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August 21, 2004
What was bush doing...
when he was in his twenties?
this is what John Kerry was doing.
Who knows what Bush was doing?
Everyone around the world says no to bush. hang it in your window no matter where you live or work.
Posted by majority at August 21, 2004 11:35 PM
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Praying for Sistani's Good Health
By MARC D. CHARNEY
Published: August 22, 2004
ast week, the Iraqi city of Najaf teetered between hopes for a truce and threats of an all-out government assault to rout the rebel Islamic cleric Moktada al-Sadr. Amatzia Baram, a professor of Middle Eastern history at the University of Haifa in Israel and a senior fellow at the United States Institute of Peace in Washington, was asked by Marc D. Charney of The New York Times how the confrontation might affect events in Iraq. His assessment is based on events as of Friday.
Q. What is the likely outcome in Najaf if Mr. Sadr and the government can make a deal that holds?
A. It's possible that a deal would last long enough to allow Mr. Sadr to evacuate the mosque, but it's unlikely that his men will really disarm, even if they promise to. So the likelihood of a future showdown somewhere else is high. Still, a stand-down would remove the danger that American forces would be assisting a government assault on a shrine that is so sacred. But that would remain true only if the government immediately moved forcefully to prevent a re-introduction of Mr. Sadr's armed supporters into this and other shrines.
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Q. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the pre-eminent Shiite cleric in Iraq who has helped defuse confrontations with Mr. Sadr in the past, has been on the sidelines, being treated for a heart condition in London. What role is he playing right now?
A. Well, he has heart problems, but the signs also indicate he wants to appear above the fray. He could have issued a denunciation of Moktada as he did during the last major confrontation last spring, but he hasn't. All he has done so far is to put out a communiqué asking to resolve the issue peacefully. Being in London now has the effect of giving the Americans and the Iraqi government a green light to confront Moktada, maybe even at the shrine, without the grand ayatollah saying so. That way, he can let the Americans and the government do what they will, and then denounce them later, if they cause a disaster.
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at August 21, 2004 11:51 PM
Shia Strength
Guardian UK
August 20th, 2004
"He is in touch with events minute to minute, whatever happens in Iraq," says Syed Mohammed Musawi, president of the World Muslim League, of his spiritual leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.
Certainly events in Najaf, where Moqtada al-Sadr is said to have agreed to hand over control of the Imam Ali mosque to followers of Iraq's most important Shia leader, suggest that Mr Sistani still wields enormous influence despite being 3,200 miles away from Iraq recovering from a heart operation.
Many feared that Iraq would suffer from the lack of his moderating influence when he flew to London for treatment of a blocked artery last month, but Mr Musawi, one of his closest followers, insists that the septuagenarian ayatollah remains Iraq's most important guide.
"Ayatollah Sistani is the father and the wise leader of all the Shia Muslims and Iraqis in general. His word is the word of wisdom, we follow his guidance."
Asked whether he's in touch with Iraq's interim leaders, he replies: "He is not in touch, they are in touch with him. Everyone in Iraq, all the leaders in Iraq, they kept on phoning the hospital he was in."
It was Mr Sistani's mediation that secured the earlier ceasefire between Mr Sadr's Mahdi militia and US forces when the radical cleric led a Shia rebellion across Iraq earlier this year.
He was also a voice for tolerance after the wave of bomb attacks on Christian churches in Baghdad and Mosul earlier this month, describing them as "hideous crimes" that undermined "Iraq's unity, stability and independence".
Despite his interventions, Mr Sistani refuses to meet American and British officials and appears committed to the Shia tradition of "quietist" clerics who do not seek personal political power.
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=6417
Posted by: War Dog at August 21, 2004 11:55 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/weekinreview/22bara.html
Posted by: War Dog at August 21, 2004 11:55 PM
Is this the War Dog Thread?
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:00 AM
I think so mel!
Look at this.. these guys are good War Dogs!..
Pakistan Arrests Up to 10 Al Qaeda Suspects
2 hours, 25 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Zeeshan Haider
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan has arrested up to 10 al Qaeda suspects, including two Egyptians, suspected of planning suicide attacks against the government and the U.S. embassy, ministers said Saturday.
Reuters Photo
Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said the targets included the presidency, the military residence of President Pervez Musharraf, the U.S. embassy, the office of the chief minister of Punjab province, and the national convention center.
The targets are all in the capital Islamabad, or its adjoining city Rawalpindi.
Ahmed said up to six people had been arrested over a period of about a week before the planned attacks on Aug. 13, the eve of Pakistani Independence Day. He said the group were found with rockets, grenades, rifles and explosives.
Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat told Reuters "eight to 10" people were being held and the two Egyptians, Qari Ismail and Sheikh Essa, were suspected of being "key elements" of the group.
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:01 AM
LOVE LOVE LOVE
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:01 AM
Wardog,
SAme ole, same ole.
You posted those same posts this AM!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:03 AM
Iraqi Soccer Players Slam 'Criminal' Bush
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3378141
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:03 AM
Fishy...
Sounds like....
I am the god of hell fire...and I give you..../
FIRE!/
Nice parody piece.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:03 AM
Mel... you missed my music.
Lucky you.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:04 AM
Fishgrease hero
Drudge zero
Iraqi Soccer Players Slam 'Criminal' Bush
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3378141
Unwilling participants
Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/olympics/2004/writers/08/19/iraq/
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:04 AM
Mel...
http://www.fishmanifesto.com/Now%20Youre%20a%20Man.wma
http://www.fishmanifesto.com/TrogRant.mp3
Yer luck ran out.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:05 AM
So that's when we get a new thread.
When Fishgrease says he wants to nail Norah Jones... *smack* ... new thread.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:07 AM
From National Geographic Magazine Octiober 1958
Iraq: Where Oil and Water Mix
For thousands of years men have known that oil existed at Kirkuk, but 1927 ushered in the first well-an 80,000-barrel-a-day gusher. In 1958, with only 75 active wells, Irag ranked as the world's eighth biggest oil producer. Its known reserves, 25 billion barrels, constitute a tenth of the earth's inventoried store. Some Arab Mationalists insist that Iraqi oil belongs to the whole Arab world.
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 12:07 AM
I've heard that Man song from Southpark Fishgrease and I'm a huge Tom Waits fan.
What's going on in the Iraqi theater?
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:08 AM
L@L! yes on DRAGPIPE too!
awesome!
i'd have never heard of them. i love your taste in music!!
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:08 AM
~~~ What's going on in the Iraqi theater? ~~~
Well, a C-130 is was pounding the Old City in Najaf again before daylight (their time) so I thought maybe Allawi had grown a pair. Nothing really... lotta confusion... so, same old same old.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:10 AM
Besieged Al-Sadr keeps grip on shrine
Iraqi government claims that police had arrested hundreds of the radical cleric's fighters and taken over his headquarters in Najaf could have come from Saddam's Comical Ali, reports Luke Harding
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1288385,00.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:12 AM
Oh that Trog Rant song is you on vocals. Nice. I like the guitar too. You should try to get a deal.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:13 AM
Al Sadr... the Energizer Bunny of embarrasing Allawi.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:13 AM
AAR protesters protest being called RagBag!
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New York braced for protests at Republican rally
ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON
NEW Yorkers, the city’s police department and the FBI, are preparing for a week of massive disruption and possibly violent protests when the Republican party gathers in the Big Apple for its convention at the end of the month.
A ragbag collection of up to 250,000 anti-war, anti-Bush, pro-choice, pro-environment, anti-capitalism and anarchist protesters are expected to converge on the city.
They will collectively participate in the biggest protests at a convention since the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago was overshadowed by violent anti-Vietnam protests.
They dominated news coverage of the convention and helped ensure Richard Nixon was elected to the White House that year.
This year’s protests have the potential to be the largest since the so-called ‘Battle of Seattle’ in 1999. Memories of the 1968 violence in Chicago worry some liberal activists, who fear that a repeat could jeopardise John Kerry’s chances of unseating President George Bush.
"There’s an important message to get out here about how the Bush presidency has been bad for America and bad for New York," said Democratic national committee spokesman Jay Carson. "It would be a shame if that message was drowned out by unruly protests."
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=979822004
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:14 AM
hi mel!
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Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 12:07 AM
well whattaya gonna do lucy furr?! greedy is as greedy does i guess...(i have no idea what i just said but i'm glad to see you...hi LUCY FURR!!
:)
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FISHIE! i'm still waiting for your song to load...my connection is 28.8 or less most of the time...your thingie is loading slower than the songs L@L sent to me...must be big huh?
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:15 AM
Shell: The davinci code was written as a "thinking person's" book. One could read it as a piece of fluff and simply enjoy the yarn. But they would lose a lot of a well-researched and -tied-together historically-based piece of fiction. The author was meticulous in his background research as well as the narrative.
As I consider myself one notch above "idiot" in most things, I find it infuriating when I don't "get" a reference or historical notation in a book or story. It's a fault but it's served me well. Literally, I read 2-to-3 hours of background from the internet for every hour I read of the book. "My Pet Goat," it ain't!
And besides...now I "get" how "Simon Templar" (the Saint) got his name.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:16 AM
WAR DOG
what's your faith anywayz?
are you religious? or what?
what are you all about in that regard?
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:17 AM
Some Pictures from Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gall/0,8542,1281744,00.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:19 AM
Neo con republicans are schizophrenic.
They are big war mongerers (who refuse to personally go to war)
and then they tear into and smera a real war hero like John Kerry.
I am picking up mixed messages here form the FLIP FLOPPING neocons.
Posted by: war is raw at August 22, 2004 12:19 AM
A ragbag collection of up to 250,000 ...
... will collectively participate in the biggest protests at a convention since the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago was overshadowed by violent anti-Vietnam protests.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:19 AM
~~~ Oh that Trog Rant song is you on vocals. Nice. I like the guitar too. You should try to get a deal. ~~~
I got a deal on a motherboard last week.
Pretty bad fucking deal.
Seriously, the guitar ain't me but I'm sure you read that. I did some tricks whilst recording and afterwards to get that effect on my voice. You might be right, though. There's always room in American Music for yet another horrible singer.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:19 AM
L@L! yes on DRAGPIPE too!
awesome!
i'd have never heard of them. i love your taste in music!!
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:08 AM
I'm so...I'm so......simple minded/
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Life is a fucking cruise!/
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:21 AM
Hey Alice! How are the Cheshire cats?
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
~~~ your thingie is loading slower than the songs L@L sent to me...must be big huh? ~~~
Don't tell LAL my thingie is bigger than his. I wouldn't want to have to prove sopmething like that.
The Tom Waits file is huge... but worth it. The other two are fairly small, actually.
TrogRant is pretty small.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
The Kerry smear is a smear on ALL soldiers now in Iraq.
Why do the neocons hate American soldiers in Iraq and like John Kerry so much. And they are FOR the war. You need soldiers FOR the war you retards. You don't smear your poor soldiers who fight a rich mans war.
Idiots.
Posted by: war is raw at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
how bout the church of the almighty dollar
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fish that voice was cool!
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I thought it would never end!
Posted by: War Dog at August 21, 2004 11:29 PM
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hahaha! ya those indian guys do drone on...but it's all very regimented actually, the pacing, all the counting they do
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well alice, why aren't the emails getting to you...i'll try again, but what is the deal? hmm..
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You owe me (and you) a shot of tequilia!
(before which we will have stepped outside with the now infamous "brassie"!) *snark*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 21, 2004 09:42 PM
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that is officially a plan
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
Posted by: nonentity at August 22, 2004 12:23 AM
Middle East
Iran: The babble and the bomb
By Ehsan Ahrari
Western experts have made an art of frightening and wrong predictions about some major issues involving the Muslim and Arab world. The uninitiated should spend some time reading reckless analyses related to the Arab "petro-power" of the 1970s. According to some of those analyses, Arabs should have owned major chunks of the US and European productive sectors merely through purchases, or by investing the billions of dollars they made in that decade though the exercise of oil power. One wonders why Arabs don't own those assets.
Yet the same types of wrong-headed scenarios are being offered about a "nuclear" Iran, if it develops nuclear weapons. Let's be clear about one issue. Neither Iran nor North Korea should develop nuclear weapons. We already have too many nuclear powers on this small planet of ours, armed with enough nuclear weapons to blow it up many times over. But what if Iran does develop nuclear weapons? A number of facts and fictions about this issue should be well understood.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FH21Ak01.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:23 AM
And besides...now I "get" how "Simon Templar" (the Saint) got his name.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:16 AM
ok - simon templar is added to my list now...it never ends in this blog...TMI man!
Simon Templar
Simon Templar is a fictional character in a series of books by Leslie Charteris. He is also known as "The Saint" due to his initials. He sometimes uses the nom de guerre Sebastian Tombs and also calls himself by sundry other names, all with the initials S.T., such as Sullivan Titwillow and Sugarman Treacle - the Saint has a boyish sense of humour. He frequently leaves a 'calling card' at the scenes of his 'crimes', consisting of a stick drawing of a man with a halo.
Simon Templar started his career as a criminal, and burglary is often alluded to in the books. It is clear from the texts, however, that at the time of the books, all of his income derives from the pockets of the 'ungodly' (as he terms those who live by a less moral code than his own). There are several references to a 'ten percent collection fee' as he extracts large sums of money from his victims, the remainder being returned to its owners or given away. These unworthies include bent politicians, warmongers, indeed all the nastier forms of low life. "He claims he's a Robin Hood," bleats one of his victims, "but to me he's just a robbing hood."
i know what you mean l@l! with this bitchin internet it's too easy to stay awake for dayz learning new shit...my head explodes regularly here..
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:24 AM
What kind of Board did you get Fish?
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:25 AM
No Alice Religion is not my thing at all..
Raised Catholic, but went to public school..
At some point “the invisible man” deal just quit working for me..
I see religion as more of a problem than an answer..
But I wouldn’t fight with anyone over it..
That is why I asked Nic about it..
Not to disagree, just wanted to know!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:26 AM
~~~Allawi had grown a pair~~~
Not cut that out! *snort, snark, borf*
Allawi is issued a new set of balls every morning from Centcom G-4. They're cloned from from a cross between Perle & Wolfowitz. Bush & Chainman snicker at the irony that they're from Jewish neocons!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:27 AM
War beats economy as top US concern
By Eli Clifton
WASHINGTON - The war in Iraq and other foreign affairs are more important to voters in the coming presidential election than the economy, marking the first time since the Vietnam War era that US citizens are putting more weight on foreign policy than domestic concerns, according to a poll released on Wednesday.
Forty-one percent of voting-age adults rated "war, foreign policy and terrorism" the most important problems facing the United States, concluded the survey released by the Pew Research Center (PRC) in association with the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a Washington-based think-tank. Economic issues topped the concerns of 26% of respondents, while the same number chose "other domestic issues", the survey found.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FH21Aa01.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:27 AM
Actually, while I don't play the style of guitar on TrogRant... I'm capable of much more than that. Not that the stuff that guy did for me isn't damned good. I called him up and explained what I wanted with some "dum dum de dum dum" stuff and 3 hours later it was in my email.
I thought that was rather amazing.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:27 AM
..my head explodes regularly here..
Now who's gonna clean up them brain splats?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:30 AM
~~~your thingie is loading slower than the songs L@L sent to me...must be big huh?~~~
Shelly, darling......did you REALLY want to phase it quite that way?
*snarkity snark*
[cranker woulda had a field day!!!]
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:30 AM
Middle East
What do we call the enemy?
By Tom Engelhardt
Last week, through a front-page reconsideration of its Iraq reporting written by media columnist Howard Kurtz ("The Post on WMDs: An inside story"), the Washington Post finally hung out a piece or two of its dirty laundry. This comes three months after the New York Times buried its Iraq mea culpa on page 10 (and then its ombudsman Daniel Okrent did a far more forthcoming consideration of the same).
The fact is that while its editorial page was beating the drums for war, Post prewar reportage was in general marginally better than that of the Times. It had no obvious raging embarrassments like Times reporter Judith Miller's shameful pieces and, more recently, from Walter Pincus to Mike Allen to Dana Priest, it was on the beat of real Bush administration stories in Washington far sooner than its Times equivalents. Still, it has a good deal to apologize for ("from August 2002 through the March 19, 2003, launch of the war, the Post ran more than 140 front-page stories that focused heavily on administration rhetoric against Iraq. Some examples: 'Cheney says Iraqi strike is justified'; 'War cabinet argues for Iraq attack'; 'Bush tells United Nations it must stand up to Hussein or US will'; 'Bush cites urgent Iraqi threat'; 'Bush tells troops: Prepare for war'"), though you'll find no apologies here, certainly not for the front-paging of administration war propaganda and the nixing or burying of what prewar questioning its reporters did.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FH21Ak02.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:31 AM
~~~ What kind of Board did you get Fish? ~~~
Just needed a 333 board so I could put a XP 2600+ I had laying around in my kid's machine so I ordered a MSI board online. They sent me a used board! Nothing on their site about it being used, either! It was all banged up... swelled up capacitors... crap. I sent it back and ordered a Soyo Dragon Ultra direct from Soyo.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:31 AM
South Asia
Pakistan serves the US heads, not tales
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
KARACHI - Tiring of the carrot and stick approach, and with US presidential elections only a few months away, the US has taken an aggressive role in Pakistan in the hunt for "big-name" al-Qaeda figures.
Yet the Pakistanis, although appearing to accommodate their "most trusted" American allies in the "war on terror", remain obdurate.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FH20Df04.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:33 AM
this guy builds buildings and orchestral works
the blueprints are the sheet music...it's all math
i'm serious, this stuff has been around for awhile
http://www.furious.com/perfect/xenakis.html
The 1950's marked an extraordinary era of music experimentation and development in the current of emerging European composers. Amongst these, Iannis Xenakis would begin to compose his first mature works. He would reject the avant-garde trend of serialism and build his own aesthetic principles founded in the world of abstract mathematics, which, amongst other things, applied a unique philosophy of 'chance' to music. The style of music which arose from these principles he labeled 'stochastic music,' and the first two works which arose in this style, "Metastaseis" and "Pithoprakta," set the foundation of his aesthetic principles that he would go on to develop and experiment with for the rest of his musical career.
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:35 AM
Here we are, Saturday night again and time for the Bush controlled media to surreptitiously leak real news (read truth) that shows Bushco in its real light. Like his sneaky "appointments" made when Congress' backs are turned and we presumably on crepuscular weekends oblivious to any of their evil-doings.
This time final word (or what certainly should be) from a Kerry comrade-in-arms who truly WAS there and broke his silence of 35 years.
PITTSBURGH (Reuters) - A journalist who commanded a boat alongside John Kerry in Vietnam broke a 35-year silence on Saturday and defended the Democratic presidential candidate against Republican critics of his military service and integrity.
William Rood of the Chicago Tribune said the tales told by Kerry's detractors are simply untrue.
"There were three swift boats on the river that day in Vietnam more than 35 years ago -- three officers and 15 crew members. Only two of those officers remain to talk about what happened on February 28, 1969," he wrote in a story on the newspaper's Web site.
"One is John Kerry ... who won a Silver Star for what happened on that date. I am the other."
Before now, Rood refused all interviews, wanting to put memories of war and killing behind him.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=6036326
Here are the Saudi Royal Prince's trying to keep their promise to the royal asshole Bushes in keeping down the price of oil so the "slow one" can get elected.
Associated Press
Update 17: Oil Prices Back Off $50-A-Barrel Mark
08.20.2004, 04:00 PM
Recent attempts by Saudi Arabia to halt the ascent of oil prices have failed.
