism.GIF

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:52 PM

>> Terrorists are predators, always looking for weakness and John Kerry is weak.
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/l/lowry/2004/lowry091404.htm
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 10:44 PM<<

oh look out!
Mensnewsdaily calls Kerry weak! Go check it out, and while you're at their site, check out the Poker Babes link!

wow, tough stuff, Mr Man.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM

hey i'm back.... i guess it's time to update my files.... lets see.... ah yes, my last report...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
Report Filed by Galactic Observer GM108X.
re: State of Mind, USA, 1995: the problem of the Planetary Biosphere

Description of collective state of mind: twisted,
self-absorbed, inhumane, intolerant, morbidly
fascinated, self-insulated in a bubble fortified
by two powerful illusions:

1) world supremacy, and 2) money.

Result: world supremacy of money creating state
of consciousness dominated by reflexes of self-
defensive retrenchment incapable of receiving any
new ideas or information;

hence, genuine dialogue is non-existent, and
should it occur, is treated as life-threatening.

The main information media and forms of
entertainment are dominated by images of
violence, and the maintenance of massive military
forces considered a major political asset.

Hence the society is riddled with gratuitous
violence of all kinds and the growth of anarchic
vigilante or militia groups.

The central television media news focus for one
year now has been the murder case and trial (21
weeks running) of a former sports hero.

Following suit, the murder trial of a popular
entertainer will soon be featured on the chief
music-entertainment television channel.

Despite this media fixation, the society elders
act puzzled at the amount of violence and general
decay characterizing American society.

Within this self-insulated bubble of dense,
unquestioning ignorance, the idea of social or
any other change appears to be unnecessary.

The relation of the USA to the rest of the planet
socially, politically, economically, and
environmentally is dominated by a profound "I'm
OK, don't bother me," isolationism.

The oligarchy has deeply entrenched itself in
political power exemplified by the Republican
104th Congress.

The mass consciousness, including that of the
poorest pe

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM

GWB sure looked fearful on stage at the convention when there was a tiny ruckus.
Raw fear, and panic on his miserable frozen face.
Some leader. Some tough guy.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM

is there a reason for lowering your dosage...is it cuz you're gettin weller?

how funny - i too did the grocery thing after like a month of no shopping...we purposely go eat before we shop now...that was great advice where ever i heard it...although i still bought way more than i needed to...i splured on marinated artichoke hearts...mmmmmm

i would FREAK OUT if you moved to LA! i have so much fun there! that would be great mel!
(i'm partial to my side of the us... tee hee)

to me california is like everywhere else combined into one state...but i haven't even been everywhere else so...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 10:56 PM

cathy in seattle,

I bet the Poker Women
are 10 times stronger
than their men.

Posted by: Ajax at September 13, 2004 10:57 PM

:(
I think he is tired of politics.
I'm about there myself, but blogging is fun.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 10:50 PM / / / / /

he's got girlfrend fer doo to take care of now

i figger i might be able to last out this mess till it's fixed, maybe as little as the next
5 yrs, maybe a bit more. this is my 22nd
year of it and i find it rewarding an
challenging, also i take breaks too!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:57 PM

September 1, 2003:
Kerry said Congress should spend whatever it takes to rebuild Iraq and carry out commitments that the United States made to the Iraqi people.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/31/sprj.irq.talk/

September 8, 2004:
Kerry said of Bush. ''It's almost $200 billion now, and I say to everybody in North Carolina, that's $200 billion that we're not investing in health care in North Carolina, that's $200 billion we're not investing in schools in America, that's $200 billion that we're not investing in prescription drugs for seniors, that's $200 billion we're not investing in better jobs, in science, stem-cell research, technology, the future."
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/09/08/kerry_rips_handling_of_war_and_economy/

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 10:58 PM

>>I bet the Poker Women
are 10 times stronger
than their men.
Posted by: Ajax at September 13, 2004 10:57 PM<

I wouldn't bet against it either, Ajax!
;-)

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:58 PM

He knows that that is what it sounds like when a president gets offed, wacked, taken care of, double ass inated.

He thought his time was up. And his miserable life was flashing in fromt of his eyes.

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 10:58 PM

Countdown to a Bush-free White House
128 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes, 4 seconds

http://www.avatara.com/

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 10:58 PM

He thought his time was up.

He did look that way.
Strange, scared little man.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:00 PM

Professor says Bush revealed National Guard favoritism
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Monday, September 13, 2004 Posted: 6:53 PM EDT (2253 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A business school professor who taught George W. Bush at Harvard University in the early 1970s says the future president told him that family friends had pulled strings to get him into the Texas Air National Guard.

Yoshi Tsurumi, in his first on-camera interview on the subject, told CNN that Bush confided in him during an after-class hallway conversation during the 1973-74 school year.

"He admitted to me that to avoid the Vietnam draft, he had his dad -- he said 'Dad's friends' -- skip him through the long waiting list to get him into the Texas National Guard," Tsurumi said. "He thought that was a smart thing to do."

Posted by: pablo at September 13, 2004 11:00 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report Filed by Galactic Observer GM108X.
re: State of Mind, USA, 1995: the problem of the Planetary Biosphere

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
CONT'D

The mass consciousness, including that of the
poorest people, is characterized by complacency,
apathy, and fear punctuated by random violence.

The issue of job security is continuously used to
maintain the lid on free expression. Artistic
genres are characterized by violence,
sentimentality and chaos.

Rapidly engaged in the most accelerated forms of
cybernetic technology, any real continuity with
the past has been erased.

The only commemorative events celebrated for
purpose of maintaining the image of world
supremacy are the events concerning the end of
the last World War, as well as stock-in-trade
patriotic holidays.

CONT'D.........

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:00 PM

"Countdown to a Bush-free White House
128 days, 16 hours, 59 minutes, 4 seconds"

Back to the drawing board for you:

Countdown to a Bush-free WhiteHouse
4*365 + 128 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes, 10 seconds

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:00 PM

http://www.BradFriedman.com/BradBlog/Images/BushTux.jpg

"I think the president has done very well with insufficient intelligence,'' Mr. Goss said late last year in an interview.

Dear Lord, that's an understatement.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:01 PM

dang it, just thought of something else.

I really should be careful with this stuff I go on about, and I should have said, the REASONING is subject to mathematical properties.

Not you know who.

must sleep now

Posted by: Rustle Of Luv at September 13, 2004 11:03 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Iraq_War#War_casualties

War casualties

(lots of links)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:03 PM

Posted by: bosco

bosco, Kerry can't help.. he's just a flipper flopper

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:03 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report Filed by Galactic Observer GM108X.
re: State of Mind, USA, 1995: the problem of the Planetary Biosphere

CONT'D

Intolerance of death and financial loss are
characterized by massive medical technology to
prolong life artificially and by financial stock
market which only sets new, record highs.

The insurance industry and burgeoning legal
profession assure that the intolerance of death
and accidents of any kind will be both lucrative
and life-complicating.

This overall state of mind has become 'permanent'
since the end of the Cold War, 1990, which
actually ended the dialectic of history.

At this point the balance of power shifted
unequivocally to the Americans and their powerful
industrial allies, all together known as the G-7.

The notion that the direction in which the
American mind has solidified itself is totally at
the expense of the biosphere and the well-being
of the rest of the planet is unheard of and
unthinkable.

It is also true that the American state of mind
has forfeited any genuine self reflection and,
immersed in its own form of hedonistic
eternalism, is incapable of grasping in any
critical way its self-defeating course of
violence and destruction.

CONT'D

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:04 PM

WOw! that motorcycles diaries looks really great!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 11:04 PM

holycowjagothomeandfoundedinhismailboxaletterfromthecloniebear!intheletterhefindallthethingsheneedstofinishhiscollegeeducationaswellassomesweettawnglydanglymelodiousmandolinplayinandtonsofpicsofpolesandplanesandsmilinfaces.hesaiditmadehisday!clonietellimthatjadontgetalotofsnailmailandsoitwasextranice.imastayhomeanduploadsoundfileswhilejadoespaperwriting.whenarewegoingonthattriptothemoonanyway?lotsaadventuretobehadmyfriend!

THHHHHHHHHHH(billdecatsound)HANKS JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ja'steddybear at September 13, 2004 11:04 PM

Yoshi Tsurumi... continued

"What I couldn't stand -- and I told him -- he was all for the U.S. to continue with the Vietnam War. That means he was all for other people, Americans, to keep on fighting and dying."

Stupid, liar, and a coward... George W Bush Unfit for Command

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/13/bush.professor/

Posted by: pablo at September 13, 2004 11:05 PM

Chapter Operation Ignore
http://www.avatara.com/operationignore.html

Al Franken states:

"I believe this chapter to be critical reading for all Americans and this is why I am posting it here. It documents what happened during the change in administrations in 2000 and how the Bush administration ignored the warnings handed to them before the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. I will not try here to theorize what their motive was or how these mistakes were made.
That will be for others. Only time will tell."

excerpt from:
Al Franken's Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

HTML Version:
http://www.avatara.com/operationignore0.html

PDF Version
http://www.avatara.com/operationignore.pdf

Real Audio Version - Part One Download (Right click to save)
http://www.avatara.com/operationignore01.rm

Real Audio Version - Part Two Download (Right click to save)
http://www.avatara.com/operationignore02.rm

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

Bush Flip-Flops
Let's see, we stopped at #6 a couple of days ago, didn't we Bosco?

so to continue, as long as your in the mood for more...
7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

August 30, 2004:
Kerry renounces Kyoto treaty while backing measures to impose its controls
BOSTON - During the presidential primaries, Sen. John Kerry quietly renounced support for the Kyoto treaty on global warming. More recently, as it readied itself for the Kerry lovefest in Boston, the Democratic Party surreptitiously removed from its platform support for Kyoto - a treaty, in large part, personally negotiated by its last presidential candidate Al Gore.
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/agweek/9532847.htm

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 13, 2004 10:57 PM
____________________
I did not really follow politics until Bush
It was just so obvious that this Administration
was up to funny business. I was relieved when I
found that other people were very concerned too.

My job gives me lots of free time to blog.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

wow, tough stuff, Mr Man.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM

More on Mr. Heinz:

O'Neill leads charge against Kerry's 'lies'

By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

John E. O'Neill is the former Swift Boat commander in Vietnam who has led a rapid-fire assault on Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry, causing a media furor and an angry response from both the Kerry campaign and the candidate himself.
He has called Mr. Kerry a liar, said he falsified his war records to receive combat medals and scurrilously tarnished the reputation of other Vietnam veterans for political gain. He accused the Massachusetts Democrat of having serious character flaws that made him unfit to serve as commander in chief.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040827-121108-7214r.htm

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

conbo,
if kerry wins, will you move away?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:07 PM

if support gwb... you GOT BLOOD on your hands... and are henceforth invisible to i for you are the lowest of all of the scum of the earth...

...for you are worse than the actual murderers... for you blindly support the murders and attack those who seek to set balance to this planet...

may something in this universe have PITY on you because i have none...

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:07 PM

IF YOU VOTE FOR BUSH YOU ARE A TRAITOR!!!

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:08 PM

Compensation to Gaza settlers $1b.
By MATI WAGNER

Total compensation payments to settlers uprooted from Gaza will amount to about $1 billion, according to a cabinet draft decision describing the economic nuts and bolts of the disengagement plan leaked to the Israeli Yediot Aharonot newspaper Monday.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1095052275461

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:08 PM

Robert Novak:

Douchebag of Liberty

Posted by: TheDailyShowNOW! at September 13, 2004 11:08 PM

Yoshi Tsurumi, in his first on-camera interview on the subject, told CNN that Bush confided in him during an after-class hallway conversation during the 1973-74 school year.

Oh, sure no doubt it was seared into him memory like Kerry being in Cambodia on Christmas Eve

If you really think he recalls a hallway conversation with one of thousands of students you are very gullible That's like Dan Blabber thinking the 4 documents he has are authentic

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:09 PM

IF YOU VOTE FOR BUSH YOU ARE A MURDERER!!!

Posted by: galactic observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

dude, c'mon
we all have blood on our hands cept jim.
he's the only semi-pure one.
the decline is upon us,
i dunno if i can go in for a seperatist movement,
even too late for that.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

wow, tough stuff, Mr Man.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:54 PM

Better work off that fat ass, cathy:

Kerry stumbles in key states as Bush widens lead in polls

Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday September 14, 2004

The Guardian

John Kerry has fallen behind in the three biggest swing states - Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio - which pollsters from both parties believe will be the key to the US presidential election, it emerged yesterday.
Polling figures suggest that George Bush's surge in support after the Republican convention has settled into a significant lead, confronting John Kerry with difficult tactical choices as he battles to regain the initiative.

A poll by Time magazine showed the president on 52%, with the Democratic challenger on 41%. This is as wide a lead as Mr Bush enjoyed in the immediate aftermath of the New York convention. Newsweek magazine, however, found the Bush margin had diminished to six percentage points in the past week.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1304046,00.html

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

TheDailyShowNOW!
i don't know you, but i love you for reminding me....
see ya'll in a bit
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

Hey galactic....you're just one step from devising "the final solution"

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

"Bill Clinton's far-reaching plan to eliminate al Qaeda root and branch was completed only a few weeks before the inauguration of George W. Bush. If it had been implemented then, a former senior Clinton aide told Time, we would be handing [the Bush Administration] a war when they took office." Instead, Clinton and company decided to turn over the plan to the Bush administration to carry out. Clinton trusted Bush to protect America. This proved, nine months later, to be a disastrous mistake - perhaps the biggest one Clinton ever made."

For the entire excerpt, see above:

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 11:06 PM

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

Where are these poll numbers that supposedly have Bush in an "insurmountable lead"?

Everything I've seen has it statistically tied.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:11 PM

JOHN KERRY IS THE GREATEST AMERICAN PATRIOT THAT EVER LIVED....

and if you bushlamist terrorist don't like it, "YOU CAN GEEEDDDDD OUT!!!!!"

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM

Mr. Manifesto is a poopy head.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM

"is there a reason for lowering your dosage...is it cuz you're gettin weller?"

It means the doctor is relaxing his sphincter a bit and giving me back control of my life.

"we purposely go eat before we shop now...that was great advice where ever i heard it...although i still bought way more than i needed to..."

I like to shop hungry. I get fun stuff. It's hard for me to get up to shop when I'm not currently hungry.

"i would FREAK OUT if you moved to LA! i have so much fun there! that would be great mel!
(i'm partial to my side of the us... tee hee)"

I'm partial to the western hemisphere. The best hemisphere in the world... LOL

"but i haven't even been everywhere else so...
:)"

I still haven't been to seattle or San Francisco or New Orleans. But that's about it. I still want to go to Japan. But this is all next year.

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM

Did somebody say FLIPPER? :-D

http://tbtmradio.com/flash/flipper.swf

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM

Tsurumi concedes that he disapproves of Bush's politics. He wrote a letter to the editor of his hometown newspaper, the Scarsdale Inquirer, that derided the president's claims to "compassionate conservatism."

"Somehow I found him totally devoid of compassion, social responsibility, and good study discipline," Tsurumi said. "What I remember most about him was all the kind of flippant statements that he made inside of classroom as well as outside."

Posted by: pablo at September 13, 2004 11:13 PM

Where are these poll numbers that supposedly have Bush in an "insurmountable lead"?

Everything I've seen has it statistically tied.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:11 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

you're not searching up HANNITY/OREILLY/LIMBAUGH's ass!!!

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:13 PM

They could get some guy that looks like bin Laden and say it's him. Trot him out October 25th or so, the dumb rednecks would believe it and probably a lot of others would too.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:14 PM

The Clinton administration talked about firm evidence linking Saddam Hussein's regime to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network years before President Bush made the same statements.

...

The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
Shortly after the embassy bombings, Mr. Clinton ordered air strikes on al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and on the Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040624-112921-3401r.htm

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:14 PM

well, for all the american citizens here,
we got blood on our hands.
even gallagher

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:14 PM

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM

Grow some, and get a nick.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:14 PM

>>Better work off that fat ass, cathy:<<

Your right-wing misogyny's showing, Mr. Man. Better go back to your Poker Babes site.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM

you're not searching up HANNITY/OREILLY/LIMBAUGH's ass!!!

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:13 PM
--------------

I can't! They are so tight that absolutely NO light can get in... mini mag light or not.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM

If you want terror on American shores, vote Bush because Osama Bin Laden and his hit men HATE, HATE, HATE George Bush and his Israel loving neo cons. Just one of many reasons why Bin Laden will attack America if Bush is elected.

Whereas with John Kerry, well Osama bears him no ill will personally really and will give him a grace period to prove his worth.

Be safe America and elect John Kerry. The world respects John Kerry. The world would rather see George Bush sent "to the moon" to use the Honeymooners famous line.

Elect Johm Kerry and help send Bush "to the moon".

Posted by: mathilda at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM

I can't! They are so tight that absolutely NO light can get in... mini mag light or not.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM
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pick any one of em.... and i got a glow stick with their name on it........

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:16 PM

>>Did somebody say FLIPPER? :-D
http://tbtmradio.com/flash/flipper.swf
Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 11:12 PM<<

a classic to be bookmarked and shared...!

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

O'Neill

ROFL

There's a true knight of the realm.
Didn't that ace swift boat captain
crash his boat or run over a frog
man or something jack assed like
that ?

O'Neill , Mr. Professional Kerry
Character Assassination and hero
of those who think with their
gal bladders.

O'Neill , oh my god , geez ,
he said that about Kerry ?
Oh my !!

LOL

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

Grow some, and get a nick.

You too, poopy head :)

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:59 p.m. EDT
Heinz Kerry-Funded Web Site Praises Hezbollah

A Web site partially funded by Teresa Heinz Kerry offers a report glorifying Hezbollah (Hizbullah) suicide bombers as "deified in paradise and venerated on earth for fighting Israel" - and praises the terrorist group's support network for women widowed by their husband's "martyrdom" attacks.

Women's eNews.org still features the September 2003 report, written by Sarah Smiles, who's identified as a "WeNews correspondent."

Smiles interviewed a number of Lebanese women who were widowed after their husbands decided to join in the cause of killing Israelis and Americans.

At the end of her screed, the Web site notes:

"Women's eNews is supported by our readers; reprints and licensing fees; and the Fund for the City of New York, the Teresa and H. John Heinz III fund of the Heinz Family Foundations, the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, the Barbara Lee Family Foundation, the Rockefeller Family Fund, The Helena Rubinstein Foundation, the Sister Fund, the Starry Night Fund."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/15/140140.shtml

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

The nationwide shift in public opinion has been reflected in the roughly 20 swing states where the daily battle is being fought.

States like Virginia, Arizona and Missouri, where Mr Kerry believed he had a serious chance a month ago, now appear to be solidly behind the president, potentially gaining Mr Bush crucial votes in the 538-seat electoral college that formally picks the president after the election.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1304046,00.html

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

BOSCO.....

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A MASS MURDERER FOR PRESIDENT....

oh yeah.... you must be a child molester......

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

Jon Stewart just did a great segment on awarding Bob Evans the "Congressional Medal of DoucheBaggery".......funny stuff....love thay daily show

Posted by: "will spoon for Kerry" at September 13, 2004 11:18 PM

BOSCO.....

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A MASS MURDERER FOR PRESIDENT....

oh yeah.... you must be a child molester......

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM
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that goes for you too MR MANIFESTO OF DEATH.....

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:18 PM

we're tryin mathymatherson,
he just can't compete w/ the media barrage that readjusts our mind weekly,always looking to outsell it's competitors, filling our minds with the most pointless thoughts possible.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:18 PM

so what, bosco?

http://www.boscoworld.com/

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:20 PM

conbo,
if kerry wins, will you move away?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:07 PM
__________________
move?
as in location?

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:20 PM

Whereas with John Kerry, well Osama bears him no ill will personally really and will give him a grace period to prove his worth.

HA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha!

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:21 PM

The No-Conspiracy Theory

by Rex Weyler

...No-Conspiracy Theorists have actually been around for centuries. No-Conspiracy Theorists in fifteenth century Italy doubted that the murder of Baldaccio d'Anghiari was directly related to di Medici family fortunes. Florentine NCTs in 1445 pointed out there was no real proof that the duke ordered Battista to assassinate Annibale or that the Venetian commissaries were insincere in joining the people in the piazza and clipping Battista, not unlike, say, a connected nightclub owner, troubled by the death of his democratic president might take out a CIA patsy in the basement of a police station in modern Dallas. “He deserved to die for his deed,” the Florentine elite claimed, “and die he did. So what's the big deal?”...

more here
http://www.rexweyler.com/works/essays_nocons.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:22 PM

"[T]he President signed off on the plan. Phase Zero, however, came first: wait several days as the proposal made its way to the Bush's desk.

"On September 9, as the plan cooled its heels, Congress proposed a boost of $600 million for antiterror programs. The money was to come from Rumsfeld's beloved missile defense program, the eventual price tag of which was estimated by the Congressional Budget Office at between $158 billion and $238 billion. Congress's proposal to shift $0.6 billion over to counterterror programs incurred Rummy's ire, and he threatened a presidential veto. Operation Ignore was in its 207th day.

"On Operation Ignore Day 208, Ashcroft sent his Justice Department budget request to Bush. It included spending increases in sixty-eight different programs. Out of these sixty-eight programs, less than half dealt with terrorism. Way less than half. In fact, none of them dealt with terrorism. Ashcroft passed around a memo listing his seven top priorities. Again, terrorism didn't make the list.

"On that day, I left for Minneapolis to visit my mom and play some charity golf.

"On the next day, the world shook.

"The day after that, they started blaming Clinton, covering their tracks, and accusing liberals of blaming America."

Excerpt from:
Al Franken's book: Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0525947647/qid=1072823928/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4399809-8358553

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 11:23 PM

oh yeah.... you must be a child molester......

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:17 PM

...would be as truthful as John Kerry accusing me of being a war criminal:

Kerry Accused U.S. of War Crimes

by David Freddoso
Posted Feb 13, 2004

Whether his words were intended to describe ongoing acts of mass murder or only prospective acts of mass murder is unclear, but John Kerry left no doubt in Senate testimony 33 years ago that he believed the U.S. was capable of committing mass murder in Vietnam.

Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, Kerry was asked how a U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam would effect the South Vietnamese army and people. "[Y]es, there will be some recrimination," said Kerry, "but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America." (See page 190 of the attached transcript of his entire testimony).

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?print=yes&id=3010

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:23 PM

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

...........
take it back to 2 weeks prior to RNC convention
kerry's way ahead....

...then go to week before and of RNC conv...
the phantom "bounce"..... gwb leads....

...............
and now back to reality.....
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

DOWN WITH THE MURDERERS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PRO-LIFERS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:24 PM

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hehehehe meteachauhowtolookerover!
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bothhaddabizzydayeh hehehe she'snice

Posted by: cloniebear at September 13, 2004 11:24 PM

Hey galactic....you're just one step from devising "the final solution"

Posted by: bosco [TypeKey Profile Page] at September 13, 2004 11:10 PM

thats right, eat the rich
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If you really think he recalls a hallway conversation with one of thousands of students you are very gullible That's like Dan Blabber thinking the 4 documents he has are authentic

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:09 PM

---

maybe you are just slow

http://www.wastednetwork.com/wn_archive/images/main/wn_main_bush2.gif

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:24 PM

yea like to ....
(where would you go...not canada...)

well, england, or switzerland or something?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:25 PM

hey cloniebear!

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:25 PM

Excerpt from:
Al Franken's book: Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0525947647/qid=1072823928/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-4399809-8358553

Posted by: ilo at September 13, 2004 11:23 PM

Operation Ignore!
hahahaha

i forgot about that.
Thatis was so damn funny

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:25 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html

HA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha!

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:26 PM

More Kerry talks, the less people listen:

Kerry Stuck in Political Quagmire
Democrat's Iraq Message Boosts Bush
Becomes Easy Target for Political Satire

by Tim Harper

WASH. D.C. — John Kerry is lost in the fog of war and can`t find his way out.

While the near-legendary Republican attack machine has received much credit for ensnaring the Democratic presidential challenger in his own Vietnam web, Kerry has braided his own noose in his dealings with today`s war in Iraq.

U.S. casualties have topped 1,000. Baghdad was engulfed in one of the deadliest days of the war yesterday and there are growing suspicions that the U.S. military has ceded large swaths of territory to insurgents in Iraq, so they will not be in bloody battle during the electoral homestretch back home.

Still, Kerry`s muddled message on Iraq has done the near-impossible — pushing up George W. Bush`s approval on his handling of the war with only 50 days left until election day.

Kerry, meanwhile, has become a dream for political satirists and the proverbial fish in the barrel for the Bush war room.

The man vilified as a waffler, played right into that perception at a stop in Pennsylvania where he waxed rhapsodically about a local restaurant which brings the daily special to the table with no menu.

"That's the way it ought to work for confused people like me who can't make up our minds," he told supporters."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0913-01.htm

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:26 PM

Sen Bob Graham's interview about his new book "Intelligence Matters"

Fighting War on Terror

Sarts at about 47:45... minute counter

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=205&Rot_WD=

rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/wj091304.rm

Posted by: pablo at September 13, 2004 11:27 PM

Horrible atrocities were committed in Viet Nam. They are undeniable and well-documented. They are still being uncovered. See the Toledo Blade's excellent series on Tiger force. Stop acting like a poopy head in denial. Grow up. Learn from history.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:27 PM

Come on folks. Let's start the KILLING.... PEACE thru DEATH... that's my MANIFESTO...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:27 PM

Kerry says the "W' in George W. Bush stand for "Wrong". John Kerry is still trying to figure out what John Kerry stands for.

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:28 PM

Bankrupt America.... that's my MANIFESTO

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:28 PM

conbo you reminded me of this...

Between his conviction for fraud in N.Y.and his death in prison in Italy,Michele"the shark"Sindona,one of the Major figures in the P2 conspiracy,gave a series of interviews to a journalist named Nick Tosches,and Power On Earth(a book) presents Sindona's wiew of the events that led to his downfall.
Sindona was not very forthcoming about drug deals,gun-running,CIA involvement,terrorist bombings,or any of the more serious charges against the P2 cabal.The P2 people were not working to restore fascism,Sindona says,but to establish democracy.Licio Gelli did not have the power he claimed,and just invented stories of being on the CIA payroll.In general,the "conspiracy" was just an overenthusiastic bunch of businessmen in love with democracy and fearful of communist tyrrany.
Tosches does give us Sindona's last words,as he keeled over after breakfast in his cell in Milan(after being convicted of murdering the bank examiner,Giorgio Ambrosoli): "Mi hanno avvelenato!" ("They have poisoned me!")

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:29 PM

Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:59 p.m. EDT
Heinz Kerry-Funded Web Site Praises Hezbollah

Women's eNews.org still features the September 2003 report, written by Sarah Smiles, who's identified as a "WeNews correspondent."
----------------

Bullshit

The article contained QUOTES from Palestinian women. Typically, NewsMax didn't identify its quotes as quotes and left the impression that they represented the opinion of the writer and funders.

Dishonest, deceitful and unconscionable.

Why does NewsMax hate America?

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 11:29 PM

"U.S. casualties have topped 1,000. Baghdad was engulfed in one of the deadliest days of the war yesterday and there are growing suspicions that the U.S. military has ceded large swaths of territory to insurgents in Iraq, so they will not be in bloody battle during the electoral homestretch back home."

What a ringing endorsement for GWB. Thanks Mr. Poopy Head.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:29 PM

www.dont-be-a-girlieman.com
This "girlie man" sticker has undergone an informal focus group and the results have shown that it had the potential to sway some undecided voters into the Bush camp.

