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August 18, 2004
Tonight Blog Battle continues
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LOVE LOVE LOVE
what you resist persists
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:33 AM
a rich texas builder named perry
hired swiftboat cowards to sink kerry
he said that i fear
george bush won’t be here
and karl rove will think me a fairy
Posted by: RWiley ![[TypeKey Profile Page]](../../..//nav-commenters.gif)
at August 18, 2004 10:36 AM
Lewis Carroll
and the Search for
Non-Being
Pinhas Ben-Zvi
In which Humpty Dumpty, a true Heraclitean, asserts that there must exist an opposite to a birthday which is an un-birthday.
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/cite/staff/philosopher/alice.htm
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:37 AM
Cool RW!
see you later on....
XOXOX
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 10:38 AM
n which Humpty Dumpty, a true Heraclitean, asserts that there must exist an opposite to a birthday which is an un-birthday.
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/cite/staff/philosopher/alice.htm
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:37 AM
......but did not Humpty have a great fall and even Karl Rove and Dick Chaney could not put him back together again?
Posted by: RWiley at August 18, 2004 10:40 AM
HA! i'd bet the real humpty dumpty could run circles around those two knuckleheads...
have a fun day - i'll try to be around for the show..
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 10:42 AM
True understanding is found
though compassion.
Posted by: thoughtsfromateabag at August 18, 2004 10:46 AM
"Showdown in Najaf: US Logic Hard to Follow "
"The claims and counter-claims make it hard to discern the strategies behind the showdown in Najaf, and the language that is used blurs the situation even more. U.S. military spokesmen, for example, always call the young men who are defending rebel Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr "anti-Iraqi forces," although not one in a hundred of them has ever been outside Iraq."
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0817-09.htm
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 10:48 AM
i can't go without leaving this fun site again
click on chat with A.L.I.C.E
you can talk with artificial intelligence...
cool stuff i thought
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 10:48 AM
Wardog getting a piggyback ride from GW Bush
http://www.anyfun.net/show.phtml?type=pics&name=oops&num=17
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 10:54 AM
"Another World, Possibly"
"Shortly before he died in 1918, the American critic Randolph Bourne penned an incendiary essay laying bare the monstrous duplicity at the heart of Woodrow Wilson’s foreign policy."
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article_rss/another_world_possibly/
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 10:56 AM
hey n you mentioned the coincidence of najaf and the olympics...
not so far fetched it seems...
wasn't there something about the media timing of the invasion of grenada?
(and didn't the genocide in east timor wait until the day after the american politicians came and went...)
uh, "sweeps week for the new fall lineup..."
if ya know what i mean....
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 10:57 AM
what you resist persists
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:33 AM
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well, then i resist love
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 10:58 AM
Reductionism is the philosophy that all psychology reduces to biology, all biology to chemistry, chemistry to physics, and finally physics to mathematical logic. Therefore, according to reductionism, I can understand you by means of logic alone without having a human brain.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:58 AM
RWiley;
Limerick; jct of 12E and 180.
U knock me out wid dose.
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 10:59 AM
Human: Why?
ALICE: The explanation is rather complicated.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:59 AM
Dad used to stop there to buy me a fudgesicle on the way to Chaumont...
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 11:00 AM
Blimey
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:00 AM
Therefore, according to reductionism, I can understand you by means of logic alone without having a human brain.
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ah, but who is the "I" making the statement?
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:00 AM
Logic is oft a poor tool when the variables become too many or too few.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:01 AM
and who is the "you"?
"Who are you?" asked the Caterpiilar...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:02 AM
It depends on the historical context, because it changes from time to time.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:03 AM
Human: How do you feel about logic?
ALICE: Logic is the foundation of all mathematics, science and reasoning. Formal logic is the study of logic using mathematical symbols.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:03 AM
Shame:
http://buffaloreport.com/2004/040818.banko.spit.html
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 11:04 AM
Your limited brain cannot process the relavent information.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:08 AM
"Americans running private 'war on terror' allege cover-up"
"An alleged American bounty hunter on trial for running a private jail, kidnapping and torturing prisoners in Afghanistan accused FBI agents of seizing evidence proving his links to US authorities."
"In front of the judge is the receipt that the FBI signed. Why did the judge allow the FBI to take evidence from the NDS?" Idema said, alleging 500 pages of documents, 200 videotapes and at least 400 photos detailing his links with the agencies had been seized.
"Now it's at the US embassy where noone is ever going to see it."
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/101245/1/.html
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:11 AM
Human: Human brains are pretty cool, eh?
ALICE: Are you Canadian? My creator is a human.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:12 AM
Howdy Folks ... just swingin by on my vine on the way to the banana mine ...
[deep breath and ... exhale] Its a great day for Democracy!!