The Saudis said earlier this month they were willing to put on the market an additional 1.3 million barrels per day, virtually all of their extra available production. But that only highlighted just how slim the margin for error is these days, with daily global consumption around 83 million barrels a day right now.
On London's International Petroleum Exchange, Brent crude futures for October deliv
Posted by: Dutch Masters at August 22, 2004 12:35 AM
"We must become the owners, or at any rate the controllers at the source , of at least a proportion of the oil we require"
British commission, agreeing with Winston Churchill's policy toward's Iraq, 1913.
"What we want to have in existence, what we ought to have been creating in this time is some administration with Arab institutions which we can safely leave while pulling the strings ourselves; something that won't cost very much, which the Labour government can swallow consistent with its' principles, but under which our ecnomic and political interests will be secure. {.....} If the French remain in Syria we shall have to avoid giving them the excuse of setting up a protectorate. If they go, or if we appear to be reactionary in Mesoptamia, there is always the risk that {King} Faisel will incourage Americans to take over both, and it should be borne in mind that the Standard oil Company is very anxious to take over Iraq".
Sir Arthur Hirtzel, Head of the British Government's 'India Office Political Department.' 1919
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 12:37 AM
~~~Don't tell LAL my thingie is bigger than his. I wouldn't want to have to prove sopmething like that.~~~
Bah.....
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:42 AM
Voters rush past Keyes, favor Obama
Democrat even finds fans among conservatives
By Bob Secter
Published August 21, 2004
The nation's first Senate contest featuring two major party African-American candidates is beginning in lopsided fashion, with nearly two-thirds of voters indicating support for Democrat Barack Obama and less than one-quarter backing Keyes, according to a new Tribune/WGN-TV poll.
The poll suggests that Keyes' candidacy could hurt other Republicans in local and legislative races. Nearly three in ten voters said they were less likely to back GOP candidates because of the way party leaders went about settling on Keyes as their candidate, though 59 percent said it would make no difference.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-040820senate,1,2768892.story?coll=chi-news-hed
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:43 AM
H--e--l--l--o A--l--i--c--e
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 12:44 AM
Fish,
That sucks about the used Motherboard. They really oughta tell people if it's used up front.
hope the new one is a good one.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:44 AM
here...this guy invented lots of instruments
alot of the 'try the instruments' section isn't working, but its worth it just for the ones that work
plus all the samples work
About the Instruments
By 1969, the year he recorded "Delusion of the Fury," Harry Partch had designed 27 new instruments, all to be played on stage at the same time in a spatial ritual theater. These instruments were made to be beautiful in sound, vision, and "magical purpose." They were tuned according to the natural overtone series, "Just Intonation" Some, like the Chromelodeon, had as many as 43 tones in a single "octave." He made particular instruments for specific needs in his compositions, not the other way around. But, more than this, he designed the instruments to be "corporeal." To Partch, corporeal meant to involve the whole body, the whole person in the art.
Play the Virtual Harry Partch Instruments
Below you can play the Partch instruments, listen to Partch explain each instrument, and hear musical examples.
http://musicmavericks.publicradio.org/features/feature_partch.html
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:45 AM
Posted by: nonentity at August 22, 2004 12:45 AM
Does anyone happen to know if/where "The Kyle Jason Show" is available (delayed and streamed)now?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:46 AM
Mel,
~~~ hope the new one is a good one. ~~~
Got here this afternoon. Unopened retail box. Perfect. The other one was my fault for picking the first one I found on www.pricewatch.com and ordering it. Some of those outfits are pretty shady.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:47 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/pics/3153.jpg
This will the next the big deal after Sadr get out of the shrine..
The cemetery is going to be a gravel pit..!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:47 AM
Registered voters under 30 say they prefer the Democratic candidate to George W. Bush by 50 percent to 41 percent, reflecting a smaller-than-expected 2 point gain for Kerry from the poll’s July results. Independent candidate Ralph Nader draws 5 percent of the youth vote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5773553/site/newsweek/?site=newsweek
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:47 AM
Posted by Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:21 AM
i love Simple Minds!!
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Hey Alice! How are the Cheshire cats?
Posted by Mel at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
honestly mel. horners syndrome is making Wendell seem like he has a brain tumor…he eats, plays and acts mostly normal…but seems weak, slow and confused to me…I’m still learning stuff about horners, but I think he may have something more than that…(glad you asked huh?)
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Don't tell LAL my thingie is bigger than his. I wouldn't want to have to prove sopmething like that.
TrogRant is pretty small.
Posted by Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:22 AM
After being anti bj where can you really go from there eh fishie? (hahaha?) ok, i'll try the file again.
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But I wouldn’t fight with anyone over it..Not to disagree, just wanted to know!
Posted by War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:26 AM
admiral quality imo war dog…can never hurt to listen right? doesn't mean you HAVE to change your own opinion right?
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Now who's gonna clean up them brain splats?
Posted by at August 22, 2004 12:30 AM
Let cleanie do it… {from Family Guy)
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Posted by Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:30 AM
snark snark…you're so silly with that...
:)
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http://www.beyondindigo.com/ <========== digging on this thanks
hi lucy love!!
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:48 AM
He would reject the avant-garde trend of serialism and build his own aesthetic principles founded in the world of abstract mathematics, which, amongst other things, applied a unique philosophy of 'chance' to music.
seriously dada i cannot keep up with all this stuff now...i think i need to rent a second brain or something...
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:50 AM
The cemetery is going to be a gravel pit..!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:47 AM
How can you be so fucking happy about americans ruining some other country
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:51 AM
http://www.beyondweird.com/
Posted by: nonentity at August 22, 2004 12:45 AM
TOTALLY rad non entity! cool!
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:55 AM
~~~ How can you be so fucking happy about americans ruining some other country ~~~
Not defending Dog when he can certainly defend himself... but I didn't take it as him being happy about anything. I think he realizes what will happen when the damage done to that cemetary comes to light.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 12:56 AM
Where in Washington, D.C. is Sun Myung Moon?
http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/07/frontline-producers-new-blog.html
The Resurrection Of Reverend Moon
This is a transcript of a January 21, 1992 broadcast, "Frontline: The Ressurection Of Reverend Moon." Eric Nadler, reporter. Written and produced by Rory O'Connor. Copyright (c)1991 WGBH Educational Foundation. Used with permission.
http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:57 AM
Alice,
Sorry about Wendell. Atleast he plays and eats. It's when they stop doing stuff that it's really bad. Give him a kiss on his noggin from me.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:58 AM
http://www.beyondindigo.com/articles/article.php/artID/220147
i'm glad i'm not pissed at my brother for killing himself...it's still bullshit and he missed a lot by doing it...but i'm just glad i'm not mad at him for doing it anymore...
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:58 AM
The cemetery is going to be a gravel pit..!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 12:47 AM
i hope al queda doesn't get any recruits out of that one...
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:59 AM
Posted by: nonentity at August 22, 2004 12:59 AM
Is it just me... or are some Iraqi children just too beautiful for words?
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:00 AM
love
love
love
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:00 AM
Give him a kiss on his noggin from me.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 12:58 AM
you're such a sweetie mel!!
wendell says cool daddy-o!
well...dinner somehow appeared just now in front of me thank god, like a miracle...so i'll see you later on ok? time for munchies...
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:01 AM
The Fear Factor
A Congressman claims the Bush administration scared people away from the convention in Boston and the stadiums in Athens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5762318/site/newsweek/
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 01:02 AM
Bright Eyes
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:02 AM
If you had Nic I would talk to you about it..
Not I am not big No nic fan ..
Who would you like us to believe you are today?
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 01:03 AM
So I watched that show that JG recommended on BBCA called Trailer Park Boys. It was alright. Wasn't laugh out loud funny. No where near as funny as D Ali G show that Sam was talking about. I'll try it again next week and see if it grows on me.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 01:03 AM
" If they turn on the radars were going to blow up their goddamn Sams (surface to air missles). They know we own their country. We own their airspace... We dictate the way they live and talk. And that's what's great about America It's a good thing, especially when there's a lot of oil out there we need."
U.S. Brig. General William Looney
Wahington Post Interview (referring to Iraqi Civilian deaths}
August, 30, 1999
Yep that really is his name.
And it fits.
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 01:04 AM
love
love
love
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:00 AM
(see how smart no nics can be...?)
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fishie, maybe your song will start playing if i let it load without blogging whilst i eat dinner...i hope so cuz i wanna hear your voice..
:) (your voice is on this right?...)
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:04 AM
seriously dada i cannot keep up with all this stuff now...i think i need to rent a second brain or something...
--here, try this...
turn off your mind relax and float downstream...
it is not dying, it is not dying
lay down all thoughts surrender to the void
it is shining, it is shining
that you may see the meaning of within
it is being, it is being
that love is all that love is ev'ryone
it is knowing, it is knowing
that ignorance and hate may mourn the dead
it is believing, it is believing
but listen to the color of your dream
it is not living, it is not living
or play the game "existence" till the end
of the beginning, of the beginning
of the beginning...
---Tomorrow Never Knows
the beatles
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:05 AM
OK gang, my foot is starting to throb like a bitch.
That's my call to the ice bags & meds!
At least I can wiggle my toes! *snark*
G'nite all!
L@L
*a soft crash*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 01:07 AM
~~~ your voice is on this right?...) ~~~
On TrogRant... yes.
Do you like seeing automobile accidents?
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:08 AM
*a soft crash*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 01:07 AM
sweetest dreams l@l! thanks again for those groovy songs...
take care a those wiggly toes til next time k?
****** S N A R K ******
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:09 AM
~seriously dada i cannot keep up with all this stuff now...i think i need to rent a second brain or something...~
they'll be cloning those soon.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:10 AM
Nite LAL!
My big thingie says G'Nite!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:10 AM
they'll be cloning those soon.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:10 AM
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when they tell us, they will already have been doing it for twenty years
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:12 AM
when they tell us, they will already have been doing it for twenty years
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:12 AM
i figured they'd already grown a human when i first heard about Dolly.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:17 AM
I decided I'm a gonna watch Dead Man with Gary Farmer and Johnny Depp tonight. I bought the DVD last year.
I reversed the usual billing because Farmer really shines in this movie as "Nobody".
The music is all pretty much Neil Young on a Strat. He did the whole film soundtrack by watching it as he played and recorded himself.
Altogether, a masterful movie. Its what I watch when I get the urge to film something myself... just so I can remember what is possible.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:17 AM
gnite liberal
that foot better get better soon, we need it
for kicking neo-con ass!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:18 AM
http://lii.org/search/911
Posted by: nonentity at August 22, 2004 12:59 AM
cool! I lost that bookmark when I deleted all my bookmarks…aren’t librarians cool? I think so anyway.
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when they tell us, they will already have been doing it for twenty years
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:12 AM
surprised by that or what? how will you change that policy if your were in charge?
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i figured they'd already grown a human when i first heard about Dolly.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:17 AM
…hmm…good point…I hadn’t thought of that…
but i figure that T.H.E.Y. all suk anyway…that’s no surprise i guess huh…
:)
(i eat dinner too fast i think)
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:23 AM
SKULL AND BONES: GEORGE BUSH AND JOHN KERRY
WATCH THE VIDEO
http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/kerry_bush_sb.htm
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:23 AM
dada...have you sent me a song yet or what?
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:24 AM
//Does anyone happen to know if/where "The Kyle Jason Show" is available (delayed and streamed)now?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:46 AM//
Try the KPOJ stream as its 3 hrs later, there is a link for it at http://www.alfrankenweb.com
Because of copyrights on full music songs you may have a problem finding a archive of it. That is the only AAR show that airamericaplace.com doesn't archive.
bigelow springs has a aar archive but I haven't checked theirs out.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:25 AM
Iraq Soccer Team is on NBC now
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:26 AM
that sounds like a great one fish
and neil young is always good stuff
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i saw a documentary of crazy horse that jim jarmusch directed
there's nothing like that crazy horse sound
reminds me of another good one, the movie of "the band" by martin scorcese
but those are both rock n roll documentarys...
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:26 AM
The Iraq Soccer Team was on NBC for a little bit. I'm not sure if they were on earlier tonight.
Post if you know.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:27 AM
Alexandra Robbins, author of Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power, said George W was "a somewhat ambivalent" Bonesman.
She said: "New members of Skull and Bones are assigned secret names, by which fellow Bonesmen will forever know them. George W was not assigned a name but invited to choose one. According to one report, nothing came to mind, so he was given the name Temporary, which, it is said, he never bothered to replace."
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:29 AM
dada use shelly instead maybe that'll help.
Posted by Alice at August 22, 2004 12:32 AM
plus the file needs to be smaller than 20mb
Posted by Alice at August 22, 2004 12:34 AM
i think i missed you on the last thread dada...
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and you don't mean Crazy Horse the american indian do you?
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:30 AM
Percussion - Metal, glass, bells
Gourd Tree with Cone Gongs (1964)
Play instrument (272k)
Music clip
Partch explains
cool clip!
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:30 AM
dada use shelly instead maybe that'll help.
ok i'll try different address? i guess
i just sent another one...
crazy horse the guy was super cool
but i meant the neil young band...what a sound they would make!
ya that harry partch is something
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:35 AM
Fishgrease do you have a link for the movie Dead Man? Who directed it?
//i saw a documentary of crazy horse that jim jarmusch directed
there's nothing like that crazy horse sound
reminds me of another good one, the movie of "the band" by martin scorcese
but those are both rock n roll documentarys...
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:26 AM//
Do you know the name of the 'Crazy Horse & Neil Young' documentary?
The Martin Scorsese one is called 'The Last Waltz' as it's the last time The Band played together.
Out in theaters now is the newly produced & edited but filmed in 1970 documentary called 'Festival Express' about a cross Canada train trip & concert tour by The Band, The Greatful Dead, Janis Joplin a few months before she died, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Buddy Guy and others. - rated 3 groovy stars
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:36 AM
ick! neil young...blah...
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:37 AM
Crazy Horse is Neil Young's band and Jim Jarmusch directed Dead Man as well. Great movie.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 01:38 AM
ok i sent it to two of the four addresses i have for you alice
i guess if that doesn't work i'll send it to the two others...
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:40 AM
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:29 AM
Election shows where Bones are buried
The Scotsman
02/09/2004
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:41 AM
Dada...
You especially, have got to see Dead Man. The Music is pervasive. The movie is in Black & White and it fits like a glove.
Lots of superb bit parts by (too many to name them all) the likes of IGGY POP, BILLY BOB THORNTON, GABRIEL BYRNE, ROBERT MITCHUM, LANCE HENRIKSEN and MICHAEL WINCOTT. And, of course... its written and directed by Jim Jarmusch.
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead8.jpg
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead7.jpg
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead5.jpg
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead1.jpg
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead4.jpg
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/dead9.jpg
Buncha audio and video here...
http://www.nytrash.com/deadman/deaddown.html
including some of the guitar...
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:42 AM
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Agency/6393/michael2.htm
Date of Birth: June 4, 1967
Age:32
Height: 6'2
Place of Birth: Qu'Appelle Valley, Saskatchewan
Tribe: Full-Blooded Cree (Cree Nation)
His father is from the Muskeg Lake Cree Nation and his
mother is from the Sweetgrass Cree Nation
Marital Status: Married
(His wife's name is Nancy Leroszewski)
she is a Polish/American dancer
who performes with the Cleveland Ballet
Facts about Michael Greyeyes
Michael joined the National Ballet School
in Toronto, Canada
as a Corps De Ballet Member
at the age of 10.
He was the first Canadian Native boy
to be accepted there.
From 1990-1993 he worked at Feld Ballets
in New York City as a soloist.
Michael is allergic to animals.
He likes to ride go bicycling with his wife.
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i don't know if i'm the only girl here or what but here's my other imaginary boyfriend...fake crazy horse or really crazy horse...
sweet either way imo...i did a report on Geronimo in the 6th grade...he's rad too...
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:45 AM
ok i sent it to two of the four addresses i have for you alice
i guess if that doesn't work i'll send it to the two others...
Posted by dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:40 AM
groove out dada...if it doesn't get here this time....i'll call it fate k.....
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 01:47 AM
Crazy Horse has his own huge statue in the dakotas. I'm sure there is a photo of it on the net somewhere.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:50 AM
Many have suspected that Skull and Bones is a recruiting agency for the intelligence community. In WWII, the Whiffenpoof song became the unofficial song of the OSS, which was full of bonesmen and members of other Yale clubs. Gaddis Smith, a history professor at Yale, has said, "Yale has influenced the Central Intelligence Agency more than any other university, giving the CIA the atmosphere of a class reunion."
http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/pennvalley/biology/lewis/crosby/whiffenpoof.html
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surprised by that or what? how will you change that policy if your were in charge?
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not to scare you, but
i am in charge
and really
no one is in charge
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:52 AM
Year of the Horse is the Neil Young/Jarmusch film.
Dead Man And Ghost Dog are my favorite films by Jim Jarmusch. I met him twice. He came into my bookstore and I ran in to him at the Angelika theater.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 01:53 AM
it's called
"year of the horse"
directed by jim jarmusch
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:54 AM
ghost dog
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:55 AM
Mel!
~~~ Ghost Dog ~~~
UNBELIEVABLY SWEET! What a wonderful movie!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:56 AM
mel you got good taste
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:56 AM
Forest Whittaker is cool.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 01:58 AM
uh oh, fridays majority report still isn't posted on air america place it should be up at:
http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=7
I wonder if something is wrong with their recording or not recording of it yesterday?
I missed it so I hope they didn't miss it too.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:00 AM
remember libertarians are just closet republicans.
Posted by: jak at August 22, 2004 02:03 AM
i am in charge
and really
no one is in charge
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:52 AM
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remember that scene in apocalypse now?
they're at the bridge, looks like a horrorshow with carnival lights, martin sheen asks this cat,
"do you know who's in charge here?"
everythings quiet except for the guy in the distance yelling "fuck you GI! fuck you!"
the cat calmly shuts up the yeller with the grenade launcher...
turns to sheen and says "yeah", and walks away
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:03 AM
Forest Whittaker is perfect... that's what he is. Jarmusch writes and casts his movies so well that I'll bet they practically film themselves. He's one of my very few real heros.
But, he's also a constant reminder that I'll never be as good as he is at making films... at anything.
Makes me sick sometimes.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:03 AM
Anyone know the link for the Ron Reagan article in GQ on 'The Case Against George Bush' ?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:03 AM
Why was Oprah summoned for jury duty?
(1) The Prosecutor has political ambitions
(2) She wanted to perform her civic duties
(3) She wanted to set an example for others.
OR COULD IT BE
(4) Being on the cover of every issue of O is is not enough publicity
(5) Being on TV everyday is not enough publicity.
(6) Studman needs more clients for business
(7) Wants to sell her latest diet plan.
(8) Wants to makover the judiciary.
(9) Needs new material for her show.
(10) She is a Narcisstic mule
(11) All of the above
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:04 AM
Forest Whittaker would like to forget about the big bomb scientology movie he did with John Travolta. Good thing he had a costume on in that one so he is almost unrecognized.
Battlefield Earth Ha Ha Ha Ha, what a joke it was so so bad
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:08 AM
Posted by dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:52 AM
Honestly, neither one of those things scare me silly...
you...no one...what - EVER!
:)
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fishie an issue i'm having since my pc crashed is yahoo messenger, with slip stream accelerator, with zone alarm. i think that's why your song isn't playing...gimme a sec and i'll work it out...i'm still working out stuff..
could be why dadas music isn't here too, but not likely since i've received other attachments...
well...whatev i'll keep messing with it all until it works..
i better go and get some stuff done...see you two later...