That is why you need to...
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html

HA HA HA Ha Ha ha ha!

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:26 PM

wow, what a unbiased source you have.
dumbass.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:30 PM

Bush Might Extend “The Axis of Evil” Once Re-elected

SEPTEMBER 13, 2004 22:02
by Jin Lee (leej@donga.com)

Once U.S. President George W. Bush is re-elected, the U.S. may possibly extend the so-called “axis of evil,” which is currently the target of the U.S.’ pre-emptive strike.

The online edition of the weekly magazine Time reported on September 13 that Deputy Undersecretary of Defense William Luti said, “There are at least five or six countries with traits that no responsible leader can allow,” hinting that the doctrine of pre-emptive war could soon apply to these countries.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004091492968

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:30 PM

The more I talk, the less people listen.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:31 PM

http://www.flatlineamerica.com/cheney.gif

Bankrupt America.... that's my MANIFESTO

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:28 PM

http://www.mrbrown.net/signatures/dickcheney/cheney.jpg

http://www2.worldbook.com/features/presidents/assets/images/cheney.jpg

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:31 PM

this isn't really talking man,
unless your just speaking out loud while you write which is, no offense, kinda nutty.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:32 PM

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Kerry stumbles in key states as Bush widens lead in polls

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Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday September 14, 2004
The Guardian

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:32 PM

and now back to reality.....
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

DOWN WITH THE MURDERERS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PRO-LIFERS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:24 PM
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I like that site. Do you think it's pretty fair and reliable? I hope so.

I don't think we can count on Florida. Look for Jeb to take advantage of every opportunity to subver the elections. I wouldn't put it past him to take advantage of the confusion and destruction of the hurricanes to steal it again.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:32 PM

Bosco,

Why do we HATE America???

...Oh, let me count the ways...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:32 PM

Come on folks. Let's start the KILLING.... PEACE thru DEATH... that's my MANIFESTO...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:27 PM

Hey, nick-stealing troll-copy this next time you steal my name.

You have just as little honor as the cowardly idiot Kerry:

Bush accuses Democrats of "tired, pathetic" attacks on his domestic plans
September 13, 2004, 9:41 PM

MUSKEGON, Mich. (AP) -- President Bush chided Sen. John Kerry and fellow Democrats on Monday for asserting that Republicans will undermine Social Security, calling the strategy "the most tired, pathetic way to campaign for the presidency."

Traveling by bus through the southwest corner of this battleground state, Bush tried to improve voters' perceptions of his domestic policies by condemning Democrats for going negative -- even as he held Kerry's plans up to the harshest possible light.

"I'm running against a fellow who has got a massive, complicated blueprint to have our government take over the decision making in health care," the president said. "Not only is his plan going to increase the power of bureaucrats in your life, but he can't pay for it unless he raises your taxes."

http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw104147_20040913.htm

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:33 PM

"If you really think he recalls a hallway conversation with one of thousands"

Contact with repugnant types tend to stick with you.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:33 PM

Kerry has lost confident.. stopped talking to the press a month ago. His rating have dropped since.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/shoptalk_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000628440

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:33 PM

wow a real freeper!!!
right here!

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:34 PM

I can't! They are so tight that absolutely NO light can get in.. mini mag light or not.

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM
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pick any one of em.... and i got a glow stick with their name on it........

Posted by: REPUBLICANS FOR KERRY at September 13, 2004 11:16 PM
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[INSERT BLACK HOLE JOKE HERE]

Posted by: Meg at September 13, 2004 11:34 PM

I'm partial to the western hemisphere. The best hemisphere in the world... LOL
MEL

LMAO!!

k well when #1
if you're going to San Francisco
be sure to wear some flowers in your hair...
and
#2
i call i get to be your tour guide in SF...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:34 PM

yea like to ....
(where would you go...not canada...)

well, england, or switzerland or something?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:25 PM

If Kerry wins, will it be a hard time for Liberals
or something? I would think that things will ease
up some them. Although I have my reservations about Kerry.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:35 PM

[INSERT JOKE HOLE HERE]

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:35 PM

North Korea Blew up a Mountain as a Hydroelectric Project

SEPTEMBER 13, 2004 21:46
by Hoon Lee

The September 13 BBC online edition reported that North Korea`s Foreign Minister Paek Nam-sun revealed that a huge blast which had been spotted in Kimhyongjik County, Yangang Province, North Korea on September 12 was “in fact, the deliberate demolition of a mountain as a part of a huge hydroelectric project.”

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:36 PM

I hope Georgie puts a good word in for me when he talks to Jesus.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:36 PM

I like the way medicare is now more affordable thanks to...

Yeah, Dumbya has really done wonders for health care in this country, that lying sack of turds.

Posted by: Senior for Kerry at September 13, 2004 11:36 PM

Yes, I'm a freeper... and I'm damn proud to destroy America!!!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

>>but John Kerry left no doubt in Senate testimony 33 years ago that he believed the U.S. was capable of committing mass murder in Vietnam.<<

Only a Republican could DENY that we have had dark days in our history. To them, we could never do anything wrong.
Slavery? FAIRY TALES!
American Indian genocide? MYTH!
Killing little black church girls in Alabama? LIES!!
War time atrtocities? NEVER HAPPENED!!

Holding your hands over your ears and singing "La la la" won't make it go away. When you deny the past, you risk repeating it.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

yea like to ....
(where would you go...not canada...)

well, england, or switzerland or something?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:25 PM

If Kerry wins, will it be a hard time for Liberals
or something? I would think that things will ease
up some them. Although I have my reservations about Kerry.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:35 PM

Go to Canada-if Kerry steals the election, Al-Queda will take that as free reign to kill Americans.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

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Bush accuses Democrats of "tired, pathetic" attacks on his domestic plans

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September 13, 2004, 3:06 PM

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*GUEST REQUEST*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^

******************MICHAEL FRANTI**********************

Heading Home - June 15th 2004

The USA funds Apartheid wall in Israel - June 11th 2004

Israeli soldiers fire guns at Hebron children - June 9th 2004

Entering Dahaisha refugee camp- June 08 2004

My last morning in Baghdad - June 07 2004

My Last night in Baghdad...until i return again - June 07 2004

Baghdad today - June 06 2004

The role of women in Iraq...one males perspective... - June 06 2004

I f i was in Baghdad then i would rock Iraq - June 05 2004

We arrived in Baghdad today - June 05 2004

We are getting on the plane from Amman to Baghdad right now - June 04 2004

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 11:38 PM

>>When you deny the past, you risk repeating it.<<

Oh, I get it...you Republicans plan on repeating the past!

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:38 PM

“There are at least five or six countries with traits that no responsible leader can allow,” hinting that the doctrine of pre-emptive war could soon apply to these countries.

http://www.maineiac.com/ethnic/world_domination_pic.jpg

and which traits might those be, my dear neo-colonial propagandist?

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http://www.scarysquirrel.org/tufty/class_pyramid_med.jpg

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:38 PM

I hope they hang Saddam for what he did to us on 9/11!!!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:39 PM

With apologies to our good ole southern friends

The Redneck Church

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the finance committee refuses to provide funds for the purchase of a chandelier because none of the members knows how to play one.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... people ask, when they learn that Jesus fed the 5000, whether the two fish were bass or catfish, and what bait was used to catch 'em.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if.. when the pastor says, "I'd like to ask Bubba to help take up the offering," five guys and two women stand up.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... opening day of deer
season is recognized as an official church holiday.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... a member of the church
requests to be buried in his 4-wheel-drive truck because "It ain't never been in a hole it couldn't get out of."

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the choir is known as the "OK Chorale".

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... in a congregation of 500 members, there are only seven last names in the church directory.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... Baptism is referred to as "branding".

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... high notes on the organ set the dogs on the floor to howling.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... people think "rapture" is what you get when you lift something too heavy.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the baptismal pool is a #2 galvanized washtub.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the choir robes were donated by (and embroidered with the logo from) Billy Bob's Barbecue.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the collection plates are really hub caps from a '56 Chevy.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... instead of a bell, you are called to service by a duck call.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if.. the minister and his wife drive matching pickup trucks.

You Know Your Church Is A Redneck Church if... the communion wine is Boone's Farm "Tickled Pink".

You K

Posted by: bEEzer9 at September 13, 2004 11:40 PM

i dunno,
i feel like if georgie does win, i'll leave out of principle,
but if kerry wins and decline continues, which may be inevitable, i'll feel even worse. not for not having voted for bush, but for letting it get this far that even a good man like kerry can't fix it.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:40 PM

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Campaign battlefield is shrinking for Kerry
Fewer states appear competitive in race

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By DAN BALZ
The Washington Post

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September 12. 2004 8:00AM

WASHINGTON - President Bush's post-convention bounce in state and national polls has left Democratic challenger John Kerry with a smaller battlefield upon which to contest the presidential election and a potentially more difficult route to an electoral college victory than his advisers envisioned only a few months ago.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:40 PM

I hope Bush will destroy the entire planet except the good ole USofA... and then we can finally own outright the planet, which is our birthright...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:41 PM

>>but John Kerry left no doubt in Senate testimony 33 years ago that he believed the U.S. was capable of committing mass murder in Vietnam.<<

Posted by: cathy in seattle

How true and that's why the Vets are largely supporting Bush. Most Vets view Kerry the same way they view Hanoi Jane... worthless POS

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:41 PM

If Kerry wins, will it be a hard time for Liberals
or something? I would think that things will ease
up some them. Although I have my reservations about Kerry.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:35 PM
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Of course, after the Kerry victory the liberals will revert back to form and start arguing among themselves. Were Nader's Ideas good, but Tactics bad? Or was he just a great man who turned into a nutter? Was it wrong to send all the Neo-Cons to re-education camps? Would exhile have been better? Do we restore the Fairness Doctrine now? Or press the left's advantage for a awhile first?

(As if Liberals would really act just like Conservatives)

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 11:42 PM

can't you just see dubya and cheneyman floatin on the sea goin

"boat drinks."

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:42 PM

"Mr. president, Colin Powell told you about this war that 'if you break it, you own it.' And now you're going around talking about an 'ownership society.' Well, Mr. President, let me tell you what you own. A million jobs lost. You own that. A thousand soldiers lost. You own that. 1.4 million new people living below the poverty line. You own that. 1.2 million less people covered by health insurance. You own that. A seventeen percent medicare increase. You own that. Health care costs skyrocketing. You own that. The tax burden increasing amongst the middle class. You own that. Mr. President, if you want to talk about an ownership society, let's talk about what you own."

Posted by: from dKos at September 13, 2004 11:42 PM

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GEORGE W BUSH BACKED HEAVILY TO WIN US ELECTIONS

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The most recent polls out show that George Bush, following the Republican National Convention, has pulled ahead to an eleven-point lead over John Kerry.

Based on the above news, it is hardly surprising the current President has been backed into a very short price to remain in office come the November election.

Kerry had hoped to experience a similar bounce in the polls after the Democratic National Convention in July, but this never really materialised.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:44 PM

Yes, I'm a freeper... and I'm damn proud to destroy America!!!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

Not enough balls to use your own nick to attack me?

Fuckin' low-class liberal! NONE of you have any honor! Like the slimeball you want to be president!

Kerry hypocrite on abortion

Posted: February 12, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

John Kerry may be a war hero, but he is a coward when it comes to articulating his position on abortion.

On Jan. 26, in Portsmouth, N.H., he declared himself to be the only Democrat in the race who hasn't "played games" on this issue. A week later, when it came time to head south where radical liberalism is a hard sell, it was difficult, if not impossible, to pin the "tale" on this donkey.

Boston Globe reporter Patrick Healy reported that, in Missouri, Kerry advisers circulated a newspaper article that said the Massachusetts senator personally opposed abortion "as an article of faith" because he is required to do so as a Catholic.

A transcript of his interview with Missouri reporters revealed that Kerry then went on to explain that a lawmaker should not "legislate his personal beliefs." Healy pointed out that this line was not included in the published story. How very fortunate for Mr.. Kerry! Had it been, Missouri voters would have known this man was either trying to sidestep the issue, or he is a total dork.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37071

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:44 PM

pt 1
Why Democrats shouldn't be scared - By Michael Moore

By Michael Moore / USA Today

NEW YORK — If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times from discouraged Democrats and liberals as the Republican convention here wrapped up this week. Their shoulders hunched, their eyes at a droop, they lower their voice to a whisper hoping that if they don't say it too loud it may not come true: "I...I...I think Bush is going to win."

Clearly, they're watching too much TV. Too much of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Zell Miller, Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani. Too much of swift boat veterans and Fox News commentators.

Action heroes always look good on TV. On Wednesday night, the GOP even made an action-hero video and showed it at the convention. There was White House political czar Karl Rove and other administration officials dressed up for "war" and going through boot camp on the National Mall inWashington.

I could only sit there in the convention hall and wish this were the real thing: Rove, national security adviser Condi Rice and Co. being sent to Iraq, and our boys and girls being brought home. But then the lights came up, and everyone sitting in the Bush family box was having a grand ol' hoot and a holler at the video they just saw.

For some reason, all of this has scared the bejabbers out of the Democrats. I can hear the wailing and moaning from Berkeley, Calif., to Cambridge,Mass. The frightening scenes from the convention have sent John Kerry's supporters looking for the shovels so they can dig their underground bunkers in preparation for another four years of the Dark Force.

I can't believe all of this whimpering and whining. Kerry has been ahead in many polls all summer long, but the Republicans come to New York for one week off-Broadway and suddenly everyone is dressed in mourning black and sitting shivah?

Exactly what moment was it during the convention that convinced them that the Republicans had now "connected" with the majority of Americans and that it was all over? Arnold praising Richard Nixon? Ooooh, that's a real crowd-pleaser. Elizabeth Dole decrying the removal of the Ten Comm

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:45 PM

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Report Filed by Galactic Observer GM108X.
re: State of Mind, USA, 1995: the problem of the Planetary Biosphere

CONT'D

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Never before in the 5,000-year history of
civilization has one people or nation absolutely
dominated the rest of the planet in its entirety
as does the USA today.

Not Rome, not Hitler's Germany, manifest such
absolute power with so much abuse of the truth.

American military supremacy and the philosophy of
military force as the chief principle of
political mediation are at the heart of world
affairs.

From the point of view of the American mind there
is no alternative whatsoever to the current state
and course of affairs.

Lacking all perspective, the inert momentum of
the American will must be seen as a major
contributing factor to the impending castrophe
that will very soon and inevitably engulf the
entire planet: the collapse of the planetary
biosphere
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report Filed by Galactic Observer GM108X.
re: State of Mind, USA, 1995: the problem of the Planetary Biosphere

Posted by: Galactic Observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:45 PM

Go to Canada-if Kerry steals the election, Al-Queda will take that as free reign to kill Americans.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:37 PM

really?
thats interesting. i thought our torture containment system in iraq was showing them AyeRabs a thing or two.

Bush stole his presidency.
Why the hell do neocons take everything their
own party does and accuse other people of doing it? It's so annoying.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:45 PM

pt 2
Exactly what moment was it during the convention that convinced them that the Republicans had now "connected" with the majority of Americans and that it was all over? Arnold praising Richard Nixon? Ooooh, that's a real crowd-pleaser. Elizabeth Dole decrying the removal of the Ten Commandments from a courthouse wall in Alabama? Yes, that's a big topic of conversation in the unemployment line in Akron, Ohio. Georgia Sen. Miller, a Democratic turncoat, looking like Freddy Krueger at an all-girls camp? His speech — and the look on what you could see of his strangely lit face — was enough for parents to send small children to their bedrooms.

My friends — and I include all Democrats, independents and recovering Republicans in this salutation — do not be afraid. Yes, the Bush Republicans huff and they puff, but they blow their own house down.

As many polls confirm, a majority of your fellow Americans believe in your agenda. They want stronger environmental laws, are strong supporters of women's rights, favor gun control and want the war in Iraq to end.

Rejoice. You're already more than halfway there when you have the public on board. Just imagine if you had to go out and do the work to convince the majority of Americans that women shouldn't be paid the same as men. All they ask is that you put up a candidate for president who believes in something and fights for those beliefs.

Is that too much to ask?

The Republicans have no idea how much harm they have done to themselves. They used to have a folk-hero mayor of New York named Rudy Giuliani. On 9/11, he went charging right into Ground Zero to see whom he could help save. Everyone loved Rudy because he seemed as though he was there to comfort all Americans, not just members of his own party.

But in his speech to the convention this week, he revised the history of that tragic day for partisan gain:

As chaos ensued, "spontaneously, I grabbed the arm of then-police commissioner Bernard Kerik and said to Bernie, 'Thank God George Bush is our president.' And I say it again tonight, 'Thank God George Bush is our president.' "

Please.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:45 PM

pt 3
Please.

There were the sub-par entertainers nobody knew. There was the show of "Black Republicans," "Arab-American Republicans" and other minorities they trot out to show how much they are loved by groups their policies abuse.

And there were the Band-Aids. The worst display of how out of touch the Republicans are was those Purple Heart Band-Aids the delegates wore to mock Kerry over his war wounds, which, for them, did not spill the required amount of blood.

What they didn't seem to get is that watching at home might have been millions of war veterans feeling that they were being ridiculed by a bunch of rich Republicans who would never send their own offspring to die in Fallujah or Danang.

Kerry supporters and Bush-bashers should not despair. These Republicans have not made a permanent dent in Kerry's armor. The only person who can do that is John Kerry. And by coming out swinging as he did just minutes after Bush finished his speech Thursday night, Kerry proved he knows that the only way to win this fight is to fight — and fight hard.

He must realize that he faces Al Gore's fate only if he fails to stand up like the hero he is, only if he sits on the fence and keeps justifying his vote for the Iraq war instead of just saying, "Look, I was for it just like 70% of America until we learned the truth, and now I'm against it, like the majority of Americans are now."

Kerry needs to trust that his victory is only going to happen by inspiring the natural base of the Democratic Party — blacks, working people, women, the poor and young people. Women and people of color make up 62% of this country. That's a big majority. Give them a reason to come out on Nov. 2.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:46 PM

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:41 PM
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YOU LIVE IN A REALITY OF DENIAL AND DEATH!!!

i'll ask my friend Jebus to pray for you!

Posted by: Galactic Observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:48 PM

Sarah Silverman has a potty mouth...

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 11:48 PM

"Fuckin' low-class liberal! NONE of you have any honor!"

Yeah. You're too good for the likes of us, so don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out :)

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:48 PM

How true and that's why the Vets are largely supporting Bush. Most Vets view Kerry the same way they view Hanoi Jane... worthless POS

Posted by: Spineless no-nic at September 13, 2004 11:41 PM
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time to pull out the veteran response again:

Of course they will, because veterans appreciate cuts in promised health benefits and services to war veterans of past conflicts. Because veterans think it is a good idea to not allow currently serving reservists and military dependents to recieve Tri-Care. Because veterans appreciate that 1000 dead men and women are enobled by the lies that sent them to their graves. Because veterans believe hazard is its own reward, so soldiers in war zones shouldn't be demeaned by receiving hazard pay. Because veterans all believe that sounding tough is more important than being right. Because veterans believe the Geneva Conventions are for sissies. For all these reasons American Veterans overwhelmingly support Bush.

Ummmmm.... wanna bet?

Posted by: nmark at September 13, 2004 11:48 PM

Posted by: Mel at September 13, 2004 11:48 PM

potty mouth rules!
(i'm watchin her on colin the nimrod show now...)

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:49 PM

"Why the hell do neocons take everything their
own party does and accuse other people of doing it? It's so annoying."

Thieves, liars and creeps always assume that everyone is just like them.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:50 PM

when are we all gonna take a field trip to an "opposition" blog?

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:50 PM

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Kerry´s Big Election Surrender

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Word on the street is that Kerry campaigns in Colorado, Missouri, and Arizona will soon be scuttled or stripped down to a skeleton outfit, leaving three non-Southern states for Kerry to try to move: Ohio, New Hampshire, and Nevada. In contrast, the Bush campaign is actively fighting for at least 9 states that Al Gore carried in 2000.

The more Kerry limits his offensive options, the easier it will be for Karl Rove and co. to concentrate Bush´s treasury on the handful of states where the Democrats must win in order to have a chance. Polls have indicated that blue states like Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa are more competitive than the red states Kerry is trying to turn. Several recent polls show the President within striking distance of states that have not voted Republican since the eighties.

That John Kerry is struggling to establish beachheads on his own turf is an omen that he is in worse shape than most people realize. It´s never a good sign for a Democratic presidential candidate when he is only leading his Republican opponent in Hawaii by the poll´s margin of error.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:50 PM

"Just maybe the men offended by Kerry's testimony never saw any combat or they were the ones committing the crimes and are feeling guilty. It has been widely reported that between one and three million innocent Vietnamese civilians were killed in the war. Somebody did that killing and that is a crime."

http://www.jamesglaser.org/2004/p20040825.html

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:50 PM

Drome-

I think at this point, it is probably a good
idea for everyone who is not a sheeple to leave.
Kerry can't hold the dam up forever, if he does win.

The NeoCon movement is here to stay.
The idiots have taken over the show.

They have already starting microchiping some
of the public. anyway, my problem is that I am
kind of stuck here. damnit

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:51 PM

Ummmmm.... wanna bet?

Posted by: nmark

Of course I'll bet. no wonder you are an unhappy hateful liberal. You are unable to face facts. Do some searches and see who the Vets support. See who they supported in 2000 if you have the courage

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:51 PM

If Americans elect George W. Bush as their president...

...they will DESERVE all the wrath of the world's EXTREME TERRORIST....

If Americans elect John F. Kerry as their president...

...they will have EARNED a (LAST) second chance to DEAL with the URGENT CRISIS facing the human planet....

Posted by: Galactic Observer GM108X at September 13, 2004 11:51 PM

Despite Kerry's courting, veterans say they trust President Bush more than Kerry as commander in chief, 56 percent to 38 percent, according to a report released yesterday by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36807-2004Aug26.html

Posted by: bosco at September 13, 2004 11:52 PM

yayayayaya!!!
we need to really heat this Fu**er up!

mebbe it'll be worth the swarms of drooling monsters comin out from under the bridge.

where do we start?
bosco/otherguy any ideas,
does freeper have a blog?