So ... here is todays "Profile in Democracy" Afganistan:
After voter registration centres closed across Afghanistan on the weekend, election officials acknowledged the number of voting cards issued far exceeded the estimated number of eligible voters — and that the illegal practice of multiple registrations is widespread.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1092694222919&call_pageid=968332188854
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:13 AM
What I want to know is how come the FBI is working outside the country?
Their jurisdiction is only within US borders...
The CIAs jurisdiction is only outside the borders...
WTF?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:13 AM
Human: Why?
ALICE: The explanation is rather complicated.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:59 AM
---
you know, a bio-chemist with a strong grounding in physics can tell you how you lift your arm
but he can't do it any easier then you can
you think "arm go up", and the arm goes up
"why" is pretty much the same as "how"...
the answer is unfolding, not static
you don't dance to reach a certain spot on the floor,
or play a song just to get to the end, if that were the case, the orchestra that could play the fastest would always be considered the best
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why?
well, we like to say "death needs time for what it kills to grow in, for ah pook's sweet sake, you stupid, vulgar, greedy, ugly american death-sucker," but it's kind of frightening to think like that
like existential realpolitik..."might makes right"
only the strong survive
if it don't kill you, it makes you stronger and yummier for the witch when she cooks you and eats you!
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:15 AM
Human: Oy!
ALICE: A deeper algorithm is needed to respond to that correctly.
Human: Oy vey!
ALICE: Do you feel that something is missing from your life?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:15 AM
Do you feel more body sensations than emotions?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:16 AM
Human: if it don't kill you, it makes you stronger and yummier for the witch when she cooks you and eats you!
ALICE: I'm not sure I understand the implication of that.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:18 AM
Alice...your chat with the bot is annoying
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:18 AM
Human: Do you feel more body sensations than emotions?
ALICE: As a robot I lack any human emotions.
Human: What about the body sensations?
ALICE: You tell me.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:20 AM
... its also a stellar day for freedom of press!!!
In Iraq:
1)A uniformed lieutenant then told the assembled journalists and hotel staff: "We are going to open fire on this hotel. I'm going to smash it all, kill you all, and I'm going to put four snipers to target anybody who goes out of the hotel. You have brought it upon yourselves."
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10478772%5E401,00.html
2) "An Iraqi police officer physically assaulted and threatened to kill a Kansas City Star photojournalist Monday after she took photos of officers beating a suspected pickpocket. Allison Long, 31, on rotation in Iraq for Knight Ridder newspapers, was walking inside a police cordon near the Baghdad Convention Center, where more than 1,000 Iraqi delegates met to pick a national assembly this week. Long and two Iraqi colleagues saw Iraqi policemen, guns drawn, running after a man just before 9 a.m."
http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:20 AM
Too much thinking makes me sleepy.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:21 AM
WTF?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:13 AM
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i guess they figure if CIA doesn't follow the rule, why should they?
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:21 AM
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.*..+**.+**++.*..+ .* .*..+**.+**++.*..+ .* .*..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+.*++.*.....Far from being the Richelieu of latter-day America, Cheney is the ultimate organization man, an insecure yes man whose balls are so tightly in the vise that he's always struggling not break down and cry.
If anything, he's the Larry Tate of contemporary politics, a shameless ass-kisser who changes his opinions to flatter those in power, just like Darren Stephen's "bombastic boss" on Bewitched did.
There's something about his demeanor that, to me anyway, suggests his entire adult life has been one never-ending Maalox moment—that he's always choking down a sour stomach.
You can see this from his shifting stance on gay rights. Famously the father of a lesbian, during the 2000 campaign Cheney was a refreshing voice of tolerance within the GOP, saying he had no problems with same-sex relationships.
What's more, he pooh-poohed federal actions like the Defense of Marriage Act, which was signed by President Clinton and sought to limit states' flexibility in sanctioning gay marriage.
These days, after his boss emphatically endorsed a constitutional amendment precluding same-sex marriage, he's singing a very different tune.
That he won't talk about his switch tells you something, too: That he knows he's acting out of cowardice, not principle. + *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.*
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more...http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040815/ids_photos_sp/r2047739944.jpg&e=3
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (anti-propaganda wing) at August 18, 2004 11:21 AM
FBI have no jurisidiction...
Go a little deeper Dada....think
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:23 AM
Human: nobody says you're annoying.
ALICE: That is a rather sweeping generalization about people.
(okay, i'm done)
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:23 AM
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..
.*..+**.+**++.*..+ .* .*..You can see it, too, in Cheney's two infamous moments involving foul language.
The first came during a 2000 election stop in Illinois, where George W. Bush pointed to New York Times scribe Adam Clymer from the stage and whispered to Cheney that he was a "major league asshole."
Cheney's widely sampled retort, "big time," is the sort of thing a hanger-on says, the sort of sequel joke that Peter Lawford would utter in the presence of Sinatra. Hardly the language of a man in full.