(cripes, the blog cleared out quick it seems)
XOXO
Shell
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:08 AM
Did War Dog Leave? I hope so.
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:09 AM
"We've got a great leader in Prime Minister Allawi. He's a tough guy who believes in free societies. And more and more Iraqis are being trained. And more and more Iraqis are stepping up to do the hard work of bringing these terrorists, these former Ba'athist and some foreign fighters to justice. And that's why we are going to prevail."
-- George W. Bush
Is he stupid or does he think we are? Okay, the only former Ba'athist I know of is Allawi himself. Najaf if fully Shiite territory... abolutely Shiite territory... THE Shiite territory and there have been no Ba'athists there since two days after our invasion. Also, there are few or no foreign fighters there. Bush is trying to hide the fact that he has declared war on the Shiite religion.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:10 AM
apocalypse now
i seriously need to see that movie someday...
and
HI LUCY FURR...i'm outta here for a bit...missed you by that much....
xox
alice
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:10 AM
'Year of the Horse' - 3.5 stars out of 5
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:10 AM
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:04 AM
doncha just get called for jury dooty when some machine picks your name or something? that's what i've always thought...but who knows...could be one, none, or all of the above lucy furr...
ya got me there
:)
good night.
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:13 AM
"We've got a great leader in Prime Minister Allawi. He's a tough guy who believes in free societies. And more and more Iraqis are being trained. And more and more Iraqis are stepping up to do the hard work of bringing these terrorists, these former Ba'athist and some foreign fighters to justice. And that's why we are going to prevail."
-- Temporary
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:13 AM
Alice... you can always right click on this link and do a "save as"
http://www.fishmanifesto.com/TrogRant.mp3
But I need to tell you that... seriously... you're not missing much.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:13 AM
Crazy Horse has his own huge statue in the dakotas. I'm sure there is a photo of it on the net somewhere.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:50 AM
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interesting thing, that...
if it were up to crazy horse i'm sure he wouldn't destroy the mountain
but it is gigantic
makes rushmore look like a postagestamp
-
they say crazy horse would run into battle and bullets would bounce right off him
he was murdered when some of his own betrayed him
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:16 AM
//"We've got a great leader in Prime Minister Allawi. He's a tough guy who believes in free societies. And more and more Iraqis are being trained. And more and more Iraqis are stepping up to do the hard work of bringing these terrorists, these former Ba'athist and some foreign fighters to justice. And that's why we are going to prevail."
-- George W. Bush
Is he stupid or does he think we are? Okay, the only former Ba'athist I know of is Allawi himself. Najaf if fully Shiite territory... abolutely Shiite territory... THE Shiite territory and there have been no Ba'athists there since two days after our invasion. Also, there are few or no foreign fighters there. Bush is trying to hide the fact that he has declared war on the Shiite religion.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:10 AM//
I think Allawi was in exile outside of Iraq since the 1970's so he has little in common with most Iraqi's. In addition he is living in the secured green area by Negroponte & others that need to be cocooned away. He's a CIA thug.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:17 AM
But, he's also a constant reminder that I'll never be as good as he is at making films... at anything.
Makes me sick sometimes.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:03 AM
Well that's no way to worship someone. You have to aspire to be like him. Buddhist want to be like Buddha. Christians like Christ. Jim shouldn't be that difficult to emulate.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 02:18 AM
Here is a much better movie of Neil Young & Crazy Horse,
Rust Never Sleeps -
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
IMAGINE IF supporters of Bill Clinton had tried in 1996 to besmirch the military record of his opponent, Bob Dole. After all, Dole was given a Purple Heart for a leg scratch probably caused, according to one biographer, when a hand grenade thrown by one of his own men bounced off a tree. And while the serious injuries Dole sustained later surely came from German fire, did the episode demonstrate heroism on Dole's part or a reckless move that ended up killing his radioman and endangering the sergeant who dragged Dole off the field?
The truth, according to many accounts, is that Dole fought with exceptional bravery and deserves the nation's gratitude. No one in 1996 questioned that record. Any such attack on behalf of Clinton, an admitted Vietnam draft dodger, would have been preposterous.
Yet amazingly, something quite similar is happening today as supporters of President Bush attack the Vietnam record of Senator John Kerry.
read article here
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2004/08/22/big_lies_for_bush?mode=PF
Posted by: bush hates america at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
Memorable Quotes from Dr. Strangelove:
Major George W. "King" Kong-Bush : Goldie, how many times have I told you guys that I don't want no pretzels on the airplane?
Well, boys, I reckon this is it - media combat toe to toe with the liberals...
Now look, boys, I ain't much of a hand at makin' speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin' somewhere. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin'.
Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human bein's if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelin's about Halliburton, Enron, or the fact I flunked my physical.
I want you to remember one thing, my folks back home is a-countin' on you and by golly, we ain't about to let 'em down.
If this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I'll be in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing's over with.
Now let's get this thing on the hump - we got some flyin' to do.
Posted by: the Society for the preservation of Radical Poets and Toothless Bohemians at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
Here is a much better movie of Neil Young & Crazy Horse,
Rust Never Sleeps, 4.5 stars out of 5
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
The big bomb Whitaker did with Travolta was called Phenomenon. I didn't think it was so bad. However, my friend and I slept through some of it.
Since You are talking about actors, may I ask you a guestion about a legendary actress?
Do you think Marilyn Monroe could act?
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
That's how they get you. The get your best friend to betray you.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 02:22 AM
Do you think Marilyn Monroe could act?
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:21 AM
i'm sure she faked it once or twice.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:26 AM
~~~ Well that's no way to worship someone. You have to aspire to be like him. Buddhist want to be like Buddha. Christians like Christ. Jim shouldn't be that difficult to emulate. ~~~
I don't worship anyone or anything. But as far as achieving Jarmusch's pure level of competence... well...
"A man has got to know his limitations."
-- Dirty Harry
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:27 AM
thanks fish, i always forget about save as...it's actually downloading now...
:)
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crazy horse was fucked over royally from what i've read and what not...what else is new...?
"The white man ain't left me nothing out there but the under world, and that is where i dance, where do you dance?"
B.A.D.
k seriously...bye now...takes like three tries to get out of here eh?
:)
xox
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:27 AM
Can't wait for the answer on Marilyn. I gotta go.
Nite Nite All
Posted by: Lucy Furr at August 22, 2004 02:27 AM
~~~ That's how they get you. The get your best friend to betray you. ~~~
Either that or they tell you that there's WMDs so they have to replace your carburetor.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:29 AM
Another Great Neil Young Film - Red Rocks Live - 4.5 stars out of 5
Recorded live at Red Rocks Ampitheatre in Morrison, Colorodo on September 19-20, 2000. Songs include: Motorcycle Mama, Powderfinger, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, I Believe In You, Unknown Legend, Fool For Your Love, Buffalo Springfield Again, Razor Love, Daddy Went Walkin', Peace Of Mind, Walk On, Winterlong, Bad Fog of Loneliness, Words, Harvest Moon, World On A String, Tonight's The Night, Cowgirl In The Sand, Mellow My Mind.
Worth it for Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Words, Harvest Moon, Tonights The Night and the timeless masterpiece of Cowgirl In The Sand
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:30 AM
Another great Neil Young DVD is Silver & Gold from his 1999 Acoustic Tour - 4.5 stars of 5
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:37 AM
"Rust Never Sleeps"
Neil Young's 1978 concert tour, documented in this acclaimed two-hour film that was directed by Young himself (using the pseudonym Bernard Shakey), is a treat for the singer-songwriter's fans. The concept of the show is high (for Young, anyway), if rather odd: roadies (here called "Road Eyes") decked out like the Tusken Raiders from Star Wars, stage announcements from the original Woodstock during set changes, and giant amps, microphones, and so on for an "Incredible Shrinking Man" effect.
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ah, its all the fault of those funny mountain mushrooms
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:38 AM
I'm actually more partial to Tecumseh. A profit AND a great warrior.
I wrote this short story ages ago where this guy doing research into Sonoluminescence
http://www-phys.llnl.gov/N_Div/sonolum/
Causes a dimensional rift and ends up in an alternate reality and somehow plucks Tecumseh from the battle wherein he was killed... before he was killed. So this researcher and Tecumseh are in this strange land and they meet this gatekeeper who asks a riddle... not knowing that Tecumseh is a Native American and that to some of them, riddles were a rather blatant insult... so Tecumseh pulls his knife and just guts the gatekeeper alive... after which the researcher pulls out his notebook and writes,
"Tecumseh does not like riddles... must remember"
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:40 AM
"A man has got to know his limitations."
-- Dirty Harry
Posted by Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:27 AM
fishie...heard your ditty..the music is great and the voice sounds like a new sesame street character...(what's a trog anyhow?)
:)
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hey say hi to 13ben from me if he comes around...
i'll do it myself...
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H I 1 3 B e n !
I found out what my decoded birthday is today and my husbands too...WAY COOL STUFF...thanx again for the leads...
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dada i have a huge surprise for you if your song ever gets to me...
l8r
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:41 AM
~~~ what's a trog anyhow? ~~~
In that particular usage... I don't have many secrets here, but that will stay one of them.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:43 AM
cool beans fish...seeecrets....(like conan)
nightie nite fish and say hi to dar if she comes around here ok?
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:45 AM
Will do... (say HI to Darlene for you)
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:46 AM
Sonoluminescence: an Introduction
About the LLNL sonoluminescence experiment
What is sonoluminescence?
Sonoluminescence is the emission of light by bubbles in a liquid excited by sound. It was first discovered by scientists at the University of Cologne in 1934, but was not considered very interesting at the time.[1]
DAMMIT! what the hell is the matter with me...i cannot be trusted around information....
LMAO!!
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 02:47 AM
"The white man ain't left me nothing out there but the under world, and that is where i dance, where do you dance?"
on the ceiling?
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aint no sin to pick of yer skin
and dance around in your bones!
i love that one
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That's how they get you. The get your best friend to betray you.
Posted by: Mel at August 22, 2004 02:22 AM
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and afterwards, they betray the best friend
because who wants a guy who'll sell out his friends around?
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and their lies cast the shadow in the first place
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:52 AM
/what's a trog anyhow?/
The Troggs - 60's group that had the hit song 'Wild Thing'
"Wild thing you make my heart sing"
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:52 AM
Do it yourself...
http://www.physik3.gwdg.de/~rgeisle/nld/sbsl-howto.html
Just remember... Tecumseh does not like riddles.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:54 AM
alice maybe send me a email so i can send one in reply
because i sent emails to four separate addresses
and where are they going if not to you?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:55 AM
Just sound waves meeting each other in a flask. But they implode a bubble and the result is a temperature much much much much much much hotter than the Sun... only tiny tiny tiny.
http://www.techmind.org/sl/sonosml.gif
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:05 AM
wasn't civil war General Sherman named
William Tecumseh Sherman ?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 03:05 AM
~~~ wasn't civil war General Sherman named William Tecumseh Sherman ~~~
Yes... read up a little on Tecumseh. You'll be amazed.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:07 AM
I'm actually more partial to Tecumseh. A profit AND a great warrior.
I wrote this short story ages ago where this guy doing research into Sonoluminescence
http://www-phys.llnl.gov/N_Div/sonolum/
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this is really great, fish!
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and thanks for all that dead man stuff
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 03:09 AM
New Juan Cole column... hot off the presses.
US War Planes destroy part of the Maytham Mosque in Kufa. I guess we figure that we can destroy mosques as long as they aren't the one in Najaf. Bad... bad mistake.
http://www.rafed.net/towns/english/kufa.html
Read up. Concentrated truth from the house of Cole.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:13 AM
No Dada... thank you for being interested. I'm at the babbling stage now. No telling what I'll write.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:16 AM
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... As she lay under a crushing pile of her unsold books, oozing the last ounce of credibility from her self-inflicted, self-inflicted, self-inflicted wounds; Michelle Malkin wondered, "Why does everybody think I'm a chinese spy?". And then... it was over. In the corner of the room on the flickering TV screen flashed the words "KERRY LANDSLIDE!".
from an unpublished lesbian psycho-drama by lynne cheney
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Posted by: media dog at August 22, 2004 03:25 AM
~~~ US War Planes destroy part of the Maytham Mosque in Kufa. ~~~
Fishgrease Comment:
And its not just the mosque itself. Americans need to understand the treasures inside some of these shrines... the libraries... containing not gold or silver or jewels... but ancient original documents more important to the Shia than our Declaration of Independence is to us Americans. How... Negroponte and Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld must wonder... how can any of their treasures be as important as our Declaration of Independence?
I've a feeling they're fixing to find out.
The stupidity here is nearly superhuman.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:28 AM
That was wonderful, Media Dog... whoever you are.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:30 AM
'Dead Man' - some movie weirdness directed by Jim Jarmusch 1996, 4.5 stars of 5, rated by 190 submissions to amazon.com
Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com
This disappointment from Jim Jarmusch stars Johnny Depp in a mystery Western about a 19th-century accountant named William Blake, who spends his last coin getting to a hellish mud town in Texas and ends up penniless and doomstruck in the wilderness. A benevolent if goofy Native American (Gary Farmer) takes an interest in guiding Blake on a quest for identity in his earthly journey, but the film is really just a string of endless shtick about inbred woodsmen, dumb lawmen, and a trio of irritable killers. With Robert Mitchum, Iggy Pop, Gabriel Byrne, Alfred Molina, and a noodling soundtrack by Neil Young. --Tom Keogh,
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 03:33 AM
Alfred Molina
Don't know why or how but this guy turns me on.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 03:46 AM
Whatever gets you through the night, no nic
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 03:47 AM
Almost missed this one, July 9, 2000, 4 of 5 stars
Reviewer: Bill Jones (Lemon Grove, CA USA) - I did not see Jim Jarmusch's "Dead Man" when it first played in theaters, in large part because of the many negative reviews it received. Roger Ebert (who I admire) all but dismissed the film with his lowly *1/2-star rating. Ebert was a champion of Jarmusch's "Stranger Than Paradise", so I trusted him and avoided the movie. But now, having seen "Dead Man" on video, I feel many of these critics (who may have been expecting a traditional Western) were unfair in their judgements. This is a movie serious filmgoers should not miss.
Johnny Depp stars as William Blake, an accountant from Cleveland who travels west with the promise of a job. This westward journey - the basis for so many other movies - is not, however, seen as something positive (Blake, in fact, is warned early on that the Western town of Machine will only offer him a grave). Things do not start off well. He arrives to find out that the accountant position has already been filled. He tells the office manager (John Hurt) that he wants to speak with the owner. The owner (played by the late Robert Mitchum) is, unfortunately, no more sympathetic and forces Blake to leave.
Without enough money to return, Blake befriends a young woman who (like him) has had her romantic notions of the West crushed. She makes paper flowers, because a real flower would never be found in the ugliness of Machine. She shares her bed with him and is shot by her lover (Gabriel Byrne). Blake is also shot, but kills Byrne and escapes on his horse. He is soon found by an Indian named Nobody (Gary Farmer) who tells him that the bullet is close to his heart, so he is already a "dead man". The two take off together and Mitchum (Byrne was his son) places a bounty on Blake's head.
"Dead Man" is an anti-Western, in the same tradition as Robert Altman's "McCabe & Mrs. Miller". But the film, which is shot in beautiful black and white by Robby Muller, is unlike any Western I've ever seen. There's a poetic quality to the film. Blake is told that he shares the name of a great British poet not by any of the white people in the film, but rather by the Indian N
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 03:48 AM
~~~ Don't know why or how but this guy turns me on. ~~~
He's a good actor. Just odd enough that he's adaptable to a wide variety of parts.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:49 AM
"Dead Man" is an anti-Western, in the same tradition as Robert Altman's "McCabe & Mrs. Miller". But the film, which is shot in beautiful black and white by Robby Muller, is unlike any Western I've ever seen. There's a poetic quality to the film. Blake is told that he shares the name of a great British poet not by any of the white people in the film, but rather by the Indian Nobody (who believes he IS the poet).
The movie is very much pro-Native American and I admired the film for pointing out some unpleasant facts: like the fact that a million buffalo were slaughtered as a means of wiping out Indians (buffalo was one of their staples). Blake witnesses such a slaughter even before he's left the train.
And while I suppose this message could be found in "Dances With Wolves", I found "Dead Man" to be the better film
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 03:50 AM
endure in order to equalize,
transcending opportunity.
seal the store of death
with the cosmic tone of presence.
i am guided by the power of heart...............
Posted by: white cosmic world-bridger at August 22, 2004 03:50 AM
~~~ seal the store of death with the cosmic tone of presence ~~~
*burp*
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:53 AM
buenos suenos............
proximo ves.......
Posted by: white cosmic world-bridger at August 22, 2004 03:57 AM
"Don't let the sun burn a hole in your ass William Blake"
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:00 AM
Heya fishy :)
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:02 AM
Heya Rubin!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:03 AM
Wassup in the world today?
I'm so out of touch with reality last few days, I hardly even know what's going on in Israel...
Other than that interview I read with Shimon Peres yesterday... Gotta love that man.
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:04 AM
Rehi Fish, hey there Red in Israel! how are you?
I was just watching some Olympics here, Diving on right now.
Posted by: Great American Patriot at August 22, 2004 04:04 AM
When we speak of "seriousness" in fiction ultimately we are talking about an attitude toward death.
--Thomas Pynchon
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:06 AM
Heya patriot dude
We are very happy we got an olympic medal :)
It's only bronze and all, but we're very proud.
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:07 AM
hey-didiliy-hey, neighborinos!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:09 AM
I just found Olympic Ping Pong on Bravo....
Amazing!!!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:09 AM
Weren't Shimon Peres & Jimmy Carter quite good friends?
Posted by: Great American Patriot at August 22, 2004 04:10 AM
Shimon Peres and everyone in the world are great friends.
Everyone loves Shimon Peres.
Last year, at his 80th birthday party, like every past world leader was there.
Clinton was singing too :)
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:12 AM
speaking of Jarmusch and Molina, Coffee and Cigarettes out in a month on DVD. Not great, but nice...
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:13 AM
Fish, I heard that if you have sat/cable that olympic badminton can be mesmerizing
*Bink!*......... *Bink!*
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:13 AM
If noname's still looking,
The Case Against George W. Bush
The son of the fortieth president of the United States takes a hard look at the son of the forty-first and does not like what he sees
By Ron Reagan
http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2004/040729_mfe_reagan_1.html
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:15 AM
The world would be a much safer & better place if Jimmy Carter & Shimon Peres were back in charge
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:15 AM
speaking of Jarmusch and Molina, Coffee and Cigarettes out in a month on DVD. Not great, but nice...
Posted by at August 22, 2004 04:13 AM
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anyone ever see any films by jim moritsigu?.....mod fuck explosion,hippy porn, and my degenration are classics. mystery train was a good jarmusch film i havent seen mentioned yet.
Posted by: imaginary friend at August 22, 2004 04:18 AM
Hey there chubby bubba! how are you doing?
you got some work next month I understand
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:18 AM
Ruthless tacticians
make desperate manuvers.
Lairs in a swiftboat
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:19 AM
Well, Shimon said he might run for prime minister in 2006...
Though, he's not very good at winning elections.
Damnit, the man has to be elected prime minister once in his life!
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:19 AM
News to me, but anything's possible.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:20 AM
I do have some good prospects.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:21 AM
still here, thanks for the Ron Reagan Esquire article like there no nick :)
I peered into the dark and saw many eyes out there just lurking, watching, reading... spinning thoughts... firing synapses...
blog absorbing into the late night to early morn
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:23 AM
I really do have to get to work tho, cuz I just popped for cable modem here at casa del Bubba
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:24 AM
How're things with you in Chicago, isn't it?