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:52 PM

You Liberals have NO honor!
~~~~~~~~~~~

My Honor is supporting MURDERERS AND THEIFS who HATE America...

BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS
BUSH KILLS...4 MORE YEARS

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:53 PM

wow conbo,
thats what i'm thinkin, cept i can leave next summer.

unless i get drafted huzzah!!!

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:53 PM

Them crazy, them crazy
We gonna chase those crazy
Baldheads out of town
Chase those crazy bladheads
Out of town

I and I build the cabin
I and I plant the corn
Didn't my people before me
Slave for this country
Now you look me with a scorn
Then you eat up all my corn

We gonna chase those crazy baldheads
Chase them crazy
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Build your penitentiary, we build your school
Brainwash education to make us the fools
Hate is your reward for our love
Telling us of your God above

We gonna chase those crazy
Chase those crazy bunkheads
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Here comes the conman
Coming with his con plan
We won't take no bribe, we got to stay alive

We gonna chase those crazy
Chase those crazy baldheads
Chase those crazy baldheads out of town

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:53 PM

Ah! Ya too rude
Oh what a rat race
Oh what a rat race
This is the rat race

Some a lawful, some a bastard
Some a jacket
Oh what a rat race, rat race

Some a gorgan, some a hooligan
Some a guine-gog
In this rat race. Yeah!
Rat race
I'm singing
When the cats away
The mice will play
Political violence fill ya city
Yea-ah!
Don't involve Rasta in your say say
Rasta don't work for no C.I.A
Rat race, rat race, rat race

When you think its peace and safety
A sudden destruction
Collective security for surety
Yeah!
Don't forget your history
Know your destiny
In the abundance of water
The fool is thirsty
Rat race, rat race, rat race

Oh it's a disgrace to see the
Human-race in a rat race, rat race
You got the horse race
You got the dog race
You got the human-race
But this is a rat race, rat race

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:55 PM

dont take my kindness fo weakness.
repeat
dont take my kindness fo weakness.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:55 PM

Bush stole his presidency.
Why the hell do neocons take everything their
own party does and accuse other people of doing it? It's so annoying.

Posted by: Conbo at September 13, 2004 11:45 PM

The ACLU: Fighting Against Democratic Vote-Stealing!

http://www.aclu.org/VotingRights/VotingRights.cfm?ID=7097&c=166

High Number of Voting Irregularities Leads to Federal Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality of Illinois Election Process
January 11, 2001

CHICAGO -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois today asked a federal judge to protect "the fundamental right to vote" for all persons, saying that inequalities, highlighted by the use of the error-ridden punch card voting system in many areas of the state, resulted in a disproportionate number of ballots from precincts with high racial minority populations going uncounted in the recent election.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

"The right to vote is the most fundamental right in our democracy," said Harvey Grossman, Legal Director for the ACLU of Illinois. "Every other privilege of citizenship flows from that right."

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:55 PM

Is Bush losing his marbles?

By GENE LYONS

Following President Bush's stunningly incoherent press conference, his media acolytes reintroduced one of their most useful fictions: the decadent, blue-state "Beltway-elite" vs. salt-of-the-earth, red-state "Real Americans." Based upon campaign electoral maps that colored Gore states in blue and Bush states red, it's a theme GOP imagineers have exploited since Newt Gingrich pronounced Democrats "enemies of normal Americans."

Even his admirers had to notice that Bush had no answer for the humiliating question of why he can't testify before the 9/11 Commission without Dick Cheney holding his hand.

http://www.decaturdailydemocrat.com/articles/2004/04/23/news/opinion/editorial02.txt

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 11:56 PM

"Just maybe the men offended by Kerry's testimony never saw any combat

Posted by: cathy in seattle

Oh for cryin' out loud lady read some of the statement from men who were pow's at the time and see what they have to say the effect of Kerry's testimony was. Put yourself in their place for a minute and think about it.. being beaten and told to repeat the things Kerry said. wake up, girl.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:56 PM

FOR BART

Ganja (Marijuana) is considered the "wisdom weed" by Rastafarians, as its use helps one to gain wisdom. Rastafarians use it as a part of a religious rite and as a means of getting closer to their inner spiritual self, Jah (God) and Creation.

Ganja is also seen by Rastafarians as the herb of life mentioned in the Bible. Rastafarians use of ganja is justified by the following Psalms 104:14 that says, "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle and herb for the service of man, that he may bring forth food out of the earth." Rastafarians also say it was found growing at the grave of King Solomon in the Bible.

Rastafarian consume it through smoking and eating (not recomended). The smoking of Ganja is a part of a religious ritual. When there is a large "reasoning" gathering of Rastafarians, a Chalice, which is a large smoking pipe, may be passed around and smoked. This is similar to the passing around of a communion cup by some Christian denominations. These gatherings are also called Nyahbinghi (also the name of a Rastafarian sect: Theocratic Priesthood and Livity Order of Nyahbinghi).

Posted by: aka MAT at September 13, 2004 11:56 PM

I've got a word of thanks
that I'd like to say
for the rage that I feel today.
Got stacks, got stacks
stacks of chips on my shoulder
in everything I do
cuz I made, I made
I made the mistake
the mistake of trusting you

Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just do
You liar
You liar
You liaaaaar
You liaaaaar

Yeah, my layers are thick
and I've got bad attitude.
Yeah that knife in my back
has fingerprints that belong to you.
Got a grudge, got a grudge
got a grudge that I'm holding
for as long as I like
cuz you lied, you lied
you lied to my face
and that's something that I can't forgive

Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
People like you just burn
You liar
You liar
You liaaaaar
You liaaaaar

Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just fuel my fire
People like you just fuel my fire
Yeah, people like you just do
You liar
You liar
You liaaaaar
You liaaaaar

Posted by: shell at September 13, 2004 11:56 PM

Time for you bath Honey...
I got you special lotion you like:)

say goodnight to you blogger buddies...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto's Mom at September 13, 2004 11:58 PM

Go sic those freeper and bush blogs :)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951626/posts

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:58 PM

NONE of you have any honor!"

----

and what is your idea of honor, mr high class poodle?

http://www.janajae.com/gallerysouthwest/Man%20of%20Honor.jpg
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I hope Bush will destroy the entire planet except the good ole USofA... and then we can finally own outright the planet, which is our birthright...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 13, 2004 11:41 PM

http://www.boxartgospel.com/IMAGES/untitled.jpg

theres a few in every country...
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A nation ... is just a society for hating foreigners.
Olaf Stapledon

Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed.
I. F. Stone

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 11:59 PM

fork i gotta write this forkin thing,
prolly night sweet blog!
national give a cracker a cracker for peace day 10/01/04
don forget.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:59 PM

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Bounce buoys Bush electoral-vote tally

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By Donald Lambro
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

President Bush leads John Kerry in enough states in the South, West and Midwest to put him within striking distance of the 270 electoral votes needed to win a second term, a state-by-state analysis by The Washington Times suggests.
Helped by a bounce from the Republican National Convention, his polling numbers have moved outside the margin of error in Florida, Ohio and West Virginia. Mr. Bush appears to be challenging Mr. Kerry as well in several large states in the East and Midwest. Democrats won those states in 2000.

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:59 PM

Ital food is for every day ital Uprising with health and strength. No more disease, sickness, death or low vibes. There is irie diet and way of life that brings everliving good health. Live clean let your works be seen. Stand firm or your gonna feed worm

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:00 AM

i love you Mr. Manifesto and Bosco...
can we go have some tea sometime...
because i love you... i'm gonna pray for you tonight...
LETS ALL BEAM OUR LOVE TO MR MANIFESTO and BOSCO... THEY SURE COULD USE IT (as we all can)...

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 12:00 AM

Bill Maher on Larry King repeat Now on CNN.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:00 AM

Rasta eat natural, total food - ital food. No salt, no chemicals, no flesh, no blood or white blood ( milk), no alcohol, no cigarettes. no drugs. Pure and clean. No stress. No pressure.

Every one shall find his own independent balance with what and when he eat, but I and I believe that Rasta kind of attitude to eating is properly not only for Rastafarians, but to every one who want live in vital and ecological way without killing. "Thou shall not kill"

http://www.nettilinja.fi/~hsaarist/AO.html

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:01 AM

Mr. Manifesto ... your're an old time troll here. I can't figure out which one, but your nick was suggested in April or May so you've been around that long anyway.

One of the Axis of Trolls, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:01 AM

Yes, me-ums wuvs mr. bosco the chocolate syrup bear, and mr. manifoldo :)

Posted by: Snuggly Bunny at September 14, 2004 12:02 AM

this isn't really talking man,
unless your just speaking out loud while you write which is, no offense, kinda nutty.

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:32 PM

Sometimes when I'm arguing with Nobody, I yell at the screen.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:03 AM

Of course I'll bet. no wonder you are an unhappy hateful liberal. You are unable to face facts. Do some searches and see who the Vets support. See who they supported in 2000 if you have the courage

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 11:51 PM
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There are tons of ASTROTURF veterans against Kerry sites. But I've talked to real people. The most vocally liberal people I know are Vietnam Vets. I have yet to find a single serviceman or woman who has returned from Iraq who has any intention of voting for Bush, or who says there is any significant support for him among the ranks of the enlisted.

I've talked to Jr officers in the Marine Corps who say they are solidly Democratic, and that even the more senior officers who tend to be Republican are defecting en mass.

I've talked to the proud Republican parents of soldiers serving overseas who have been convinced by their sons and daughters that they have to vote against this president in this election.

The solid support of the military for the Republican party is crumbling fast and furiously.

Posted by: nmark at September 14, 2004 12:03 AM

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Bounce buoys Kerry electoral-vote tally

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http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:03 AM

Bush loves you more than Kerry

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:03 AM

wow conbo,
thats what i'm thinkin, cept i can leave next summer.

unless i get drafted huzzah!!!

Posted by: drome at September 13, 2004 11:53 PM

_____________
ha
lucky
where are you going

my cousin lives in Sweden
and my sister lives in England
I asked them if I could go and live with them
if things get any worse
Even tho they are not freepers, they think i
am being over dramatic

my Dad, who used to be a freeper is so concerned
that he wants to move to Canada.

I am stuck here.
but I am putting money away for emegerency
stuff. don't know why. just a hunch.

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:04 AM

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Bush, Ohio's comeback kid

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Kerry supporters puzzled by his backslide in state

By R.W. Apple Jr.

NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE

COLUMBUS, Ohio - It wasn't supposed to be like this.

"I smell the same New England genius that I smelled in the Dukakis campaign in 1988," Austin added. "Kerry wants to run as a man of the people, and where do they put him for photo opportunities? Snowboarding in Sun Valley, shooting skeet in the Ohio Valley and windsurfing off that great working-class vacation paradise, Nantucket."

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:04 AM

Each person votes individually. Who their union or fraternal order says that they endorse don't mean shit when the curtain is pulled. It's just you and your god.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:05 AM

Hi, shell...glad to read your kitties are happy!

Posted by: RomanDolly at September 14, 2004 12:05 AM

you is strong warrior MAT.....

the Earth is glad to have you on its side.....

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 12:05 AM

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/mp3/

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:06 AM

Bounce buoys Kerry electoral-vote tally

HA ha HA ha HA ha

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:06 AM

from:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0913-01.htm

Would he meet Bush`s challenge and answer yes or no to the question of whether he still would have voted to go to war in Iraq, knowing what he knows now?

"I'm ready for any challenge," Kerry responded, "and I'll answer it directly.

``Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it is the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority, as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively."

________________________________________________

The vote wasn't "to go to war in Iraq"
it was a vote giving the president that
option if it was necessary:

from:
http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994)

From this clause in the Iraq War Resolution
and what we have found both prior to the war
with Blitz and the UN Weapons Inspectors saying
they thought they could do their work and wanted
to continue and what we've not found after the
invasion, Bush's Iraq War wasn't necessary.
Not from hindsight, from proper foresight.

Kerry says he would have allowed the inspections to continue their work and make sure there was a
Coalition that didn't place 90% of the cost in
both dollars and lives paid by us when a

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:06 AM

thank you romandolly

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:06 AM

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 12:05 AM

Thank you 13ben I try! I can feel the earth everyday and she is sad.

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:07 AM

she's sad because she's gonna make it, and she wants so bably for us to make it too!

.....

keep it up antropical....

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 12:09 AM

> read some of the statement from men who were pow's at the time<

Give me a name and a link.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 12:09 AM

shell...would you believe that Rita flew to Texas with Ella on her lap! Ella was freaked out and the airline didn't say anything. Hope she makes it back with her kitty.

Posted by: RomanDolly at September 14, 2004 12:09 AM

Electoral College Count:

Bush 269 Kerry 228
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:10 AM

BORING CORRECTION:
thats badly, not bably......

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 12:10 AM

I feel the earth move under my feet.
I feel the sky tumbling down a-tumbling down...

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:10 AM

Electoral College Count:

Bush 233 Kerry 269

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:10 AM

Sign of the times:
Yard signs in front of a house with yellow ribbons circling each tree trunk saying "We Support President Bush and Our Troops" ... Only in the several months the homeowners have placed duct tape over part of the message so that it now reads "We Support Our Troops".

Get the message?

Posted by: nmark at September 14, 2004 12:11 AM

"Mini Me, we don't gnaw on our kitty."

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:11 AM

US TROOPS IN IRAQ ARE LIKELY TO TURN AGAINST THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, JUST AS TROOPS IN VIETNAM TURNED AGAINST NIXON IN THAT FAILED WAR:

"... There was a nationwide network of GI coffeehouses just off-base where anti-war disaffected soldiers could get anti-war literature, and talk freely with one another about the war. There was also a network of GI anti-war newspapers, which were passed around within the military. ...

"... In the summer of 1970, twenty-eight commissioned officers of the military, including some veterans of Vietnam, saying they represented about 250 other officers, announced formation of the Concerned Officers Movement against the war.

"One motivation for Nixon’s shift from ground troops to air war was to get around this increasing stiff resistance to fighting a war that the troops increasingly opposed. ..."

http://structureoflies.blogspot.com/2004/08/swift-boat-lies-re-fight-french.html

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 12:11 AM

My Honor is supporting MURDERERS AND THEIFS who HATE America...

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto Wanna Be at September 13, 2004 11:53 PM

The only THIEF that is running, you illiterate idiot, is Kerry!

Dems: Kerry's Senate Record Off-Limits, Too
David Limbaugh September 3, 2004

Democrats are afraid the people are going to find out about John Kerry's Senate record. That's the only way you can explain their incessant accusations that Republicans are being mean and angry when they merely discuss his record.

The idea that Democrats have been selling is that a factual airing of their default presidential candidate's record is dirty politics.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20040903.shtml

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM

> read some of the statement from men who were pow's at the time<

Give me a name and a link.

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/LettersPOWS.htm

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM

http://www.reggaeshow.com/dir.htm

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM

> read some of the statement from men who were pow's at the time<

Give me a name and a link.

Posted by: cathy in seattle

thats the problem with you people you have to be spoonfed. I could to it for you but it's time you are weened. do some searches learn to walk by yourself

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM

Liquor, Tobacco and Fire Arms

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:13 AM

Electoral College Count:

Bush 269 Kerry 228
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/RCP_EC.html

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:14 AM

Mr. Manifesto ... your're an old time troll here. I can't figure out which one, but your nick was suggested in April or May so you've been around that long anyway.

One of the Axis of Trolls, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:01 AM

And that's important why?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:15 AM

be proud
1
http://www.graphicwitness.org/coe/nwos.jpg
2
http://www.newhumanist.com/corporatenews.jpg
3
http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/New-World-Order.jpg
4
http://0100101110101101.org/home/nikeground/img/NikeMonument.jpg
5
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/greenact/images/resist_new_world_order_small.gif
6
http://www.caterpillar.org.uk/warning/btn76.gif
7
http://www.deekoo.net/imageria/bush.new.world.order.gif
8
http://www.maxoegames.com/mariostory/images/mario-golf2.jpg
9
http://usa.altermedia.info/images/New%20World%20Order.JPG

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 12:16 AM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Latest CNN/Gallup poll shows Kerry takes lead in North Carolina and Ohio - Bush Camp Looking Tired

Monday, September 13, 2004 Posted: 10:34 PM EDT (0234 GMT)

North Carolina
Bush 43% Kerry 49%

Ohio
Bush 44% Kerry 48%

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:16 AM

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/openhopo.htm

OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL POLITICIANS,
AND OTHERS IN A POSITION OF
AUTHORITY

"Please keep in mind that not all openly homosexual/bisexual elected people are 100% for equal homosexual civil rights. We have uncle toms just like other minority groups. They may be opposed to same-sex marriage, serving openly in the military, adoption rights or new reproductive technology,just to name a few.

Their voting record may show them voting 99% pro-gay,but if it is not 100%, they can never be trusted to be there for us.?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:17 AM

Why the West is Losing

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091404W.shtml

"U.S. military operations in the Muslim world," he adds, "validate bin Laden's contention the U.S. is attacking Islam and supports any country willing to kill or persecute Muslims."

Scheuer, breaking the ultimate taboo, observes of Washington's "one-way alliance" with Israel that "Israelis have succeeded in lacing tight the ropes binding the American Gulliver to the ... Jewish state and its policies."

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are lost causes, Scheuer concludes. The U.S. is totally unable to create legitimate governments in either chaotic nation, only puppet regimes, supported by American bayonets.

If the U.S. stays, it will bleed endlessly; if it retreats, it faces political disaster.

Washington, he charges, has no strategy and is merely "winging it."

In one of his most acute insights, Scheuer explains the U.S. cannot, for all of its riches, buy its way to victory in Afghanistan or Iraq.

"Honour is still the currency of value in the Middle East, more so than goods and services."

Blood-links trump all other affiliations or loyalties.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:18 AM

Will that be cash, check or finger?

By ALISON ROBERTS
Sacramento (Calif.) Bee
09/13/2004

...But it is life at the office that will drive widespread acceptance of biometrics, predicts Trevor Prout, director of marketing for the International Biometric Group, a consulting and research firm in New York. "I think people will become more comfortable with these technologies through the workplace," he says.

read entire article here:
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/business/2004/09/13willthatbecash,.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:18 AM

YAY! I LOVE GAY POLITICIANS!!!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:19 AM

I sorry, I didn't mean to call you illiterate...
I forgot who my president was for a second there... OOPS!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:19 AM

Mr. Manifesto, keep posting,
your stuff isn't exactly the
jerky you can sharpen your
teeth on but a good yogurt
does help with the digestion.

You've been slapped down several
times here and I rather enjoy seeing
you sitting on your arse.

Kerry on !!

Posted by: Ajax at September 14, 2004 12:19 AM

You've been slapped down several
times here and I rather enjoy seeing
you sitting on your arse.

Kerry on !!

Posted by: Ajax at September 14, 2004 12:19 AM

This is my FIRST day posting here, and no one has shown me up yet!

Damn, I'm not even trying that hard!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:21 AM

> read some of the statement from men who were pow's at the time<

Give me a name and a link.

http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/LettersPOWS.htm

Posted by: Spineless no-nick at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM
----------------
"Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry" is one of those fake 'grassroots' organizations run by PR firms and funded by campaign surrogates. The head of this fake group is a real winner:
------------
Ted Sampley is head of the Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry and is responsible for the 1992 fake photo of John Kerry shooting an American MIA in Vietnam with the caption: Kerry eliminates another MIA from his discrepancy list. Sampley has a long history of working against both John Kerry & John McCain dating to the POW/MIA hearings. He even served jail time for starting a fight with John McCain's staff. Sampley was also given a restraining order.
---------------

Posted by: nmark in Toledo at September 14, 2004 12:21 AM

http://www.knowledge.com/Top/Society/Politics/Directories

Crap Load Of Political Sites

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:22 AM

I'm sorry, Ajax....

I know, all I got is the same BS as all the other Freepers, but I just can't stand to see America win back Democratic Justice...

Maybe I could just start accusing Kerry of all of Bush and Cheney's crimes......yeah that's what I'll do

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:23 AM

IRAQ: It's Worse Than You Think
By Scott Johnson and Babak Dehghanpisheh
Newsweek

As much as ordinary Iraqis may hate the insurgents, they blame the Americans for creating the whole mess. Three months ago Iraqi troops and U.S.-dominated "multinational forces" pulled out of Samarra, and insurgents took over the place immediately. "The day the MNF left, people celebrated in the streets," says Kadhim, the Interior spokesman. "But that same day, vans arrived in town and started shooting. They came from Fallujah and other places and they started blowing up houses." Local elders begged Allawi's government to send help. "The leaders of the tribes come to see us and they say, 'Really, we are scared, we don't like these people'," Kadhim continues. "But we just don't have the forces at the moment to help them." Last week negotiators reached a tentative peace deal, but it's not likely to survive long. The Iraqi National Guard is the only homegrown security force that people respect, and all available ING personnel are deployed elsewhere.

Will Iraq's troubles get even worse? "The insurgency can certainly sustain what it's doing for a while," says a senior U.S. military official. Many educated Iraqis aren't waiting to find out. Applicants mobbed the courtyard of the Baghdad passport office last week, desperate for a chance to escape. Police fired shots in the air, trying to control the crowd. "Every day there is shooting, gunfire, people killed, headaches for lack of sleep," said Huda Hussein, 34, a Ph.D. in computer science who has spent the past year and a half looking for work. "I want to go to a calm place for a while." It's too bad for Iraq - and for America - that the insurgents don't share that wish.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091404V.shtml

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:23 AM

Kerry on my wayward son.
They'll be peace when Bush is gone
Lay his fucking head to rest
We should cry no more...

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:24 AM

http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/swallowtail/408/addresses.htm

Email Addresses of the Politicians of the World

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:24 AM

I enjoy having sex with dogs!

I just wish they weren't so much smarter than me. It makes me insecure in these relationships

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:25 AM

This is my FIRST day posting here, and no one has shown me up yet!

Damn, I'm not even trying that hard!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:21 AM

I am surprized that the nickname stealing doesn't upset anyone-maybe it's only an issue when it happens to you.

Much like the estate tax.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:25 AM

I confess......

BUSH LIED AND 1000 USA KIDS DEAD
BUSH IS A TRAITOR

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:26 AM

http://livingroomcandidate.movingimage.us/index.php

Presidential campaign commericals from 1952-2004

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:27 AM

Keep your seniors high
your parents buzz
will slowly go bye
And teach them how to roll
the joint they lick
will slowly burn by

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:27 AM

kerry lied while good men died

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:27 AM

I confess......

BUSH LIED AND 1000 USA KIDS DEAD
BUSH IS A TRAITOR

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:26 AM

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:27 AM

FOR BART

http://www.rastajohn.com/

Posted by: Miss Anne Thropic at September 14, 2004 12:27 AM

i knew it.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:28 AM

go mel.......

i know its gotta make you happy to see Mr. Manifesto exposed as the MURDER supporting fool he his.....

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:29 AM

>>http://www.vnsfvetakerry.com/LettersPOWS.htm
Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM<<

Paul Galante, the vet who alleges that he was tortured because of Kerry's testamony, appeared in the Swift Boat ads, which have been connected to the Bush campaign.

Here's a good site to get a fair assessment of Kerry's testamony compared to the Swift Boat Vets accusations.

"Group quotes Kerry's descriptions of atrocities by US forces. In fact, atrocities did happen."
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=244

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 12:29 AM

good men died while BUSH snorted COKE and racked up the DUI's

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:30 AM

Neo cons will help destroy America if it will help Israel.

Israel comes first before America.
-American neo cons.

Posted by: topo gigo at September 14, 2004 12:30 AM

The ULTIMATE Kitten Post

http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/003149.html

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:30 AM

""This is my FIRST day posting here, and no one has shown me up yet!

Damn, I'm not even trying that hard!"

That's becasue you are fooling yourself.

Just because you have you fingers in your ears and are screaming, "LA-LA, LA-LA-LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU," doesn't mean people aren't talking to you

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 12:31 AM

Kerry on my wayward son.
They'll be peace when Bush is gone
Lay his fucking head to rest
We should cry no more...

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:24 AM

thats great!:)

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:31 AM

WEB OF LIES COMING DOWN!

THE DEMOCRAT ATTACK TEAM IS LOSING A BIG ONE!

Expert cited by CBS didn't verify papers
Says he only examined officer's signature

By Michael Dobbs and Howard Kurtz
The Washington Post
Updated: 11:22 p.m. ET Sept. 13, 2004

The lead expert retained by CBS News to examine disputed memos from President Bush's former squadron commander in the National Guard said yesterday that he examined only the late officer's signature and made no attempt to authenticate the documents themselves.

"There's no way that I, as a document expert, can authenticate them," Marcel Matley said in a telephone interview from San Francisco. The main reason, he said, is that they are "copies" that are "far removed" from the originals.

Matley's comments came amid growing evidence challenging the authenticity of the documents aired Wednesday on CBS's "60 Minutes." ...On last night's "CBS Evening News," Rather said again that the network "believes the documents are authentic."

A detailed comparison by The Washington Post of memos obtained by CBS News with authenticated documents on Bush's National Guard service reveals dozens of inconsistencies, ranging from conflicting military terminology to different word-processing techniques.

The analysis shows that half a dozen Killian memos released earlier by the military were written with a standard typewriter using different formatting techniques from those characteristic of computer-generated documents. CBS's Killian memos bear numerous signs that are more consistent with modern-day word-processing programs, particularly Microsoft Word.

"I am personally 100 percent sure that they are fake," said Joseph M. Newcomer, author of several books on Windows programming, who worked on electronic typesetting techniques in the early 1970s. Newcomer said he had produced virtually exact replicas of the CBS documents using Microsoft Word formatting and the Times New Roman font.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5993683/

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:32 AM

Bin Laden wants Bush elected so he can have the pleasure of destroying him for all to see.
This time it's personal.
As Arnold runs like a girly man once Bin Laden comes for him.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:32 AM

Introduction

The emergence of the interactive mediaspace may offer a new model for
cooperation. Although it may have disappointed many in the technology
industry, the rise of interactive media, the birth of a new medium,
the battle to control it and the downfall of the first victorious
camp, taught us a lot about the relationship of ideas to the media
through which they are disseminated. Those who witnessed, or better,
have participated in the development of the interactive mediaspace
have a very new understanding of the way that cultural narratives are
developed, monopolised and challenged. And this knowledge extends, by
allegory and experience, to areas far beyond digital culture, to the
broader challenges of our time.

As the world confronts the impact of globalism, newly revitalised
threats of fundamentalism, and the emergence of seemingly
irreconcilable value systems, it is incumbent upon us to generate a
new reason to believe that living interdependently is not only
possible, but preferable to the competitive individualism,
ethnocentrism, nationalism and particularism that have characterised
so much of late 20th century thinking and culture.

http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/10753

Posted by: Open Source Democracy at September 14, 2004 12:32 AM

POWs against Kerry? Are they aware they would lokely still be in Hanoi if it wasn't for people who had the guts to stop the war, like Kerry?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 12:33 AM

Holy Crap Fish! Those kitty's have me in shock and Awww!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:34 AM

So who is nic stealing, Mr. Manifesto?

That nic was suggested to me back in April or May and I used it for a few posts. Go back to your own tired old Axis of Trolls name. Ashamed of it?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:35 AM

POWs against Kerry?

America is so fucked up and neo cons so corrupt.

But your corruption will catch up with you sooner or later and there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:36 AM

I prefer this poll

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5771230/site/newsweek/

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:37 AM

POWs against Kerry?

Like mothers murdering their own children.
Fucked up and doesn't make sense.

Posted by: drown the swift boat liars at September 14, 2004 12:38 AM

Columnist Stanley Kurtz is puzzled. Why, he wonders, are CBS and ''Democrat Dan'' Rather insisting on mainting the pretense that the documents purporting to impeach the National Guard service of President Bush back in 1972 and 1973 are legitimate, when the evidence that they are fraudulent is becoming overwhelming? The most obvious answer, he writes in National Review, is a desperate desire to protect the John Kerry campaign. If the release of the documents were traced back to Kerry, his chances of becoming president would be zero.

Beyond that, Kurtz says, we are seeing a significant alignment of the mainsteam media to being overtly partisan rather than simply biased. To say they have been liberal is like saying the sun is hot, but now they seem to be moving to outright advocacy. That CBS would knowingly use forged documents (if in fact that happened, as the evidence indicates) in order to influence a presidential campaign is outright scandalous. Writes Kurtz: ''In the middle of the most divisive presidential election in years, we have to assume that the CBS audience itself is far more interested in helping John Kerry than in getting to the bottom of the forgery issue.'' Read excerpts of his column below. A link to the entire story follows:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9686&catcode=11

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:38 AM

POW/MIA FAMILIES
AGAINST
JOHN KERRY

http://www.powmiafamiliesagainstjohnkerry.com/whoweare.htm

Ann Holland, wife
T/Sgt. Melvin Holland USAF
Laos March 11, 1968
National Coordinator
POW/MIA Families Against John Kerry
againstkerry@aol.com

Joan Shelton, daughter
P.O.W. Col.Charles E. Shelton, USAF
Laos April 29, 1965

Cindi Atwood, sister
SP/5 Michael F May USA 5th SF
March 02 1969 Cambodia

Mary Milliner, mother
CWO William Milliner USA
Laos March 6, 1971

Joseph Milliner, father
CWO William Milliner USA
Laos March 6, 1971

Virgie James, Mother
Capt. Samuel Larry James USAF
Cambodia 4-18-73

Connie Mangino, wife
SP/4 Thomas Mangino USA
So. Vietnam April 21, 1967

Barbara White, sister,
Samuel Larry James USAF
Cambodia 4-18-73

Jeanie Hasenbeck, sister
PFC Paul Hasenbeck USA
So. Vietnam April 21, 1967

Bob White, brother in law,
Samuel Larry James USAF
Cambodia 4-18-73

Doris Maitland, sister
A.F.Smsgt. Andre R. Guillet USAF
Laos May 18, 1966

Mrs. Mary Matejov, Mother
Sgt Joseph Matejov USAF
Laos, 5 Feb 1973
John Matejov, brother of
Sgt Joseph Matejov USAF
Shot down 5 Feb 1973

Nora Diane Moore, daughter
P.O.W. CMS Thomas Moore, USAF
So. Vietnam Oct. 31 1965
William Matthes, Brother
Peter Matthes USAF
Laos Nov. 24, 1969

Gwen Hall Davis, sister
Capt. Harley H. Hall USN
So. Vietnam 27 Jan. 1973

Nell (Miller) Smith, mother
Maj. Curtis Daniel Miller
Laos March 29, 1972

Kathryn Fanning, wife
Major Hugh M.Fanning, USMC
North VietNam Oct. 31, 1967

Donald Smith, step father
Maj. Curtis Daniel Miller
Laos March 29, 1972

Jon J Andren, brother
PFC David M. Winters USA
So. Vietnam April 21, 1967

Dolores Apodaca Alfond, sister
Major Victor J. Apodaca USAF
No. Vietna

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:39 AM

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In the world that we are living in, it becomes harder and harder everyday to be able to eat decent food. Over the last eight years, I have found a growing interest in feeding myself the best possible way. I strongly believe that chemicals are not part of a healthy diet. I also became vegetarian, but that was more of a spiritual choice than a healthy choice.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/roots.reggae/ital/food.htm

Posted by: Miss Anne Thropic at September 14, 2004 12:39 AM

http://noosphere.cc/
http://noosphere.cc/overview.html
http://noosphere.cc/links.html

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The acceptance speech of the presidential nominee is the climatic event of modern national party conventions.

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:40 AM

One Thousand Reasons to Vote Against George Bush Compiled by One Thousand Reasons.
http://www.thousandreasons.org/listB.html

Reasons are in alphabetical order, by category.
Last updated Friday, September 10, 2004, 5:45 PM

Attitude: Card says president sees America as a child needing a parent
NEW YORK -- White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card said yesterday that President Bush views America as a ''10-year-old child" in need of the sort of protection provided by a parent.

Card's remark, criticized later by Democrat John F. Kerry's campaign as ''condescending," came in a speech to Republican delegates from Maine and Massachusetts that was threaded with references to Bush's role as protector of the country. Republicans have sounded that theme repeatedly at the GOP convention as they discuss the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and the war in Iraq.

''It struck me as I was speaking to people in Bangor, Maine, that this president sees America as we think about a 10-year-old child," Card said. ''I know as a parent I would sacrifice all for my children."

The comment underscored an argument put forth some by political pundits, such as MSNBC talk-show host Chris Matthews, that the Republican Party has cast itself as the ''daddy party." Boston Globe Tuesday September 07, 2004

Attitude: Strong men who won't ask directions
IF NOTHING else, the Republican National Convention is bound to revive all those jokes about men and driving.

"Why does it take a million sperm to fertilize one egg? They won't ask directions." "Why were the Jews lost in the desert for 40 years? Moses wouldn't stop to ask directions." You know the drill.

These were the jokes about boys who grew up as if they had MapQuest in their DNA hard drive. By the time men got behind the wheel -- of the car or the country -- they had to know where they were going. Or at least act as if they did.

Now the line is back, only without the punch.

This year's RNC was the RMC, the Real Men Convention. The polls show that half of all Americans think the country is on the wrong track. But the delega

Posted by: topo gigo at September 14, 2004 12:41 AM

- POLITICAL DISCOURSE BEGINS WITH HONESTY -

Not until the Republicans begin to be honest with themselves regarding the values that their party represents; not until Republicans begin to be honest with themselves regarding the kind of world they hope to leave to their children; not until the Republicans adopt the skills of discourse demanded by all honourable people will political discourse become disentangled from the doctrinaire conceits of the Anti-American Right.

The first step that Republicans must take is to acknowledge their deeply-held aspirations for a totalitarian state. For but one example, please follow along:

Republicans famously state the difference between democrats and republicans is that democrats "trust" government, while republicans "distrust" the government. Nothing could be further from the truth.

As President Reagan once said about American-Soviet policy: "Trust, but verify."

Democrats prefer national policies to be decided in the open. As U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."

Republicans prefer policies to be set in secret; and no US government has been as secretive as the White House under George W. Bush.

Furthermore, Republicans wish to "privatize" many government services, and this also inevitably leads to more secrecy since corporations, unlike democratic governments, may hide behind a veil of "corporate secrecy".

Whether the issue involves voting machines, prison administration, or mercenaries fighting foreign wars, corporations are more than merely reluctant to inform the american citizens of their operational decisions; indeed, these corporations claim "secrecy" to be their right as a corporate entity.

The facts - available to all literate people - shows that Republicans "trust" like innocent babies, who believe their parents can do no wrong.

Democrats, who by and large behave as adults, trust government only insofar as government in transparent - and even then, democrats support grass-roots watch-dogs, who keep close eye on the government's integrity.

A further wrinkle in this Republican infantilism, regarding their unquestioning trust in gov

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 12:41 AM

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Hemp Cuisine Recipes .
Hempseed Milk : Ingredients: 4 oz clean seed, 1 oz almonds, 1 or 2 figs to taste. Method: Blend all ingredients in a food processor with 2 tablespoons of cold water. Add 1 pint of water and stir thouroughly. Chill for 1 hour.

http://www.geocities.com/arrayedroots/ARSIta.html

Posted by: Miss Anne Thropic at September 14, 2004 12:42 AM

For an even wider assortment of perspectives, internet users were free
to engage directly with the so-called enemy, as in the case of a blog
called Dear Raed, written by what most internet experts came to regard
as a real person living in Baghdad, voicing his opposition to the war.
This daily journal of high aspirations for peace and a better life in
Baghdad became one of the most read sources of information and opinion
about the war on the web.

Clearly, the success of sites like Dear Raed stem from our
increasingly complex society's need for a multiplicity of points of
view on our most pressing issues, particularly when confronted by a
mainstream mediaspace that appears to be converging on single,
corporate and government approved agenda. These alternative
information sources are being given more attention and credence than
they might actually deserve, but this is only because they are the
only ready source of oppositional, or even independent thinking
available. Those who choose to compose and disseminate alternative
value systems may be working against the current and increasingly
concretised mythologies of market, church and state, but they
ultimately hold the keys to the rebirth of all three institutions in
an entirely new context.

~Open Source Democracy

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:45 AM

Mr. Manifesto sounds very much like Celticman who sounds like Phungus.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM

RFID:

(pronounced as separate letters) Short for radio frequency identification, a technology similar in theory to bar code identification. With RFID, the electromagnetic or electrostatic coupling in the RF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is used to transmit signals. An RFID system consists of an antenna and a transceiver, which read the radio frequency and transfer the information to a processing device, and a transponder, or tag, which is an integrated circuit containing the RF circuitry and information to be transmitted.
RFID systems can be used just about anywhere, from clothing tags to missiles to pet tags to food -- anywhere that a unique identification system is needed. The tag can carry information as simple as a pet owners name and address or the cleaning instruction on a sweater to as complex as instructions on how to assemble a car. Some auto manufacturers use RFID systems to move cars through an assembly line. At each successive stage of production, the RFID tag tells the computers what the next step of automated assembly is.

One of the key differences between RFID and bar code technology is RFID eliminates the need for line-of-sight reading that bar coding depends on. Also, RFID scanning can be done at greater distances than bar code scanning. High frequency RFID systems (850 MHz to 950 MHz and 2.4 GHz to 2.5 GHz) offer transmission ranges of more than 90 feet, although wavelengths in the 2.4 GHz range are absorbed by water (the human body) and therefore has limitations.

RFID is also called dedicated short range communication (DSRC).

definition from here:
http://inews.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RFID.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM

Neo cons will help destroy America if it will help Israel.

----

international corporations will destroy both if it will help maximize short term profit

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM

^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*HOLY CRAP SHELLY*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
You have to see this! It cute not scary!

http://www.andreaharner.com/archives/000561.html

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM

>>Mr. Manifesto sounds very much like Celticman who sounds like Phungus.
Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM<,

with a little frank. thrown in.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 12:47 AM

That's the problem, they never
get the numbers right.

Bush lied and over a 1000 US died,
7 000 wounded ? Are the wounded
that die count as the dead ?
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

As far as we know somewhere around
12 to 14 000 dead civilian Iraqis.
Wounded ?
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

That's a lot of dead people,
that's a lot of people missing
blood and flesh and bones
and loved ones.

Posted by: Ajax at September 14, 2004 12:47 AM

A further wrinkle in this Republican infantilism, regarding their unquestioning trust in govrnment:
Republicans trust government MOST in precisely those areas where governments are likely to do the most harm - in areas such as criminal justice, capital punishment, and prosecuting foreign wars. In such areas, Republicans prefer government to be kept totally secret from the citizens; and, even more preferable to Republicans, these areas are deemed to be open to private enterprise, excluding government oversight entirely.

When Republicans become honest and honorable, they will be forced to admit: democrats require transparency and openness in government, while Republicans prefer the secrecy available to totalitarian states.

In other words, Democrats believe in democracy; Republicans admire totalitarianism.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 12:48 AM

you'd better run while you can fishie...
i'm falling in tiny fuzzy kitten love with you!!!
xoxox
:)
how can anyone be upset after seeing kittens?
right mat?

****

quietly sayin hi to ilo so as not to interrupt her train of thought...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:48 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - For the driver looking for more in a pickup -- one that dwarfs the Hummer and the Ford F-350 -- Navistar has just the ride for you.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:49 AM

>>Mr. Manifesto sounds very much like Celticman who sounds like Phungus.
Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 14, 2004 12:46 AM<,

with a little frank. thrown in.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 12:47 AM

SO AGREE now what should we do? SCROlling, scrolling. keep on scrolling

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:50 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - For the driver looking for more in a pickup -- one that dwarfs the Hummer and the Ford F-350 -- Navistar has just the ride for you.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:49 AM

______________________
Good Greivious!

That thing is a mini semi!
Maybe they want a generation of truck drivers

Gross

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:51 AM

2 die 4 MAT!!!
that is the smallest fawn i've ever seen before...i guess if they're abandoned or something young enough maybe you can raise them....? (or have yer dog raise em..hee hee)
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:52 AM

>>SO AGREE now what should we do? SCROlling, scrolling. keep on scrolling
Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:50 AM<<

aka MAT...the voice of reason!

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 12:52 AM

So who is nic stealing, Mr. Manifesto?
Mr. Manifesto ... your're an old time troll here. I can't figure out which one, but your nick was suggested in April or May so you've been around that long anyway.

One of the Axis of Trolls, I'm guessing.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:01 AM

That nic was suggested to me back in April or May and I used it for a few posts. Go back to your own tired old Axis of Trolls name. Ashamed of it?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:35 AM

So-you waited 30 minutes to tell me that you used to use this nick? A little disingenuous, isn't it?

Or just a BIG LIAR-kind of like this weasel:

WHO IS BEN BARNES?
A Deep-Pocketed Kerry Partisan Who Can't Keep His Stories Straight
______________________________________________

Barnes Under Oath

*Under Oath, Barnes Testified He Had No Contact With Bush Family Concerning National Guard.

*Barnes Said Reports He Helped Bush At His Father's Urging Were "False."

*In Fall Of 1999, Barnes Said Bush Family Never Asked To Get President Bush Into National Guard.

...But Now, Barnes' Story "Subject To Change"

*Today, Barnes Claims He Is "Ashamed" He Got President Bush Into Texas Air National Guard.

*Yet, According To February 2004 New York Times Article, Barnes' Story "Was Subject To Change And There Were No Documents To Support His Claims."

*Barnes Is Kerry Fundraiser And Advisor

*Ben Barnes Is Kerry Campaign Vice-Chair, Raising Over $100,000 For Campaign. (Kerry For President Website, www.johnkerry.com/fec/, Accessed 9/4/04)

*Barnes Is Considered "A Definite In" In Kerry Administration.

*Barnes Is Kerry "Super-Bundler" Fundraiser.

Barnes' Ethical Mishaps

*In 1998, Barnes Was Accused Of Funneling $500,000 To Former Sales Manager Of Corporation Running Texas Lottery.

*Sharpstown Bank Scandal In 1971 Ended Barnes' Political Career.

http://www.gop.com/RNCResearch/Read.aspx?ID=4625

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:52 AM

Thank you Shelly -
Maybe you noticed: my fingers are blistered. (Did I pass the audition?)

[thinking of The Beatles' White Album]

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 12:53 AM

One time I crawled on my back though a storm drain for a 1/4 mile to rescue four little kittens. The rain was coming and the mama would not bring them out on her own
the mama had birthed 6 but only 4 were still alive.

when I got them home they had little bites all over them that filled with pus. It was horrible one by one they died and there was nothing I could do cause I was poor and could not afford a vet! It was a huge BUMMMER.

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:54 AM

Is that Barnes or O'Neill ?

Posted by: Ajax at September 14, 2004 12:54 AM

RFID Makes Its Mark
By Susan Kuchinskas

Is that an embedded RFID tag or just a lump? Soon, workers will be able to tell at a glance.

read entire article here:
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3406971

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:55 AM

crap! ilo! how many times can i listen to dear prudence and blackbird and rocky...i'm like a robot when i get reminded of that....
must
go
put
on
white
album
again
:)
(hey i missed out on a lot of years of liking the beatles)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 12:57 AM

I'm Manifesto and I approve Glow Sticks up my ASS...

Just like those terrorist at Abu Guarib....

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:57 AM

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:54 AM

Okay, I think that deserves a collective

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
How sweet:)

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 12:58 AM

Scrolling scrolling scrolling
keep that mouse wheel rolling
Bush's ass is swollen
Raw hide

move it up
pull it down
read the name
scroll past

light 'em up
burn em down
what's that smell
troll ass

Troll Aassss!!!
Raw Hiiiide!!!!

Raw hide.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:58 AM

Sweet but stupid. You should have seen the nail and hair girls getting grossed out cause I was crawling though a pipe. that was the best part was watching and listening to them freaking out.

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:00 AM