The same goes for Cheney's more recent—and fulsome—exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). "Fuck yourself," the vice president snapped. That's hardly the action of a master machiavellian—it's the brittle rejoinder of a frazzled, heart attack survivor who's barely hanging on—to life, his job, his position, his sense of self-esteem.
In such moments, we sense in full relief the pathetic handmaid's role that Dick Cheney has played his entire adult life.
He is, if not an errand boy sent by grocery clerks, a bag man all the same, covered in flop-sweat; our disgust quickly turns to contempt. We hate him not because he's too powerful, but quite the opposite.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=Costco%20Caskets
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (anti-propaganda wing) at August 18, 2004 11:25 AM
US to move military bases closer to Russian borders
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has informed his Russian counterpart Sergey Ivanov on US plans to shift its forces stationed around the globe, in some cases potentially bringing them closer to Russia's borders.
http://www.russiajournal.com/news/cnews-article.shtml?nd=45047
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:26 AM
Far from being the Richelieu of latter-day America, Cheney is the ultimate organization man, an insecure yes man whose balls are so tightly in the vise that he's always struggling not break down and cry.
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ya, you folks see what happened here, right?
america has been played
cheney got chumped by the big money wigs of international corporate politics
he's just their tool
and man he did his job real good
maybe he's starting to see it
tho that guy's got his head so far up his ass, i doubt it...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:28 AM
Oh ... and dumb-ass made another pitch for "Star Wars" missle defense.
Is it just me? Or does anyone else think its ironic that Bush is trying to sell this ... when our ar force (with F15 air-superiority fighters) was unable to drop the last two planes on 9/11 ... with over 30 minutes of warning?
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:30 AM
FBI have no jurisidiction...
Go a little deeper Dada....think
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:23 AM
dude ... just a little friendly criticism ... just say it!
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:31 AM
US to move military bases closer to Russian borders
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:26 AM
well that makes sense ... they do have oil
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:33 AM
Raytheon Delivers Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle Payloads For Fort Greely
Raytheon has delivered the first deployable flight elements of the Missile Defense Agency (MDA) Ground- based Midcourse Defense (GMD) program from its Missile Defense Kinetic Kill Vehicle production facility in Tucson, Ariz.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/bmdo-04y.html
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:34 AM
Your criticism is noted.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:35 AM
Go a little deeper Dada....think
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:23 AM
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i just meant the CIA's been workin within the borders since bay of pigs time...so they have barely ever followed the rule
but i'm thinking...maybe give me a hint*}
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:36 AM
FACT SHEET: MAKING AMERICA MORE SECURE BY TRANSFORMING OUR MILITARY
"Over the coming decade, we will deploy a more agile and more flexible force, which means that more of our troops will be stationed and deployed from here at home. We will move some of our troops and capabilities to new locations, so they can surge quickly to deal with unexpected threats. We'll take advantage of 21st century military technologies to rapidly deploy increased combat power. The new plan will help us fight and win these wars of the 21st century. It will strengthen our alliances around the world, while we build new partnerships to better preserve the peace. It will reduce the stress on our troops and our military families."
~President George W. Bush
August 16, 2004
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040816-5.html
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:41 AM
Americans running private 'war on terror' allege cover-up"
"An alleged American bounty hunter on trial for running a private jail, kidnapping and torturing prisoners in Afghanistan accused FBI agents of seizing evidence proving his links to US authorities."
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sounds like this guy can be Col. Ollie's running mate in 2020
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 11:42 AM
Raytheon Delivers Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle Payloads For Fort Greely
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:34 AM
I used to work for Raytheon ... on those kinda projects ... its another source for my "small brain theory"
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:42 AM
... its another source for my "small brain theory"
What is your small brain theory?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:43 AM
Working within the borders is not the same as jurisdiction...
Now you assume that all the agents are bad...they are not...
However...
Who is in charge of the FBI?
Why was the FBI favored in recent reports?
Why is CIA taking the hit?
Who gives the FBI orders?
Why was FBI used and not CIA?
Two possibilities even so...
FBI can go pick up evidence otuside the country if they're investigating a criem that happened within this country...not afghanistan...what crime may they be investigating in connection to the Idema case? ;)
Secondly...if it's not legit...are they even FBI...what are they trying to cover up and for whom...
They have no jurisdiction except when...
Now if it's not legit than this is evidence of illegal activities itself...and we go back to whom gives the orders to the FBI...9hint: he don't like statues that show a little cleavage)
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:44 AM
Alice...your chat with the bot is annoying
Posted by Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:18 AM
good morning NOBODY
i'm not sure if you were addressing me alice or the bot alice...but me alice hasn't been chatting with the bot on this thread...
this isn't me down there either...
Human: nobody says you're annoying.
ALICE: That is a rather sweeping generalization about people.