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:25 AM
~~~ Fish, I heard that if you have sat/cable that olympic badminton can be mesmerizing ~~~
My kid is watching a movie now :[
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:25 AM
Oh yes... Mystery Train
Wonderful Mood... and that Japanese couple... just as cute as anything ever.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:27 AM
I'm ok chubby, thanks
you going from dialup to cable internet cb?
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:28 AM
finally making the upgrade, yes. just after I found free 56k service that gives pretty decent speed. But Comcast offered 14.95 permonth for the rest of the year.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:33 AM
you'll see a little of it Fish, all I got to see olympics is NBC so I don't have the other NBC empire feeds.
I wonder what an Olympic ShuttleCock is?
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:33 AM
Can't say I ever heard of Moritsugu, but checking out his site---
http://jonmoritsugu.com/films/my_deg/
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 04:34 AM
China has won every Olympic Gold in table tennis(ping pong) ever since it became an olympic event
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:36 AM
GAP, hey there. japan is betting its self-esteem (table tennis-wise) that a young kid from here (she's 16 or thereabouts) will win the gold...if she doesn't, japan will be gloomy for weeks, i'm sure...
fish, have you seen 'berlin'? that's my favorite masatoshi nagase (the cute boy from the couple in mystery train)...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 04:46 AM
what happened to the USA basketball team?
how can they loose to a country that most 'muricans can't find on a map, let alone spell?
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:46 AM
Can't say I ever heard of Moritsugu, but checking out his site---
http://jonmoritsugu.com/films/my_deg/
Posted by at August 22, 2004 04:34 AM
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that's it, i always mix up his name, but yeah very humorous,twisted, and weird, and usually some great msuic to go along with it. not for everyone but ehh, beats any mainstream crap-fest that gets made these days any day.
Posted by: imaginary friend at August 22, 2004 04:47 AM
She is the Ichiro of Ping-Pong?
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 04:48 AM
"She is the Ichiro of Ping-Pong?"
precisely ; ) only younger and more manga-like, so more popular here...and anytime japan can beat china there's celebration in the streets (silly but true)
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 04:49 AM
Welp...
I'm gonna crash. Nite Gapper, Rubin
SEDER, if you show up round these parts... we need Juan Cole on once a week for awhile. He emailed me that he would be happy to do it and said he was very impressed with your and Janeane's questions -- as were we all.
He makes your show unique in a very substantive fashion and allows you to cut to the real truth about Iraq in a way that is simply not available ANYWHERE else right now.
Just a suggestion on my part... but a pretty good one I would think.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:52 AM
chubby, very few NBA guys wanted to be on the olympic team unlike in previous years, they had a lot of young guys with selfish ego's. However losing that first game was probably good for them.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:52 AM
Ciao, fishy dude!
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:53 AM
I second what you say about Juan Cole Fish
I'll put in a word for him if I get around to sending my email tomorrow.
Have a great Sunday, get some sleep.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 04:55 AM
http://www.alishya.com/famedart/parris-ursula.jpg
Posted by: Kozmon at August 22, 2004 04:56 AM
Hey there, jenise
wassup?
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 04:56 AM
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/
The Six Nations:
Oldest Living Participatory Democracy on Earth
The people of the Six Nations, also known by the French term, Iroquois [1] Confederacy, call themselves the Hau de no sau nee (ho dee noe sho nee) meaning People Building a Long House. Located in the northeastern region of North America, originally the Six Nations was five and included the Mohawks, Oneidas, Onondagas, Cayugas, and Senecas. The sixth nation, the Tuscaroras, migrated into Iroquois country in the early eighteenth century. Together these peoples comprise the oldest living participatory democracy on earth.
Their story, and governance truly based on the consent of the governed, contains a great deal of life-promoting intelligence for those of us not familiar with this area of American history. The original United States representative democracy, fashioned by such central authors as Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, drew much inspiration from this confederacy of nations.
In our present day, we can benefit immensely, in our quest to establish anew a government truly dedicated to all life's liberty and happiness much as has been practiced by the Six Nations for over 800 hundred years.
Posted by: Six Nations at August 22, 2004 05:00 AM
ooh our art gallery is back...nice
*sigh* overlooked by fishgrease again...
hey, redrubin...how are you doing? watching 'vacuuming naked in paradise' which is taking a lot of concentration, what with the accents and all...saw F911 last night and then got drunk...has it made it to your parts yet?
how's the secretary thing working out?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:00 AM
Hiya jenise!
Ever heard of a book called "Learning To Bow" by Bruce Feiler?
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:00 AM
no, i haven't...what is it gap? about japanese business culture?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:02 AM
I wish they would just abolish the idea of `national teams' in the olymics.
I know it would be difficult to change the perception of the athletes simply being from a counry rather than representing it.
But the nationalism that's been so prevelant lately...it just isn't what the olypics are really suppost to be about. Its suppost to be about the best althetes in the worl competing, not a contest to see whoch country gets the most medals.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:02 AM
" wish they would just abolish the idea of `national teams' in the olymics."
i completely agree, chubby...the olympics have always made me very uncomfortable...mostly because i flat out hate flags...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:04 AM
jenise, FG isn't ignorning you. He is quite tired. He was up pretty late. If you were here a hour ago you would have caught him.
He'll be back
I'll look up the 'Learning To Bow' info
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:04 AM
I think F911 has been in theatres here for quite a while now... Haven't seen it yet though.
I actually think I should, like, take a shower and get dressed for work... hm.
I think I'll only be there for a couple of hours and then go hang out with a friend.
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 05:05 AM
An instructional book on ribbon tying, GAP?
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:05 AM
so the secretary thing isn't keeping you riveted in your chair huh? lol
hope the hours go by quickly, redrubin...have a great day...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:09 AM
>>i completely agree, chubby...the olympics have always made me very uncomfortable...mostly because i flat out hate flags...
For me, its crowds chanting USA,USA.USA that make me uncomfortable.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:09 AM
Well, see, I haven't officially started yet, I'm just kinda hanging out there getting to know the people and learning the job.
So, I can come and go as I please.
You know what else is cool?
I'll have to go to the post office every day and pass lots of cool stores on the way. Including a piercing shop. Which means, by the end of my one year service, I'll be pierced all over the fucking place.
I'll be setting off magnometers all over Israel (and there are loads of them around here, you know..)
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 05:12 AM
yes, the chanting, too...on all sides really...my husband gets disgusted being here (he's japanese) during the olympics or the world cup...ends up cheering for whoever japan competes against...i get worried right-wing punks will come knocking on the door he's so loud sometimes...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:12 AM
Its not secretary, its *administrative assistant*. And I DON'T make coffee!
;-)
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:12 AM
Learning to Bow: Inside the Heart of Japan
by Bruce S. Feiler
Feiler offers a humorous take on the year he spent teaching in Japan, and on Japanese culture in general.
Copyright 1992
Product Description:
Learning to Bow has been heralded as one of the most insightful books about the clash of American and Japanese cultures. Bruce Feiler recounts the year he spent teaching inside Japan's renowned school system: watching boys and girls learn gender roles, experiencing the impact of strict school rules, and understanding the roots of Japan's business success.
* Paperback: 321 pages
A glimpse into Japan of the late 1980's, January 16, 2002
Reviewer: Zack Davisson (Sakurai, Nara, Japan)
The primary strength of this book is the writing style. Unlike many books about Japanese culture, this book is funny and "living." The book contains a series of anecdotes, each one focusing on a particular experience that Bruce S. Feiler had during his stay. The stories are written as first-person memoirs, and cover such broad topics as Hiroshima and Nagasaki to how to date a Japanese girl. The writing is clever and engaging.
The only thing I felt this book was lacking was an update of some sort. Written about 11 years ago, "Learning to Bow" is about Japan during the "bubble economy." Japan has gone through severe economic and societal changes since then, and I wonder how much of the information is still current. Surely, with the JET program in full swing for several decades now, the presence of foreigners is not such a surprise anymore. Also, the place of women has gone through some significant changes since this book was written.
Still, anyone planning a long-term stay in Japan should read this book. It is fun, insightful and has great tips for climbing Mt. Fuji.
This is how it really is, January 22, 2001
Reviewer: "naganojim" (United States) Bruce Feiler was one of the first participants on the JET program, a program sponsored by the Japanese government to bring foreign young people to Japan for the purposes of education and "internationalization." While Feiler's experiences are a little unusual, in that he can already speak Japane
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:14 AM
HELLO JENISE!!!!!!!
Just returning to post a single link. Interesting.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 05:16 AM
okay, fishgrease, i'm happy now...thanks ; P
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:16 AM
Continuing with the 3rd & 4th review of 'Learning To Bow' by Bruce Feiler(more at link:
This is how it really is, January 22, 2001
Reviewer: "naganojim" (United States) - See all my reviewsBruce Feiler was one of the first participants on the JET program, a program sponsored by the Japanese government to bring foreign young people to Japan for the purposes of education and "internationalization." While Feiler's experiences are a little unusual, in that he can already speak Japanese when he arrives and the events at his school are rather dramatic, overall his story reflects the life of a typical JET program participant. The culture shock, the unbending bureaucracy, the complex and often disaffected attitudes of students, the instant celebrity and lack of privacy that goes with it, are all symptoms that JETs experience. I read the book and often found myself nodding in agreement, having experience the same events and feelings myself. If you want to have an intimate look at the world of education in Japan today, Feiler's book is an excellent place to start. If you are thinking about joining the JET program, this book is a must, along with Importing Diversity.
Useful Information For Any Gaijin in Japan, April 13, 2004
Reviewer: Jerry Sanchez (Laie, Oahu, Hawaii)
This book is useful for anyone moving to Japan, either as part of the JET Programme or any other reason. After living in Japan for a few years (not on the JET Programme) I recognized a lot of truth to what Feiler had to say. This book also provided me with an inside look at and the pros and cons of the Japanese school system. Through my own experience, I honestly am amazed at the amount of pressure placed on students to do well in school in Japan. For the most part, the students' effort pays off when they are accepted into a great high school or college, regardless of the two-hour-one-way commute some of them endure. At the same time, however, I wish the school system in Japan encouraged students to be more creative and that the environment allowed them to learn more about the world around them. Despite that, though, the Japanese people make great students and are some of the nicest people you'll meet in your life.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:19 AM
The USA-USA-USA thing seems about 3 steps away from Krystalnacht, to me.
I can take a good crowd/mob mentality. I enjoy being loud and boisterous in at concerts and sporting events (I'm gifted with a VERY loud hollerin' voice).
But mixing the mob mentality with nationalism and/or religion is a very volitile mix. Too many zealots out there.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:21 AM
redrubin, not a bad set up it sounds like...and i would think preferable to basic training yeah? hope it works out welll...where you planning to get pierced next?
gap, i never read any of the books explaining japan to westerners...probably should have...lol...just muddled my through really...and after 12 years, still learning...i came here originally with the YMCA, but i've heard the JET thing is a great deal...money's great, etc.
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:21 AM
Not neo-cons, not republicans,
NECROPUBLICANS!
I love Ted Rall's work---
http://www.ucomics.com/tedrall/
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 05:22 AM
I'm happy too! But sleepy. Wife has been making me do real work during the daylight hours. Garden and such. I don't understand what the Japanese see in it... but of course, I don't have a garden like theirs either. I AM interested in those flat rectangular gardens of theirs that just have raked sand and a few rocks and that's all.
I can grow rocks.
Nite!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 05:23 AM
Tight post limit there. This will make it with the link at the bottom:
Cultural lessons disquised by an American sensei in Japan, January 3, 2004
Reviewer: "therosen" (Chicago, IL United States) - Bruce Fielder pens the story of his experience as an English Teacher in Japan. Similar to "You Gotta Have Wa", this book is more about the experiences of an outsider fitting in to Japan than the occupational hazards of teaching English. To use his own words, Fielder really does cut into the heart of Japan. Interspersed between stories of the challenges of the educational system are many deeper lessons. Included are an explanation of the importance of group harmony and identity, how co-workers balance formal working relationships with personal bonds, and how personal development differs between Japan and the West.
Perhaps my only struggle was hearing how hard it was for the author to find a date in Japan. Japan is legendary for English teachers "punching above their weight" and finding girlfriend's well out of their league in the US. But perhaps the book would have lost it's tone and cultural insights if it degenerated into a story of how many girls the author picked up.
The book has held up remarkably over the past 10 years. Despite the bursting of the Japanese bubble, the cultural lessons ring true today. I recommend the book to anyone interested in Japan, independent of occupation.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:25 AM
goodnight, fishgrease...sweet dreams
stop by my house whenever you're in the neighborhood and i'll take you and ms. fish to the rock gardens nearby...; )
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:26 AM
Shite, gotta go get ready, mum's gonna drop me off at work.
Oh well...
See ya guys later!
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 05:29 AM
"Perhaps my only struggle was hearing how hard it was for the author to find a date in Japan. Japan is legendary for English teachers "punching above their weight" and finding girlfriend's well out of their league in the US. "
gap, there is a whole lot of this here...but most people for who this is important, i think, end up leaving japan...i interviewd an english teacher here for my thesis who said the reason he liked japan was because he liked feeling like mick jagger...*sigh*
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:29 AM
"Wife has been making me do real work during the daylight hours. Garden and such"
So Fish, you and Jimmy and some others here have your yard assignments layed out for you. You don't even have to think about what you need to do. ;) hehe
Sunday off?
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:30 AM
fish and rock gardens,
invites and well wishes.
pockets of zen
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:32 AM
"Similar to "You Gotta Have Wa"
Jenise what is "Wa"
I'm sure that would be an interesting book too.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:35 AM
bye, redrubin...
chubby, that was perfect...
gap, i'm pretty sure 'you gotta have wa' is about japanese baseball...about the way japanese build and maintain a team and group spirit and all...'wa' is harmony in the japanese sense...it has a lot to do with consensus-building, but in the majority opinion sense, but in finding something everyone can live with and in interacting in a way in which no one loses...i think it's very important, but it's quite time-consuming and you have to invest a lot of yourself in the process...
if you put the character for even-keeled or smooth with 'wa' you have the japanese word for peace...
are you interested in living in japan, gap?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:41 AM
Noticed that the archive of last nights Laura Flanders is up but not friday nights Majority Report or last nights Ring Of Fire:
Laura Flanders - August 21, 2004
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Goings on at the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf; Joseph Darby, the GI who blew the whistle on the abuses at Abu Grahib; The growing right-wing criticism of the Bush administration; Artists participating in the Imagine04 Festival
Guests:
* Phillip Robertson, salon.com
* Wil Hylton, GQ Magazine
* James Bovard, "The Bush Betrayal"
* Dr. Tim Ashby, Republicans for Kerry
* Chris Wangro, Co ordinator of Imagine04
* Laurie Cheedle, "This Land is Your Land"
* Haleh Abgari, "The Republic in Ruins"
* Dan Bern, singer/songwriter
http://www.airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=10
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:41 AM
oops, this
but in the majority opinion sense,
should be 'not in the majority rule sense'
chubby, what kind of prospects do you have job-wise? anything you're excited about?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:43 AM
Probably not Jenise although I would like to visit there if I could. I like the culture & art.
I think japanese like chinese is a awful difficult language though.
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:47 AM
Yes, haiku is nice,
I calls 'em like I sees 'em,
like Yogi Berra.
Its much easier.
when I’m sleep depraved
or swimming in saki.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:50 AM
I noticed that there is 2 books with "you gotta have wa" in their title plus "the meaning of ichiro" at:
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 05:51 AM
"I think japanese like chinese is a awful difficult language though."
yeah, i think the written characters are off-putting...they are so completely different from how we write/think...japanese though is much easier to write and speak, i think, than chinese...chinese has the whole intonation thing that i find hard to deal with and more characters to memorize...i tried to go back and improve my spanish a few years ago and find i have more trouble with that than japanese...lol
so what do you do outside of chicago, gap? are you working in computers? or am i confused again?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:52 AM
>>chubby, what kind of prospects do you have job-wise?
nothing really solid yet, there's a couple tech positions and a hand full of customer service positions. I may have to grap a warehousing position or something to make sure I have the rent covered on time.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:57 AM
chubby, amazing what a drink or two will do to loosen the pen huh? i try to write haikus for sunshine occassionally, but i'm not so good at it, i'm afraid...
gap, i only know the 'you gotta have wa' listed first from seeing it in the bookstore...my brothers like ichiro and matsui a lot, but my husband hates (well, dislikes intensely) the japanese players in the u.s. for the sole reason that he's an oakland a's fan and they all play for other teams...a stubborn, pig-headed a's fan, i might add...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 05:57 AM
You should come visit ichiro in Seattle.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 05:59 AM
some of that, Computers for media production and some media production
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 06:00 AM
chubby, hope you find something pleasing soon...i keep hearing about the difficulties of the job market over there...japan's just now starting to recover...or so they tell us...
gotta go tramp out in the rain for tobacco...be right back...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:01 AM
Ichiro is in Seattle??
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 06:04 AM
I'm surprised at the amount of Japanese vacationers who visit here since Kazuhiro Sazuki first came here. I go by Safeco quite often, and even when the mariners are out of town you can count on at least a couple asian (presumably Japanese) to be taking pictures with the 12-foot tall picture of Ichiro as the backdrop.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:05 AM
Ichiro is dai ichi seattle mariner
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:06 AM
Speaking of that, its 5 AM here and time to sleep... Hope to catch you tomorrow night in between Steve Earle & Morning Sedition
Night Jenise & Chubby and whoever else is out there... sleep well zzzzzz
Remember that the Premiere of Steve Earle's 1 Hr new show 'The Revolution Starts Now' starts Sunday night at 10 PM Eastern US Time
Posted by: GAP at August 22, 2004 06:12 AM
okay, i'm back...wet, but back...
goodnight, gap, sweet dreams
chubby, that's another thing that bugs the hell out of my husband...he thinks the major league teams mostly take japanese players for the revenue that japanese fans bring in...have you noticed the ads behind homeplate in japanese for japanese products? those are for the japanese broadcasters, of course...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:14 AM
yes, I have to get to sleep to. I really can't afford to change my sleep habits. I don't want to staart sleeping in too late.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:15 AM
good night all!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:16 AM
goodnight then...
guess i'm off to try to figure out why not a single senator would sign that damn piece of paper...never been so disappointed by anything in my life (slight exaggeration, but not much)
just one favor i'd like to ask, though...can we please, please stop referring to 'ethnic' clothes, music, etc. and also to 'world music'...all music is world music...and clothes and music are ethnic...aren't they?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:19 AM
Well, when the A's play the M's at safeco he cam come hate it in person!
I just looked up at her tv and I saw GODZILLA! the syncronicity is too much!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:20 AM
For the longest time I thought they only made Gozilla movies in the 60's and 70's. It appears they never stopped.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:21 AM
chubby - LOL...you mean the monster godzilla right? not the yankee godzilla...
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:22 AM
>>guess i'm off to try to figure out why not a single senator would sign that damn piece of paper
which piece of paper iwould that be?
tell me and I'll go to sleep. I promise.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:23 AM
chubby, i just saw F911 last night...and i cannot get that footage in the beginning of the film when the black caucus reps were trying to get gore as pres. of the senate not to authorize the election results...they had to have the signature of one senator for it to be valid, but not one senator would sign...made me cry
why do you think that was? i'm going to see what i can find on the internet...dada gave me some links, but why do you think?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:26 AM
O'Reilly's Growl
John Colapinto has penned a Rolling Stone profile of Fox News' Bill O'Reilly. The piece is entitled "Mad Dog: 'Shut up!' and other deep thoughts from the angry mind of Bill O'Reilly. The truth about Fox News' number-one bigmouth."