~~~ So-you waited 30 minutes to tell me that you used to use this nick? A little disingenuous, isn't it? ~~~

Didn't realize I was being timed.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:01 AM

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 12:52 AM
=========================
Barnes' story is entirely consistent, and if you read closely you'd agree.

Barnes was called upon to help young George Bush, not by the young man's father, but by a Bush family friend.

In similar fashion - Republicans claim President Clinton "committed perjury" in a "grand jury". Please read the Starr Report, because this is FALSE.

President Clinton was not questioned about Monica Lewinsky at a grand jury, but in a civil law deposition, and the two are substantially different. Furthermore, "perjury" is a legal term of art, and is inapplicable to the procedure of the deposition.

Typical. Republicans get so easily confused by facts; preferring ideology over substantive truth. (Yet another aspect of the rightwing personality that hates democracy.)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

SO AGREE now what should we do? SCROlling, scrolling. keep on scrolling

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:50 AM

RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!

TOO MUCH TRUTH!!!!

YOU STEAL NICKNAMES, RESORT TO NAME CALLING INSTEAD OF ARGUING THE TRUTH-YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC!

TUCK TAIL BETWEEN LEGS AND CLOSE THIS BLOG UP!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

Keep em coming Mel!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

It was a huge BUMMMER.

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 12:54 AM

You are a sweet person. And now those little kittens watch over YOU.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

~~~ So-you waited 30 minutes to tell me that you used to use this nick? A little disingenuous, isn't it? ~~~

Didn't realize I was being timed.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:01 AM

An honest person would have said it outright.

game over.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:04 AM

RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!
TOO MUCH TRUTH!!!!
YOU STEAL NICKNAMES, RESORT TO NAME CALLING INSTEAD OF ARGUING THE TRUTH-YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC!
TUCK TAIL BETWEEN LEGS AND CLOSE THIS BLOG UP!
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

------

did you guys hear something?

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:04 AM

g'nite all!
once virgo leaves the
the sky my energy drops off.
love u all, all life is sacred!

over, i'm out......*

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at September 14, 2004 01:05 AM

i thought i heard the sound of fear

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:05 AM

You are a sweet person. And now those little kittens watch over YOU.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

Well that is a nice thought! I like the thought of kittens watching out for me! Kittens with wings get my girl side going mushy!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:05 AM

they come to the ol liberal bloggy because they feel threatened

and well they should

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:06 AM

g'nightie night sunshiney j!
:)
xoxo

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 01:07 AM

hey manifest this....

if we thought you would actually listen to truth/facts/reason....

you would find civil discourse here.....

but you've made up your mind and don't want to hear what you don't know....

so its not worth the time to debate you........

but it is worth the time seeing you get all worked up.......

remember.... the UNIVERSE can even love a WARPIG like you.....

happy trials bud.... (thats not a typo...)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
goodnite all.... love blasting thru the keys....

give thanks...heartlove...in lak'ech.....

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 01:07 AM

The dreadlocks on a Rastas head also contains symbolism. This symbolizes the Rastas roots, contrasting the straight, blond look of the white man and establishment. It not only shows their roots, but it is supported in the Bible: Leviticus 21:5, "They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in the flesh". The way the hair grows comes to represent the symbol of the Lion of Judah (explained further down). This has also come to symbolize priesthood and naturality.

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:08 AM

hey ilo...what made you think of the white album anyway?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 01:08 AM

Borrowing a term from 1970s social science, media business advocates
declared that we were now living in an 'attention economy'. True
enough, the mediaspace might be infinite but there are only so many
hours in a day during which potential audience members might be
viewing a program. These units of human time became known as
eyeball-hours, and pains were taken to create TV shows and web sites
'sticky' enough to engage those eyeballs long enough to show them an
advertisement.

Perhaps coincidentally, the growth of the attention economy was
accompanied by an increase of concern over the attention spans of
young people. Channel surfing and similar behaviour became equated
with a very real but variously diagnosed childhood illness called
Attention Deficit Disorder. Children who refused to pay attention were
(much too quickly) drugged with addictive amphetamines before the real
reasons for their adaptation to the onslaught of commercial messages
were even considered.

http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/10753

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:08 AM

Nitey nitey Sunny J.
Much love sent your way

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:09 AM

JOHN FUND ON THE TRAIL

I'd Rather Be Blogging
CBS stonewalls as "guys in pajamas" uncover a fraud.

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

A watershed media moment occurred Friday on Fox News Channel, when Jonathan Klein, a former executive vice president of CBS News who oversaw "60 Minutes," debated Stephen Hayes, a writer for The Weekly Standard, on the documents CBS used to raise questions about George W. Bush's Vietnam-era National Guard service.

Mr. Klein dismissed the bloggers who are raising questions about the authenticity of the memos: "You couldn't have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of check and balances [at '60 Minutes'] and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing."

He will regret that snide disparagement of the bloggers, many of whom are skilled lawyers or have backgrounds in military intelligence or typeface design. A growing number of design and document experts say they are certain or almost certain the memos on which CBS relied are forgeries.

...CBS's fallback defense is that its story was only partly based on the documents and points to its on-camera interview with former Texas House speaker and lieutenant governor Ben Barnes, who claimed that he pulled strings to gain a place for Mr. Bush in the National Guard...Indeed, Mr. Barnes's own daughter says her father's story can't be trusted. Amy Barnes Stites called a talk radio show Thursday to report that her father had told her a different version in 2000, when Mr. Bush first ran for president. "I love my father very much, but he's doing this for purely political reasons," she said. "He is a big Kerry fund-raiser and he is writing a book also. And the [Bush story] is what he's leading the book off with. . . . denied this to me in 2000 that he did get Bush out (of Vietnam). Now he's saying he did." When hostess Monica Crowley asked Ms. Stites if she believed her father had lied in his interview on "60 Minutes," she replied "Yes, I do. I absolutely do."

Listen to the recorded call below.

http://rope.wbap.com/audio/barnes.wma

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:09 AM

You are a sweet person. And now those little kittens watch over YOU.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM

Well that is a nice thought! I like the thought of kittens watching out for me! Kittens with wings get my girl side going mushy!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:05 AM

Of course they're just kittens so there's not a lot they can do. But if you're about to step on a ball of yarn they can bat it out of the way for you.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:10 AM

RESORT TO NAME CALLING INSTEAD OF ARGUING THE TRUTH-YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC!
TUCK TAIL BETWEEN LEGS AND CLOSE THIS BLOG UP!
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM
++++++++++++

Occasionally I write - what I consider to be - an intelligent and articulate critique of the fallacies of the Republican party. On almost every occasion I am ignored by the RightWingers. Sometimes they respond. A typical reponse is this one:

+++++++++
ilo, wanna make love? (:-) be happy join a Republican

Posted by: at September 13, 2004 10:23 PM
+++++++++
Truthfully, it is not the fact that we disagree on policy - a democracy always entails such disagreements. What bothers me is how you people combine ignorance with arrogance and stir it all up with bilious hatred that is unfitting intellignet discourse.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:10 AM

g'nite MAT, Dada, Shell, Fish, Conbo, SunnyJ, Mel, ilo, seaCAT, Ajax......

.............

oh, and EAT SHIT and DIE Mr. Manifest of MURDER.....you too BOSCO-pico-TRAIN.......

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 01:11 AM

I guess I better get on to bed too.

have a McJob interview tomorrow. Oh my DOG this should be interesting. Ms. Anti CORPO is going to be interviewed by a corpo fembot.

Should be weird.

PEACE and LOVE TO YOU ALL you BLOGGING BUDDIES!

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:13 AM

excuse 13ben's rudeness......

he's still as positve as ever.... he's just about had enough of the MURDER supporters, that's all...

Posted by: 13ben's dimensional double at September 14, 2004 01:13 AM

SIGN ZEE PAPER!!!

Saturday, Sept. 11, 2004 1:54 p.m. EDT
Ben Barnes Trying to Silence Daughter?

The press secretary for Kerry presidential campaign official Ben Barnes - who claimed Wednesday that he used influence to secure a place for President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard 36 years ago - has been trying to silence Barnes' daughter Amy, who has called her father's account a lie.

Barnes' press secretary Kane Hinton allegedly tried to kill Amy Barnes' interview on Friday with ABC Radio network host Sean Hannity, after Barnes told a Texas radio station the day before that her father had admitted privately that the story was false.

Ms. Hinton claimed that Amy Barnes had issued a statement retracting her earlier comments, according to Hannity's producer, and would have nothing further to say. "[Hinton] called our studio saying she was a friend of Amy's," the talk host revealed during Friday's broadcast. "She canceled the interview on your behalf," he told Ms. Barnes, who appeared despite the attempted cancellation.

Hinton allegedly claimed she was authorized to issue the following statement on Amy Barnes' behalf:

"My comments were wrong about my father during a radio interview last night and I feel very badly and I'm very sorry. I did not know enough about the facts to speak out on the National Guard issue. Though we may not agree about certain political issues, I know my father told the truth on '60 Minutes,' and I regret my comments about him."

But Ms. Barnes denied authorizing Hinton to speak for her, saying, "I definitely was not going to let them say that I lied [in the first interview] because I did not lie."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/11/135924.shtml

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:13 AM

the white album anyway?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 01:08 AM
=======================
White Album ... or, maybe it's Let It Be? You know:

[I got blisters on my fingers! Hope I passed the audition.]

It was my joke, my joke, my joke ... !

(You can call me strange, Shelly. You won't be the first.)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:14 AM

freepers on the liberal blog is a pretty funny thing

kool-aid addicts for truth

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:14 AM

Of course they're just kittens so there's not a lot they can do. But if you're about to step on a ball of yarn they can bat it out of the way for you.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:10 AM

YOU gave me a face crack!!! : ]

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:15 AM

you know what, i feel sort of drained now...
i don't think the visitors are the only ones who get whipped up ben...
i didn't directly participate but sitting here watching it go by is as draining as participating for me i guess...

i sort of feel like how the girl at my house yesterday described how she felt when hitting or being hit in a chick fight...."i don't feel anything"....

i gotta go...see ya bloggerz...

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 01:15 AM

oh my god.... if its from newsmax... you can swear on the bible its true.......

THANKS MANIFEST........

(advice: find a source that doesn't sweep the MURDERS under the rug....)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:16 AM

Tragically, but perhaps luckily, the dot.com bubble burst along with
the story being used to keep it inflated. The entire cycle, the birth
of a new medium, the battle to control it and the downfall of the
first victorious camp, taught us a lot about the relationship of
stories to the technologies through which they are disseminated. And
the whole ordeal may have given us an opportunity for renaissance.

Back here in the real world, the internet is doing just fine. Better
than ever. The World Wide Web, whose rather opaque platform ascended
primarily for its ability to serve as an online catalogue, has been
adapted to serve many of the internet's original, more technologically
primitive functions. USENET discussions have been reborn as web-based
bulletin boards such as Slashdot, and Metafilter. Personal daily
diaries known as weblogs have multiplied by the thousands. Blogger.com
provides a set of publishing tools that allows even a novice to create
a weblog, automatically add content to a Web site or organise links,
commentary and open discussions. In the short time Blogger has been
available, it has fostered an interconnected community of tens of
thousands of users. These people don't simply surf the Web. They are
now empowered to create it.

Rising from the graveyard of failed business plans, these
collaborative communities of authors and creators are the true
harbingers of cultural and perhaps political renaissance.

http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/10753

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:16 AM

nite ben

see ya tomorrow!

------

at the end of HELTER SKELTER baby

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:16 AM

at the end of HELTER SKELTER baby

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:16 AM

----

i got blisters on my fingaaaaas!

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:17 AM

Truthfully, it is not the fact that we disagree on policy - a democracy always entails such disagreements. What bothers me is how you people combine ignorance with arrogance and stir it all up with bilious hatred that is unfitting intellignet discourse.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:10 AM

...Like this?

oh, and EAT SHIT and DIE Mr. Manifest of MURDER.....you too BOSCO-pico-TRAIN.......

Posted by: 13ben at September 14, 2004 01:11 AM

it's been over 15 minutes since I posted the info on Ben Barnes and his daughter Amy. Are any of you going to address any of it? or will there be more "bilious hatred" coming from you all?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM

Make love with a Republican?

Sorry.... allergic to leather.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM

Good night, 13ben. I feel you. Sometimes ... sometimes it is SO frustrating trying to get through to these obsidian-brained creatures. And, I do try to make kindness be my calling card; but sometimes it feels so very trying when these haters are in full sway.

Good night, 13ben.

Pray for peace, work for justice.

(And, let the no-nads choke on their own bile. Kerry in a landslide!)

PEACE

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM

>>thats the problem with you people you have to be spoonfed. I could to it for you but it's time you are weened. do some searches learn to walk by yourself
Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:12 AM<<

Sad sad but so typical, you make accusations but cry about backing them up. This is why you can't be taken seriously.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM

YOU gave me a face crack!!! : ]

Posted by: aka MAT at September 14, 2004 01:15 AM

What's a face crack?

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:19 AM

a Smile

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

Good night, Miss Anne!

Good luck with the corpo-looney interview tomorrow. What will be, will be.

Pray for peace, work for justice.
And, sweet dreams.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

Wow.
Jimmy says goodnite and everyone follows suit
To be popular;)

Goodnite Jimmy!
Nite 13Ben
Goodnite Mat and good luck with your interview:)

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

and "hope we passed the audition" is get back on let it be i think

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

g'nite 13 Ben!

Posted by: 8 Imix in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:21 AM

Such good peeps on this BLOG! mostly!

Love to you all!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:21 AM

a Smile

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

DUH!!!!

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 01:22 AM

or will there be more "bilious hatred" coming from you all?
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM

----

more bilious hatred it is!

sorry dopey, you're on the wrong blog

we dont like you here

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:23 AM

oh my god.... if its from newsmax... you can swear on the bible its true.......

THANKS MANIFEST........

(advice: find a source that doesn't sweep the MURDERS under the rug....)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:16 AM

OK-

Questions mount on Guard memos' authenticity

By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

...On Thursday, Mr. Barnes' daughter, Amy Barnes Stites, called WBAP, a Texas news talk radio station, to say her father had told her a different story in 2000.
"I love my father very much, but he's doing this for purely political reasons," Mrs. Stites said. "He is a big Kerry fund-raiser and he is writing a book also. And the [Bush story] is what he's leading the book off with. ... He denied this to me in 2000 that he did get Bush out [of the draft]. Now he's saying he did."

Asked by host Monica Crowley if she believes her father lied on "60 Minutes ," Mrs. Stites answered, "Yes, I do. I absolutely do."

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:24 AM

Kalam calls for new world body to tackle terrorism

13th Sept 2004

..."You need a new world order system" to have a mission on facing the situation, Kalam said.

read entire article
http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/world/20040913-2.html

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:25 AM

i'm just kidding around

"all posts are welcome" is the rule here

just dont be an idiot

and you already broke that rule, mr mephisto

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:25 AM

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

"Before you jump to the wrong conclusion, let me tell you that we found no evidence -- none, zero, no kidding -- that George Bush knew about Al Qaeda's plan to attack on September 11. Indeed, the grim joke at BBC is that anyone accusing George Bush of knowing anything at all must have solid evidence. This is not a story of what George Bush knew but rather of his very-unfunny ignorance. And it was not stupidity, but policy: no asking Saudis uncomfortable questions about their paying off roving packs of killers, especially when those Saudis are so generous to Bush family businesses."

http://www.gregpalast.com/blog.cfm

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:25 AM

more bilious hatred it is!

sorry dopey, you're on the wrong blog

we dont like you here

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:23 AM

I've posted nothing but documented evidence of the lies of the kerry campaign, but you only have name-calling, nick-stealing, and hatred to back you up.

Hypocrites.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:26 AM

and you already broke that rule, mr mephisto

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:25 AM

Give me some dialogue here!

WHAT DO YOU DISPUTE THAT I'VE POSTED?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM

(yawn)

why be such a sucker, mephisto?

are you gonna get a spot in the bunker when the winter comes for being such a good poochie?

march, robot

dance, grinchy

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM

I’ve heard Janenne mention “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair several times since AAR went on the air. To hear her tell it, it’s a story that graphically depicts the crushing of the working class under the heels of a greed-driven unfeeling economic elite.

There is a different side. Consider the Book review I wrote in 11th grade, shortly before I dropped out to serve this country as a Mall Security specialist.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

A Neo-Compassionate Neo-Conservative’s review of Upton Sinclair’s, “The Jungle”.

God, this book suxs. Nothing but liberal whining.

Oh, those poor immigrants! They don’t make enough to pay their rent! They don’t have money for food! Oh, they stand in line endlessly for the chance they slave away in *meat-packing plant! Oh, they live in slums and have nothing to eat but lard samwhiches!

Listen! Nobody asked those foreigner scumbags to come to this country! If they don’t like meatpacking, why don’t those lazy sons of bitches find better jobs!?! If they didn’t spend all their money on luxuries like bread and lard, maybe lazy sons of bitches could make ends meet. Yet, there they are, on OUR country, waiting for a hand out!!! Those scum-sucking euro-trash sons of bitches! What are they, French?

So what if some malingering lazy son of bitch falls into a vat of lard? That’s what happens when you don’t pay attention to what’s going on. OOOOH, but it’s the big bad meat packing company’s fault this incompetent moron fell in? The stupid son of a bitch had it coming! He was lucky to have a job! One little accident and *he’s* the victim?

Why don’t those lazy sons of bitches go back to where they came from?

Besides, Sinclaitr was an _ADMITTED SOCIALIST_!! Why the hell are we reading his mind rotting garbage in a public school for anyway! Why aren’t we reading Ayn Rand, or something worthwhile like that?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Addendum: Want proof of liberal bias and brainwashing in our public schools? Try this on for size: Believe it or not, the left-wing son of a bitch ‘teacher’ didn’t even give me a passing grade.

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM

dun dun dunnn

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:29 AM

>>documented evidence

You'given nothing but bile from Bush's paid stooges.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:30 AM

(yawn)

why be such a sucker, mephisto?

are you gonna get a spot in the bunker when the winter comes for being such a good poochie?

march, robot

dance, grinchy

I'll post again, since you apparently just attack without any basis in logic, debate, or civility...

WHAT DO YOU DISPUTE THAT I'VE POSTED?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:31 AM

PLAYGIRL Announces Winners of Sexiest Newscaster Election

...the official winner is MSNBC's Keith Olbermann

Tromps Hammity!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040913/nym009_1.html

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:31 AM

it's been over 15 minutes since I posted the info on Ben Barnes and his daughter Amy. Are any of you going to address any of it? or will there be more "bilious hatred" coming from you all?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
I am happy to repond to you, Mr. Manifesto.

Firstly, I don't think any of us know anything about the father/daughter relationship you refer to. Whether Amy or her father has a motive to lie; whether a problem of memory or communication is at the heart of this discrepancy: we just don't know.

ONE THING, we do know: During the time of the Vietnam War, Creedeence Clearwater Revival had a hit song, 'I'm No Senator's Son"; and we know it was "business as usual" for the sons of rich and powerful people to get "excused" from duty in Vietnam.

IN ADDITION, we know: George Bush scored a 25 on his Texas Air National Guard entrance exam, which is all but failing; and we know that Bush was chosen despite many more qualified applicants who were skipped.

AND AGAIN, we know that Mr. Bush, in his autobiography, "A Charge To Keep", has lied about his TexANG service, where he claimed that he flew for the entire 6 years of his service, while the facts show he did not.

THEREFORE, this factoid about Barnes' daughter seems to be a tempest in a teapot - which does not alter the only conclusion that reasonable people can draw: Bush had the arrogance to "support" the War in Vietnam, though he was unwilling to put his own life on the line, leaving that duty to less fortunate others.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:31 AM

Don't take it personal
Mr.Manifesto

You are kind of funny.
Just we recognize that Bush is a Hitleresq leader

And this is serious biz if he gets in again
So the people here, as NOV gets closer are not
going to have patience for the pro-Nazi party
people singing the praises of Bush

I don't know why you bother, FOX has it covered
along with about 30,000 political pundits

Bush has more support than any leader in a democratic country deserves

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:33 AM

hey goofball, you're the one who decided to come to the fancy pants liberal blog

what did you expect

your an asshole

why should i waste my time attempting to have a rational discussion with a blind jerkoff?

you want more names? stick around

cuz thats all you're getting out of me, van winkle

http://www.xmasons.com/lost_found/images/2002jun01.gif

http://thoughtcrime.phenominet.com/security.jpg

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:33 AM

"WHAT DO YOU DISPUTE THAT I'VE POSTED?"

Because they are lies!!!

You accuse Kerry of lying. Why is it inconcievable Bush would?

Why do you dispute everything about Kerry?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:34 AM

There is a different side. Consider the Book review I wrote in 11th grade, shortly before I dropped out to serve this country as a Mall Security specialist.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

A Neo-Compassionate Neo-Conservative’s review of Upton Sinclair’s, “The Jungle”.

God, this book suxs. Nothing but liberal whining.

Why don’t those lazy sons of bitches go back to where they came from?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Addendum: Want proof of liberal bias and brainwashing in our public schools? Try this on for size: Believe it or not, the left-wing son of a bitch ‘teacher’ didn’t even give me a passing grade.

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM
_________

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:35 AM

I'll post again, since you apparently just attack without any basis in logic, debate, or civility...

yup

----

WHAT DO YOU DISPUTE THAT I'VE POSTED?

look at my posts idiot

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:35 AM

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM
_________
that was funny
:0

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:37 AM

>>or will there be more "bilious hatred" coming from you all?
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM
<<

George Bush showed bilious hatred towards the dead when he got his daddy to excuse him from Vietnam.

http://www.BradFriedman.com/BradBlog/Images/Anderson_091204.jpg

Posted by: 8 Imix in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:37 AM

Have you notice the patern of Mr. Manifesto. This is a person who spends his day searching for right wing propaganda specifically to post on this blog. His post are too rapid which reveals he comes to the blog with an agenda.

There is no way in hell I would spend my time searching the Internet for info to post on a Freeper Blog. I would either have to (a) get paid (b) parinoid or (c)pyschotic.

Mr. Manisfesto appears to be all three.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 14, 2004 01:37 AM

Why don't you crawl back to your steady diet of Rush and Fox brainwashing?

Have you ever seen "Outfoxed?"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002HDXTQ/qid%3D1095140236/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-6477000-0165412