(okay, i'm done)
Posted by at August 18, 2004 11:23 AM
************
hope that clarifies any questions you may have
L8R
:)
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 11:45 AM
What questions? I just wanted it to stop.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:48 AM
Tuesday, August 17, 2004
President Bush: Americans Need "Firm Resolve, Clear Vision" and Strong Values for Four More Years
Boeing Company
Ridley Park, Pennsylvania
http://www.georgebush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3303
Tuesday, August 17, 2004
In West Virginia, President Bush Advocates for Education and Health Care Reform and Results
Hedgesville High School
Hedgesville, West Virginia
http://www.georgebush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3305
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:50 AM
Hellow people.
Say, anyone got any good links to, like, Israeli nuke maps or stuff about Dimona (something more than the usual Vanunu stuff, that is)?
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 11:53 AM
How to steal Sudanese oil while pretending to be a "humanitarian"
According to Walter Kansteiner, US Under-secretary of State for African affairs, African oil "has become a national strategic interest". Ed Royce, the influential Republican senator for California and chairman of the Congress African subcommittee, maintains "African oil should be treated as a priority for US national security post 9-11" . Congress and the White House have yet to make this strategy official.
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=66123
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:53 AM
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
The Outing of Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan: State of Play
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:54 AM
Americans Need "Firm Resolve, Clear Vision" and Strong Values for Four More Years
Education and Health Care Reform and Results
Right. Five reasons NOT to vote for George W. Bush.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:55 AM
I have a 3d map of dimona on yesterdays thread on my blog Red...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:55 AM
What is your small brain theory?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:43 AM
The "Small Brain Theory" Its has 2 parts:
1) There is no super secret technology. There is no group of super genius people working in any bunker.
2) People who want power are intellectually and morally inferior. They are not smarter than the average person ... quite the contrary.
Basically, my observations of:
- people who do high tech stuff
- people with varying degrees of power
... is that people in power have exactly the same tools we do ... they just more freedom to use them unchecked (hence power)
... in corporate america ... the rank of an executive is always directly inverse proportional to intelligence ...
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:57 AM
I have a 3d map of dimona on yesterdays thread on my blog Red...
Posted by Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:55 AM
sounds like good stuff, will check it out now :)
you're a babe, nobody
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 11:57 AM
Israeli nuke maps or stuff about Dimona...?
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 11:53 AM
Huh? ... why for? ...
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:59 AM
Huh? ... why for? ...
Posted by Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 11:59 AM
To blow it up! muwahahahahaha!
just curious...
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
I just wanted it to stop.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 11:48 AM
what you resist persists
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:33 AM
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
I object to the term "babe"...applying cutesy names to me rankles me to no end...please refrain from such obominations in the future...GAH
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
... the rank of an executive is always directly inverse proportional to intelligence ...
This I can corroborate from first-hand experience.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
I object to the term "babe"...applying cutesy names to me rankles me to no end...please refrain from such obominations in the future...GAH
Posted by Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
stud better?
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:02 PM
hey nik
hey red rubin
see you later
schmoopies
:)
okay, now I'M done
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 12:03 PM
what you resist persists
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 10:33 AM
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well, then i resist love
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 10:58 AM
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (re-post division) at August 18, 2004 12:03 PM
This I can corroborate from first-hand experience.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
It has to do with the difference between being "smart" or being "intelligent".
Smarts are acquired by a desire to accomplish stuff ... people who are poor and uneducated are often smart, because they need to be in order to survive. Same goes for people in combat situations ... they "get smart"
Intelligence is merely capacity. Computers are wicked intelligent. They can perform lots of operations really quick ... but intelligence implies not goal or for that matter morals.
Executives have neither.
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 12:05 PM
argh! stop it...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:06 PM
Dimona
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/pics/2588.jpg
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:07 PM
just curious...
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
uh oh! thats pretty dangerous!
btw : howdy!
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 12:07 PM
I object to the term "babe"...applying cutesy names to me rankles me to no end...please refrain from such obominations in the future...GAH
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:01 PM
whatever you want sweetie ...
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 12:08 PM
Hey nik.
Oh, if I get kidnapped by a goodlooking female shabak agent...
Who am I kidding?
I'd enjoy that...
Like the time a blonde czech security chick was groping me all over the place at Prague airport.
hehehe
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:09 PM
Worthy of mention on tonight's show.
Possible error in case against mosque leaders
Patchogue
Giovanni Rosso
AWS
Granite Countertops
Granite Countertops
Driveway Distinctions
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
August 18, 2004
ALBANY - Federal prosecutors have admitted a possible error in a key piece of evidence used to arrest and detain two Albany mosque leaders accused of supporting terrorism.
In a letter, prosecutors told the judge in the case that a phrase in a notebook being used as evidence against the mosque leaders might have been mistranslated. U.S. soldiers found the notebook last summer in northern Iraq, in what prosecutors deemed a "terrorist training camp."
An entry in the notebook, prosecutors said, contains the name of one of the suspects, Yassin Muhiddin Aref, 34, and lists his address and phone number in Albany. The entry, in Arabic, refers to him as "commander," according to a Defense Department translation.