"A certain suspense always grips a room before O'Reilly enters, the air troubled with a constant, whispered, worried refrain: 'What kinda mood is he in today?' and 'How's Bill today?' The question is purely rhetorical. Everyone knows that O'Reilly is always pissed off, aggrieved, spoiling for a fight. But some days are worse than others. Like today -- it's April 22nd, 2004. Things are going badly in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, and all this has made O'Reilly, a booster of the war, even tetchier than usual." -
Mad Dog
"Shut up!" and other deep thoughts from the angry mind of Bill O'Reilly. The truth about Fox News' number-one bigmouth
By JOHN COLAPINTO
At 2:30 p.m. every weekday, Bill O'Reilly descends from his office on the seventeenth floor of the News Corp building in midtown Manhattan to the Fox News Channel's basement bunker deep below street level. There, he moves with a studied, gunslinger's stride borrowed from his hero, Clint Eastwood, past long rows of office pods where teams of producers cook up the cable network's daily lineup of "fair and balanced" programming. Working a stick of gum in his jaws, he moves, unsmilingly, past the Hannity and Colmes pod, the Greta Van Susteren pod, the Shepard Smith pod, until he arrives at a tiny enclosure of desks, above which is posted a sign reading The O'reilly Factor. There, a team of eight producers, most in their twenties, have been nervously awaiting his arrival. A certain suspense always grips a room before O'Reilly enters, the air troubled with a constant, whispered, worried refrain: "What kinda mood is he in today?" and "How's Bill today?"
The question is purely rhetorical. Everyone knows that O'Reilly is always pissed off, aggrieved, spoiling for a fight. But some days are worse than others. Like today -- it's April 22nd, 2004. Things are going badly in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, and all this has made O'Reilly, a booster of the war, even t
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:27 AM
Yes, I'm watching sci-fi chanel. 1st there was a movie about a huge crocodile chasing teenagers which, at some point, turned into a movie about Jurasiac park-type tele-raptors chasing whoever. Now I see 2nnd grade children's letters to Godilla.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:28 AM
The question is purely rhetorical. Everyone knows that O'Reilly is always pissed off, aggrieved, spoiling for a fight. But some days are worse than others. Like today -- it's April 22nd, 2004. Things are going badly in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, and all this has made O'Reilly, a booster of the war, even tetchier than usual.
As he enters the pod, his expression is sour and dyspeptic. He drops, wearily, into an office chair facing his staff. In person, O'Reilly is paler, balder, puffier than he appears on TV. Right now, he's showing every day of his fifty-four years. He rises each day at 6:30 a.m. to close-comb the New York Times for evidence of liberal bias (he always finds it), then battles the commuter traffic from his home on Long Island. By the time he has knocked off his two-hour morning radio show, The Radio Factor, then wolfed down lunch in his messy office while writing the "Talking Points Memo" that leads off every episode of the TV Factor, he's a man inno mood to be messed with... full story at:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6417561&rnd=1093169969193&has-player=true
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:30 AM
chubby, you fell asleep?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:38 AM
//have you noticed the ads behind homeplate in japanese for japanese products? those are for the japanese broadcasters, of course...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:14 AM//
Those are electronically generated ads most likely. They can put about any kind of ad back there now days.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:40 AM
Oh, jesus. now some japanses woman in a body suit is singing to to HORRIBLE rock music. So unbeleavable I had to look back and hind the cheeseiest psycodelic effects ever.
Just when I thought it could get no worse, godzilla starts wrestling with a giant octopus or shrimp or something.
I supose this is concousness's way of reminding me I promised I'd got to sleep after you told me about the paper.
oh no. the flash back to the the psychodelic bar and everyone is turning into fish.
now the giant squid is flinging what appears to be steaming piles of dung, presumably his own, at Godzilla!!!!
HELP ME!!!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:40 AM
chubby, the squid is probalby flinging the ink that it's defense ...so, no opinion on the signature?
electronically generated ads huh? another wonderful use of our technological advancements...just what we need...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:43 AM
Godzilla versus Hedora. What I took to be a sushi monster was simply a pollution mutation.
what a relief.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:43 AM
chubby, you okay? hahaha
being consumed by cheezy japanese monsters...not a good way to start your sleep...
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 06:46 AM
>>so, no opinion on the signature?
one nightmare at a time, please!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:50 AM
oops, sorry, chubby...quite right
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:51 AM
its just inexplicable, pointless and Disappointing.
Now I don't know if I'm taliking about the search for the signature.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:58 AM
Its alomost 4, Ive got to log off, nite all!
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:59 AM
>>being consumed by cheezy japanese monsters...not a good way to start your sleep...
well, I'm hoping more for the japanese ladies in skinpaint or bodysuits to inspire my dreams.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 07:02 AM
//electronically generated ads huh? another wonderful use of our technological advancements...just what we need...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 06:43 AM//
Similar thing is done at the olympics, they put the nation logos & the swimmers name in what looks like is just under the pool and they put a electronic line tracking the lead swimmer like is done in football with a first down line.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 07:07 AM
no, the ads aren't computer generated images. They are simply a form of scrolling billboard that can be changed every half inning.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 07:09 AM
otherwise they would only be visible to tv viewrs, missing a market of the thousands in the stands
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 07:11 AM
has some new posts up about a half hour ago
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 07:12 AM
//no, the ads aren't computer generated images. They are simply a form of scrolling billboard that can be changed every half inning.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 07:09 AM//
Some are for local but a lot of electronically generated ads are increasingly being used. If a US sports park is seen in a foreign country with a foreign ad in it, it is electronically generated. The digital electronics are pretty sophisticated now and region specific ads can be put into a live video signal.
It used to be that you had to have a green or blue background section to do that but now it can also be done with sophisticated digital electronics that is licensed out.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 07:24 AM
What did you hear from the fighters themselves? Did any of them indicate they would lay down their arms and vacate the shrine?
The fighters don't know anything about a peace deal. I asked some of them if they would put down their arms if Sadr told them to, and they said, "Absolutely, he's the leader." But there's been no sign of that. A lot of fighters kept asking me, "Why does America hate poor people so much?" That was a common refrain.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/08/19/shrine/index1.html
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 07:36 AM
Into the Shrine of Ali
Inside the shrine itself, there were no weapons to be seen, but there were hundreds of Mahdi Army supporters, some of them familiar faces from a demonstration one week ago in Baghdad. They were voluntary human shields, the youngest perhaps 8 years old, the oldest 70.
A tall man in a white dishdasha grabs me by the shoulders. "We hated Saddam, why? Because Saddam Hussein didn't give freedom," says the man, who gives his name only as Mohammad. "Now [Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad] Allawi and the Americans are like Saddam. They describe us as uneducated, but I am an engineer, he is a doctor, he is businessman. We want peace, not war, but if they want to kill our leader, Sayid Moqtada al-Sadr, we will either die, or gain victory."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0820/p01s04-woiq.html
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 07:52 AM
Do you like seeing automobile accidents?
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:08 AM
Perhaps, if you were in it.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:28 AM
i love Simple Minds!!
Posted by: Alice at August 22, 2004 12:48 AM
In your case, it would be self love.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:31 AM
Life is a fucking cruise!/
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 22, 2004 12:21 AM
Unfortunately, you fell overboard a long time ago.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:33 AM
mel you got good taste
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:56 AM
The fact that he's blogging with you, contradicts your statement.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:39 AM
I'm at the babbling stage now.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 03:16 AM
We never would have guessed.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:41 AM
Boy, someone sure is grumpy-wumpy this fine morning!
Posted by: nudnik at August 22, 2004 08:41 AM
I just found Olympic Ping Pong on Bravo....
Amazing!!!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 04:09 AM
I'll bet a game of checkers leaves you dumbfounded.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:42 AM
Boy, someone sure is grumpy-wumpy this fine morning!
Posted by: nudnik at August 22, 2004 08:41 AM
Now there's a man with an appropriate name.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:44 AM
Yes, I'm watching sci-fi chanel.
Posted by: chubby_bubba at August 22, 2004 06:28 AM
There must have been a test pattern on the Cartoon Network.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 08:47 AM
C'mon and sing with me, The Evil Twin! It's sure to put you in a better mood. This is from one of my favorite musicals, Bye Bye Birdie. It's "Put On A Happy Face."
Gray skies are gonna clear up
Put on a happy face
Wipe off the clouds and cheer up
Put on a happy face
Take off the gloomy mask of tragedy
It's not your style
You'll look so good that you'll be glad
That you decided to smile
Pick out a pleasant outlook
Stick out that nobel chin
Wipe off that full of doubt look
Snap on a happy grin
Spread sunshine all over the place
And just put on a happy
Put on a happy face
Posted by: nudnik at August 22, 2004 08:49 AM
Here's what I think you should do during the RNC.
Janeanne goes to the Garden.
Sam comes to the Tank (New Democratic Majority HQ) and talks to THE PEOPLE.
Or send him out as a roving reporter.
Posted by: Daniel Debowy at August 22, 2004 08:55 AM
Oh, and you guys should play Reverend Billy's new single, "George Bush does not return to Ground Zero."
Posted by: Daniel Debowy at August 22, 2004 08:56 AM
Daniel, thanks for tip about
Reverend Billy's new single, "George Bush does not return to Ground Zero."
Real Player audio available here:
http://stopshoppingmonitor.journurl.com/index.cfm?mode=article&entry=774
Playing it now and I'm loving it!
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 09:01 AM
i guess i've found at least part of the answer...rather pathetic imho...
Congressional Democrats ratify Bush election coup in US
By Patrick Martin
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/cong-j08.shtml
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 09:12 AM
'Fahrenheit 9/11' opens to big, enthusiastic crowds
By ERIC JOHNSTON
In Osaka, crowds began lining up early Saturday morning for the first showing. At the Umeda Garden Cinema, the lines were long. Some of those who saw the film said afterward that they would likely see it again.
"After hearing everything about this film, good and bad, I'm glad it's finally here. I think this is a film that all Japanese need to see, because it shows just how much Bush has lied. It's a film I intend to see again," said Reiji Taniguchi, a student at an Osaka-area university, after standing in line since about 7 a.m.
http://www.japantimes.com/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20040822a2.htm
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 09:16 AM
and along the same lines...
The Long Shadow of Jim Crow: Voter Intimidation and Suppression in America Today
A Report by PFAW Foundation and NAACP
In a nation where children are taught in grade school that every citizen has the right to vote, it would be comforting to think that the last vestiges of voter intimidation, oppression and suppression were swept away by the passage and subsequent enforcement of the historic Voting Rights Act of 1965. It would be good to know that voters are no longer turned away from the polls based on their race, never knowingly misdirected, misinformed, deceived or threatened.
Unfortunately, it would be a grave mistake to believe any of it.
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=16367
Become an Election Protection volunteer:
http://www.electionprotectionvolunteer.org/pfaw
Support Election Protection with a contribution:
http://www.pfaw.org/go/ep_sponsor_2004
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 09:38 AM
If you like MM ..
Then you love ..
Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry
Learn what lies and half truths can do to the polical system..
Find out about pay-back..
Watch Kerry drop in the polls as he spends his money defending himself..
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Military Veteran Support For Kerry Drops Dramatically: Poll
AFP: 8/19/2004
WASHINGTON, Aug 19 (AFP) - Democratic presidential hopeful John Kerry's support among military veterans has deteriorated as his Vietnam War record has come under attack, according to a poll released Thursday.
Just after last month's Democratic National Convention, during which Kerry played up his credential as a decorated Vietnam veteran, the Massachusetts senator was tied with President George W. Bush at 46 percent each among veterans, according to the CBS News Poll.
But recent television spots accusing Kerry of lying about his Vietnam War record may have contributed to a dramatic drop in support among veterans for the Democrat, CBS said.
Bush now leads Kerry 55 to 37 percent among veterans.
http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=24948
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Propagda ..
Give em what the want..!
and don't forget..
Support election reform..
Get rid of that soft money..!!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 09:40 AM
See full story and links here:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
THEN AND NOW....I've mentioned before that one of the reasons you shouldn't trust the SwiftVets group is that until recently a lot of them said nice things about John Kerry — and then suddenly refreshed their memories early this year. Some of those nice things were said to reporters during the past few years, some were said in official reports 36 years ago, while in other cases official documents directly contradict what they're saying today.
This probably isn't a complete list, but here's a quick recap of why nobody with a brain should trust a word they say:
Roy Hoffman, today: "John Kerry has not been honest."
Roy Hoffman, 2003: "I am not going to say anything negative about him — he's a good man."
Adrian Lonsdale, today: "He lacks the capacity to lead."
Adrian Lonsdale, 1996: "He was among the finest of those Swift boat drivers."
George Elliot, today: "John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam."
George Elliot, 1996: "The fact that he chased an armed enemy down is something not to be looked down upon, but it was an act of courage."
Larry Thurlow, today: "...there was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day."
Larry Thurlow's Bronze Star citation, 1969: "...all units began receiving enemy small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks."
Dr. Louis Letson, today: "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury."
Medical records, 1968: "Dr. Letson's name does not appear on any of the medical records for Mr. Kerry. Under 'person administering treatment' for the injury, the form is signed by a medic, J. C. Carreon, who died several years ago."
Grant Hibbard, today: "He betrayed all his shipmates. He lied before the Senate."
Hibbard's evaluation of Kerry, 1968: "Mr. Hibbard gave Mr. Kerry the highest rating of 'one of the top few' in three categories—initiative, cooperation and personal behavior. He gave Mr. Kerry the second-best rating, 'abo
Posted by: nudnik at August 22, 2004 09:45 AM
(Part 2)
Mr. Kerry the second-best rating, 'above the majority,' in military bearing."
They were either lying then or they're lying now. Take your pick. But either way, since there's no documentary evidence to back up their stories, the only thing going for them is their own personal credibility.
And that seems pretty thin, doesn't it?
Posted by: nudnik at August 22, 2004 09:46 AM
Morning/Afternoon Jenise!!! How is my girl doing today?
Besides the issue you brought up earlier, what else struck you about F 9/11?
I haven't had the opportunity to see it yet.
Morning Wardog, you are up early! Thought you were very tired last night. You are a blogger junkie now too.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 09:48 AM
What a freeken time waster this non-issue is.
I will post later what the real issues are to oust Bush!
Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete
Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A01
When John F. Kerry rescued Jim Rassmann from the Bay Hap River in the jungles of Vietnam in March 1969, neither man could possibly have imagined that the episode would become a much-disputed focus of an American presidential campaign 35 years later.
For Kerry, then a green and gangly Navy lieutenant junior grade and now the Democratic challenger to a wartime Republican president, that tale of heroism under fire has become integral to his campaign. A centerpiece of public rallies, videos and a new campaign advertisement, it has helped distinguish the candidate from his Democratic primary rivals and from President Bush, who spent the war at home as a member of the Texas Air National Guard
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html?referrer%3Demail
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 09:51 AM
I was up late for me last night..
Feel pretty good today..
Going for a bike ride later today..
How are you feeling?
Have you tried the Naturally speaking software??
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 09:54 AM
Wardog, I wish I could ride a bike again!!!
Closest I probably could get to that is a recumbant bike. Envy you.
Some days are good, some bad lately. Bust not really bad enough to stop me from doing things.
Hope that continues.
What is Naturally Speaking software?
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 09:57 AM
For obvious reasons, this is a big concern of mine.
Bush Health Care Plan Seems to Fall Short
Gap Grows Between Hard Data, Projections for Covering 10 Million Uninsured
By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A04
If the Republican-controlled Congress enacted President Bush's entire health care agenda, as many as 10 million people who lack health insurance would be covered at a cost of $102 billion over the next decade, according to his campaign aides.
But when the Bush-Cheney team was asked to provide documentation, the hard data fell far short of the claims, a gap supported by several independent analyses.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21929-2004Aug21.html?referrer=email
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:00 AM
It will be the Cambodia part of the book that drags on..
Kerry said that after his return from VN..
He was 50 miles from the border..
50 miles is a long way in a boat!
That is one Kerry wants to go away..
But you are right Toni it was 30 years ago..
He was in his 20's..
But MM poisoned the political well..
Now everyone gets to drink from it!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:01 AM
Good morning Tonid,Jenise, Wardoggy and everyone..just a quick drop in to wish you good morning and to post a CPT e-mail.
CPTnet
August 20, 2004
IRAQ: Exposing the Occupation in Najaf
By Peggy Gish
Once more, US forces are battling with Muqtada Al-Sadr's
Mehdi Army. The U.S. and Multinational Forces in Iraq (MNF-I) appear to be
winning this round, but in doing so, may lose the trust and loyalty of the
Iraqi people and Muslims around the world.
Though many Iraqis already see the Interim Government as little more
than a U.S. front and extension of the occupation, they feel the need to give
it a chance. Do they betray their people and support the siege of the Shia
holy shrine in Najaf and the killing of their fellow Iraqis? Or do they
refuse to cooperate and risk being left out of shaping the new Iraq? Some
government officials have resigned in protest. Many Iraqi police and
soldiers in the MNF-I have left their posts and refused to fight.
cont..
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 10:02 AM
cont..
The methods the MNF-I are using to deal with the Mehdi soldiers in Sadr
City and Najaf are disturbingly familiar to those of us in CPT, who have
worked in Iraq throughout the occupation. Once more, military forces are
handling acts of resistance with excessive force, in order to overpower the
opposition and determine Iraq's economic and political future.
The behavior of the military in Najaf seems consistent with
U.S. soldiers patrolling city streets, pointing their guns at people along
the way. It is consistent with U.S. forces invading homes in the middle of
the night, beating, binding and hooding the men, breaking furniture, and
taking the family's life savings and gold jewelry.
cont..
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 10:03 AM
CPT Cont..
We see again the collective punishment we have seen in previous months,
when we saw buildings bombed and whole neighborhoods or villages punished
for the violent acts of a few.
The issues involved are greater than U.S. troops taking the quicker,
"easier," or the more secure approach. Their operations have stemmed
from the underlying goals of the occupation. If building democracy and
addressing the needs of the people had been the real goal, they would have put
more effort into supporting local political and social movements that are
addressing problems of injustice. Instead, they marginalized leaders or
organizations that have publicly criticized the occupation and did
little to encourage real dialogue among divergent Iraqi voices. Immediately after
the invasion, U.S. officials instituted a system that continued feeding the
pockets of the rich international corporations, rather than granting
jobs and contracts to the Iraqi skilled and professional working force.
I wonder how many more villages and neighborhoods the MNF-I will encircle and bomb to bring security in Iraq? How many other countries will the US government invade to maintain control around the world? The problems with excessive violence, injustice, and political and economic control of other countries is that they don't really solve the underlying problems and lead toward peace and democracy, but elicit more violence from those occupied.
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 10:04 AM
It allow you to use you mic to type your post..
Don't have to type much..
http://www.scansoft.com/naturallyspeaking/
You can surf the net a bit with it..
If you hand get too bad it might help..
Does the typing help your hands sometimes??
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:06 AM
The way I see it, we all do things when we are young that we maybe should not have. That is part of the process of learning. But we all move on from there.
Someone once told me that if you look back you are looking at your ass. To dwell on the past leaves you no room to move forward.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:06 AM
Morning my dear DAr. Hope all is well with you too.
Does the typing help your hands sometimes??
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:06 AM
Yes, Wardog, it does. Thats why I continue to do it. Lost a lot of my speed at typing, 60 WPM, but
I still want to continue as long as possible.
Keeps my fingers from stiffening as much. Worst time is first thing in the AM
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:09 AM
I agree toni..