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism uses the inflammatory tactics of the Fox News Channel to demonstrate the conservative bias that's handed down by Fox's owner, media mogul Rupert Murdoch. The documentary gathers interviews from media watchdogs and former Fox employees (including a former anchor, Jon Du Pre, who describes his flailing efforts to create a celebration for Reagan's birthday when the one he was sent to cover never materialized), but their overwhelming condemnation of Fox's skewed news practices isn't half as effective as footage taken directly from Fox itself--an appalling montage of pundit Bill O'Reilly telling guests to shut up; repeated efforts to paint Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry as weak and waffling, while President Bush is captured in respectful, reverent images; and management memos dictating language, subject matter, and point of view. Outfoxed is unlikely to persuade Fox News fans to change their views, but it may spur outraged liberals to take action. --Bret Fetzer

About the Director
Outfoxed Director/Producer Robert Greenwald has produced and/or directed 53 television movies, miniseries and features. He is the director of Uncovered and the Executive Producer of the UN series - Unprecedented, Uncovered and the soon to be released Unconstitutional.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:38 AM

i got blisters on my fingaaaaas! and "hope we passed the audition" is get back on let it be i think

Posted by: dadalux
Posted by: dadalux
==================
Ok ok ok ...
Proving once again, I do get a bit confused from time to time.

In any event - The White Album?
I LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE, LOVE IT!

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:38 AM

man, are we like married to our damn candidates? they really need us "defending" them against shut-ins on a message board? you've come to yr decision, we have come to ours.

kerry sucks, but bush sucks alot more.

it's that simple folks.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:38 AM

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002HDXTQ/qid%3D1095140236/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-6477000-0165412

Description
"Fair and balanced"??? How about anything BUT?!?! For the first time ever, this documentary reveals the secrets of Former Fox news producers, reporters, bookers and writers who expose what it's like to work for Fox News. These former Fox employees talk about how they were forced to push a "right-wing" point of view or risk their jobs. Some have even chosen to remain anonymous in order to protect their current livelihoods. As one employee said "There's no sense of integrity as far as having a line that can't be crossed."
"Outfoxed" examines how media empires, led by Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, have been running a "race to the bottom" in television news. This film provides an in-depth look at Fox News and the dangers of ever-enlarging corporations taking control of the public's right to know.

"Outfoxed" first examines media mogul Rupert Murdoch and the Australian company, News Corp., tracing how the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) helped Murdoch break the rules to establish a fourth network in the United States. The film explores Murdoch's burgeoning kingdom and the impact on society when a broad swath of media is controlled by one person.

Media experts, including Walter Cronkite, Jeff Cohen (FAIR), Bob McChesney and Chellie Pingree, provide context and guidance for the story of Fox News and its effect on society.

The team behind "Outfoxed" created a system to monitor Fox News 24 hours a day for months to discover exactly how its shows worked. A team of volunteers around the country scrutinized every hour of Fox News programming, noting examples of bias in its coverage. The result is an intense examination of Fox News and the lie inherent in its favorite motto: "Fair and Balanced."

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:39 AM

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:31 AM

Actually, CCR's song was "Fortunate Son"-I personally think it's about Clinton :)

And in reality, ilo, there were other recent presidents who supported the war in Vietnam and actually made themselves available for the draft, but did not serve in country-see above.

As long as you are willing to say the same thing about Bill Clinton and the loss of life in Somalia and Bosnia, no problem.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:40 AM

There is no way in hell I would spend my time searching the Internet for info to post on a Freeper Blog. I would either have to (a) get paid (b) parinoid or (c)pyschotic.

Mr. Manisfesto appears to be all three.

Posted by: edna ellen poe at September 14, 2004 01:37 AM

I post on Nice Doggies
It's fun
They are brainwashed
And they think we are brainwashed
Politics is confuser!
As Mucky would say
I miss Mucky:(

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:41 AM

I've posted nothing but documented evidence of the lies of the kerry campaign,

------

hahahahaha!

if you were paying attention, you'd have noticed by now that i could care less if you caught kerry chopping down a cherry tree

but you are lying

ignorant, willfully or otherwise

makes no difference to me

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:42 AM

http://www.BradFriedman.com/BradBlog/Images/Wasserman_091204.gif

http://www.BradFriedman.com/BradBlog/Images/Plante_091204.gif

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:42 AM

Actually, CCR's song was "Fortunate Son"-I personally think it's about Clinton :)

Of course you do
It's all about Clinton
Clinton is the most evil person of all time
Except hopefully, Kerry will be as evil as Clinton was

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:43 AM

http://www.news-register.net/news/story/0910202004_new04.asp

W.Va. GOP Elector May Not Back Bush

By TOM DIANA

With AP dispatches
††If the presidential election results in an electoral college tie, it's possible that a West Virginia Republican, South Charleston Mayor Richie Robb, will have a decisive effect - by refusing to cast his electoral vote for President George W. Bush.††

Although it is not likely, Robb could end up casting an electoral vote that throws the election from Bush to U.S. Sen. John Kerry.

††Robb raised questions about how he would vote in the electoral college, as well as some political eyebrows, when he publicly stated he may not cast his vote for Bush.

††"I think President Bush needs to get the message from people across this country, including Republicans, that his strategy in national security and his economic policies need revisited," Robb said.

etc

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:43 AM

and "hope we passed the audition" is get back on let it be i think

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:20 AM

thank you for explaining...i'm not a seasoned beatles fan yet...
:)

good night

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 01:44 AM

As long as you are willing to say the same thing about Bill Clinton and the loss of life in Somalia and Bosnia, no problem.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:40 AM

------

you are quite thickheaded

and two-dimensional

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:44 AM

nite Shell:)

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:45 AM

nite shellsy

thats right, i called you "shellsy"

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:45 AM

So, Mr. Manifesto, explain to us about these leadership qualities you folks are always giving Bush credit for. Where was iton sept. 11th 2001?

Why didn't he immediately scramble interceptors?

So think he did the right thing by sitting frozen like a deer in the headlights?

Is this how you would have handled the situation?

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:46 AM

g'night Shelly~

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:47 AM

"Except hopefully, Kerry will be as evil as Clinton was"

They are working overtime to spread that impression.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:47 AM

and at the end of "one after 909", also on let it be i think, john breaks into a rousing rendition of "danny boy"

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:48 AM

check your email sell

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:49 AM

I think you're right, it is John who sings o danny boy...

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 01:50 AM

kitty pics!!!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:50 AM

The Florida Disgrace Starts Again

Florida OK's Nader's Name on Election Ballot

"In a memo to Florida's 67 county supervisors of elections, Division of Elections director Dawn Roberts said the uncertainty of Hurricane Ivan, which could hit parts of the state by week's end, forced her to act."

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/413583|top|09-13-2004::18:47|reuters.html

"the uncertainty of Hurricane Ivan"

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT09/refresh/AL0904W5+GIF/061453W5.gif

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:51 AM

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 01:52 AM

look at my posts idiot

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:35 AM

THE WIT AND WISDOM OF DODOLUX!
--------------
RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!
TOO MUCH TRUTH!!!!
YOU STEAL NICKNAMES, RESORT TO NAME CALLING INSTEAD OF ARGUING THE TRUTH-YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC!
TUCK TAIL BETWEEN LEGS AND CLOSE THIS BLOG UP!
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:02 AM
------
did you guys hear something?

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:04 AM
---------
i thought i heard the sound of fear

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:05 AM
---------
they come to the ol liberal bloggy because they feel threatened

and well they should

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:06 AM
-------
or will there be more "bilious hatred" coming from you all?
Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:18 AM
----
more bilious hatred it is!
sorry dopey, you're on the wrong blog
we dont like you here
Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:23 AM
-----
(yawn)
why be such a sucker, mephisto?
are you gonna get a spot in the bunker when the winter comes for being such a good poochie?
no
march, robot
dance, grinchy
Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:28 AM

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:52 AM

these liberals talk about cats the way neo-cons talk about guns!

disgusting!

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 01:53 AM

So, Mr. Manifesto, explain to us about these leadership qualities you folks are always giving Bush credit for. Where was iton sept. 11th 2001?

Why didn't he immediately scramble interceptors?

So think he did the right thing by sitting frozen like a deer in the headlights?

Is this how you would have handled the situation?

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward

second request to Manifesto

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:55 AM

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:46 AM

Actually, I have the gall tp post under a nick.

I'll address your question when you do likewise.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:55 AM

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:56 AM

heh heh

and did you like the pretty pictures?

---

hey, i have an idea! lets compare presidents, wont that be fun? and productive, to boot

http://www.itty-bitties.com/lgifs/sarcasm.gif

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:56 AM

willing to say the same thing about Bill Clinton and the loss of life in Somalia and Bosnia, no problem.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 01:40 AM
========================
Thank you for reponding to me cordially, Mr. Manifesto.

Firstly, since it is not at all clear to me what relevance Somalia has to your request that we discuss the verity of the Barnes' statement, I'll ask that we table that comment for a moment. and then maybe you can explain your thoughts on that matter.

But - it is important to me that you please try to not change the subject as a debating technique, since, after all, you are the one who took the privilege of naming the topic of our discussion.

As to your statement:

"Actually, CCR's song was "Fortunate Son"-I personally think it's about Clinton"

This is very pecualiar. Traditionally, the Right has much invested in the whole Horatio "rags to riches" myth; I am frankly dumbfounded at the vitriol directed against Clinton (a Rhodes Scholar), who clearly was NOT the son of privilege. CCR could not possibly have had a person like Clinton in mind - it would rather have been people like Dan Quale and George Bush.

Furthermore - really - can we leave President Clinton out of this, as his person and his legacy is not germane to the topic you raised.

However, in passing, it is HIGHLY RELEVANT to note: during the time of the Vietnam War, persons who fought in the war (mostly the sons of poor and working class people, sometimes people like Al Gore and John Kerry, who might have used privilege to escape the war, but did not) are honorable people. In addition, those like President Clinton, and Tom Hayden - people who disagreed with the war and actively protested to end the failed policy - these people, also, are honorable people.

A third group of people: those who "supported" the war, with a lot of hot-air and bravado, yet who did everything they could to pull strings in order to escape combat - these are the ones who are dishonorable; George Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz among them.

Patriotism does not mean closing ones eyes and doing whatever you are told. Nor does patriotism mean saying

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:57 AM

Outgoing commander questions U.S. strategy on Falluja

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/13/falluja/index.html

*this has been posted before, but its repost is as worthy as anything else being posted right now*

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:57 AM

BTW: I want you're words. not some link to Hannity or som such. What's taking so long?

Can't think on your feet any better than your boy, Bush?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:58 AM

"Except hopefully, Kerry will be as evil as Clinton was"

They are working overtime to spread that impression.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 01:47 AM

i was being sarcastic;)
i don't think Clinton was evil

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 01:58 AM

you forgot the part where i said "all posts are welcome"

and called you van winkle

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:58 AM

~~~ as worthy as anything else being posted right now ~~~

With the exception of ilo's posts... which are knocking my socks off!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 01:59 AM

Patriotism does not mean closing ones eyes and doing whatever you are told. Nor does patriotism mean saying one thing and doing another.

Patriotism means identifying what is true and good and essential for our nation, and then having the courage to act on those beliefs.

That is why those who fought in the war and those who protested the war are patriots. These people are democrats. The Chicken Hawks who "supported" the war while finding ways to escape personal responsibility for their stated beliefs - these persons are not Patriotic. These people are Republicans.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:00 AM

"i was being sarcastic;)
i don't think Clinton was evil"

I know. ;-)

But the fox folks ARE working overtime on it!

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:00 AM

Mr Fish,

As always, you are too kind.
:)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:00 AM

isn't van winkle vanilla ice's real name?

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:01 AM

you forgot the part where i said "all posts are welcome"

and called you van winkle

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 01:58 AM

You were reponding to someone who doesn't have the confidence or decency to post under their own nickname, so they stole mine.

Except you people don't care when it happens to someone you don't agree with.

And DR-I'm debating a few people here, as you can read-

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:01 AM

What's taking so long, Mr. M? Its a fairly simple question. Didn't the RNC playbook cover this one?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:01 AM

~~~ As always, you are too kind. ~~~

I'm nothing of the sort. You're a very powerful writer. Certainly amongst the best we've got.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:02 AM

you're not debating. you are alternatively attackin and backpeddaling.

Answer the question.

Does any body mind if he answers my question first?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:03 AM

Except you people don't care when it happens to someone you don't agree with.

----

i learn so much about myself on this blog

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:03 AM

anybody who doesn't want Mr. M to answer my question first, say so.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:04 AM

Good night, Shell!
Sorry about tonight - we just passed by one another without more than "hello".

Time for you to go? Then I will say:

Peace Love, Peace Love, Peace Love, Peace Love!

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:04 AM

~~~ Does any body mind if he answers my question first? ~~~

EVERYBODY: "NO!"

EVERYBODY: "He's fearful of DR! It's obvious!"

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:04 AM

I think you better answer David's question,
Mr.Manifesto

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:05 AM

i dont mind at all, dave

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:06 AM

the Floor appears to be your's Mr. M

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:07 AM

answer the man, mefisto

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:07 AM

U.S. forces are working frantically to train Iraqis for the thankless job of maintaining public order. The aim is to boost Iraqi security forces from 95,000 to 200,000 by sometime next year. Then, using a mixture of force and diplomacy, the Americans plan to retake cities and install credible local forces. That's the hope, anyway. But the quality of new recruits is debatable. During recent street demonstrations in Najaf, police opened fire on crowds, killing and injuring dozens. The insurgents, meanwhile, are recruiting, too. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once referred to America's foes in Iraq as "dead-enders," then the Pentagon maintained they probably numbered 5,000, and now senior military officials talk about "dozens of regional cells" that could call upon as many as 20,000 fighters.

Yet U.S. officials publicly insist that Iraq will somehow hold national elections before the end of January. The appointed council currently acting as Iraq's government under interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi is to be replaced by an elected constitutional assembly - if the vote takes place. "I presume the election will be delayed," says the Iraqi Interior Ministry's chief spokesman, Sabah Kadhim. A senior Iraqi official sees no chance of January elections: "I'm convinced that it's not going to happen. It's just not realistic. How is it going to happen?" Some Iraqis worry that America will stick to its schedule despite all obstacles. "The Americans have created a series of fictional dates and events in order to delude themselves," says Ghassan Atiyya, director of the independent Iraq Foundation for Development and Democracy, who recently met with Allawi and American representatives to discuss the January agenda. "Badly prepared elections, rather than healing wounds, will open them."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091404V.shtml

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:07 AM

condi on c-span.

watch it or don't.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:08 AM

I think we may have seen the last of him.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:08 AM

Does anyone else hear the Jeopardy theme music?

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:08 AM

Yep... so much for the great Mr. Manifesto.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:09 AM

Damn

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 02:12 AM

U.S. Exports DMCA Down Under
By Patrick Gray

..."The laws in the U.S. are draconian. They go way too far. If we adopted the U.S. legislation then aspects of it would be outside of our constitution, in my view," he told Wired News.

Australian Sen. Kate Lundy, the shadow information technology minister for the opposition Labour party, says the Free Trade Agreement, on which the government plans to spend the next two years hammering out details, isn't necessarily disastrous for consumers.

"We now have two years to legislate to conform to the provisions of the FTA, particularly in relation to (digital copyright) protection measures and fair use," she told Wired News. "We have got an opportunity to build a case for a number of exceptions."...

read entire article here
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,64898,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_6

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:13 AM

Third request:

So, Mr. Manifesto, explain to us about these leadership qualities you folks are always giving Bush credit for. Where was it on sept. 11th 2001?

Why didn't he immediately scramble interceptors?

So think he did the right thing by sitting frozen like a deer in the headlights?

Is this how you would have handled the situation?

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:46 AM

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

1/2 an hour later, no answer... Just like GWB on 9-11

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:14 AM

911... afterwards we see all the holes in our infrastructure. Too much to protect. What do you choose to protect amongst all that needs protecting? What's most vulnerable? What's most precious? How can you tell?

So, we preempt. We go worldwide to kill terrorists. We find Udai.. an Islamic man amongst millions. Is Udai a terrorist? How can you tell? Udai says he's not a terrorist... says he's a dairy technician. Udai says he makes sure milk and cheese are stored properly and does tests to make sure they are safe for humans to consume. Sounds likely. A good story. We let him go with some stern warnings not to be a terrorist and as he walks away, for good measure, we tell him he is lucky he is not a terrorist. Indeed, Udai feels lucky. He proceeds across town to visit his cousin whose wife has just been killed by a stray insurgent's bullet or American bullet. How can you tell?

That night, we lay in a 1000 lb. smart bomb. This is one of our smarter smart bombs and lands exactly... within a foot or two of where we intended... right where our people told us to put it. It kills Udai's mother, his wife and his two little girls while Udai is away visiting his cousin. Assuming that since Udai is not a terrorist, his wife and his two little girls were probably not terrorists. Did the smart bomb also kill some terrorists? How can you tell?

Now Udai is a terrorist. He and his cousin are terrorists. If you want to know, just ask them. That's how you can tell.

-- fiction by Fishgrease

interestingly, in my fiction, our soldiers called Udai "Abdul" even after Udai told them no, his name was not "Abdul". Udai thought this was why he was detained for a few minutes and warned so sternly... that they thought he was some terrorist named "Abdul". Udai never knew anyone named "Abdul" and it was, in fact, an impossible name in his area. Turns out our soldiers called everybody "Abdul"... even each other, when they were joking around.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:14 AM

http://www.scottkim.com/whatido/images/jeopardy.jpg

be sure to phrase your answer in the form of a question

http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/dave_alex.gif

times up

http://www.asciipr0n.com/4096/cuckoo.gif

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:15 AM

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:00 AM

So ilo, by your logic, no Republicans served in Vietnam. That will be a shock to John McCain.

I think the media was acting the same exact way 35 years ago as it does now. The secret is not the amount of information the American public has, it's the amount of misinformation that they get bombarded with.

It's only been after we have gone thru the muck of Urban legends about people spitting on homecoming Vietnam vets and Peter Arnett's reporting of the U.S. government using lethal nerve gas during a mission to kill American defectors in Laos during the Vietnam War in 1970, can we really say we are any closer to knowing the truth about the war?

I frankly can understand people having mixed feelings about it-there was no way you could not looking at press reports. I don't really fault anyone for any decision they made during the era.

I just hope that everyone who made a decision has the clarity of why they decided the way they did. And let's not beat around the bush, so to speak-ALL of the people who we just mentioned, because of either financial backing like the president or contacts like Clinton, had a lot more options than any disadvantaged kids that had to turn up on draft day.

I just wish someone would say, "I did not want to kill people, and that's why I did not serve" or "that's why I tried to stay in school".

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:17 AM

See, Neo-cons can't think for themselves. They need the Fox overloards to do it for them.

Remember this people. NEVER let them set the debate. They are the vistors here and there is no reason we should be expected to be more fair than 0'riley.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:17 AM

1/2 an hour later, no answer... Just like GWB on 9-11

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:14 AM
haha!

Mr Manifesto is scanning the web looking for
the answer

I bet he will come back with this line

"Michael Moore is a liar
He hates America
His film was deliberately shot in such a way as
to make GWBush look unproffesional"

And thereby avoid the question of Bush's obvious
indifference to running the country

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:18 AM

I wonder what's taking so long?

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:18 AM

One more thing....

We are the Sultans

We are the Sultans of Swing

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:18 AM

Mr. Manifesto = Sparky or Spunky.... whatever his name was.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:20 AM

Hey, why are you answering Ilo?

she wanted the answer to my question. Are you waiting for RNC talking points or something?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Third request:

So, Mr. Manifesto, explain to us about these leadership qualities you folks are always giving Bush credit for. Where was it on sept. 11th 2001?

Why didn't he immediately scramble interceptors?

So think he did the right thing by sitting frozen like a deer in the headlights?

Is this how you would have handled the situation?

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 01:46 AM
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

4th request.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:20 AM

Spanky?????

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:22 AM

4 simple points. address at least *one* of them!

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:22 AM

I just wish someone would say, "I did not want to kill people, and that's why I did not serve" or "that's why I tried to stay in school".

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:17 AM

A lot of draft dogders did not want to get
killed for a fool reason. stupid survialists.
Nice subject change, but Mr.Manifesto,
please answer David's question, which was:

So, Mr. Manifesto, explain to us about these leadership qualities you folks are always giving Bush credit for. Where was iton sept. 11th 2001?

Why didn't he immediately scramble interceptors?

So think he did the right thing by sitting frozen like a deer in the headlights?

Is this how you would have handled the situation?

And you have the gall to accuse Kerry of being a coward

second request to Manifesto

__________
3rd now

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:24 AM

"Michael Moore is a liar
He hates America
His film was deliberately shot in such a way as
to make GWBush look unproffesional"

And thereby avoid the question of Bush's obvious
indifference to running the country

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:18 AM

I actually would not say that.

Bush looked scared shitless, and he is damn lucky that there was nothing he could do by that time to change the course of events of that day.

I actually do think that Andrew Card should have been more forceful-after all, he is the chief of staff. i don't think it would have been a problem for him to come up to the kids and say, "The president has to go somewhere, kids!! Say goodbye, Mr. President!" and off they go.

Yes, he was unprepared-but I just don't know how anyone could have been prepered for the images on that day.

Can I ask you all-very honestly-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

http://www.meddybemps.com/clockworks/bigclock.gif

http://www.tameside.gov.uk/include/kids/dragon.gif

go dr!

well, mefisto, are you gonna answer the man, or just keep squirming?

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

"This is one of our smarter smart bombs and lands exactly... within a foot or two of where we intended... right where our people told us to put it."

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/WORLD/meast/09/13/falluja/story.falluja.ap.jpg

Couldn't we have smaller Smart Bombs?