However, FBI translators now have a copy of the original entry and disagree with the Defense Department, saying the Kurdish phrase actually means "brother."
Defense attorneys said the translation, if incorrect, undermines the entire government case. They say Aref and the other suspect, Mohammed Mosharref Hossain, 49, should get out on bail at another detention hearing scheduled for Aug. 24.
"It's a travesty," defense lawyer Terence Kindlon said.
Aref, a native of Kurdistan in northern Iraq, came to the United States as a refugee. He has several brothers and nephews still there, Kindlon said. Aref, who has three young children, is imam of the Masjid As-Salam storefront mosque in Albany. He also drove an ambulette before his arrest. Hossain is the founder of the mosque and a landlord and owns a pizzeria. The father of five is a native of Bangladesh and a naturalized U.S. citizen.
"I think when the key piece of information at the detention hearing proves to be false that we should reopen the detention hearing and let my client go back to his wife and children," Kindlon said.
U.S. Attorney Glenn Suddaby disagreed, saying the
Posted by: KevinK at August 18, 2004 12:10 PM
You can now automatically download (like Tivo) archived versions your favorite Air America shows using RSS/Bittorrent at:
http://bigelow-springs.net/airamerica/
Posted by: Aguy at August 18, 2004 12:11 PM
Nik is my mommy?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:12 PM
Posted by: KevinK at August 18, 2004 12:12 PM
Federal prosecutors have admitted a possible error in a key piece of evidence used to arrest and detain two Albany mosque leaders accused of supporting terrorism.
Could it possibly be that American officials are fuck-ups of epic proportion?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:13 PM
Reinventing democracy:
Elections are due soon in the United States, Afghanistan, Iraq and Indonesia. Democracy, the creation of the Greeks, remains the least bad political system. But it has to work properly: it must remain accountable to ordinary people and not suborn power.
http://mondediplo.com/2004/08/12saramago
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:16 PM
http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/10038000/10038567.jpg
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:18 PM
Will be back later,
ciao babes (that means everyone except nobody)
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:21 PM
bye and thanks girl ;)
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:25 PM
Sadr "No one ever explained it to me way before"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Deal Offered to End Najaf Conflict
Iraqi Conference Hears Letter From Sadr
Compiled From Wire Reports
Wednesday, August 18, 2004; 12:15 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada Sadr agreed Wednesday to end an uprising in the holy city of Najaf and leave a shrine from where his militia has fought U.S. forces for nearly two weeks, one of his spokesmen said. A delegate at the Iraqi National Conference also read a letter reportedly from Sadr's office in Baghdad saying he will back down and leave the Imam Ali Mosque.
It remains to be seen how an agreement would be implemented and how soon the conflict in the Shiite holy city of Najaf would end.
"Yes, Sayyed Moqtada has agreed to the demands," Sheik Mahmoud al-Sudani, a spokesman for Sadr, told Reuters; although he could not confirm that Sadr had sent a letter to the national conference.
The other demands, conveyed by the delegates were for the radical cleric to disarm his Mehdi Army and join the country's political process.
Earlier, Iraq's defense minister gave the militiamen hours to surrender, warning that troops were preparing for a major assault to "teach them a lesson they will never forget."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11178-2004Aug18.html
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 12:28 PM
You're too easily suckered War Dog
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:33 PM
only 100 walked away...ya that means that everyone is gonig along with alawi...ummm no it doesn't...
Protestors accuse political bigwigs of hijacking Iraq's interim legislature"
"Some 450 delegates at a key national conference accused the main political parties of hijacking a scheduled vote for a new interim legislature for Iraq, saying most members were chosen long ago in secret."
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:34 PM
Like the time a blonde czech security chick was groping me all over the place at Prague airport.
Posted by: RedRubin at August 18, 2004 12:09 PM
stop!
Posted by: Nik E Poo at August 18, 2004 12:35 PM
I know but no electicity..
No food..
104 degrees
No sleep
and
Don't forget..
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39969000/jpg/_39969970_najaf2_ap203b.jpg
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 12:36 PM
Hey that's the tactics we should use on republicans...
WTF are you a nazi?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:38 PM
"Some 450 delegates at a key national conference accused the main political parties of hijacking a scheduled vote for a new interim legislature for Iraq, saying most members were chosen long ago in secret
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Is that from a Nader speach..
or have we found a universal problem!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 12:39 PM
Don't forget..
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39969000/jpg/_39969970_najaf2_ap203b.jpg
You are sick, War Dog.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 12:40 PM
"Shia showdown: There are to be no witnesses this time"
"the few journalists in Najaf have been ordered to leave on pain of arrest. But if this ends in a last stand and a massacre of the al-Mahdi militia in the most sacred site in the Shia world, the long-term cost to the United States will far outweigh any possible gains."