With all the year in the Senate there is plenty to talk about that counts..
The debates will refocus folks on the issues..
The debates will probably decide the election..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:11 AM
Morning Darlene..
When do leave on your trip?
Are you excited??
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:13 AM
good morning, wardog...i'm really not the moore devotee you seem to think i am, but how do you think he 'poisoned the political well'? can you explain to me?
good morning darlene...glad to see you feeling a bit better (how did your tests go?)...thank you for the CPT post...it's really valuable to see from inside...espcially this
"We see again the collective punishment we have seen in previous months,
when we saw buildings bombed and whole neighborhoods or villages punished
for the violent acts of a few."
good morning, tonid...hope today is one of your better days...are you feeling okay?
besides the issue i brought up (which still breaks my heart), i guess what struck me most about F911 was the vicious cycle it showed of frightened u.s. soldiers frightening iraqis with excessive force and pushing them to want to strike back which then puts the soldiers in more fear...one of the soldiers interviewed said "you cannot kill someone without killing part of your soul" ...goes for both sides, i guess...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:14 AM
"How many other countries will the US government invade to maintain control around the world? The problems with excessive violence, injustice, and political and economic control of other countries is that they don't really solve the underlying problems and lead toward peace and democracy, but elicit more violence from those occupied."
yes, yes, yes, exactly, darlene
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:16 AM
This law takes us back 60 years. I know many people with families that cannot make it on what they are now being paid along with over-time. Things are more expensive than they were, and I am talking the necessities not the luxuries.
Rules for Overtime Pay to Take Effect
Employers, Workers Confused by Regulations on Eligibility, Classification
By Amy Joyce
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A08
After months of heated debate, a major revision, protests and an unsuccessful legislative assault, the most sweeping changes to the nation's overtime rules in more than 50 years take effect tomorrow.
Workers who earn less than $23,660 annually will become automatically eligible for overtime pay, a boost from the current threshold of $8,060, set in the 1970s. That change is "the most objective bright line standard" in the dense, complex regulations, said Tom Farmer, a senior consultant with Hewitt Associates, a human resources consulting firm. He predicts thousands of workers will begin earning overtime immediately because of the higher threshold.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21925-2004Aug21.html?referrer=email
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:16 AM
"But MM poisoned the political well.."
No, that would be the Bush family and Karl Rove.
See this ad featuring McCain and W
http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php
also see
Big lies for Bush
August 22, 2004
IMAGINE IF supporters of Bill Clinton had tried in 1996 to besmirch the military record of his opponent, Bob Dole. After all, Dole was given a Purple Heart for a leg scratch probably caused, according to one biographer, when a hand grenade thrown by one of his own men bounced off a tree. And while the serious injuries Dole sustained later surely came from German fire, did the episode demonstrate heroism on Dole's part or a reckless move that ended up killing his radioman and endangering the sergeant who dragged Dole off the field?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 10:18 AM
http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/oldtricks.php
yes, i saw it earlier today...bush/rove et al are truly disgusting in their tactics...absolutely no integrity!
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:19 AM
Inside the mind of a terrorist
On the eve of the third anniversary of 9/11, a compelling new film goes inside al-Qaeda's Hamburg cell, the group of Islamic radicals who changed the world with their ruthless suicide attacks. Ronan Bennett, who wrote the film, explains what drove them to martyrdom
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1288289,00.html
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:24 AM
I must admit that I was more of a centrist before bush took the presidency. I am now leaning more left than ever in my life.
Wardog, I just cannot see your vision of all this.
Bush and Co truly scares me.
I really wasn't a Gore fan but never ever liked the bush family.
Call it woman's intuition, or whatever, but I do truly believe that the Bush Admin is truly evil and are hell bent to proceed on their own agenda and everyone else be damned.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:25 AM
Even supporters of the film admit that its propaganda..
With all the issues there on the table..
Michael Moore wants to focus on the first seven minutes of the attack..
Spends time making fun of people putting on makeup..
And puts together a charge about the Saudis leaving the country that has been proven to be false..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:27 AM
"Wardog, I just cannot see your vision of all this."
tonid, that's exactly what i wanted to ask of wardog, just couldn't find the words to put it civilly...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:28 AM
I know, Jenise. I have many republican friends and don't see the reason to end a freindship over politics. Many wonderful people!!!
I just don't agree with them on some issues.
But deep down they have many of the same concerns that we have. Social Secrity, Health Care, Education, and thay also are losing jobs and opportunities.
That is why I am so concerned about the great skism this country is in. But I feel that it is the great plan of this admin to devide and conquor!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:32 AM
ah yeah, wardog, i agree that michael moore is one of the least subtle filmmakers out there (though at this point i'm not sure that's a negative)...anything, though, can be labelled propaganda...surely you see that...propaganda is in the eye of the beholder...
funny, what you mention were the least striking moments of the film to me...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:35 AM
"Wardog, I just cannot see your vision of all this."
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Having worked with Nuclear Weapons..
I can easily see the US loosing one or more cities..
Lets say LA and Denver..
Gives you a nice fallout pattern over the rest of the conuntry..
I have worked on weapons no bigger than a basketball..
That had more destructive power than the Herosima bomb..
We could be less than 3 years from that attack..
Then Jims vision of government takeover will be real..
Saddam want to build it..
Lybia was well on the way..
Iran admits it is thier goal..
And Korea already has them..
The axis of evil..
Coming to you neighborhood soon!
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:40 AM
"hell bent to proceed on their own agenda and everyone else be damned."
i just don't see why republicans don't see that they too are part of this 'everyone else' (wardog that includes you, you know?)... i know your frustration, tonid...talking to my dad may give me a heart attack one day...it's good to see your posts, though, teaches me some patience and civility in these situations...thank you.
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:40 AM
Sunday, August 22, 2004
Saving the Oceans
Page B06
OVER THE PAST year and a half, two blue-ribbon panels -- the Pew Oceans Commission and the U.S. Commission on Ocean Policy -- have put together major reports on the state of America's coastal waters. The reports, broadly speaking, agree on a depressing reality: This country's oceans are in trouble and absent dramatic policy changes will be irreversibly damaged. Both groups make extensive recommendations for averting such a catastrophe, which would both devastate major economic interests and constitute a fundamental betrayal of society's stewardship of its natural treasures. Over the past century this country has developed a commitment to preserving forest and desert wilderness, protecting air quality and safeguarding land-based species. The message of the two commissions is that policymakers must show a similar commitment to America's territorial waters, which comprise an area larger than the land mass of the United States.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/print/editorials/?referrer=email
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:42 AM
"Iran admits it is thier goal..
And Korea already has them..
The axis of evil..
Coming to you neighborhood soon!"
coming to your neighborhood soon and brought to you by your reagan administrations and on...
wardog, please answer me this...why would iran or north korea or anyone else listen to the country with the greatest nuclear/arms arsenal in the world telling them that *they* can't have nuclear weapons? (especially when we're preparing for a winnable nuclear war)
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:45 AM
Wardog, We are killing our planet with bad judgement. See the post on the oceans.
Whis war we are in now does not help to stop or curtail the want for nuclear power, it promotes it.
Nobody likes a bully, and that is what our nation has become
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:46 AM
Is is not their having the weapons..
As much as the goals of their leaders..
Many countries have them..
You have to ask who would use them..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:48 AM
"You have to ask who would use them.."
and you think we wouldn't? i don't believe that, but even if i did, why on earth would a libyan or an iranian or an iraqi believe that? and if they ever did believe that, why would they believe it after the past three years? please answer this for me.
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:51 AM
We cannot stop nuclear proliforation by being th Lone Ranger. And that is what we are right now.
Our Admin is disliked throughout the world.
We will always and have always had a crazed leader somewhere in the wolrd.
The idea is to isolate him with a group of world leaders working together, not alone.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:52 AM
"You have to ask who would use them.."
You have to ask how many have had nuclear bombs for how long now, and how many have actually used them against another country.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 10:54 AM
"The idea is to isolate him with a group of world leaders working together, not alone."
that's exactly it, tonid, and we're fast becoming the ones who are isolated...look at the positions blair and koizumi are in in their own countries because they've supported the u.s.
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 10:55 AM
Things are really looking UGLY...
Baghdad, August 22 (NNN): As rebels and Iraqi religious officials prepare to continue talks, US-led forces late on Saturday bombarded Najaf lighting up the night sky after the repeated air strikes, which followed a day of relative calm amid the continued stand-off around the Imam Ali shrine.
http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=082204011307
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 10:56 AM
The Army Overreacts
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page B06
IN THE HEAT of combat, good soldiers follow orders and react quickly to accomplish the mission. But the best soldiers, while fulfilling those paramount obligations, also think and perhaps see problems that may be impeding the mission's success. Capt. Oscar R. Estrada did exactly that when he wrote his on-the-ground observations as an Army Reserve civil affairs specialist, observations that appeared in The Post's Outlook section in June. How can the Army win hearts and minds, he asked, if it also must shoot at Iraqis while trying to fix a water treatment plant? His views were anguished and perceptive, highlighting the Americans' dilemma: that because U.S. troops are so often under attack while trying to help rebuild and stabilize the country, they often have to respond with firepower that further inflames anti-American sentiment. Indeed, as reported by The Post's Thomas E. Ricks, Capt. Estrada's views are shared by some senior military officials who say a less visible U.S. Army presence might lower anti-American hostility; most units are seeking to lower their public profile
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22485-2004Aug21.html?referrer=email
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 10:56 AM
Libyia believed that we would stop them..
They quit making the bomb and went the other way..
Iran will not be allowed to make weapons..
I believe that the troops are being taken out of Korea because you can not threaten to use nuclear weapons with your own troops in the field.
If you don't fight this war now is will come to us.
Imagine no Washington DC..
And millions of guns on american streets..
It can still be avoided..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:59 AM
Wardog, I like you and think you are most likely a great person...but you have a very cynical outlook. Why wage war when the other options have not really been tried.
The whole world have been sitting on their hands while things have been building up.
The war we should be waging is putting together a real United Nations to try to prevent this from happening in the future.
Again, I say, we cannot do this alone!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:01 AM
"It can still be avoided.."
wardog, that doesn't answer the question at all...nuclear war was avoided during the cold war, but that hasn't resolved the problem...we're right back where we were then or even worse...can you not see how current policy would make these countries develop these weapons at any cost?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:02 AM
I wish we had more support in this..
But they are not the target..
As a matter of fact it would serve the goals of France to have the US hit and in turmoil..
We can not turn our defense over the to committee at the UN.
When it comes to enforcement we are the UN.
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:06 AM
weapons at any cost?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That cost is very high..
Again.. the weapons exist..
Democratic countries are not targeting the US.
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:09 AM
Washington accused of ignoring nuclear terror threat
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
22 August 2004
The Bush administration insists that its top priority is keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of terrorists. But in a withering new book, one of America's foremost nuclear weapons experts argues that the White House has been so heedless of the threat that nuclear armageddon in one or more US cities is now "more likely than not" over the next decade.
Graham Allison, a former defence official under both Republican and Democratic administrations and now a leading researcher at Harvard, describes the Bush administration as "reckless" for its failure to secure fissile materials around the world and its apparent lack of interest in preventing North Korea and Iran from becoming nuclear powers. In his book Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe, Mr Allison lays out a series of measures to minimise the risk that al-Qa'ida or another group could either build or buy a nuclear weapon and then smuggle it into the United States.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=553841
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:11 AM
and how many have actually used them against another country.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 10:54 AM
um, yes, and that would be us and us, right?
wardog, we are enforcement for the un, because we've worked to weaken the un...funny how we tout the virtues of rule by law within our borders, but refuse to uphold international law ourselves...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:12 AM
He demonstrates that the Bush White House, for all its bullish rhetoric, has taken none of them.
"No one observing the behaviour of the US government after 9/11 would note any significant changes in activity aimed at preventing terrorists from acquiring the world's most destructive technologies," he writes. At the same time, al-Qa'ida is known to have taken steps to obtain nuclear weaponry since 1992, and has publicly stated its ambition to kill four million Americans.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:13 AM
That story tell of the problem ..
You can only control the part of the bomb to a point..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:14 AM
A further 43 countries have varying amounts of fissile material as by-products of their civilian nuclear power industries, but as things stand the US is only willing to take this off their hands if they pay for the privilege.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:14 AM
perfect timing, tonid...notice this part of the article wardog?
Hence the urgent need to secure the world's relatively restricted stockpiles of that fissile material - either highly enriched uranium or plutonium. However, a programme for securing nuclear materials in the former Soviet Union, pioneered by US Senators Sam Nunn and Richard Lugar, has been so poorly funded that it will take another 13 years to finish at the current pace.
face it please, wardog...your president is less concerned about nuclear bombs being dropped on americans than on funding wars that will profit his friends...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:16 AM
My time has run out..
Time for the bike ride..
But if you have a plan to keep a nuclear bomb out of terrorist hands ..
I would love to hear it..
How would you keep Iran from handing off a bomb??
Be back later ..
Have fun..
Nader has your answers...
Wado..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:18 AM
Amirul Mumineen, Ali ibn Abi Talib - Najaf and Kufa, Iraq
http://archive.mumineen.org/publications/Humble_Tribute/page3.html
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 11:21 AM
huh, well tonid, i guess we brought up questions wardog has no answers for...i'm beginning to think his bike riding is only there as a way to escape the real issues...
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:22 AM
michael moore is just a film maker
how can he be compared to politicians?
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You have to ask who would use them..
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 10:48 AM
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amerca would use them
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i see a threat coming from certain factions in some of those countries you mentioned, but it is no less of a threat than the US, in fact, it seems likely that the US and friends will be the ones to use them...
america protects the global corporate control system, why would anyone want to rebel?
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but libya, dog?
thats the biggest hoax there ever was!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 11:23 AM
Jenise,
That is Wardog's typical out. He's a true character, but I guess we all are in our own way.
To answer your question of earlier, I am okay. I have Rheumatoid Arthritis, an auto-immune desease that attacks the joints. Sometimes it rears it's ugly head but I am trying to keep it under control with medicines.
But right now I am fine. Thanks for asking.
I really want to read this new book I think is called "Reinventing Pearl Harbor".
Many people are raving about it. Our Library doen't have it yet.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:26 AM
OUR BOYS WANT TO COME HOME AND NOBODY IS LISTENING!
Lt. Gen. Thomas F. Metz admitted, "As much as I would love the Iraqis to love me, and my doctrine tells me I want to win the hearts and minds, I know I'm not going to do that."
He's right. But few of his superiors seem to have accepted that reality.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20338-2004Aug20.html
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 11:26 AM
Amirul Mumineen, Ali ibn Abi Talib - Najaf and Kufa, Iraq
it always makes me smile when i see what amazing things the human mind can do with tile and color...
just have to say, thank god tonid is on this blog!
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Hey....Dada....Morning Dude!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:27 AM
just have to say, thank god tonid is on this blog!
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:27 AM
Thanks Jenise. Like to see you on too. Your outlook by living in a foreign country is wonderful and very important to the blog as well.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:30 AM
So the person going by 'WarDog' thinks nuclear weapons are ONLY safe if they are in US possession?
& they're ONLY dangerous if somebody else has 'em???
****************************************************************
Posted this over on the MS blog, but thought I'd cross-post:
**Re: the whole 'Kerry voted for the war" thing - I seem to recall that @ the time, those arguing that it WAS a vote for war were countered (by the R'wing & other hawks) w/ the assertion
that it was NOT a vote for war, but merely an authorization for more presidential power.Is my memory wrong???
Did that bit go down the memory hole?
If my memory is correct, have many of those who now assert the resolution WAS war authorization, & John Kerry voted for it, FLIP-FLOPPED???**
Posted by: pinellas at August 22, 2004 11:31 AM
even germany, where the disco that had been bombed was
said that libya had nothing to do with it
that was american aggression all the way, and it was even timed for the evening news
--in german news they used the phrase "terror against terror" to describe the US actions against libya
("terror against terror" was an old gestapo slogan...when the gestapo went after anti-nazi resistance they called it "terror against terror")
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 11:32 AM
thank you very much, tonid ; )
i haven't heard of the book, but please let me know what you think when you get hold of it...
arthritis is a tough one, isn't it...my great aunt had some type of arthritis and i overheard a conversation btw her and my parents about some medicine she was using that she was getting from mexico (not fda approved)...i was nine at the time and have thought of her as a drug smuggler ever since! ...lol...she was quite a rebel in her day anyway...
hey dada, thanks again for googling for me...did you see what i found on the subject up blog?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:38 AM
The neocons have their talking points and never ever veer off of them. Remember, they think if you repeat things enough it will stick in everybody's mind as truth.
Makes me sick every time I hear them talk. Even with this ftacockta Swift boat lie thing. I am so tired of it I could scream and media just won't get off it.
Iraq is flaming again and the media is worried about the "Swift Boat" Jeeze Louise!!!
And now we have the evil twins Allawi and Negroponte!!! Urgh!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:38 AM
"So the person going by 'WarDog' thinks nuclear weapons are ONLY safe if they are in US possession?
& they're ONLY dangerous if somebody else has 'em???"
so many people seem to think so, don't they pinella...infuriates me no end...
"that was american aggression all the way, and it was even timed for the evening news"
did not know that, but in no way surprising...
sad how easy it is to paint any 'third world' country by that brush...*sigh*
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:42 AM
Good Article Fishgrease
IF the govt isn't honest with the people then the people must replace them...
John Kerry is potentially a far more qualified/competent leader than neocons and W, what's missing is the debate.
The Why's, the lies, the answers, the sacrifice, the support...
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 11:44 AM
Janeane won't like this movie, http://www.teamamericamovie.com
This according to the trailer. What up with that. They have her grouped with GW Bush...
Posted by: Shiney McShine at August 22, 2004 11:47 AM
Politics on Beaver Island
cute article...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20335-2004Aug20.html
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 11:51 AM
Anyone else as boiling angry as I am regarding these lying swift boat scum? Lower than the shadows of catfish shit, I swear if I see any of them on the street I'll kick their teeth out.
What was in the water all these years to reduce political debate to the knuckle dragging, slack jawed, imbecilic caricature of discourse we witness today?
How could a propaganda outhouse hole like Fox News even exist? Surely it wouldn't have been contenenced 30 years ago. Have we, as a nation become so lacking in thought beyond the depths of a mud puddle that the fast food, reality show consumers truly believe this shit?
Now that one of the few who REALLY were with Kerry that day has spoken out one should consider the matter closed but some sick part of the American psyche (perhaps the same that slow traffic to a crawl so they can gape at accident victims, whose forefathers can be seen in the old photographs of lynchings with smirks and gleaming eyes)
If we continue to permit liars to have a platform, to allow obvious Bushco propaganda arms like Fox News to air and pussy foot around in interviews with previracators (sic) rather that get up in their fucking faces and call them what they are then we deserve to be treated like the mindless herds that Bushco considers us.
This will be America's last chance to save itself. Kerry for now and the next four years growing a new party that truly represents the common sense that we, so many voiceless yet reasonable Americans desire.
Bushco failed beyond a very small group of wild eyed "religious" fanatic hypochristians, to divert this season's debate to abortion (which he's done nothing about in his money making term) or Gay marriages (which he's done nothing about in his wrong way war term) and many Americans want to discuss real issues like his failure in Iraq, his abandonment of long time allies Taiwan and Korea to his (and the Walton's) new friends, the communist Chinese. Americans want to know why their aging parents have to go outside the country for affordable medicine (though it's made here and even that route is being strangled) why over a third of us have no health care.