Just a question.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

I gladly yield my time to the distinguished visitor from the freeper blog if anyone thought it would possibly help him answer DR's question.

perhaps he fled to this site
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/index0040.htm
to find some more info to post?

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

hm. blog need fresh troll.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:27 AM

See, Neo-cons can't think for themselves. They need the Fox overloards to do it for them.

Remember this people. NEVER let them set the debate. They are the vistors here and there is no reason we should be expected to be more fair than 0'riley.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:17 AM

Thanks for giving me the time to give the question the respect it deserves.

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:28 AM

you are blowing alot of hot air

i think we have our answer

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:28 AM

~~~ hm. blog need fresh troll. ~~~

Best post tonight!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:29 AM

talk about BULLSHIT. So suddenly it's `Clinton wouldn't have done better.

Well. He ran on the premise he was better than Clinton.

And no, I don't believe Kerry or Gore would have just sat there.

Also, he was supposed to scramble interceptors. It could have saved the Pentagon from being hit. Possibly the 2nd tower.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:30 AM

Can I ask you all-very honestly-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

assuming they read the aug. pdb...

yes.

(prbly even if they hadn't)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:30 AM

http://www.asciipr0n.com/

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:30 AM

Can I ask you all-very honestly-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

Any of them would have actually read the August 6 PDB. Any of them would have understood that since the precautions were taken for the international conference just a year before, airplanes as missiles was not unimaginable.
Any of them would have had the smallest bit more imagination, preparedness, and composure to have handled the situation better -- to have handled the situation at all.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:31 AM

45 minutes later he comes out with RNC #! play : Drag Clinton into it.

Remember. He is running on his decisiveness, you admit he clearly was not.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:32 AM

you are blowing alot of hot air

i think we have our answer

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:28 AM

I'm just curious-It's not like Pearl Harbor was a shining example of the military's ability to react when struck, either.

i think we have to face the fact that our military has been designed to be a first strike apparatus since the end of WWII-not very effective in terrorist and jungle wars.

Please let me know-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:32 AM

Can I ask you all-very honestly-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:26 AM

____________
It's been 3 years, but I vividly remeber the
releif I felt when Clinton, the x-president
addressed the nation after the attacks.

It was like, o yeah
Some of our leaders know what the hell is going on
Thank God!

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:32 AM

Its a busy day for Sarah silverman. there she is on tough crowd with colin Quinn. kinda the Daily sho for the fox crowd.

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:34 AM

Please let me know-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:32 AM

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:31 AM

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:34 AM

respect

http://www.osf.cz/cinema/experimentcz/others/stills_bw/martin_cihak-respect(3).jpg

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/newbggimages/pic16984.jpg

http://pennandteller.com/sincity/tvshow/scrapbook/rodney.jpg

http://verbosity.wiw.org/issue4/images/rodneyok.jpg

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:36 AM

Although DavidR is queued up ahead of me, if the blog will indulge me this instance, I wish to repond to the comments Mr. Manifesto has directed my way. Thank you, blog.
++
Mr. Manifesto -

If I may approach several of your comments seriatim:

"So ilo, by your logic, no Republicans served in Vietnam."

No, no. Please understand that I am writing, quick as I am able, to keep up with the blog. My writing improves with editting. True, some Republicans did serve in Vietnam. However, the point of my argument was not that ZERO Republicans served, and you should see this without making me explain - the point of my argument is that the ChickenHawks are almost exclusively Republicans; and secondly, regardless of whether one fought or one chose to protest instead, each is an expression of patriotism; while the ChickenHawks are emblematic of the favoritism, which is very much a core value of Republican ideology, (for example, Halliburton no-bid contracts are also a type of favoritism). And many more of the "fortunate ones" who could have escaped Vietnam, but did not pull strings to escape: by and large, these are Democrats. Obviously, McCain - a naval academy graduate - and General Powell are exceptions. But - the exceptions do not disprove the general rule.

"I think the media was acting the same exact way 35 years ago as it does now."

Actually, no. Because 35 years ago, with people like Morrow and Friendly, back in the time that the manufacturers of war machinery were not in the news business, we can credibly ascribe "liberal" values to the press. Today - the press is signally conservative; to claim otherwise is simply too precious for me to explain with a straight face.

"... it's the amount of misinformation that they get bombarded with."

Yes, and I assume you are aware of the non-partisan studies that show viewers of Fox News to be most mis-informed of all news viewers. But - pardon me - I digress.

"... the muck of Urban legends about people spitting on homecoming Vietnam vets"

Actually, I am too young to know by experience; but I am well aware that people are capable of such things, and I know that passions ran high in those

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:37 AM

Does anybody accept Mr M's sidestepping as an answer?

and it took almost an hour!

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:37 AM

I posted that fiction up page for ilo.

She seems to like my stuff like that, which makes me feel like a million bucks. It's like asking for an "attaboy" massage. Do I have no shame?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:37 AM

You know Fishgrease, you were right. I used to blog here.

Bye bye!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:37 AM

~~~ Does anybody accept Mr M's sidestepping as an answer? ~~~

Answer? I thought it more a muffed admission of defeat!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:38 AM

>>Can I ask you all-very honestly-If Clinton, Gore, or Kerry were in that schoolroom that morning, would they have reacted much differently?<,

MUCH differently? Undoubtably they would have reacted a LOT differently. Clinton and Gore were such detail hounds they would have had plan A and Plan B ready to go. If Kerry were the type to sit in a stupor for 7 minutes when lives were on the line he wouldn't have made it back from Vietnam.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:38 AM

You know Fishgrease, you were right. I used to blog here.

Bye bye!

Posted by: Mr. Manifesto at September 14, 2004 02:37 AM

And so he leaves, with such a resounding exit

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:40 AM

~~~ You know Fishgrease, you were right. I used to blog here. ~~~

Then you know I've no need to be told I'm right. Of course I'm right.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:40 AM

>>"I think the media was acting the same exact way 35 years ago as it does now."

no, not at all. there was a little thing called the Fairness Doctorine that Guaranteed equal time:

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:41 AM

>> I used to blog here.<,

you know, I wouldn't call it blogging as much as spit-balling.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:41 AM

whenever someone mentions colin quinn i think of this

http://www.kariwuhrer.net/rc/rc12.jpg

http://www.kariwuhrer.net/rc/rc14.jpg

he's one of those "they" hate our freedom kinda guys

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:42 AM

Yes, Mr. Fish, I noticed that.
xoxoxo

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:42 AM

If Kerry were the type to sit in a stupor for 7 minutes when lives were on the line he wouldn't have made it back from Vietnam.

AMEN!!

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:43 AM

Fishy, did you see Darlene's post way up blog?

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 13, 2004 10:25 PM

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:43 AM

brb blog.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 02:44 AM

Now...
DavidR ends his masquarade.

taking off the mask...

It's...

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:44 AM

It's...

Posted by: DavidR at September 14, 2004 02:45 AM

Mr. Manifesto

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:45 AM

It's...

me again!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 02:45 AM

wait for it....

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:45 AM

kinda anti-climatic...sorry

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 02:46 AM

i am confuser!

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:46 AM

Chubby were you Mr Man too? Just for a little fun?

Are you one of Sunshine Jim's multiple personalities, too?

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:47 AM

DavidR is Mr Manifesto?

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:47 AM

huh?!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:48 AM

Chubby, why did you pick the name DavidR?

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:48 AM

~~~ Fishy, did you see Darlene's post way up blog? ~~~

Yes... it just makes me sad. I miss her so!

I'm gonna email her Wednesday. Tomorrow I'm gonna be in the high desert chasing radio data signals like they were birds. I gots no email capability here right now.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:49 AM

Lucy!
You have some splainen' to do!

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:49 AM

Chubby=DavidR=Virgin Mary

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:49 AM

Chubby,

Like we need fake trolls?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:50 AM

i knew it.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 12:28 AM

look what time i busted you chubbles!!!
:)

Posted by: psycho s h e l l at September 14, 2004 02:51 AM

Good, because I told her I'd make sure the people she really cares about saw the post, FG.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:51 AM

Chubby was the smartest troll i have seen
here. hmmmmm

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:51 AM

mefisto "our military" that you so easily dehumanize are american children

you make me sick

-----------
I'm just curious-It's not like Pearl Harbor was a shining example of the military's ability to react when struck, either.

liar.

Everthing that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the U.S.
----ARMY BOARD 1944

Professors Charles Beard and Harry Elmer Barnes once ranked among the most prestigious historians in the U.S.(ca.1920-40);but when they rejected our gov.'s official version of Pearl Harbor,they became known as cranks,nuts,dingbats,etc. and were eventually removed from curricula.Most young readers have probably never heard of these once famous scholars.
the case for conspiracy,which we present here but dare not endorse,runs as follows:
Pearl Harbor was extremely vulnerable.In 1932,in a Joint Army-Navy exercise,Admiral Yarnell "attacked" Pearl Harbor with 152 planes and caught the defenders completely by surprise.
In 1938,Admiral Ernest J. King led a carrier-based attack on Pearl Harbor with equal success.
When president Franklin D. Roosevelt ordered the fleet transfered from the West Coast to Pearl Harbor,Admiral James O. Richardson protested vigorously and repeatedly.He eventually refused orders and was replaced by Admiral Husband E. Kimmel,who also protested but obeyed orders.
In March 1941,when Roosevelt began the
lend-lease program -providing weapons to one side in a war in which the U.S. was allegedly neutral- he violated international law and virtually invited the other side to retalliate.
(more)

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:52 AM

Cathy, you're a dear!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:52 AM

kay i have confession

once i posted as Lucifer, Bringer of Light
and riled every one up

Posted by: Conbo at September 14, 2004 02:53 AM

No. I was just DavidR.

I'm not Sunshine, infact, he said should he come to visit he'd like to invite you, your hubby and me out to coffee.

No, If I was going to play both sides of the dialogue , it'd be alot more obvious and far less serious.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 02:53 AM

I'm just curious-It's not like Pearl Harbor was a shining example of the military's ability to react when struck, either.
-----
Everthing that the Japanese were planning to do was known to the U.S.
----ARMY BOARD 1944

On July 22 that year,Admiral Richmond K. Turner advised Roosevelt that cutting off the supply of American petroleum to Japan would invite an attack on the philippines and "immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On July 25 Roosevelt cut off the oil,and Intelligence about Japanese activities was withheld from Army and Navy officials in Hawaii from this point forward,giving Admiral Kimmel no warning of what was coming.
The Army and Navy Intelligence services had cracked the following Japanese codes:
*Purple - the top diplomatic code
*J-19 - another,lesser diplomatic code
*PA-K2 - another diplomatic code
*JN-25 - the Japanese Naval code
A Naval report of 1946 concluded that 188 of the messages in these codes,deciphered by U.S. Intelligence,clearly concerned an impending attack on Pearl Harbor.In addition,Dutch,British,and Russian Intelligence all reported Japanese war plans to the U.S.gov.
On November 25,Secretary of War Henry Stimson wrote in his diary about a conversation with president Roosevelt: "The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without too much danger to ourselves....It was desirable to make sure the Japanese be the ones to do this(the first shot) so that there should remain no doubt in anyone's
mind as to who were the aggressors.
A Navy Court inquiry from July 24 to September 27
examined the possible negligence of Admiral Kimmel at Pearl Harbor.They exonerated him when they learned that he had been deprived of all intelligence information obtained from the decoded Japanese maessages.An Army report of October 1944 concluded that,with the decoded messages,it was possible to indicate precisely the intentions of the Japanese, "including the probable exact hour and date of the attack."

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 02:53 AM

Chubby, thinking about it, DR would have stomped him in a single, albeit long.... post.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:55 AM

hey, whatsum goin on heer!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 02:55 AM

Chubby,

But you did admirably.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:55 AM

so wait...chubby you have always been david r? or just tonight?

and you were never mr m.?

and yes you were virgin mary or no?

(i just emailed you too btw)
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 02:57 AM

America has its own Election Day to worry about. For U.S. troops in Iraq, one especially sore point is the stateside public's obsession with the candidates' decades-old military service. "Stop talking about Vietnam," says one U.S. official who has spent time in the Sunni Triangle. "People should be debating this war, not that one." His point was not that America ought to walk away from Iraq. Hardly any U.S. personnel would call that a sane suggestion. But there's widespread agreement that Washington needs to rethink its objectives, and quickly. "We're dealing with a population that hovers between bare tolerance and outright hostility," says a senior U.S. diplomat in Baghdad. "This idea of a functioning democracy here is crazy. We thought that there would be a reprieve after sovereignty, but all hell is breaking loose."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091404V.shtml

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 02:58 AM

I once posted as Crackers in Seattle, 8 Imix in Seattle, Calico Cat in Seattle, Feminazi in Seattle, and Patrioterer's Girlfriend in Seattle....but I guess I wasn't very clever because I think the bloggers somehow guessed they were me.

I think Chubby occasionally posts as Cathy's Lesbian Lover in Seattle...

Posted by: spilling my guts in seattle at September 14, 2004 02:58 AM

>>Chubby, why did you pick the name DavidR?

Becasue it is so unlike my usual modus operandi.

you all know I len towards more comic names. But, I also didn't want everybody to know I got back from my `big night out' so quick.

That, and the trolls have been really nasty to me lately. They want to get on my back about currently being unemployed, as if that discredits everything I have to say.

Really not hard to understand considering how they worship money.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:00 AM

seeecrets...
:)

i love true confession nights!

The Prodigy cd comes out today

http://ordrumbox.sourceforge.net/
orDrumbox: Java Virtual Drum Machine

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:02 AM

But overall, it was a day where domestic issues dominated.

That's a reminder that even if Bush could stage a 9/11-24/7 convention, it's not so simple to do a 9/11-24/7 campaign.

-- Bill Scher

http://www.liberaloasis.com/

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:04 AM

Tuesday, September 14, 2004
Has the US been Fighting Turkmen?

http://www.juancole.com/

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:06 AM

Chubby ...

I ...

HATE YOU! HATE YOU! HATE YOU! HATE YOU! HATE YOU!

(not really)

... but, ...

You freak(s)!

Like I'm not confused enough? Why do you do so like this? Bothers me, you know it?

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:07 AM

And then around the middle of September, the polls started to do something strange... one by one, they showed Bush's lead give way to Kerry. Suddenly, all the hand wringing and second guessing of Kerry's campaign strategy evaporated. Suddenly, Bush wanted that third debate.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:08 AM

"It's not like Pearl Harbor was a shining example of the military's ability to react when struck, either."

i guess liar isnt quite right in that situation

oh well, it worked for me

heh heh

good one!

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 03:08 AM

Like, you pull the girls' hair if you like them, right?

I know your type. (from kindergarten)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:09 AM

>>so wait...chubby you have always been david r? or just tonight?

Just tonight. It occures to me thereis a REAL DavidR that posts here? If so, My apologies.

>>and you were never mr m.?

once, when I `admitted t having sex w/dogs and feeling insecure about being rejected by them (poor form, I know)

>>and yes you were virgin mary or no?

Yes, that was me. Somebody `lobbed me a softball' and (I think) I hit it out of the park.

>>I think Chubby occasionally posts as Cathy's Lesbian Lover in Seattle

sounds familiar, but not the sort ogf thing I'll make a habit out of.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:09 AM

So Mr. Manifesto was "real"?

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:11 AM

Just tonight. It occures to me thereis a REAL DavidR that posts here? If so, My apologies.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes, and often DavidR posts with no-nic. Or, so I understand. But - WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THIS?

(... bothers me ...)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:11 AM

HAHAHAHA!

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/ (Sep 13, 2004)

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:13 AM

So Mr. Manifesto was "real"?

Posted by: at September 14
==========================
No. The Velveteen Rabbit is REAL. And, Barbie is real, too. And anything is real if you click your red shoes three times and BELIEVE.

Except - chubby is never real - chubby is Crank Bait. (Or am I mistaken, yet again?)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:13 AM

>>Like I'm not confused enough? Why do you do so like this? Bothers me, you know it?

sorry, I am just a prankster at heart. I don't mean to hurt, just to have fun. be creative, etc...

tonight I did it (partially) so I could be taken more seriously.

But 99% of the time I'm just plain old chubby bubba.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:13 AM

~~~ So Mr. Manifesto was "real"? ~~~

Yes... Spanky, Sparky... Spunky... Skippy... something like that.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:14 AM

And chubby-bubba (C.B.) that is not also CrankBait?

SHELLY. SHELLY. You're real, aren't you sweetie?

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:15 AM

So ilo why don't you just click your red shoes three times and believe in front of the blog? Then it wouldn't bother you.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:15 AM

>>chubby is Crank Bait. (Or am I mistaken, yet again?)

not even once! but there are lots of us who answer to CB around here. Eh, Conbo?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:15 AM

My one post of the day...don't waste it.

'He's just sleeping, I kept telling myself'

"On Sunday, 13 Iraqis were killed and dozens injured in Baghdad when US helicopters fired on a crowd of unarmed civilians. G2 columnist Ghaith Abdul-Ahad, who was injured in the attack, describes the scene of carnage - and reveals just how lucky he was to walk away"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6901.htm

Posted by: Nobody at September 14, 2004 03:16 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Whiskers, your Feline Overlord at September 14, 2004 03:16 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: cherubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:17 AM

Unfit For Cancun

http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/clips/swiftbush.jpg

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:17 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Comic Book Guy at September 14, 2004 03:17 AM

Behind the curtain, John Kerry pulls at the rubber mask. When it's removed we see his face. He is Jeb Bush?

I knew I hadda bad feeling about this election ...

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:17 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: cranky old obtuse chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:18 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Eduardo the Head Wino at September 14, 2004 03:18 AM

Chubby's not Crank Bait. Chubby's my neighbor, Crank's in another state.

Chubby wasn't Mr Manifesto, either.

David Ritchie always signs his stuff David Ritchie or dr......always with dr.

Chubby was briefly the Virgin Mary, and you really must check out his post on that one.

Chubby's never posted as my lesbian lover. (Now who DID?)

Posted by: spilling my guts in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:18 AM

hey n

thank ya!

-----------

i'm still not sure what the who

but i'm pretty real, ilo

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 03:18 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Froggy at September 14, 2004 03:19 AM

now don't you and conbo and miss cathy all feel better now?
ROTFLMAO!
what a fun game - but now i trust NO ONE on this blog! hee hee...
:)

http://www.indianmelody.com/
dada this one has indian movie songs also...maybe you've seen it already.

http://osw.sourceforge.net/
Open Sound World

http://home.dbio.uevora.pt/~oliveira/Links/musicUk.htm

http://www.iran-plus.com/en/
---

i decided tonight i don't want to post news any more...will the blog still let me play? and if you let me play i'll give you all my links i've collected for news...fair trade?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:19 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Kollective Kristians 4 Krist at September 14, 2004 03:20 AM

Pleasure Boat Captains for Truth!

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/happy.html

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/low.html

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:20 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: MC Master of Ceremonies at September 14, 2004 03:20 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Mexican Banditos gathering menacingly at September 14, 2004 03:21 AM

Recent George W. Bush News Items

President Bush and Michiganders Rally for the Strong, Decisive Leadership that Strengthens Our Nation 9/13/2004

President Bush Outlines Policies That Make Sense for All Americans, Regardless of Party 9/13/2004

President Bush Focuses on Health Care Agenda: Creating Health Care Plans that Meet Tomorrow's Challenges 9/13/2004

President Bush and Sen. Zell Miller Take the Campaign's Message to Ohio, Opportunity for All Americans 9/10/2004

President Bush: "We'll Pass the Enduring Values of Our Country to a New Generation" 9/10/2004

http://www.georgebush.com/Bios/GeorgeWBush.aspx

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:21 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Mr. Burns at September 14, 2004 03:21 AM

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:15 AM
==========================
Actually, I have no red shoes. The closest I have is a pair of black & burgandy cfm's, which I am DEFINITELY not wearing for this blog, thank you.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:21 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: chubby bubba in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:21 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 03:22 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Olotta Media at September 14, 2004 03:22 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: O'suma Bin Luddite at September 14, 2004 03:23 AM

>>Behind the curtain, John Kerry pulls at the rubber mask. When it's removed we see his face. He is Jeb Bush?<<

no, he's...
CHUBBY_BUBBA!

Posted by: C in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:23 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: pet goat 4 Kerry at September 14, 2004 03:23 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: PTboat Veteran 4 Truth at September 14, 2004 03:24 AM

HAHAHAHA!

http://www.pleasurecaptains.com/caine.html

VERY well done!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:24 AM

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 03:18 AM
==================
Thank you, Dadalux. (I knew I could count on you.)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:24 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Robin, Boy Wonder at September 14, 2004 03:24 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Somewhat Overweight Brother at September 14, 2004 03:25 AM

Well...

you learn something new every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:26 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: sprite the pixil-boy at September 14, 2004 03:26 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: swift boat Veteran 4 Truth at September 14, 2004 03:26 AM

nobody i want to know if you are interested in an
infinty-all-time-no-take-backs-truce
between me and you

and you may say that you were never upset or bothered or whatever, but i have been because i don't always like scrolling past you...sometimes i would like to chat with you cuz you made me laugh the other day and i was being stubborn and would not allow my self to tell you so...

it's ok if you don't too...i'll feel like crap for a time but that's ok...it feels worse to me how it is now..
Love,
Shelly

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:27 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Typica troll after 20 minutes at September 14, 2004 03:27 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Whiskers, your Feline Overlord at September 14, 2004 03:28 AM

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:26 AM
<<

ok, thanks for that.

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:28 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: The Walrus at September 14, 2004 03:29 AM

"No wonder the Turkish government is so angry. My God, we are fighting Turkmen in Iraq! What a disaster!"

-- Robert Lyday

http://www.juancole.com/

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:29 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Were all bozos on this bus@bunchabozosonthebus.com at September 14, 2004 03:29 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Will Robinson at September 14, 2004 03:29 AM

Chubby_Bubba (C.B.) is actually Bill Clinton (B.C.)

Thankfully, I'm not wearing my black & burgundy pumps tonight.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:30 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Yorick, a fellow of infinte jest at September 14, 2004 03:30 AM

My name is chubby_bubba

Posted by: Zell Miller at September 14, 2004 03:30 AM

Hi All,
Couldn't sleep well. I am really worried about this election. And I really think, and don't get angry with me, Kerry is losing it. Really bothering me.
I am not a defeatist, I am a realist and I see the signs.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 03:30 AM

so, it appears I'm out of `browser cache'

sorry about all them posts.

But confession is good for the soul

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:31 AM

Video: U.S. Gunship Kills Iraqi Civilians And Journalist
BBC Report 09/13/04

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articlee6896.htm

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:32 AM

Don't look at THOSE signs, Toni, wait another month, then re-check!

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:32 AM

tonid, what are the signs you see?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 03:33 AM

Why Americans love George W Bush
By Spengler

George W Bush almost certainly will win another term as president of the United States, as I have predicted all along (Careful what you Bush for, August 3). That surprises outside observers of US politics, who can see that the Democrats are cleverer, better dressed and better looking. It is just the sort of Americans who know they are neither clever nor good-looking who will vote for Bush.

Bush supporters are the sort of American one never meets. Through the media as well as through personal contact, Asians and Europeans meet the United States in the person of its coastal elite: academics, journalists, clerics, entertainers, and the technological avant garde. The sort of American traveler one meets in Hong Kong, Singapore or Bangkok probably will vote for John Kerry in November. Fewer than one in six Americans owns a passport, and those are found disproportionately on the US coasts, colored Democratic blue on the electoral maps. The elite enjoys the frisson of cultural difference and will travel thousands of miles to patronize quaint foreign cultures. By contrast, provincials from the inland states (colored Republican red on the electoral maps) take their holidays in Las Vegas or Disney World. For them the gambling-casino replicas of the Eiffel Tower or the Venetian canals are just like the real thing but without the inconvenience of strange tongues and customs.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FI14Aa01.html

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 03:33 AM

Toni, in the meantime, read this

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/2004-09-02-moore_x.htm

Why Democrats shouldn't be scared - By Michael Moore

By Michael Moore / USA Today

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:34 AM

Toni,

Just watch. The worst is past.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:35 AM

Toni-D,

Electoral Vote Predictor 2004:
Kerry 269 Bush 233

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

I do not think Bush can lawfully win this election, because Kerry will have the votes to win. Who gets the White House, however, remains to be seen. The people currently holding power have proved they can't be trusted. My hope is that Kerry will win by 70% -- then it will be impossible for the rascals to steal it.

And remember - half of America can see thru Bush right now. Even if they steal the election, the public won't be fooled much longer.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:35 AM

So, the lessons for tonight were:

a) don't believer everything you read on the internet.

b) don't let the trolls set the debate. Nail them with the tough questions.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:36 AM

fishgrease, if the polls go bad for bush, wouldn't he want to cancel all three debates? or at the very least two of them?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 03:37 AM

I just have to post this again:

There is a different side. Consider the Book review I wrote in 11th grade, shortly before I dropped out to serve this country as a Mall Security specialist.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

A Neo-Compassionate Neo-Conservative’s review of Upton Sinclair’s, “The Jungle”.

God, this book suxs. Nothing but liberal whining.

Why don’t those lazy sons of bitches go back to where they came from?

Besides, Sinclair was an _ADMITTED SOCIALIST_!! Why the hell are we reading his mind rotting garbage in a public school for anyway! Why aren’t we reading Ayn Rand, or something worthwhile like that?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Addendum: Want proof of liberal bias and brainwashing in our public schools? Try this on for size: Believe it or not, the left-wing son of a bitch ‘teacher’ didn’t even give me a passing grade.

Posted by: Neo-compassionate Neo-conservative at September 14, 2004 03:38 AM

I am talking to people that I thought were converted and they are back on the "I just don't know about Kerry" thing. Even my own nephew, and he knows damn well bush isn't right for the country.
Kerry is just not tough enough on bush. And he
** must ** take a stance on Iraq. Kerry has said things but they are always being turned against him.
FRom now on he has to clarify himself and say he
** never ** would have gone to war in Iraq.

I am very worried.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 03:38 AM

Shell, did you get the kitty pics I sent to the pccelebs.com addy?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:39 AM

Thankfully, I'm not wearing my black & burgundy pumps tonight.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:30 AM

OH ILO!! i bought one of those ladies magazines yesterday, a bunch actually because i haven't looked at one since i used to subscribe to them as a teenager...anyway...if i could just send you a mental picture of the red satin, pleated with gathered sides of black trim pumps that i saw in there!!!! they looked like lingerie shoes!! it's been TOO long since i've looked at pretty girl clothing and hairstyles and stuff in mags...what a trip! and the male models look way better now to me too...and sarah jessica is in the gap things cool!

anywayz...hi ilo...my kids gone so i'm gonna blog again..
:)

and hi miss cathy and tonid and jenise!
(girlz yeah!)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:39 AM

Jenise,

~~~ fishgrease, if the polls go bad for bush, wouldn't he want to cancel all three debates? or at the very least two of them? ~~~

No, I don't think so. He was behind Gore until their debates. The behindest always looks forward to the debates more. Debates provide an opportunity for the Hail Mary Pass of modern politics.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 03:40 AM

Toni-D,

I have an aunt who lives in the heartland, in Illinois, a "blue" state.

I asked her if she sees a lot of Kerry bumper stickers, and she said "no". I asked her if she sees a lot of Bush bumper stickers, and she said "no".

There's a lot of people sent to fight in Iraq in the place my aunt lives. Kerry will take Illinois. Most people living near my aunt will probably vote for Kerry. But they don't want to announce publicly their position, because it's regarded unseemly while so many are fighting overseas. As long as the ballot remains secret, Kerry will get the votes.