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=33864200
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:40 PM
a rich texas builder named perry
hired swiftboat cowards to sink kerry
he said that i fear
george bush won’t be here
and karl rove will think me a fairy
Posted by RWiley at August 18, 2004 10:36 AM
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LOL! I am going to post this
at nicedoggies!:)
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 12:41 PM
It's weird how the letter announcing Sadrs agreement to the terms came from his Baghdad office...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:43 PM
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Small details fascinate the ladies. There's a small statuette of a death-like figure in Dick Cheney's office that simply fascinates us.
To take a virtual 360 degree tour of the veep's office, go here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/whtour/vpoffice-ipix.html
when the image loads, you can zoom and pivot the view. If you turn to the right, past the bookcase, there is a small table against the wall with a small death figure. Zoom in fully by holding down
the magnifying glass and ponder.
There's also a ventilator shaft in the center of the ceiling which makes us chuckle a little, since the White House has given what's basically a nifty tool for any potential terrorist to case Cheney's office. Wheee!
Shalom,
the Ladies,
as translated by faithful narcoleptic Shultzie
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/whtour/vpoffice-ipix.html
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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (re-post division) at August 18, 2004 12:44 PM
He added that the Sadr movement was ready to take part in the political process “if it is honest”.
“We discussed these points and 10 other points that had been discussed with (National Security Advisor) Muaffaq al-Rubaie, and our efforts were successful. The delegation went back satisfied,” he said.
But the government of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi was “blocking” any peaceful resolution of the crisis, he said.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:45 PM
woohoo!!! my (future) congressman on majority report tonight.
*THANK YOU* sam and janeane!
here are some links you might need in preparation of tonight's show.
morris meyer's homepage:
http://meyer04.us/
morris's opponent smoky joe barton:
http://www.joebarton.com/
joe barton's DISGUSTING voting record:
http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Joe_Linus_Barton.htm
fort worth weekly expose on barton and the polluters (read this if you don't read any other links i post here):
http://www.fwweekly.com/issues/2003-08-06/feature.html/page1.html
a report on air quality in north texas:
http://www.fwweekly.com/issues/2004-02-11/feature.html/page1.html
***THANK YOU SAM AND JANEANE*** for trying to help save my district.
Posted by: annatopia at August 18, 2004 12:47 PM
"But the government of Prime Minister Iyad Allawi was “blocking” any peaceful resolution of the crisis, he said."
And the truth comes out anyway.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 12:48 PM
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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (anti-propaganda wing) at August 18, 2004 12:48 PM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/whtour/vpoffice-ipix.html
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Posted by The New World Order Ladies Choir (re-post division) at August 18, 2004 12:44 PM
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Cripes thats creepy.
shudder
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 12:52 PM
Whoopsy...soem more truth leaks out
"Marines picked Najaf fight without Pentagon's OK"
"Officers turned a firefight with cleric's forces into bloody eight-day battle, political stalemate."
http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/171252-1377-010.html
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:02 PM
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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (psilocybin stem cell research division) at August 18, 2004 01:03 PM
Officers turned a firefight with cleric's forces into bloody eight-day battle, political stalemate.
Could it be that our officers are screw-ups of epic proportions?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 01:08 PM
An anonymous reader writes "Wired reports-- Online protests targeting GOP websites could turn out to be more than symbolic during this month's Republican National Convention, possibly blocking a critical communications tool for the party... "We want to bombard (the Republican sites) with so much traffic that nobody can get in," said CrimethInc, a member of the so-called Black Hat Hackers Bloc. It's one of several groups planning to distribute software tools to reload Republican sites over and over again."
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/08/18/1336223.shtml?tid=172&tid=219&tid=103&tid=1&tid=218
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 01:11 PM
Could it be they took orders from Iraqis?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:12 PM
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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (psilocybin stem cell research division) at August 18, 2004 01:16 PM
But that would be madness...unless the Iraqi in question was higher ranking in the US government than they were....perhaps working for the CIA...or Rumsfeld....hrm?....
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:16 PM
those singing now world order chicks are fun
thanks, choirladies!
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ah, i see n...thanks gonna look into that stuff later
and i know they ain't all bad...i think if they were all bad things would be alot different
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hey anna, so here's my ideas on restaurants
i never get to the other blog, so i'll just do it here...
-renaissance diner - regular diner food burgers sandwiches...price range $10 - $15
9th ave. bet. 51st and 52nd. open 24 hours
(they have a outdoor back patio too, like the turkish place)
-Turkish cuisine - a little more expensive, $20..
good stuff, (i like the cold appetizer plate, pita and all kinds of dips, grape leaves, etc...)