The same cynical beast that controlled this country
Posted by: Dutch Masters at August 22, 2004 11:51 AM
Michelle Malkin, Deposed Leader of the Coalition of the Insane
Submitted by Oliver Willis on Thu, 08/19/2004 - 10:17pm.
Republican Noise Machine | Right-Wing Stupidity | Video
Michelle Malkin decided to make *hit up and say that John Kerry shot himself to get a medal in Vietnam, because he knew with his psychic powers that he'd be running for president 35+ years later. Michelle must have forgotten that she wasn't on Fox or some Heritage foundation shindig because Chris Matthews smacked it down so hard you could actually feel it comin' through your tv screen. Click "read more" to watch the crime in progress
http://www.oliverwillis.com/node/view/329/
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:55 AM
Yes! Yes! Yes! Mr.Masters
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 11:57 AM
Does anyone know if the ill used slang, "flip-flop", was originally introduced by brain dead re-pubs as a lame way to counter any action by any opposition?
Posted by: Shiney McShine at August 22, 2004 11:57 AM
UPDATE: Keith Olbermann:
Michelle Malkin, the unfortunate and overmatched author of a self-loathing book that attempts to justify our World War II internment and robbery of Americans of Japanese heritage, became the harbinger of the next mucky smell of low tide. She raised the story— heretofore consigned largely to Robert Novak and everybody to his right— in that delightful, Teflon way of modern politics: ‘I’m not saying that John Kerry shot himself. But in the Swift Boat Veterans’ book, they ask whether or not his wounds were self-inflicted.’
If Ms. Malkin isn’t seen on television, or moving on her own power, in the next few days, it’s understandable. My colleague Mr. Matthews forced her to hang herself out to dry ten or eleven times (never prouder of you, Chris). He may have directed the momentum, but her wounds were ultimately, uh, self-inflicted.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 11:57 AM
hey pablo...i didn't get to respond to you yesterday
i'm really into traditional music from all over also, especially india
i love seeing everyones musical influences...brings some culture to this blog
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 11:58 AM
THE RACE TO THE WHITE HOUSE
Bush Aims to Solidify His Base
Ensuring a large GOP turnout might be more important than winning swing voters, a strategist says. Kerry's focus remains the undecided.
By Ronald Brownstein, Times Staff Writer
WASHINGTON — Even as President Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry cross each other's tracks through the same battleground states, their strategies for winning November's election appear to be diverging.
In campaign appearances and advertising purchases, both are still intensely courting the relatively small number of undecided or loosely committed voters.
But the Bush campaign's strategy is focused much more on the possibility that the race will be decided primarily by mobilizing the party faithful in closely fought states, not persuading swing voters.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-strategy22aug22,1,3635747.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:05 PM
Americans want to discuss real issues like his failure in Iraq, his abandonment of long time allies Taiwan and Korea to his (and the Walton's) new friends, the communist Chinese.
Our counrty could fall down around the ears of these so called followers of the Bush faith and as long as Walmart was open and their TV would play they would not give a shit!
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:07 PM
Voters With Eyes Wide Shut
How informed is the electorate, researchers ask, and does it really matter?
By Jerry Schwartz, Associated Press Writer
From her work station in western Montana, Kelly Flanagan can see America's beauty, and she can hear America's ignorance.
Each day, from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., the 21-year-old volunteer looks out at the mountains and answers the phone. The calls to Project Vote Smart come from New York and New Mexico, from California and Connecticut, from Americans who want to be good voters but just don't know how.
Who is my congressman? they ask. How can I reach him? How do I register to vote? Who is running for office? Where do they stand on the issues?
Some of them know exactly what to ask. But others, she says, "have a very vague idea of what they want" — they are stumbling through the labyrinth of American democracy without a map.
There are many of those people, and come November, they will help choose the next leader of the most powerful country on the planet.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:07 PM
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-tank22aug22,1,1489241.story?coll=la-headlines-world
THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ
Militia Found a Gap in U.S. Armor
A simple yet audacious attack by a guerrilla fighter in Najaf killed two American soldiers in their 69-ton Abrams tank.
By Edmund Sanders
Times Staff Writer
August 22, 2004
NAJAF, Iraq — To his buddies, 2nd Lt. Mike Goins looked indestructible atop his Abrams tank as he maneuvered through Najaf's besieged cemetery.
His command of the 69-ton machine in the maze-like graveyard led a superior to dub the 6-foot-3-inch soldier his "killer tanker."
"He loved that tank and believed he was invincible in it," said Capt. Kevin Badger, commander of the "Mad Dogs" company of the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment. "He believed his training and his equipment could defeat the enemy."
But a week ago, Goins and his loader, Spc. Mark Zapata, fell victim to a surprise attack that stunned soldiers at the military base here for both its simplicity and audacity. A member of rebel cleric Muqtada Sadr's Al Mahdi militia quietly scaled the back of the tank in broad daylight with an AK-47, shot the men at point-blank range through the open hatch, and fled.
Both soldiers were killed.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:12 PM
Aug. 22, 2004, 12:16AM
GOP hypocrisy on trial in important Senate race
Cragg Hines wonders why the White House thinks some personal-injury lawyers are absolutely fabulous and others are simply rotten.
By CRAGG HINES
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle
If trial lawyers are so bad, why has the Bush administration dispatched one to seek an open U.S. Senate seat in Florida now held by a Democrat?
The answer seems obvious: It hoped no one would notice.
But that would have taken some doing, because the anointed one, Mel Martinez, President Bush's former Housing secretary, is no less than the one-time president of the Florida trial lawyers' association.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/editorial/outlook/2749848
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:15 PM
hey dada, thanks again for googling for me...did you see what i found on the subject up blog?
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 11:38 AM
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ya this was a really great one, jenise
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"There was another reason for the Senate Democrats' unanimous opposition to any further election protest. Non-support to any House objections was agreed as part of a back room deal between Democratic Senate leader Tom Daschle and Republican Senate leader Trent Lott, in which the Democrats will share equally in committee seats and congressional staff positions in the newly organized Senate. The Republicans will hold all the committee and subcommittee chairmanships and Lott will still be majority leader, thanks to the tie-breaking vote held by incoming Vice President Richard Cheney."
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i guess gore was in a tough position...
though the back-room musical chairs does say alot in the way of explanation
it is a bit depressing, and yet not surprising...
i still wonder how much the threat of "something horrible happening" to anyone in opposition influences the descisions of these politicians
kind of reminds me of this...
If the present Congress
errs in too much talking,
how can it be otherwise,
in a body in which the people
send one hundred and fifty lawyers,
whose trade it is to
question everything,yeild nothing,
and talk by the hour?-
That one hundred and fifty lawyers
should do buisness together
ought not to be expected.
---Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:15 PM
The McGreevey scandal: An Israeli-Rove Connection?
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
August 16, 2004—Here we go again. Another political bombshell hits
the American people and there is yet another connection to the
subterranean labyrinth of possible Israeli intelligence activities.
New Jersey Democratic Governor Jim McGreevey's announcement on August
12 that he was resigning because of his involvement in a gay
relationship with an Israeli national may be the tip of an iceberg
that represents another high-level Israeli attempt to burrow into the
most sensitive areas of U.S. national security and our political
process. The surprise announcement is also being used by a number of
neoconservative news outlets to tarnish the Democratic Party and
absolve Israel of any connection to the New Jersey political scandal.
http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/081604Madsen/081604madsen.htm
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Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:17 PM
Oil Imports: Paying for Terrorism?
Here is the letter presently circulating:
Nothing is more frustrating to me than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.
It turns out that some oil companies import a lot of middle eastern oil and others do not import any. I thought it might be interesting for Americans to know which oil companies are the best to buy their gas from.
Here is the list: Top 4 companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 -8/31/01). By the way, 86% of all Middle Eastern oil comes from Saudi Arabia and Iraq:
Shell 205,742,000 barrels of oil
Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000
Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000
Marathon 117,740,000
If you do the math at $30/barrell, these imports amount to about $18 billion. That's a lot of money.
Here are some large companies that do not import much Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo 0 barrels of oil
Sunoco 0
Conoco 0
Sinclair 0
Phillips 0
BP Amoco 62,231,000
All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and can be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car; share it with friends.
Stop paying for terrorism!
This is definitely and issue that Repubies don't want to talk about!
Hit them right in the teeth...
They let us down
911 Happened on their WATCH!
911 Happened on their WATCH!
911 Happened on their WATCH!
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 12:18 PM
IT'S THE OIL, BABY!!!!!
Dick Cheney, Hugo Chavez and Bill Clinton's Band
Why Venezuelans have voted again for their 'negro e indio' president
By Greg Palast
Online Journal Guest Writer
August 16, 2004—There's so much BS and baloney thrown around about
Venezuela that I may be violating some rule of US journalism by
providing some facts. Let's begin with this: 77 percent of
Venezuela's farmland is owned by 3 percent of the population, the
'hacendados.'
http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/081604Palast/081604palast.htm
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Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:19 PM
yes, dada, that jefferson quote fits perfectly, it seems to me too...and "something horrible" can never be too far from the thoughts, i imagine...heartbreaking really...
all i can say is thank god for the black caucus (at least in this instance) that we at least have in the nobility of failure a conscience...
okay i should go read through the rest of tonid's links and at the blog next door...
thank you all for being here.
Posted by: jenise at August 22, 2004 12:22 PM
THOMAS OLIPHANT
Smear by veterans may hurt Bush
By Thomas Oliphant, Globe Staff | August 22, 2004
WASHINGTON
I HAVE VIVID memories of John E. O'Neill's first incarnation as an attack dog trained to go after John Kerry more than 33 years ago, using techniques that are quite familiar as he goes about the same task today. Like Kerry, he was a lot younger then, fresh from the war that still raged in Vietnam and still raged here as well. But then as now he was playing a carefully obscured role that made it nearly impossible to consider him an independent human being.
As The New York Times reported last week, O'Neill had been selected by Richard Nixon's White House to counter the profound impact that Vietnam Veterans Against the War were having on public opinion in the spring of 1971. As the Times also reported, Nixon's political henchman, Chuck Colson, had specifically recruited the Navy lieutenant, like Kerry a swift boat commander in the war, to debate the antiwar movement's freshest star on Dick Cavett's television program.
Those facts, however, only scratch the surface of a put-up-job that resonates today as President Bush tries to campaign against someone who has the military credentials and background he lacks. The more complete truth is that O'Neill was recruited to front for something the Nixon White House was experienced in creating out of thin air -- "citizens" groups that supported various embattled administration policies
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/08/22/smear_by_veterans_may_hurt_bush?mode=PF
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:23 PM
Talk later Jenise. Have a great rest of the evening.
Lots to digest today.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:25 PM
dadalux,
hey pablo...i didn't get to respond to you yesterday
i'm really into traditional music from all over also, especially india
i love seeing everyones musical influences...brings some culture to this blog
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 11:58 AM
Hey good buddy, I agree wholeheartedly. If I come to the table for nothing else it's to follow the links. Occassionly mettle in people's business. HAHAHAHA
Same the link in iTunes radio i can appreciate it. After the Indians have done considerably well and are trynig to make life better for their fellow countrymen by giving back.
Just can't get over all the red dye all over the place. They gotta clean that stuff up:)
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 12:27 PM
hey t!
i dont say it enough, but you rock!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:27 PM
If you do the math at $30/barrell, these imports amount to about $18 billion. That's a lot of money.
Here are some large companies that do not import much Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo 0 barrels of oil
Sunoco 0
Conoco 0
Sinclair 0
Phillips 0
BP Amoco 62,231,000
Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch/Shell, BP and Phillips Petroelum Co. were among a group of eight oil companies chosen by Saudi Arabia to take part in a $25 billion gas-development program in that country. It is the biggest opening of Saudi Arabia’s oil and gas industry to outsiders since the 1970s.
How does Phillips have 0?
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:28 PM
Never give up, Dean urges
Ex-candidate campaigns for local Democrats
By JUSTIN GEST
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle
Former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean told a group of party activists in Houston to stay persistent and not lose hope even if they believe they are outnumbered in their home state.
"People think Texas is George W. Bush country," Dean told hundreds packed into the Houston International Theatre School on Saturday. "But right now, 40 percent of Texans would vote for a yellow dog before they place a vote for George W. Bush."
Criticizing the Bush administration for failures in education, health care, job creation and national security, the former Vermont governor said his visit was part of his grass-roots "Democracy For America" campaign to promote progressive activism to challenge Republicans in office.
"This is about ordinary people running for office, because politics is too important to be left to professional politicians," Dean said. "Even in the most conservative county in Texas."
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/metropolitan/2751381
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:28 PM
hey t!
i dont say it enough, but you rock!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:27 PM
Thanks Dada. You rock too!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:30 PM
That oil article can make you so mad!!! They just change the laws and do whatever they want now.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:33 PM
More Hogwash from Falwell!!
Aug. 21, 2004, 11:03PM
Falwell's law school takes lean to the right
Grads will be groomed to bring a conservative perspective to the nation's courts
By CHRIS KAHN
Associated Press
ROANOKE, VA. - The Rev. Jerry Falwell will open a law school this month in hopes of training a generation of attorneys who will fight for conservative causes.
ADVERTISEMENT
"We want to infiltrate the culture with men and women of God who are skilled in the legal profession," Falwell said in a telephone interview Tuesday. "We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."
Graduates of the law school — part of Falwell's Liberty University in Lynchburg, which is affiliated with his Baptist ministry — could tackle such issues as abortion rights and gay marriage, Falwell said. Classes begin Monday for the first-year class of 61 law students.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/nation/2749416
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:35 PM
Do you want us to go blind, Tonid? Enough!
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 12:38 PM
Posted on Sat, Aug. 21, 2004
Guards, Reservists speak out
Daschle: Those who sacrifice should be treated fairly
By Russ Keen
American News Writer
The United States may find itself short of National Guard and Army Reserve soldiers unless they get a fairer shake, some area military personnel and their families said Friday.
"Health insurance would be a big plus for retention and recruitment," said Sgt. Jeff Wacholz of the Aberdeen-based Bravo Battery of the 2nd Battalion, 147th Field Artillery, South Dakota National Guard. Wacholz is home on leave for a few days from active duty in Iraq with Bravo Battery.
Currently, the federal government provides health insurance to reservists and Guard members and their families while they are on active duty. The benefit ends when they return to civilian life.
Knowing for sure when such returns will take place would also be a big plus for soldiers who are not part of the regular Army, said Barb Wacholz, the sergeant's wife and leader of the local support group for soldiers' families.
"Not knowing: That has to be the absolute worst," Barb said. "It's like a roller coaster ride. Dates and time lines would make it more bearable."
The Wacholzes made their comments to Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., at the United Defense plant in Aberdeen on Friday morning. United Defense hosted a panel discussion featuring Daschle and some area Guard and Reserve members, mostly workers at United Defense. The military contractor employs about 140 in Aberdeen.
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/9460663.htm
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:39 PM
Okay, Okay. I'll stop for awhile.
Wardog left so I can't argue with him, so I post.
Need to take a break anyway.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 12:40 PM
Hey tonid, good morning glad you're feeling better.
Downloaded 911 Commission Exe Summary 30 key issues they are stressing need be changed
They want to pull intelligence away from DoD??? Make an Spy Chief, MI5 sort of position accountable for mistakes like 911.
bUSh Admin govt-lifer, corrupt pro-Hell SOBs can't be trusted to create anything, but weighty turds...
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 12:43 PM
take a break if you like, t
but not because that smartass says so!
he's just a wisecracking cracker!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 12:44 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:46 PM
Why don't you chase some more people off the blog, Dada? Dada can say whatever he wants but no one else can have an opinion.
Haven't seen Will in Chicago for awhile.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 12:49 PM
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Go Go Johnny, Go Go
Johnny be (good?) Kickin' Repubies Ass.....OOOHHHHH YEAH
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 12:50 PM
poop.
ha.
poop.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 12:51 PM
I am sorry but I must repeat myself...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Palestinians have accused the United States of destroying the Middle East peace process after Washington signalled it could accept some growth of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
Until now the US had demanded the freezing of all building on land occupied in the 1967 Middle East war.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/540CF145-6FF4-483D-97EC-C6064C2DE557.htm
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:03 PM
God damn humps pickin' their noses with National Enquirer newsprint ink on their fingers worrying about "undesirables" invading their neighborhoods and "heathens" threatening to switch them from adolation of one flying fairy tale to another and considering a pampered, obtuse and priveledged rich boy who talks "texican" but was born in Connecticut and raised and schooled (sort of) in New England as "one of our'n", a "regular guy" who wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Eisenhower warned us but they went ahead and killed Kennedy and have had their way ever since.
Imagine the culture of a putrid petrie dish when invisioning the overfed, undernourished pack of buffoons who elected a fuckin' B actor whose ex-CIA (who doesn't remember where he was the day Kennedy was assassinated) sidekick made a deal with our enemies, Iran to HOLD AMERICANS HOSTAGE until they stole the White House.
A party who has used fear for 40 years to sway the unattentive, obese and obtuse populace with lies like "Welfare Queens driving Cadillacs" (never proven) who tried to shame needy people into accepting the bondage of evil doers like Wal Mart of whose 1.4 million servants hundreds of thousands are still forced into welfare to exist, whose racist leanings nearly scream (Willie Horton?), whose corporate handlers sell off the Middle Class to 3rd world nations whose kindred masters needed something to stem the inevitable world insurrection that would threaten the plans of the greedy polluters.
Lies
Iraq
Deficit
Outsourcing
Division of classes and races to control
fraud (Halliburton)
Posted by: Dutch Masters at August 22, 2004 01:08 PM
US warplanes pound Najaf
Saturday 21 August 2004, 10:35 Makka Time, 7:35 GMT
Explosions have rocked the old section of Najaf as US AC-130 warplanes have struck at al-Mahdi Army defences, witnesses in the city say.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9770C006-0066-440B-BB61-697E7BD357F2.htm
Egyptian cleric warns US of Najaf fallout
Sunday 22 August 2004, 0:23 Makka Time, 21:23 GMT
A leading Egyptian Islamic leader has warned that a "volcano of anger" could explode in response to US-led military action in Najaf and Falluja.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AA843409-E1C1-47F9-9717-DF04DA8BC53A.htm
Talks stall in tense Najaf
Sunday 22 August 2004, 19:26 Makka Time, 16:26 GMT
Amid intermittent clashes in Najaf, talks to end the standoff between US-led forces and militiamen loyal to Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr appear to stall.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7FE82A39-3A66-4FE1-9C27-F1487D29EA35.htm
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:09 PM
TOTAL lame media!
The blog rule. (Dkos break this story first with basic google search!) And now washingtonpost is reporting it only days late. (at least they are reporting it, unlike that mondo dubious NYTimes)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22539-2004Aug21.html
Cut-and-Paste Propaganda Infiltrates Opinion Pages
By Paul Farhi
Sunday, August 22, 2004; Page A06
The Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, N.Y., for example, ran a letter last month from a local reader that stated, "New-job figures and other recent economic data show that America's economy is strong and getting stronger, and that the president's jobs and growth plan is working."
The exact same phrasing also appeared in letters printed in about 20 other daily newspapers, including the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Idaho Statesman and the Augusta (Ga.) Chronicle.
It wasn't a remarkable coincidence. The letters -- known as "AstroTurf" for their ersatz quality -- were generated by a special cut-and-paste form on Bush's campaign Web site. In addition to providing helpful, ready-to-plagiarize phrases about the president's economic policies, the site also offers faux-letter fodder about such topics as homeland security, the environment, health care and "compassion" ("The President's compassion agenda is touching lives across the globe. . . .").