Something to consider, anyway.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:41 AM

>>black & burgundy pumps tonight

drool...

if i could just send you a mental picture of the red satin, pleated with gathered sides of black trim pumps that i saw in there!

double drool...

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:41 AM

Posted by: 13ben's dimensional double at September 14, 2004 01:13 AM
ok..who's gonna fess up to this?

yeah chub...and i emailed you after that too...i hope they made it...
the drinking kitty with the remote was great! i've never seen a photo move like that one...way cool
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:42 AM

If Bush doesn't agree to three debates, doesn't that mean he's a pansy ass/girly man/yellow rose?

Posted by: MyInnerReptile at September 14, 2004 03:42 AM

>>No, I don't think so. He was behind Gore until their debates. The behindest always looks forward to the debates more. Debates provide an opportunity for the Hail Mary Pass of modern politics

I watched thse debates anI (& everyone I talked to) thougt Gore PASTED Bush on all of them.

Of course, the "liberal media" instantly declare Bush the winner.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

gotta hi the hay. Gotta vote & do the job search thingie...

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:44 AM

oh way drool chubs! and all the pretty girls too..and they didn't all have huge breasts in these magazines this time...
i bought harpers bazaar with gisele b on the cover..
jane mag, cuz madonna is the guest columnist

organic style mag
and mother earth news...
so if i spy any thing cool i'll tell you..

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:45 AM

Yeah, Shelly, it's funny.
I stand in line and pay the cashiere with my straight hair and no makeup. I get a copy of Z magazine, a copy of Yes! magazine and a copy of Vogue magazine. Doesn't make any sense.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:46 AM

hey t

dont worry too much about the horse races

tell you the truth, i'm still not sure that the elections haven't been rigged for years
(bob woodwards 1987 book has something to say about it)

and no matter who wins, there is so much work to be done...

tho i agree, another stolen election would really suck

------
Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:36 AM

i thought the lessons were

1: i dont know what the f is going on

2: chubby is on ecstasy tonight!

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 03:46 AM

the election hinges on Florida's 27 electoral votes...but in spite of what we were posting earlier regarding Florida putting Nader on the ballot, there's a very good chance that he'll be taken off.

see here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/politics/campaign/14nader.html

and
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/politics/9653635.htm

Although Circuit Judge Kevin Davey ordered Secretary of State Glenda Hood last week to remove Nader's name, her appeal Monday to the 1st District Court of Appeal suspended that order.

However, Davey has the power to reimpose his order and the state Democratic Party, which had challenged Nader's placement on the ballot, immediately asked him to hold an emergency hearing to do just that.

Later Monday, the state Supreme Court agreed to take the case as requested by the 1st District Court of Appeal - but said it would wait until Davey had issued his final order on Wednesday.
[snip]
If Democrats succeed, Florida would join a list of states that include Arizona, Pennsylvania, Missouri and Virginia where Nader has been knocked of the November ballot.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 03:47 AM

forgot to sign above post

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:48 AM

>>If Bush doesn't agree to three debates, doesn't that mean he's a pansy ass/girly man/yellow rose?

Quite the contrary, it means he is a solid and decisive leader!

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:48 AM

"The behindest always looks forward to the debates more. Debates provide an opportunity for the Hail Mary Pass of modern politics."

yeah, fishgrease, i just figured bush is *so* bad at debating that the less, the better for him...but there was that whole low expectations thing the last time around so...

tonid, i do know what you mean...and i worry about the 'two faces of america' like in the article you just linked...

hey, shell...afraid i can't stick around...got a deadline tomorrow morning...unfortunately

also, hey cathy - please tell darlene not to worry about answering me until things are calmer for her...poor thing

hey everyone else

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 03:49 AM

Kerry on my wayward son.
They'll be peace when Bush is gone
Lay his fucking head to rest
We should cry no more...

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 12:24 AM

this was great mel wherever you are...

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:51 AM

I am going to say something tough to you and hope you will understand.
Please don't put your heads up your butts like the neocons. We really have something to worry about. Kerry should be way ahead of bush by now.

Yes things could change but Kerry has to hammer bush hard now. People percieve Kerry as a liberal from the east coast and bush as a good ole boy.

We need the middle states to start bending a little. We are dealing with a country that if you disturb their comfort zone, you're in trouble.

Half these people felt compassion for awhile for what happened 9/11, but it really didn't effect
their lives. They saw it on TV. They didn't live it. It was like a movie to them.

The cowboy, country, bubba mentality is to go punch out the people that caused this, even if they are the wrong people. Get your punches in and you feel better.

Then it's the race/religion thing. If you don't believe as they do you are the enemy. Bush plays these people like a fiddle.
They are not ready to think bush is wrong on anything.
All this bothers me.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 03:51 AM

I will, Jenise~

Goodnight blogger friends!

Posted by: cathy in seattle at September 14, 2004 03:51 AM

One way to tell if its one of my alter-egos posting -- I usually use a comic email address for y'all to `mouse over'

didn't do it in my confessional, wanted to save time.

###########################

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.

Some trails are happy ones,
Others are blue.
It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
Here's a happy one for you.

Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.

Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at September 14, 2004 03:51 AM

night chub

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:53 AM

Tonight I have been typing typing typing typing, furiously typing, trying to keep up with the blog, trying to respond to the troll.

And - tonight I have been repeatedly quoted, as people have been apparently struck by two things I have said:

"billious hatred"
AND
"black & burgandy pumps"

AND NOW -

"Why is this picture so upside down and wrong?" I ask myself, "How did the world get to be so foolish and utterly silly?"

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:54 AM

Who is leaving?

Jenise?
Chubby?
Cathy in Seattle?

Must you go?

If so, all my best to you & yours.

Pray for peace, work for justice.
And to each, good night, good night.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 03:56 AM

ilo ilo ilo

tonid tond tonid

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 03:57 AM

ilo
there are a million plus linx that can shed light on your feelings in my opinion. i feel sad for you being sad...and you too tonid...

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:00 AM

tonid, i worry about two types of americans in this election - the type that sees politics as a game with no concern for the consequences other than winning and the type that sees the 'yee haw' foreign policy type...i don't think they are in the majority, but i worry that they can sweep up a majority to go along with them...

we cannot afford to lose this one. we just can't.

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:01 AM

Ilo, I live in Illinois. It's a safe state for the Dems, yes.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:02 AM

i thought the troll said "billious hatred"....

ya, now that you mention it...."foolish and silly" is about the size of it

but how did it get that way?

"very suddenly" is all i can come up with

and i'm pretending i didnt see anything about any burgundy pumps...please dont get me started...

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:03 AM

ok not a million :)

and tonid i don't know of one link that will say who is going to be the next president. metaphysical or physical.

but like dada and the research have said...prayer works...sometimes it's called focused intention, or conscious creation...but i'm certainly not opposed to faith based bush ass kicking at this point....

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:03 AM

ilo, dada...i don't think it got this way suddenly at all...just one example, the u.s.-japan relationship began with america coming in huge black military ships hundreds of years ago to insist that japan open its doors to the world...when you start off that way how could we end up anywhere other than where we are now?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:06 AM

I know Jenise. And I have been upbeat for a long time.
My nephew is 52. He was in Viet Nam. He now is buying into what Kerry said when he came back from Viet Nam. My nephew knows full well that those atrocities happened there and yet he is now saying that Kerry made all the soldiers who served in Viet Nam look bad.
This is how evil and devious this admin has been. They have turned everything into a negative for Kerry. What ever he says they turn it on him.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:08 AM

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:03 AM
==================

Dadalux - I can claim first usage of "bilious hatred" tonight, as used here:

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 01:10 AM

Shelly - I am not especially sad tonight. Just feeling it ironic, after trying to say some things - hopefully well thought out, said in a fresh way - but the bloggerz most noticed a couple of trivial things in my phrasing ...

Well, well. I open my hands and let it go.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:10 AM

When everything was fine
And the notion of sin had vanished
And the earth was ready
In universal peace
To consume and rejoice
Without creeds and utopias,

I, for unknown reasons,
Surrounded by the books
Of prophets and theologians,
Of philosophers, poets,
Searched for an answer,
Scowling, grimacing,
Waking up at night, muttering at dawn.

What oppressed me so much
Was a bit shameful.
Talking of it aloud
Would show neither tact nor prudence.
It might even seem an outrage
Against the health of mankind.

Alas, my memory
Does not want to leave me
And in it, live beings
Each with its own pain,
Each with its own dying,
Its own trepidation.

Why then innocence
On paradisal beaches,
An impeccable sky
Over the church of hygiene?
Is it because that
Was long ago?

To a saintly man
--So goes an Arab tale--
God said somewhat maliciously:
"Had I revealed to people
How great a sinner you are,
They could not praise you."

"And I," answered the pious one,
"Had I unveiled to them
How merciful you are,
They would not care for you."

A Poem For the End of the Century
-Czeslaw Milosz

Posted by: shell loves the blog at September 14, 2004 04:13 AM

Toni,

~~~ We really have something to worry about. Kerry should be way ahead of bush by now. ~~~

You're right. How's that for a non-neoconnish answer?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:15 AM

i'm lissnin to jethro tull under wraps now...

i know what you mean ilo...i decided to trust that every one gets what they get from here and that has to be cool with me because at times the blog gets a bit "nutty" you know like tonight and i know that i try to read as much as i can and i still can't get it all so you know...i just put it out and see where it lands...

i have to say pumps prayers and poems does not a bad bloggie make
grrrr

Posted by: shelly at September 14, 2004 04:16 AM

tonid...yeah, i fluctuate between upbeat and downbeat all the time...sometimes so fast my head spins...i think all we can do is pound away and never let up until nov. 2...it gets hard but...we just have to keep pounding...i guess...?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:18 AM

~~~ We really have something to worry about. Kerry should be way ahead of bush by now. ~~~

You're right. How's that for a non-neoconnish answer?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:15 AM

So what do we do? How do we get this message to Kerry? And how does Kerry get this message out to the people?
We can't wait for the debates. It has to start before so it can build up to the debates.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:18 AM

i've been on this blog for like 70 something days ilo...and what a trip!
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:19 AM

is there ANY chance to impeach bush before the
s-election?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:21 AM

What Butler saw : John Kerry, combat hero and anti-war icon

8 minutes ago
TORONTO (AFP) - A keenly awaited documentary premiered in Toronto which is either the first bio-pic of the 44th US president, John Kerry (news - web sites), or a glowing portrait which came too late for a doomed campaign.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1506&e=1&u=/afp/20040914/ts_alt_afp/afplifestyle_canada_film

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:21 AM

it seems the right has focused on the media and it has worked wonders for them...i think maybe we need to pound the media on every story they miss, every time they frame a story a certain way...we could make a difference that way...?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:22 AM

this effect defective came by cause.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 04:24 AM

i don't think there is, shell, with the republican house and senate...not unless the *vast* majority of people in the streets wanted to impeach him...there are groups that've been working on it for a year or more

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:24 AM

when you start off that way how could we end up anywhere other than where we are now?

Posted by: jenise at September 14
=================================
Actually, Jenise, I did not express myself clearly. I was referring to the level of discourse on the blog, and how it seemed to take (kind of) a dive tonight. But, honestly, my comments were just self-centered, because I felt I'd written a few phrases better than the ones the blog continued to quote throughout the evening. [Strange old silly pride of mine - nothing more. That's the essense of my prior comment that you responded to.]

But - as to your view. Yes, I rather agree with you. But I do find one distinction that modern history has made. And for this conclusion that I draw, many people tell me I am foolish, that I am not very smart. But I will share this with you anyway -

Of course, I do know that all emotions, all egoism, all arrogance, pity & love, etc. have always been part of the human condition. But our era has one major distinction from earier times: in the industrialized world, few give birth in their own bed, few die in their own bed at home, few people live in a house where a loved one is dying or being born. And I think this allows us, living in the industrialized world, a sense of immortality. The feeling that we are permanent beings. Such a sense of our Selves allows us to behave with less empathy, less kindness, and more a sense of our own self-importance. From this, I feel, the behavior of bullies is born. I see bullyism in traffic on the freeway, in the workplace, and in school.

Yes, obviously, there have always been bullies in this world. But in times past there was always the possibility that one might consider their own frailness in the world -- for Death might come at any time to any one, prince or pauper. For instance, the brother of Henry David Thoreau died from an infected shaving cut - in the era before penicillin.

Nowadays, most people in the wealthy countries expect to live until old age. I think the unpredictability of Death - back before modern medicine - gave people the opportunity to develop humility. Not that all would. But the possibility was there.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:26 AM

Toni,

~~~ We need the middle states to start bending a little. We are dealing with a country that if you disturb their comfort zone, you're in trouble. ~~~

The middle (red) states are exactly where the polls tell us nothing. I live there. As ilo pointed out, folks are afraid of showing support for Kerry mid-continent. Kerry supporters where I live would never dream of putting Kerry signs in their yards or Kerry stickers on their cars. That invites certain vandalism and might even bring on attacks... personal safety!

Still, even in my area, I'm expecting a 40 - 45% Kerry vote... a record breaking departure from the Republican candidate. You'd never see it in the polls... people are that afraid of thee wingnuts. Now... take that same hidden Kerry support, which you won't see until election day... not a hint of it... take that to states where Bush leads by 10% or less.

I really believe this election will shock the polltakers. I really think Randi's landslide is not out of the question.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:26 AM

(looking at the bilious hatred...)

i think chubby may have selected words and subjects to harp on that would push our buttons, ilo

and burgundy pumps are always an attention getter

that chubby really had me going...i even got out my pearl harbor junk

-----

ya jenise, i see it, its been a long process of violence and propaganda to get to this state of foolishness..."very suddenly" was just for the joke...in hindsight, "very slowly" or "in a handbasket" would have been more appropriate, but that was what i came up with right off the top of my head...

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:26 AM

Ok?
Everyone says I am so dumb for believing this way. I don't mind, really. I believe this way, because I do.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:26 AM

Dadalux,

"... i even got out my pearl harbor junk"

HAHAHAHA!

(I envy boys. They have their toys and things to get from the shelf and play with. I just pull my hair out.)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:29 AM

so you mean there aren't enough people to have an impeach bush march on d.c. type of thing?

and then if that's so, then what is the next best thing to do to make them all go away?

i would guess it's voting? or no? or what? like the chick that i am i want all of you to feel good all the time so you tell me jenise or anyone...
i swear i'm a really great organizer and i have nothing better to do, so if you tell me and the blog tells me what we can do then i am totally in.

i'm good and making lists too..but what i couldn't do because i've imagined it, and that is asking people to register to vote...i'm way too shy and i would sweat all over the place if i tried...i'm not a good "person approacher"...but what's weird is that i will say something to litterers and people who spit.

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:31 AM

Car Bomb Blast Kills 27 in Iraq

17 minutes ago

By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A car bomb exploded near a police station in the Iraqi capital early Tuesday, killing at least 27 people and wounding dozens, officials said.

The blast went off near a station at the end of Haifa Street, a main Baghdad thoroughfare that has been the scene of fierce clashes, as dozens of people were applying to join the force, police said.

The blast left a gaping 10-foot crater and inflicted extensive damage on nearby shops and buildings. Ten cars parked nearby were completely wrecked.

Paramedics picked up body parts scattered across the street and put them into boxes.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=3&u=/ap/20040914/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_explosion

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:32 AM

Toni,

~~~ So what do we do? How do we get this message to Kerry? And how does Kerry get this message out to the people? ~~~

I'm not so sure that what we would like to see Kerry do is better for ensuring victory than what he's doing right now. He's already got us. Remember that. Our 527s haven't even kicked in yet and Bush's are tired and their main toppics are spent.

If Kerry was going to start saying we never should have gone into Iraq... and he should have... he should have done that in May or June. I really think Bush is beaten right now. I think Kerry's people know that... have some inside information to that effect. With the addition of Carville and Bagala and that bunch advising him, I'm certainly not going to second guess them.

I worry sometimes too though and Kerry HAS made some pretty big goofs... like saying he would have voted to give Bush the invasion authority EVEN knowing what he does now ... and expecting the electorate to pick up on some vague nuance that meant the opposite. That REALLY pissed me off!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:35 AM

its a valid theory, ilo

some additional thoughts on the matter...

right of passage rituals are a way of introducing kids to the mysteries like death and the like...

this culture is lacking in right of passage rituals

no sense of death can lead to feelings of invincibility, and reckless behavior

in facing death, one may "put one self out on a limb"...but this is much different from "recklessness"

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:36 AM

expecting the electorate to pick up on some vague nuance that meant the opposite. That REALLY pissed me off!

Posted by: Fishgrease
=====================
Yeah, that was pretty dumb, right?
I couldn't figure out WHAT Kerry thought he'd gain with that remark.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:38 AM

"Nowadays, most people in the wealthy countries expect to live until old age. I think the unpredictability of Death - back before modern medicine - gave people the opportunity to develop humility. Not that all would. But the possibility was there."

sorry for stepping in in the middle and misunderstanding (i tend to do that alot ; ))...that doesn't sound foolish at all to me...i agree...the only thing i would say is that, while it's there to some extent in all industrialized countries, i think this is particularly strong in the states...part of developing humility, i think, comes from being able to see that there are motivations for others do ...according to my sister's colleague's research at berkeley being able to see the reasons behind your own actions, but seeing another's actions as baseless is a trait that is particularly strong among americans...this seems to me to be part of our problem...you know?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:38 AM

ilo, you're beyond smart.

You're brilliant.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:39 AM

i wonder how many bullies there are in cultures with strong rites of passage, as opposed to in this culture

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:40 AM

wtf?

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:41 AM

I guess it was my turn to get depressed.
I am just still amazed that people can believe in these idiots.
It has been mentioned here many times but people still don't see.

1. Loss of Jobs
2. Loss of Rights
3. Loss of Health Care
4. Loss of Lives in Iraq and Afganistan
5. Huge deficits
6. Schools not being funded
7. Social Security and Medicare threatened
8. Public Aid and Medicaid threatened

And I know I am missing things.

How can people look past this?

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:42 AM

its a valid theory, ilo

Posted by: dadalux
=================
Well, you are one of a small handful to say that, Dadalux. Actually, I can't justify my logic, but it's something my heart tells me.

The "right of passage rituals" that you mention probably is something very important that we have lost. Like, maybe today, for a lotta kids, learning how to make meth in the bathtub becomes the equivalent of the right of passage ritual?

There's something more to life than capitalism is equipped to acknowledge; and even if capitalism is okay to a certain extent, it is pathetic that American society has so lost sight of every other aspect of how life takes on meaning. You know - not everybody, of course - but our society, in general.

tut tut tut

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:44 AM

~~~ Yeah, that was pretty dumb, right? I couldn't figure out WHAT Kerry thought he'd gain with that remark. ~~~

Just remember that its a rare Superbowl Champion team that skunks its opponent. Even Champions make mistakes.

I'm thinking of this election as a make or break test of the intelligence and goodness of the American people. It will mean everything one way or the other.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:45 AM

Goodnight guys... See you in September...

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 04:47 AM

dadalux, i know from your posts that you see it...see it quite clearly...didn't mean to be reactionary...the past three or four days have been "jumpy" somehow for me...sorry about that...

shell, yeah...i don't think people would march to impeach bush...not yet
funny...i could never tell anyone to stop littering (i would get sweaty and my heart would start beating all over the place) but i've been able to ask people for interviews on tough subjects and am planning to register to vote people...so it's the opposite, but i know what you mean...the thing is that beyond voting myself and emailing and calling the media/politicians, the only thing i can think to do is register voters, canvass, and get people to the polls...maybe you could contact ACT or Acorn and offer your organizational skills...office work rather than canvassing...?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:47 AM

Shell,

~~~ but what's weird is that i will say something to litterers and people who spit ~~~

And people who park in the handicapped zone and then literally run into the store.. right?

Good on you!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:48 AM

Nite, Mel!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 04:49 AM

"rites", not "rights"...

i think its getting late for old president dada

and yes, i just referred to myself in the third person...

-----

being able to see the reasons behind your own actions, but seeing another's actions as baseless is a trait that is particularly strong among americans...

i think this has something to do with the way it is drilled into kids heads that america is the "shining beacon of democracy" and the "leader of the free world"

so americans have valid reasons because they were born in this great land, while everyone else is from places that havent evolved to our state of perfect democracy

not always stated overtly, it is implied constantly

thanks to "education"

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:50 AM

Goodnight guys... See you in September...

Posted by: Mel
==============
Mel,
Whaddaya mean? It IS September. (Or, am I wrong again?)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:50 AM

"i wonder how many bullies there are in cultures with strong rites of passage, as opposed to in this culture"

i bet there's a strong correlation between the two ...also the idea of 'kejime' ...maybe after the election you can look this up...goes well with tatemae and honne...

mel, you were here? i leave next week for ohio...we're still on for oct. 9th?

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:51 AM

ok here goes...
1..2..3...

bye blog...

and dada never responding to my emails; yeah i don't dig that...although i did dig shellsy...

i don't know the official way of leaving a blog but i'll just say

power to the people dig it groovy right on give peace a chance far out let it be all you need is love and be sure to wear a flower in your hair...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:52 AM

You may be surprised but even combs worry:

Has there ever been a worse campaigner than Kerry?

Even I could do better on the campaign trail

and I am only a comb

But there is still October

otherwise, I would close my eyes and let myself

get slimed for another four years -

Oh, by the way:

it occurred to me that cousins of the Swiftboat people may have something to do with the 60 Minutes documents ... too many smirking faces about ...

just a thought that came to me in the still of the night

but what do I know

I am only a comb

Posted by: wolfowitz's comb at September 14, 2004 04:53 AM

seeing another's actions as baseless is a trait that is particularly strong among americans...this seems to me to be part of our problem...you know?

Posted by: jenise
+++++++++++++++++
Yes, Jenise, I agree. And it just drives me crazy to be around these types. Like, even the kooky trolls, I try to treat them as if they make sense - even though mostly, they do not.

Unless we learn to appreciate the limits of our own selves, we'll never be able to sit together at one table and work our our differences.

Presidents Clinton and Carter were much better about this type of thing, because I feel they really did have the capacity for love. This little Bush in the White House - he is not a stateman, and never can be.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:54 AM

"so americans have valid reasons because they were born in this great land, while everyone else is from places that havent evolved to our state of perfect democracy"

exactly, exactly, exactly, dada...and it's just so damn pervasive...and silly-looking from the outside...

in a handbasket, i like...

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 04:54 AM

all you need is love and be sure to wear a flower in your hair...
:)

Posted by: shell at September 14, 2004 04:52 AM
================

You're a sweetheart, Shell. See ya later, huh?

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:56 AM

i dont know if capitalism has any redeeming values

short of maximizing short term gains

at the expense of anything else

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:56 AM

jeff ozenbaugh is a jerkoff.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 04:57 AM

Sharon Rebuffs Netanyahu Bid for Gaza Pullout Vote

28 minutes ago
By Matt Spetalnick

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) on Tuesday rejected a call from Benjamin Netanyahu (news - web sites), his main rival in the Likud party, to put his Gaza withdrawal plan to a referendum and vowed to carry it out on schedule.

Netanyahu, Israel's finance minister, said on Monday a vote was needed to defuse tensions with ultra-rightists determined to resist a withdrawal. Sharon has denounced his hardline opponents as threatening to lead Israel into civil war.

Responding to Netanyahu's surprise challenge, Sharon told Israeli dailies that a nationwide referendum "is not on the agenda" because such a move would delay his plan to remove 21 Gaza settlements and four West Bank enclaves by the end of 2005.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=721&e=1&u=/nm/20040914/wl_nm/mideast_dc

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 04:57 AM

Screw the polls. Fuck the news. Come election day it's about who you trust to not fuck it up more, no matter what your issue of choice is.

Bush is going to do his "common sensical" village idiot, I'm one of youse thing.

Kerry is going to stick to the issues and point up Bush's failures and try to act presidential.

The 527's will continue to attack Kerry until he looks like Jesus in The Passion and that will win over some of the Religious fanatics

Michael Moore will do press for his DVD release of F911 and talk about the seven minutes and open a few more eyes

Nader will be insignificant because only wastes of space will vote for him.

And Kerry will win handedly because we will have the biggest voter turn out in the history of presidential elections in this country.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 04:57 AM

and that is certainly not a reedeming value in any way shape form or function

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 04:58 AM

- how many bullies there are in cultures with strong rites of passage -

Since bullies are incapable of team-work and group effort, and since bullies lack leadership qualities, I really suspect bullies would be banished from such societies.

Here - our love for the independant maverick leads almost toward putting bullies on a pedestal.

Like, the new Army commercials (I am an Army of one). Whatever happened to team spirit?

And, to me it seems, the role of CEO is actually the Bully in Chief. And America loves its CEO's.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:01 AM

~~~ while everyone else is from places that havent evolved to our state of perfect democracy ~~~

And most will never get the chance. I'm an atheist, but it doesn't keep me from seeing that Armageddon has already draped its black shadow over 3/5ths of this planet. We had our chance to be charitable to the starving and oppressed multitudes. It doesn't matter what we do for them now. They are lost. If there were a God he would have smited us long before now.

Or maybe Bush is our smite!

Who knows. I just know that democracy is no more worthy of worship than Jesus' Mom, and that worshiping it now will do about as much good.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:01 AM

thank you mel

sounds about right

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 05:03 AM

Mel,
Whaddaya mean? It IS September. (Or, am I wrong again?)
Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 04:50 AM

Just kidding... It means see you tomorrow.

Jenise drop me an E-mail and we'll hook up somewhere.

Night.

Posted by: Mel at September 14, 2004 05:03 AM

goodnight shell...sweet dreams (though i imagine you're not going to bed for a while yet, no?)

ilo, please remind me next time to tell you about the 'ultimatum' part of my documentary...have to go now, but it's about seeing part of bush in myself - scared the hell out of me...it's been very nice talking with you tonight...

goodnight, tonid, fishgrease, dada...mel's right i think...voter turnout...and unpolled young voters with only cell phones...

mel, the strand and coffee...we're still on, i hope...?

not too in love with capitalism myself...speaking of which, have to get back to work if i'll be able to feed myself in ohio...

love you all.

Posted by: jenise at September 14, 2004 05:03 AM

Mel,
Thanks. I hope you are right.
I am an election judge this year and I am looking forward to it.
More people should sign up to be an election judge or a poll watcher. It is very important this year.
We are lacking these in our area so I am sure that other areas lack these as well.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:03 AM

i dont know if capitalism has any redeeming values

short of maximizing short term gains

at the expense of anything else

Posted by: dadalux
==================
I have never felt much antagonism for sole-proprietorship capitalism, which is how America worked for most of its history. Its just the buccaneer capitalism of the multinationals which really makes me think the devil must be at work.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:04 AM

Jenise,

It's always my pleasure when you are here. Hope to chat again soon. And do, please, tell me more about your documentary when you've more time, okay.

Pray for peace, work for justice.
(Kerry in a landslide!)

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:06 AM

Ok ok ok, Mel. I gotcha. Are you going now? If so, good night, good night.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:07 AM

Good night Jenise, or Good day.
O hiyo gaza imas!!!

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:08 AM

ya fish, i dont think we really have a real working democracy in this country

power is still concentrated in the hands of a few, and that power is what makes the decisions...

capitalism is sort of naturally opposed to democracy

we have capitalism that calls itself democracy because people like the idea of democracy

if we had a real democracy in america,
the american workplace would be democratic

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 05:08 AM

Didn't catch the show tonight. Is Sarah Silverman one of us... or was she frustratingly non-committal? Was she a non-political ditz?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:08 AM

My opinion on Sarah, she is definately liberal but I think a flake.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:10 AM

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 05:08 AM

You are:
Exactly Exactly Exactly right.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:12 AM

~~~ My opinion on Sarah, she is definately liberal but I think a flake. ~~~

Maybe she lacks courage. No matter. She hasn't become active so she's no longer sexy. It ain't about fun and games any more. Perky tits don't get it in the middle of a disaster.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:14 AM

I wonder how this will play with these Guardsman or do they have to sign a paper too?