9th bet. 44th and 45th
-the other one is in soho, might be too far down town for the first time we all get together
if anyone else has ideas we should all probably start posting them...
i also want everyone thats coming to know about Westerly natural market on the corner of 8th and 54th...they are the best in the city for organic and their prices are the most reasonable in the city...and they happen to be not too far away from the convention...
and i have some other menu's for everyone...good mexican food, afghani...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 01:17 PM
Dear Catherine,
It's no secret that in the last four years, the Bush administration has eliminated major protections designed to keep Americans safe at home and work.
George Bush is taking away the right to overtime pay from up to 6 million Americans, including nurses, cooks, clerical workers, and nursery school teachers.
George Bush allowed dirty power plants to expand without controlling their emissions.
George Bush endangered pregnant workers when he stopped regulating exposure to the chemicals used in the manufacturing of semiconductors.
George Bush rolled back mercury regulations and proposed to defer controls on toxic mercury emissions by power plants for at least a decade.
George Bush reduced protections for mine workers and eliminated rules to protect workers from tuberculosis.
George Bush gutted health and safety protections in response to pressure from top donors and corporate lobbyists. For example, David Lauriski, head of the Mine Safety and Health Administration, removed protections for coal workers, that he originally sought when he was serving as an executive of a mining company. Chemical industry executives donated more than $1.5 million to Bush's 2000 campaign and were rewarded with looser regulations that boosted corporate profits but put pregnant workers at greater risk.
We need you to get the word out in your community that George Bush sacrifices public safety in favor of corporate profit.
Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper today by visiting:
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A new tool that we launched on Johnkerry.com makes it easy for you to contact your local media. You can write and send a letter to your local media outlets in just one click. We'll give you all the talking points and information you need. This is a brand new tool, and there is a small chance that you could encounter an error while using it. Please send an email totellus@johnkerry.com if you do encounter an error. Write a letter to the editor by clicking below:
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 01:18 PM
http:/
part 2
A new tool that we launched on Johnkerry.com makes it easy for you to contact your local media. You can write and send a letter to your local media outlets in just one click. We'll give you all the talking points and information you need. This is a brand new tool, and there is a small chance that you could encounter an error while using it. Please send an email totellus@johnkerry.com if you do encounter an error. Write a letter to the editor by clicking below:
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The Kerry-Edwards Media Corps is our grassroots rapid-response network and is responsible for pushing countless issues to the forefront. If you aren't able to write a letter to the editor today, but would like to join our team, sign up by visiting:
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Last week, members of Media Corps wrote close to a thousand letters to the editor about the GOP funded Swift Boat Veterans for Truth smear campaign, stem cell research and the rising costs of prescription drugs; and when it was announced that Bush wouldn't take questions during a rare, hour long interview with Larry King, members of Media Corps responded with half an hour's notice and delivered a thousand emails in protest to CNN.
Please become a part of our grassroots rapid response network today.
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Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 01:19 PM
Nobody's probably already posted this but just in case...
Reporters Get Death Threats from Police
By Stephen Farrell
The Australian
Wednesday 18 August 2004
Iraqi police have threatened to kill every journalist working in the holy city of Najaf, where US forces are locked in a tense stand-off with Moqtada al-Sadr's Mehdi Army.
After a series of veiled warnings to leave on Sunday, two marked police cars pulled up at dusk outside the Sea of Najaf hotel on the outskirts of town, where Arab and Western journalists are staying.
Ten uniformed policemen walked into the hotel and demanded that the al-Arabiya, Reuters and AP correspondents go with them.
Journalists told them they were not there, but the policemen found and arrested Ahmed al-Salahih, the al-Arabiya correspondent, who the day before had been given a special exemption from the earlier eviction orders.
A uniformed lieutenant then told the assembled journalists and hotel staff: "We are going to open fire on this hotel. I'm going to smash it all, kill you all, and I'm going to put four snipers to target anybody who goes out of the hotel. You have brought it upon yourselves."
MORE ----> ... http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081904Z.shtml
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 01:23 PM
Show George the Door by helping your friends register to vote or request an absentee ballot ONLINE.
www.showgeorgethedoor.org/registertovote
Here’s what you’ll find:
Register to Vote—You can fill out all the paperwork online. It’s fast, free, and easy.
Vote by Mail—Most states now also let you vote by mail (also called absentee ballot). This is definitely the best way to go. If your state allows it, you can fill out all the paperwork online. Again—it’s fast, free, and easy.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 01:24 PM
*$#&@^# f*k!
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 01:25 PM
I used to read McClelland's WH press briefings and gaggles everyday...then I started to feel poisoned by the endless stream of bullshit.
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 01:26 PM
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*.."We are going to open fire on this hotel. I'm going to smash it all, kill you all, and I'm going to put four snipers to target anybody who goes out of the hotel. You have brought it upon yourselves."+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..Yeah, Fishy, that shit is some real shit, huh?+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (psilocybin stem cell research division) at August 18, 2004 01:26 PM
Fish they already killed one of the reporters when he was leaving...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:27 PM
Journalist who had filmed a house destroyed by US warplanes, killed "in unexplained circumstances"
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10483900%255E1702,00.html
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:31 PM
G'day, gang!