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:09 PM
~~~ I'll bet a game of checkers leaves you dumbfounded. ~~~
Evil Twin, if you're taking a cheap shot at humor here... or at me, fine. But have you ever SEEN Olympic grade ping pong? You would think it amazing. You might lie and say you didn't. But you would.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:12 PM
oh, give me a break, fruitcake
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As a matter of fact it would serve the goals of France to have the US hit and in turmoil..
war dog is funny
We can not turn our defense over the to committee at the UN.
When it comes to enforcement we are the UN.
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:06 AM
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he must mean the defense of corporate control
and the gruesome conditions in the third world
america means peace
therefore, if UN disagrees they are against peace
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Democratic countries are not targeting the US.
Posted by: War Dog at August 22, 2004 11:09 AM
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same idea...democratic countries are ones that agree with US, so of course they are not targeting US...if you disagree with US, you must be undemocratic...democratic means a country where the rich elite control politics
and anywhere in the world where that system is threatened, US goes to "restore order"
sometimes they go even if the system isn't threatened...as long as it seems profitable
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:17 PM
Yes I've seen Olympic level ping pong, and find it amazing that people would spend so many years at a sport, nay a game, that is best left to summer camp.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:18 PM
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:18 PM
if you disagree with US, you must be undemocratic...democratic means a country where the rich elite control politics
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:17 PM
Kind of like if someone disagrees with Dada, they must be an asshole.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:27 PM
Kind of like if someone disagrees with Dada, they must be an asshole.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:26 PM
haha. like an asshole. just like that. ha. that's good. because of the kind of.
[wipes away tear]
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:30 PM
i wouldn't feel bad if i chased you away evil twin
not even a little bit
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Washington accused of ignoring nuclear terror threat
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
22 August 2004
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but hello, mostly washington IS the nuclear terror threat
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But if you have a plan to keep a nuclear bomb out of terrorist hands ..
I would love to hear it..
How would you keep Iran from handing off a bomb??
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how bout starting by agreeing with the UN for the first time in 40 years?
US becomes a tool for the corrupt old system of economic domination to reinforce itself
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"stop Iran from handing off a bomb"
thats a funny one...handing off bombs...iran...
sounds familiar
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:30 PM
DO you guys read The Borowitz report? That guy can really make me laugh...
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 01:32 PM
Did Dada's precious feelings get hurt?
Perhaps if your were as sensitive to Will in Chicago's feelings as you want everyone to be to yours, he wouldn't have left.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:34 PM
Okay, had my rest!!! Now I am back and if you don't like it pass by it!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 01:37 PM
Dada is in prime form...
Well said.
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 01:39 PM
There was a reason you gave in so easily, Tonid, deep down you knew I was right.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:39 PM
i wouldn't feel bad if i chased you away evil twin
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actually, thats one of the things evil twins are for
another one is to be a jester
of course there is all that stuff and nonsense about integrating your shadow and all that...
do you need integrating, evil twin?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:40 PM
what are you talking about, evil twin?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:42 PM
do you need integrating, evil twin?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:40 PM
Maybe I do. The same way you need an editor.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:43 PM
Evil Twin,
Will in Chicago was very nice. I miss him too, but, discussions here may prove to step on another person's beliefs once in awhile. Can't let that stop anyone from discussing.
I may feel different thatn you on one issue and agree with the rest. Does that mean that I stop talking with you. My God, I argue with wardog all the time but I like him. He just has different views.
Evidently the Isreali issue was difficult for Will. We need to sort things out to see where all things that are happening now fall.
But infighting does not help the cause.
Ease up! We can't afford to lose sight of the main problems.
Can we all work together here please!?!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 01:44 PM
Whoa.....baby!
(This is published in weekly standard!)
http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2004/08/from-weekly-standard-andrew-ferguson.html
... in 2004, Republicans find themselves supporting a candidate, George W. Bush, with a slender and ambiguous military record against a man whose combat heroism has never (until now) been disputed. Further--and here we'll let slip a thinly disguised secret--Republicans are supporting a candidate that relatively few of them find personally or politically appealing. This is not the choice Republicans are supposed to be faced with. The 1990s were far better. In those days the Democrats did the proper thing, nominating a draft-dodger to run against George H.W. Bush, who was the youngest combat pilot in the Pacific theater in World War II, and then later, in 1996, against Bob Dole, who left a portion of his body on the beach at Anzio.
Republicans have no such luck this time, and so they scramble to reassure themselves that they nevertheless are doing the right thing, voting against a war hero. The simplest way to do this is to convince themselves that the war hero isn't really a war hero. If sufficient doubt about Kerry's record can be raised, we can vote for Bush without remorse. But the calculations are transparently desperate. Reading some of the anti-Kerry attacks over the last several weeks, you might conclude that this is the new conservative position: A veteran who volunteered for combat duty, spent four months under fire in Vietnam, and then exaggerated a bit so he could go home early is the inferior, morally and otherwise, of a man who had his father pull strings so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam in the first place.
Needless to say, the proposition will be a hard sell in those dim and tiny reaches of the electorate where voters have yet to make up their minds. Indeed, it's far more likely that moderates and fence-sitters will be disgusted by the lengths to which partisans will go to discredit a rival. But this anti-Kerry campaign is not designed to win undecided votes. It's designed to reassure uneasy minds.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:46 PM
~~~ Yes I've seen Olympic level ping pong, and find it amazing that people would spend so many years at a sport, nay a game, that is best left to summer camp. ~~~
Well, I boxed, and pay good money to see boxing matches now. And the ping pong I saw last night on TV showed much greater physical skill, exertion and excitement for the viewer than all but a few boxing matches I've seen this year.
But then, checkers, your example... would have beat some of the boxing I've seen on Showtime... the Fox News of Boxing.
Might I ask what you see as the most compelling Summer Olympics sport? Or do you just complain about everyone more physically adept than yourself?
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 01:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_theory_%28science%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_philosophy
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 01:47 PM
Evidently the Isreali issue was difficult for Will.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 01:44 PM
Exactly why a little sensitivity was necessary, but it was more important for Dada to get opinion across.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:47 PM
Morning Darling Dar. How are you?
That was a cute link. LMAO!!!
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 01:47 PM
hey d how's things?
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who said i want sensitivity to my feelings?
do unto others you know
what are my feelings anyway?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:47 PM
Jesus Christ, Fishgrease! Let it go. So I don't ping pong. Big deal.
Go back to making incorrect predictions about Iraq.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:50 PM
will made the same accusations of me
only difference is in the facts
sorry but thats the way it goes
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:52 PM
Getting defensive, Dada. Seems like I've struck a nerve. Will said no one came to his defense and he was right. I'm doing it now, but unfortunately it's too late.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:54 PM
The obsession with destroying great men.
The republican party is just this lost.
Swiftboat Vets for Truth
What the Definition of Is, IS &
Ketchup
http://www.stroudhall.com/shpages/meaningofis.html
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Bob_Barr
That's why we must continue to say
911 Happened on Their Watch!
911 Happened on Their Watch!
911 Happened on Their Watch!
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 01:55 PM
Exactly why a little sensitivity was necessary, but it was more important for Dada to get opinion across.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 01:47 PM
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i like this
i could never come off like an insensitive prick when i was younger, tho i tried, i was just too nice always
thanks evil twin, maybe the chicks will dig me more now that i have a bad reputation!
boo!
http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/magick/eliphas_levi_great_goat.gif
heh heh
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:59 PM
thanks evil twin, maybe the chicks will dig me more now that i have a bad reputation!
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 01:59 PM
Don't bet on it.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:00 PM
Evil twin,
Here is an example:
Many people on the blog were talking about religion, agnosticism, Atheism. If you are a very religious person, some of the things that were said could possibly hurt.
The idea here is to keep an open mind. Okay, that is your belief, or no belief. That is a person's choice.
What I am trying to say is, if you believe differntly, doesn't mean that you can't listen to another person's beliefs, and it doesn't mean that you will change your beliefs, but, if there is an inch of reason in that other person's view, it would behoove you to at least mull that view around in your own mind.
As you grow older, and if you continue to keep your mind open, your views change. What once was important is no longer.
I used to let the trolls really get to me but I don't anymore because that is what they wanted.
But they do add something here. They cause what they don't want to happen. We pull together more.
Sorry, I don't mean to lecture, but lets not fight amongst ourselves when we have all those facist, neocon, money grabbing assholes to fight!;)
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:00 PM
~~~ Jesus Christ, Fishgrease! Let it go. So I don't ping pong. Big deal. ~~~
No.. lets see. You get winded walking from one end of your lonely little apartment to the other. You've never excelled in sports of any fashion and indeed, haven't even attempted any since... ahem... summer camp... where the cruelty of other children made you feel so inadequate.
You're weak. You're a coward.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:01 PM
Who is this weak coward? Surely, we've seen him before.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:03 PM
Hi Dada..I have been reading the Borowitz's site and laughing all morning..avoiding news for a while..got to do that sometimes eh?
Hi Fish, and Pablo.....How are you today?
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 02:03 PM
you frame the issue in a very biased way evil twin
interesting approach
but facts are facts
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:04 PM
Hi Darlene...
*second attempt at posting this greeting*
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:05 PM
So we should pay no attention to the feelings of other bloggers, Tonid?
we have all those facist, neocon, money grabbing assholes to fight!;)
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:00 PM
And we're not fighting neocons here, we're just yakking on the internet.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:05 PM
Hello blog dwellers
Wassappening?
Posted by: RedRubin at August 22, 2004 02:06 PM
Who is this weak coward? Surely, we've seen him before.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:03 PM
Amazingly, I agree with something Wardog has said, "You call name, you lose".
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:08 PM
An effort to transcribe, publish, and index Rush Limbaugh's radio show.
Transcripts
June 27, 2003
June 16, 2003
June 9, 2003
June 6, 2003
May 27, 2003
May 20, 2003
May 13, 2003
April 23, 2003
April 10, 2003
April 4, 2003
April 3, 2003
March 28, 2003
March 21, 2003
March 19, 2003
March 17, 2003
March 13, 2003
March 11, 2003
March 7, 2003
March 3, 2003
February 23, 2003
http://www.rushtranscript.blogspot.com/
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:08 PM
ya d, i burn out on the news after a few days, then have to rest my brain for a while
also taking your mind off of problems sometimes helps the solutions to surface...
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:10 PM
And speaking of cowards, Fishgrease. Have you told Nobody how you feel about the way he has treated Darlene? Or did you remain silent?
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:10 PM
I am having computer problems...don't know what's up...I am having trouble staying connected..or can't post when I am connected, the page sticks.. I will try shutting down again..Sorry guys :(
*group hug*
Posted by: Darlenenbc at August 22, 2004 02:11 PM
I miss Chicago Will's input here... but... anyone who makes a public point of leaving this discussion forum is searching for a form of pity I'm incapable of providing. Its the poorest means of argument imaginable... giving up and expecting sympathy.
By the same reasoning, however... nothing is permanent. If Will were to return, he would immediately gather my respect for doing so.
Dada himself has said the same.
So, Twin, weak coward... there's the truth.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:12 PM
Evil Twin! GET BACK IN THE CLOSET! NOW!
frank.
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:13 PM
Furor grows over Cheney's remarks on Pearl Murder
http://www.forward.com/main/article.php?ref=greenberg20040819139
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:13 PM
So, Twin, weak coward... there's the truth.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:12 PM
When Colin Quinn was on Majority Report he said that liberals were just as intolerant as Conservatives. I've been looking for examples that would prove him wrong. I've yet to find any.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:15 PM
ok d...hurry back!
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evil twin are you new at this troll thing?
because it seems you only read half the manual
what happened to the trolls nowadays
they dont know no psychology
its so hard to find good trolls these days...
*sigh*
y'know, fish?
heh heh
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:15 PM
ya but evil troll...you just quoted colin quinn
look at yourself, dude
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:16 PM
frank,
Ever get a hold of muck?
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:17 PM
~~~ Have you told Nobody how you feel about the way he has treated Darlene? Or did you remain silent? ~~~
Well, weakness and cowardous personified, I discussed it with Darlene herself. She, unlike you, is filled with all life's courage and would prefer to handle Nobody herself -- which she has proven fully capable of.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:17 PM
Hello Dar,
My posts are taking a while also. Lots of good news on the blog and a whole lot of reasons why Bush must go.
You feel alright on this fine Sunday?
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 02:17 PM
look at yourself, dude
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:16 PM
No you look at yourself, Dude. If you were a real man you'd admit you could handled the situation with Will in Chicago. Everybody here agrees with me, that's why they aren't jumping in.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:18 PM
Ahhhh... its Frank!
That explains the weakness and cowardous!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:20 PM
. She, unlike you, is filled with all life's courage and would prefer to handle Nobody herself -- which she has proven fully capable of.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:17 PM
What a cop out. And you have the nerve to call me a coward. You should have said something and you know it.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:20 PM
These swift boats veteran ads are really pissing me off. It just proves how the right will argue either side of an issue just to smear their opponent. I mean can you imagine the outrage that would be coming from these guys if the roles were reversed and Bush was the decorated war hero? They’d be calling you an un-American piece of crap if you questioned his bravery. Instead we’re once again the bad guys because we’re questioning the veterans who never even served with Kerry, nice how that works.
Posted by: Lisa's Dad at August 22, 2004 02:20 PM
~~~ Everybody here agrees with me, that's why they aren't jumping in. ~~~
Can you READ? I just stated in no uncertain terms that I DO NOT agree with you! I'm with Dada!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:22 PM
And we're not fighting neocons here, we're just yakking on the internet.
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:05 PM
Wrong Dragon Breath. This blog is where we get the info we need to go on to other things in our lives we are involved with.
There is a slew of things that I do that you don't know about, with ref to getting the word out about the neocon idiots.
What are you doing here, and what are you here for?
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:22 PM
So I guess Darlene wouldn't have appreciated a little support from you, Fishgrease, her friend?
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:23 PM
NEW THREAD UP
NEW THREAD UP
NEW THREAD UP
Posted by: at August 22, 2004 02:24 PM
Tried again didn't you. But you arn't going to do it. Go argue with your wife.
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:25 PM
50.....50 U.S. Dead so far this month. 962 Total (we don't know how many of the many thousands maimed or despondent may have died of injuries in Germany or suicide at home)
To Compare;
............2003.........2004
March........65...........52
April........73..........135
May..........37...........80
June.........30...........42
July.........47...........54
August.......35...........50 (so far)
Really greeted us with flowers and candy haven't they?
http://icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx
Three years soon.....Where's Bin Laden tough guy?
Bush was a cheerleader at an all-boy's secluded school for the wealthy. His daddy went there where his nickname was "Lips"....ironic eh?
Here's the Bush history (mostly pre-imbecile) One can't help wonder what people were thinking when they let this wealth-toadying, war profiteering, pretentious, preening line of dullards reach high office.
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
At any time during the last four Bush generations one would be able to discern the contents of der uber-rich, like the Harriman's, meals by inspecting what was and is now their intestinal extensions, the Bush Family.
Posted by: Dutch Masters at August 22, 2004 02:25 PM
~~~ So I guess Darlene wouldn't have appreciated a little support from you, Fishgrease, her friend? ~~~
She got support from me. We email one another frequently. She didn't NEED my help with Nobody any more than I would need someone else's help to deal with you.
Darlene is my friend. Nobody is my friend. Neither would be so childish as to expect me to take sides. Both have courage. You, however, have obviously been running from fights your entire life.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:27 PM
You call name, you lose".
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:08 PM
i love that game!
i used to play that one with war dog
here's the trick
i am not calling you a dumbass...
i am not calling you a joke
i am not calling you a tool
"call me any name you like, i will never deny it"
--bob dylan, farwell angelina
farewell, angelina
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:28 PM
You just called me a troll, Dada. Why?
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:32 PM
Nobody is my friend.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 22, 2004 02:27 PM
Then why did you post that you were glad that he was gone?
Checkmate
Posted by: The Evil Twin at August 22, 2004 02:34 PM
Praetorian coups d'état
By Nancy Miller Saunders
Online Journal Contributing Writer
August 20, 2004—Within living memory, the United States has suffered
six cabals designed to seize the presidency from the voters. Three
succeeded, three did not. Five are known, one is not. All are
(officially) denied. And all were instigated against Democrats by a
Republican Praetorian Guard that believes only they should control
the country.
http://onlinejournal.com/Commentary/082004Saunders/082004saunders.html
Posted by: tonid at August 22, 2004 02:35 PM
oops, guess my freud is showing, twin
and you do know your sowing of discord only serves to make the bonds of friendship stronger, yes?
Posted by: dadalux at August 22, 2004 02:40 PM
Oil production down during efforts to oust Chavez and made prices go up,
Russia and OPEC also holding back oil
China & Japan using/needing more and more oil
Was $30 per barrel ha try $50 now
"In recent days, the cutoff of Venezuelan oil has caused world markets to tighten and crude prices to move above $30 a barrel. The price of light sweet crude was $30.85 a barrel yesterday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Several oil companies, including Houston-based Citco, the U.S.-based subsidiary of Venezuela’s government-owned oil company, reportedly have quietly urged the administration to tap the government reserve."
Will Venezuela oil production pick back up now? and will Chavez forgive those who tried to overturn his government? US indirectly causing these prices to escalate.
http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2002/Dec/20021219Busi008.asp
Not good for Houston-based Citco and American consumers
Good for World market... (OPEC)
Good for bUSh? maybe not
Americans vote with "what's in their wallets" on their mind.
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 02:43 PM
Great Post toni,
Palast got that story out only one day after the election.
Land redistribution and profit sharing will piss off the Jaugar men and Phillips/Conoco and Cheney (Powerful Interests) every time.
Now there's an issue.
Phillips/Conoco your play.
http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/081604Palast/081604palast.html
Posted by: pablo at August 22, 2004 03:25 PM
Hi Janeane & Sam -
Love your show...thank you for your entertaining & informative show!!!
Yesterday (9/9/04) kinda challenged us liberal Christians to speak out against the right-wing Christians of our land. We are!!!! First, there are several "peace churches" includng the Quakers & Mennonites, who are opposed to all war. I attend a Mennonite church & we do a lot of our peace & justice work with the Quakers here in San Francisco. Second, Sojourners magazine also is always critiquing the religious right & recently started circulating a petition about the Republicans trying to claim God as their own. Please see this recent email from them about a video on this topic:
"You know the saying that truth is stranger than fiction. When it
comes to the Religious Right, we believe that truth is scarier
than fiction.
Sojourners is outraged by claims that Christians can only vote
for George W. Bush and that Bush is God's candidate. So we
produced this animated Web video. Watch for yourself and see
what several Religious Right leaders are actually saying.
Watch the video at: http://go.sojo.net/ct/epqTe7K1faDG/video
We also distributed a petition that has been signed by more than
25,000 people. It will appear as a full-page advertisement in
The New York Times next week during the Republican convention -
and in other local newspapers across America!
Every faithful citizen in America should know that they can
choose to vote for any candidate - for reasons deeply rooted in
their faith.
Let's tell America that the Religious Right doesn't speak for
us. Let's take back our faith.
http://go.sojo.net/ct/epqTe7K1faDG/video
-------------------------------------------------
Since 1971, Sojourners exists as a non-partisan, non-profit
501(C)3 organization."
I WOULD TOTALLY RECOMMEND YOU GETTING JIM WALLIS ON YOUR SHOW REGULARLY (HAVING PROGRESSIVE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ON YOUR SHOW WILL IMPACT THOSE RELIGIOUS UNDECIDEDS. ALSO, I CAN HOOK YOU UP WITH MENNONITE OR
Posted by: Michael at September 10, 2004 07:44 PM