Bush to Address National Guardsmen
48 minutes ago
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

AURORA, Colo. - President Bush (news - web sites) is honoring the sacrifice of National Guardsmen in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites), noting their special role in the war on terror, and saying he also is proud of his own Vietnam-era stint as a citizen soldier.

Bush was not expected to address the controversy swirling around unexplained gaps in his service in the Texas Air National Guard in his address to the 126th National Guard Association of the United States conference Tuesday in Las Vegas.

He was to express his pride in commanding the tens of thousands of guardsmen mobilized for the war on terror and other missions at home and abroad. In all, the Washington-based association says more than 225,000 guardsmen — roughly half the force — have been called to active duty since the terrorists attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20040914/ap_on_el_pr/bush

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:15 AM

Is Sarah Silverman one of us... or was she frustratingly non-committal? Was she a non-political ditz?

Posted by: Fishgrease
=====================

I was kind of waiting for someone to say this. I have an idea about this. I think Sarah is one of us because she thinks with her heart. And I think she knows what time it is.

Actually - I, myself, look kind of strong and forceful when I write. But, in person, I think I'm a bit like Sarah, because I can get confused easily in spoken conversations, and lotsa people think I am dizzy. But if I write, I have more poise. I liked Sarah on the show. Although I was, honestly, surprised she didn't know Zell Miller. Maybe she doesn't follow the news too much, and I'm kind of a news junky. But she is DEFINITELY one of us -- I can tell.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:16 AM

~~~ I wonder how this will play with these Guardsman or do they have to sign a paper too? ~~~

Good question! Try shutting some of THEM boys up by pulling their hair or kicking them!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:17 AM

``and saying he also is proud of his own Vietnam-era stint as a citizen soldier.

The unmittigated gall!!!! Proud? Citizen Soldier?

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:17 AM

~~~ My opinion on Sarah, she is definately liberal but I think a flake. ~~~

People can look like a flake, even when they're not.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:18 AM

"mom and pop" style capitalism is wonderful

tho america has had the class issue since its founding

there was always a very wealthy bunch with the power, not willing to share, usually because of the rationalization that "the masses" need to be governed, they cant handle power...a good excuse to keep the scales tipped in favor of the few

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 05:19 AM

~~~ Maybe she doesn't follow the news too much ~~~

Then she's not only not sexy anymore... she's half dead. Just my opinion. I just don't find stupid women appealing. She didn't know who Zel Miller was?

Is she an inflatable doll?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:21 AM

FISH!

Sometimes you are so, so very crass. If I didn't like you, I would really, really not like you.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:24 AM

She didn't know who Zel Miller was?

Is she an inflatable doll?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:21 AM

%-wise, how many other ppl. do you think wouldn't know? (in the U.S.)

more or less than 25%?

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 05:27 AM

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 05:28 AM

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 05:19 AM

You just have to go back to the Hoover Era, J P Morgan, Rockerfeller and that ilk.

After Roosevelt and the war, we created the Nouvo Riche who took over for the others. They were even more dangerous. More bullying but in a nuanced way. You didn't know what was happening to you. And may I say, without prejudice, the Jews took over the banking and loans.

We must get more watch dog entities or more stringent laws for business. Hard with lobbyists, but necessary.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:29 AM

ilo,

Sorry... its just that I don't think a woman is sexy unless there's a hypothetical chance I could love her. How do you love someone who isn't freaking paying attention? If they're not paying attention NOW, like?

Anyone who isn't paying attention now is either stupid, uncaring or a sheltered, self-centered Hollywood type. That ain't sexy. Do you still find Mel Gibson sexy?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:29 AM

more or less than 25%?

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 05:27 AM
++++++++++++++++++++++
Something like 15% of American adults can't even find the Pacific Ocean on the map.

In the great scheme of things, knowing who Zell Miller is, probably not too many people know.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:30 AM

In the great scheme of things, knowing who Zell Miller is, probably not too many people know.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:30 AM

Maybe that is good in a way.
Wouldn't want too many people knowing turncoats,
unless they are on the other side ;)

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:34 AM

How about Bruce Willis?

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:35 AM

Türkei droht USA mit Ende der Zusammenarbeit

Die Türkei hat den USA mit dem Ende der Zusammenarbeit im Irak gedroht, falls die US-Truppen weiter Ziele im Norden des Irak angriffen. In dem Gebiet leben viele türkischstämmige Menschen.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,317928,00.html

Posted by: Old Europe at September 14, 2004 05:35 AM

Not that I'm that much of a catch myself, obviously.

I do pay attention.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:36 AM

~Something like 15% of American adults can't even find the Pacific Ocean on the map.~

welcome to the 21st century.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 05:36 AM

US, Russia secretly remove uranium from Uzbekistan

1 hour, 34 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States and Russia carried out a secret operation last week to remove weapons-grade uranium from the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan, whose government is facing growing Islamist unrest, said the Energy Department.

But the removal also coincided with escalating criticism of President George W. Bush (news - web sites) by his democratic rival in the November 2 election, Senator John Kerry (news - web sites), who has accused the White House of being lax in confronting the spread of nuclear material around the world.

Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) said Monday the one-day operation, implemented last Thursday, was crucial for enhancing international security.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1504&e=4&u=/afp/20040914/pl_afp/us_uzbekistan_russia_040914080142

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:37 AM

Fish,

I never ever thought Mel Gibson was sexy because I always thought he was dumb as a box of rocks. I find Juan Cole brilliant, but I do not find Juan Cole sexy.

For me, it is gratifying if a man finds me sexy -- but it ALWAYS depends on which man we are talking about. If Rush Limbaugh thought I was sexy, I would be totally creeped out. Ewwwww!

The interesting thing about guys, is they always begin by judging whether a woman is sexy. But for a woman, we make other - more important - judgments first. Like, are they likable, caring, trustworthy, fun, cooperative, comfortable to be around. Most girls don't get to "sexy" thoughts unless the other preliminaries are in place. Guys go from zero to sexy without caring for anything else.

To me, that is a kind of sorry way to be, really.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:39 AM

Saudi Arabia just saying this because they want to appear on US side to get Bush elected again.
---------
Saudi Arabia against 40-dollar price level for oil
1 hour, 31 minutes ago

VIENNA (AFP) - Saudi Arabia said that OPEC (news - web sites) is against a 40-dollar price tag on oil, but admitted there was little the 11-member cartel could do to reduce it as other players are involved.

"We do not support this price and OPEC does not want this price," Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Nuaimi told a group of reporters, referring to the current price of oil, which is skirting at between 40 and 45 dollars per barrel.

He said the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was doing what it could to take the heat out of oil prices after they rocketed in recent months on fears of political turmoil in the Middle East and soaring demand in China.

"OPEC is doing its part, but OPEC is not the only player in town and people want to make money," said the influential minister while on a visit to Vienna, where he and his oil counterparts are due to hold a key meeting to discuss production quotas and other issues on Wednesday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=7&u=/afp/20040914/ts_afp/opec_oil_saudi_prices_040914080733

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:43 AM

~~~ Like, are they likable, caring, trustworthy, fun, cooperative, comfortable to be around. ~~~

Like I said, sexy.

I guess I'm too political on top of all that too, though. Its that if they aren't paying attention to what we're doing in Iraq (caring) then they might just be swayed toward the other side (trustworthy?)

Men aren't all that different. We just define different things as sexy... while maintaining sexy as being important.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:45 AM

~~~ Like, are they likable, caring, trustworthy, fun, cooperative, comfortable to be around. ~~~

Like I said, sexy.

Posted by: Fishgrease
=====================

Well, Mr. Fish, that's not what I heard. What I heard was:
++++
Perky tits don't get it in the middle of a disaster.

Posted by: Fishgrease

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:48 AM

Anyways... Sarah Silverman is off the list.

And I'm sleepy.

Nite, ilo, Toni and unnamed poster!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:48 AM

~~~ Perky tits don't get it in the middle of a disaster. ~~~

Wait... you're not maintaining they DO, right?

Just that I'm crass for putting it like that?

Or maybe that Sarah Silverman doesn't have perky tits?

*kidding*

Sorry!

Nite!

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:50 AM

Ok, Mr. Fish. But I still think Sarah is a good egg, and maybe if she had never been on your sexy list, you might better appreciate her for who she is. I suspect she is aware of her world, and you maybe shouldn't be so judgemental.

Anyway - you are just being a guy, and I know that. So. I don't take any offense, really; I just wanted to point out how it sounded to my ears. But it's not like your words wounded me, or even surprised me.

It's ok. I look forward to chatting again. I do always enjoy your writing and your thoughts about politics.

So, good night, and sweet dreams, my friend, Mr. Fish.
xoxoxox

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 05:53 AM

Bush Ad Assails Kerry on Health Care
Mon Sep 13, 5:54 PM ET
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer

President Bush (news - web sites) criticizes the "liberals in Congress" and Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), arguing that they want "a government-run" health care plan in a television ad the campaign rolled out Monday.

"Big government in charge. Not you. Not your doctor," the Bush-Cheney campaign claims in the commercial set to air on national cable networks and in 17 battleground states beginning Tuesday.

While Bush leads his Democratic rival in polls on the issue of national security, the Republican incumbent has trailed Kerry on domestic issues, including health care. The release of the latest commercial came on the same day Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) criticized Kerry on health care in separate campaign appearances in Michigan and Iowa.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=2043&e=15&u=/ap/20040913/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_ads

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:53 AM

Night Fish.
Sleep well, better than me anyway

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:56 AM

This can't be good for Bush..

Blair to urge US to take tougher action on global warming

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3591351&thesection=news&thesubsection=world

Just saw it as I was shutting down.

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 05:56 AM

Guess I will try to get some sleep again.
We will be assailed by Wardog and the rest this AM.
Maybe I can sleep through this.
Night all.
And ilo, I agree with you re: the way men and woman look at things a little diferently.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 05:59 AM

ok i'm gonna go for a bit, i have to be up in a couple hours...

thanks for the stimulating conversation and news links ilo, t, fish, sleeping shell, mel, and all

see you tomorrow, i hope?

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/1387/birdanim2.gif

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/image/images/predrotatet.gif

http://www.geocities.com/woogle_sheep/obsess/obsessp/finalfantasy/ff9_animated/vivi.gif

Posted by: dadalux at September 14, 2004 06:00 AM

Okay, Toni-D, I do hope you feel better in the morning. I'm still trying to look forward to a better America, one where we are helpful to others and a peacemaking nation. I think this character will not be elected and a rationale leader will become President. Time will tell. But, please, don't let all the icky news of the world bring you down. Faith, hope, love - and, really, that's all we can do.

Good night, Toni.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 06:07 AM

*********************************************************************

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:08 AM

Dadlux, are you still there? I just wanted to say, especially, thank you for your comments this evening. I've enjoyed your presence each time you are on the blog, and tonight especially.

Good, good night to you.

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 06:09 AM

Where is Nobody, oh! Nobody?

Posted by: ilo at September 14, 2004 06:10 AM

To everything we know there is a season -- a time for sadness, a time for struggle, a time for rebuilding.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/02/gop.bush.transcript/

Ecc 3:1 For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven:

Ecc 3:2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Ecc 3:3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

Ecc 3:4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

Ecc 3:5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

Ecc 3:6 a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

Ecc 3:7 a time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

Ecc 3:8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.

Posted by: Bush'sBrain at September 14, 2004 06:12 AM

The ULTIMATE Kitten Post
http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/003149.html

Posted by: Fishgrease at September 14, 2004 12:30 AM

AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

Posted by: So cute! at September 14, 2004 06:13 AM

what a controversial post: .......kittens are cute.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:19 AM

That's debatable

Posted by: Dog Person at September 14, 2004 06:23 AM

It's too early for controversy for me...
*yawn*
Where's the kibble?
Where's the love?

Posted by: Muffin at September 14, 2004 06:26 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee#History

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:36 AM

"Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review ... any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of Federal, State, or local government ... by reason of that element’s or officer’s acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."

-- Constitutional Restoration Act of 2004 (H.R. 3799)

"Shiva has eight forms: Rudra, Sharva, Bhava, Ugra, Bhima, Pashupati, Ishana, and Mahadeva, which, according to the Shiva Purana, correspond to the earth, water, fire, wind, sky, a yogi called Kshetragya, the sun, and the moon respectively."

-- http://1stholistic.com/Prayer/Hindu/hol_Hindu-Shiva.htm

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:42 AM

Acorns as coffee substitute?
Bleh! They must have known something I don't about getting rid of tannin...
Yes, hmmm
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/keninga/acorn.htm

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:43 AM

The Budget and Economic Outlook: An Update
September 8, 2004

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=5786&sequence=0

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 06:54 AM

GOOD MORNING BAGHDAD !!

We need the voice of Robin Williams.

We'll another day of budding democracy
in Baghdad and all around Iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3654176.stm

We've brought Bush democracy to Iraq.
the wonderful heady state of being
that comes with chaos, the smell of
burning rubber, the sounds of bombs
and sirens, the sight of blood and
body parts on the street.

Just remember this is Bush bringing
you his brand of liberty, ain't it
grand ?

The Iraqis must love how we've made
their city streets "the front on the
war on terror" ; no thanks necessary.

Posted by: Ajax at September 14, 2004 07:00 AM

"Bev Harris, an investigative journalist, has shown how it might be. You can read about it at Black Box Voting.

Air America is trying to get Harris a bigger platform by getting her booked on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Email Oprah and suggest she book Harris."

I'm also going to suggest booking Corrine Brown for the same show:
"August 24, 2004
Congresswoman Brown Formally Invites Organization of American States to Monitor November Election
(Washington, DC) Congresswoman Corrine Brown has formally invited The Organization of American States to participate in the upcoming United States presidential elections as election monitors."
More here:
http://www.house.gov/corrinebrown/

Posted by: Cashews at September 14, 2004 07:01 AM

if ilo

is still around

(and b4 i forget)

luv ya!

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 07:08 AM

How can any Republican support someone as incompetent as Bush?
Even folks who like and support the idea of our war against/occupation of Iraq should be waking up to the idea that he's a miserable failure at that too. War Dog, smell the coffee yet?

And the miserable failure at handing money, his profligate spending, we are paying for it in many ways, it is coming out of our pockets (the states are going to get the blame, not the lousy Bush policies which are the source of the problem) while he claims to be cutting taxes.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 07:11 AM

There is a God and she is pissed. Payback time Bush and it won't get pretty.
Bush's crimes against humanity will be payed through the devestation of Hurricane Ivan.
Start praying.

Bush bin lying.
Bush bin cheating and mother nature will avenge your crimes.

Now Ivan has Oil Fields in Its 160 Mph Sights

"PA"

Hurricane Ivan pounded the heartland of Cuba’s famed cigar industry with the worst of its 160 mph winds today and then set its eye to attack the Gulf of Mexico and US oil interests.

One of the fiercest storms ever recorded in the Caribbean, Ivan has killed at least 68 people in seven islands or countries, devastated Grenada and badly battered Negril resort in Jamaica.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 07:12 AM

Nice link
Posted by: 13ben at September 13, 2004 10:17
from upthread:

http://www.couplescompany.com/Features/Politics/Structure3.htm

Posted by: Thank you, 13ben at September 14, 2004 07:27 AM

i got a phone call and the machine voice asked me to press 1 if i support bush and 2 if kerry.
i pressed 1 by mistake.

Posted by: LiberalBlogConfessions at September 14, 2004 07:56 AM

Noooooooo!

Posted by: The horror at September 14, 2004 07:57 AM

~Noooooooo!~

yep. i was p*ss*d. then i had to feel all guilty when i heard he was ahead...

(sorry!)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 08:04 AM

Actually, don't worry about the polls right now. I think at the moment they are mostly a helpful guide to what the campaigns should be doing. I don't start sweating until the first week in October.
Of course, I can't stop myself from going to
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
every single freaking day ;)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 08:08 AM

~Of course, I can't stop myself from going to
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
every single freaking day ;)~

does seeing that little 'nader' % bug the crap out of you too?

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 08:11 AM

Damn straight it does.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 08:16 AM

U.S. Scare entering bankruptcy has asked to stay in business by being able to cop out on pension plans. More victims of Bush's financial policies. Nothing is safe with this administaration. How long will it be before they start raiding the public pension funds?

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6222961&src=rss/topNews§ion=news

Posted by: RWiley at September 14, 2004 08:18 AM

So many I know are fiscal conservatives, but they are not well-informed about the spendthrift policies of the current admin. They "believe" that if you pick someone with an "R" after their name, their wallets and purses will be fine. They just chant "tax and spend dem, neener neener, I can't hear you, nyah nyah."

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 08:26 AM

Iraq is worse than you think.....

http://www.back-to-iraq.com/archives/000818.php

Posted by: RWiley at September 14, 2004 08:30 AM

in the face of the daily DAILY atrocities,
presidential elections are horse races
and 911 was a couple big buildings falling down

Posted by: dadalux at September 13, 2004 10:10 PM

How is it when a troll is on the blog, everyone gets rabbit ears, and dogpiles on him , but when this clown makes a statement like this, no one has anything to say.

9/11 was a PEOPLE tragedy, the buildings were incidental.

Half way though catching up with the blog, between the bitching and whining, I was seriously considering changing my vote to Bush. Thank God, Fishgrease and Mel returned me to sanity.

Posted by: W@W at September 14, 2004 09:04 AM

I took dadalux to mean that the human tragedy in Iraq (and elsewhere in the world)is enormous. Not just those killed and maimed by our troops (a huge number), but the death and disease wrought by "spent" radioative munitions, the lack of clean water and poor distribution of food, the lack of medicines and medical facilities, the... *sigh*
I didn't take dadalux's statement the same way at all, obviously.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:11 AM

CNN/USAT/Gallup | 9/9-9/12 631 LV 5.0 52 44 1 Bush +8

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aE.VxTOeh5fQ&refer=top_world_news

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So what's the best thing to do..

To point out that your electoral vote site is full of holes seems rather mean!

But to allow you to wallow in that kind of misinformation is not any kinder!

Of course you actually already know this..

So maybe it's best to allow you to pretend if that's what you want to do!

Posted by: War Dog at September 14, 2004 09:11 AM

You have to note this comment about Canada that O'Reilly made last night at http://loganslurch.blogspot.com/2004/09/oreilly-says-canada-is-becoming.html He just let's loose with anything .. no thought whatsoever!

Posted by: Tim from Ohio at September 14, 2004 09:14 AM

People took some notice at 1000 U.S. deaths in Iraq.

Will it hit 3000? More?

(I guess I don't have a point... I just think it sucks.)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:14 AM

In an awareness of all that is happening now, distracting folks from that by declaring "Patriot Day" and to make political hay from the human tragedy of 3 years ago is more disgusting than anything anyone could type into this blog.
If GWB was a decent man, he would have just declared a day of rememberance and quietly attended memorial services.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:17 AM

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Lots of different information from many polls.
And if you can actually read with comprehension, there are caveats and explanations.
Don't be a poodle, use your noodle.

I wish I could limerick like RWiley;)

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:22 AM

oh good. condi's on c-span again.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:23 AM

The economy is not improving. It is stagnent.

8:30am 09/14/04
U.S. Aug. retail sales fall 0.3% By Rex Nutting
WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) - Retail sales in the United States fell 0.3 percent in August, the third decline in the past five months, the Commerce Department estimated Tuesday. Economists were expecting a smaller decline of 0.1 percent, but the figure was close to expectations considering the upward revision in July sales from 0.7 percent to 0.8 percent. Auto sales dropped 1.9 percent, more than accounting for the decline. Excluding autos, sales rose 0.2 percent as expected. Sales were up 4.9 percent in the past year. Chain store sales were mixed. General merchandise store sales fell 0.4 percent. Health and personal care store sales increased 1 percent
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?guid={87EB6092-EE2B-4B0F-97A1-EFD5EB27B7F3}&siteid=mktw&dist=bnb

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 09:28 AM

It would take a moron to assume that people only look at the front map and nothing else at
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Happily, we're short on morons and fools.
Had to import the Bush supporters.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:29 AM

Nasty Boy:

While I tend to view your glib assurances about the economy trumping national security as the knowing surety of youthful inexperience (complete with analogies to financial advisors blowing the wad in Vegas, no less; how cheeky and pert of you!), I'm wondering if you would take the advice of Paul Krugman?
_______________

Taking On the Myth

By PAUL KRUGMAN

. . . If Senator John Kerry really has advisers telling him not to attack Mr. Bush on national security, he should dump them [consider yourself dumped, Nasty]. When Dick Cheney is saying vote Bush or die, responding with speeches about jobs and health care doesn't cut it.

Mr. Kerry should counterattack by saying that Mr. Bush is endangering the nation by subordinating national security to politics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/opinion/14krugman.html?hp

____________

Hmmm, doesn't that sound familiar?

I myself made a very similar point one day prior to the appearance of a Krugman article recommending that Kerry assail the myth of the W. leadership.

I think you are grievously mistaken in this.

Posted by: dr at September 14, 2004 09:33 AM

Rip Van Winkle Awakens to . . . What!

Discounting for a moment that W. was appointed by the Supreme Court and not elected, what the 2000 presidential race demonstrated for the Bush Administration was just how easy (and fun!) it was for a deliberately deceitful administration to punk out the press (directly) and the American people (indirectly). It was a training ground, a sort of lab experiment, for the Bush Administration. Lessons learned. The Bushies put them immediately to use.

Because when you can "win" a presidential campaign by assiduously avoiding the issues and concentrating on things like how "Al Gore says he invented the internet, and don't reckless statements like this cast grave doubts on Al Gore's status as a truth-teller?", well, once you've been appointed to office under those conditions -- and no one from the press has had the temerity to publicly declare you a fool or a weasel or both -- you really don't need to be reminded that the world is your oyster, now do you?

Throw in a national tragedy, feed the myth of the visionary leader, stoke the fires of the cult of personality, spread a sense of fear and helplessness and that only you, messiah-like, are capable of saving the country, in spite of every evidence to the contrary, and voila, here we are.

Kerry *cannot* win unless he destroys, or seriously erodes, the W. leadership myth. To do that, Kerry must speak forcefully, directly, movingly and plainly to the American people. Kerry must strike at the glass tower and shatter it into shards in a sea of glass.

I really hope he's got it in him.

Posted by: dr at September 6, 2004 01:37 PM
Posted by: DavidRichey at September 7, 2004 12:43 PM

Posted by: dr at September 14, 2004 09:39 AM

Headline: Hurricane Forces GOP to Put Nader on Florida Ballot Despite Court Order ...

From Reuters ...

Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader's name can appear on Florida ballots for the election, despite a court order to the contrary, Florida's elections chief told officials on Monday in a move that could help President Bush in the key swing state.
The Florida Democratic Party reacted with outrage, calling the move "blatant partisan maneuvering" by Gov. Jeb Bush, the president's younger brother, and vowed to fight it.

In a memo to Florida's 67 county supervisors of elections, Division of Elections director Dawn Roberts said the uncertainty of Hurricane Ivan, which could hit parts of the state by week's end, forced her to act.

The action came in an ongoing legal battle over whether Nader should be allowed on the Florida ballot as the Reform Party candidate.

Nader, an independent nominated by the Reform Party, was a presidential candidate in 2000 when Bush won Florida, and the White House, by 537 votes over then-Vice President Al Gore. Analysts said most of the nearly 98,000 votes Nader got in Florida would have gone to Gore had Nader not been on the ballot.

Florida Circuit Court Judge Kevin Davey issued a temporary injunction last week preventing the state from putting Nader on the 2004 ballot, siding with a Democratic challenge that the Reform Party did not qualify as a national party under state law.

A hearing on a permanent injunction is scheduled for Wednesday. But Roberts said Hurricane Ivan, which is headed for Florida's Gulf coast, had raised "a substantial question as to when such a hearing" will be held.

Remember, it's the rule of law party.

-- Josh Marshall

Posted by: bibimimi at September 14, 2004 09:40 AM

Nasty Boy:
_______________

Taking On the Myth

By PAUL KRUGMAN

. . . Can Mr. Kerry, who voted to authorize the Iraq war, criticize it?

Yes, by pointing out that he voted only to give Mr. Bush a big stick. Once that stick had forced Saddam to let W.M.D. inspectors back in, there was no need to invade.

And Mr. Kerry should keep pounding Mr. Cheney, who is trying to cover for the absence of W.M.D. by lying, yet again, about Saddam's ties to Al Qaeda.

Some pundits are demanding that Mr. Kerry produce a specific plan for Iraq - a demand they never make of Mr. Bush.

Mr. Kerry should turn the tables, and demand to know what - aside from pretending that things are going fine - Mr. Bush intends to do about the spiraling disaster.

And Mr. Kerry can ask why anyone should trust a leader who refuses to replace the people who created that disaster because he thinks it's bad politics to admit a mistake.

. . . The truth is that Mr. Bush, by politicizing the "war on terror," is putting America at risk. And Mr. Kerry has to say that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/opinion/14krugman.html?hp

____________

Hmmm, doesn't that sound familiar?

Again, I think you are grievously mistaken in this.

Posted by: dr at September 14, 2004 09:41 AM

dR,
I was just about to post that Paul Krugman article myself. If you've read up blog you know my position is very close to yours.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 09:42 AM

David..

So tell me what you thought of that article..

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14582

I thought it one a long way to explaining the fundamentals of the problem of terrorism..

And I also thought that it explained what Bush meant when he said we could not win this war..

At least not on the battlefield.

Posted by: War Dog at September 14, 2004 09:43 AM

dr,
This is what I posted up blog.

Kerry is just not tough enough on bush. And he
** must ** take a stance on Iraq. Kerry has said things but they are always being turned against him.
FRom now on he has to clarify himself and say he
** never ** would have gone to war in Iraq.

Posted by: tonid at September 14, 2004 09:46 AM

As long as GWB is in office, we just can't win period.

Posted by: at September 14, 2004 09:48 AM

How can he possibly do that Toni..

How many times can you change your position and still hope to be taken seriously?

If the Democrats wanted an antiwar candidate they should have nominated Howard Dean.

Posted by: War Dog at September 14, 2004 09:49 AM

swear I don't have time for this post but...

Sen. is at OUR St. Ann Center right now.

That's the St. Ann Ctr. Ray (my client, boss, pal) goes to!

how about that.

bye!

Posted by: Rustle Of Luv at September 14, 2004 09:50 AM

Incidentally, who is posting as "DavidR"?

I haven't read upblog, but just scanned and noticed the posting.

Any info would be appreciated.

Meanwhile, I will take a peek and see if there has been any confusion caused by this unfortunate and close similarity in nicks.

Posted by: dr at September 14, 2004 09:50 AM

swear I don't have time for this post but...

Sen. kerry is at OUR St. Ann Center right now.

That's the St. Ann Ctr. Ray (my client, boss, pal) goes to!

how about that.

bye!

Posted by: Rustle Of Luv at September 14, 2004 09:50 AM

Lauer and Bush golfing:

http://www.tourturf.com/article.cfm?msg_id=53

"Former President George Bush has TourTurf greens at his vacation home in Kennebunkport, Me., and was seen on national television putting on them with Matt Lauer of The Today Show."

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