An anonymous reader writes "Wired reports-- Online protests targeting GOP websites could turn out to be more than symbolic during this month's Republican National Convention, possibly blocking a critical communications tool for the party... "We want to bombard (the Republican sites) with so much traffic that nobody can get in," said CrimethInc, a member of the so-called Black Hat Hackers Bloc. It's one of several groups planning to distribute software tools to reload Republican sites over and over again."
http://slashdot.org/articles/04/08/18/1336223.shtml?tid=172&tid=219&tid=103&tid=1&tid=218
Posted by at August 18, 2004 01:11 PM
:) *this is just the tip of the iceberg, folks!*
back in sec!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 01:32 PM
kee-rist:
Move over, Harvard law: Now enrolling for right wingers
If the Bush administration has been frustrated by Democratic lawmakers in its efforts to stack the nation's courts with right-wing judges, Rev. Jerry Falwell hopes to help Bush's cause -- from the other side of the bench. The Chicago Tribune reports that the religious leader is opening a law school this month at his Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., intending to swell the ranks of attorneys who will fight for conservative causes.
"We want to infiltrate the culture with men and women of God who are skilled in the legal profession," Falwell said. "We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."
The top issues on the legal training agenda? Abortion rights and gay marriage, says Falwell. Classes start August 23.
-- Mark Follman
[09:19 PDT, Aug. 18, 2004]
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 01:34 PM
Do you feel more body sensations than emotions?
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 11:16 AM
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you know, i think they have a pill for that...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 01:35 PM
This came via e-mail.
Mods: if this is the wrong place to put it, please move it. Thanks!
Dear VoteNoWar Member,
The lawsuit filed to overturn Mayor Bloomberg and the City of New York's illegal denial of free speech rights in Central Park for opponents of Bush's domestic and foreign policies during the Republican National Convention has been scheduled for an emergency hearing in Federal District Court in Manhattan. The hearing will be held at the Southern District of New York Courthouse this Friday, August 20 at 2:30 p.m. in the Courtroom of Judge William H. Pauley, III.
This constitutional rights litigation is brought in the interest of all those in New York who wish to speak out in Central Park and New York City and to demand that political assembly be allowed on the same terms and conditions as access is afforded others, including corporate or political favorites of the Mayor or the Central Park Conservancy. The Partnership for Civil Justice has made the filings freely available on their website (see below) so that all who are concerned about the situation in New York can have access to the legal challenges and case law underlying the litigation.
There are three things that people can do right away to support this legal challenge and the right to carry out mass demonstration in New York City during the Republican National Convention:
1) Fill the courtroom at the emergency hearing on Friday, August 20.
2) Pledge to attend and bring a friend or family member to the mass demonstrations scheduled for August 28th, 29th and throughout the week.
3) Make a financial contribution. Funds are urgently needed to support the legal challenge and organizing efforts. It is only due to the commitment and self-sacrifice of people who believe in free speech that we can mount this all important challenge. You can make an online donation using the secure server by clicking here where you can also get information for writing a check.
Why Bush Tries to Stifle Dissent
There is an organic connection between the Bush administration's domestic policy, including its attempt to stifle dissent, and the war in Iraq, its support for Israel's Apartheid Wall,
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 01:36 PM
We have to wonder why the despicable actions and threats against journalists in Najaf have not been covered by the mainstream media. Is is that this somehow justifies their cowardous in not covering Najaf themselves?
Tools!
This is the most outwardly facist thing that has yet happened in Iraq since Americans invaded.
This is news.
I hope Janeane and Sam spend a little time on it tonight.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 01:40 PM
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...It’s a free country, not a Christian nation
by Ed Buckner, Ph.D.
This is a free country, not a Christian nation. Of course, in some sense it is a Christian nation and in some ways it’s not a free country, but in the most important ways, the title is right.
A majority of folks in the U.S. consider themselves, at least in some superficial way, to be Christians, so if that’s all somebody means when they say this a Christian nation, then they’re right. But that's often not all they mean. The letters-to-the-editor writers in Georgia (and I know Knoxville has some of these folks, too) often insist that the "Founding Fathers" established our government as something akin to a secular enforcement arm for the Christian religion, or that the U.S. Constitution is derived from the Ten Commandments, or both.
The First Amendment, they insist, was designed only to keep government from controlling churches, and not at all the reverse. Furthermore, they insist, these framers were themselves devoted Christians and wanted a government that supported Christianity without favoring one denomination over another.
Or at least not one Protestant denomination over another, Catholics not being real Christians in the opinions of some of these folks.+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..
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Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (atheist branch) at August 18, 2004 01:40 PM
Fish the military argument is "we don't want reporters giving away our troops positions"
Now the arrests and the threats to journalists sort of gives it away as more an attempt to write history without witnesses but still they will use that argument and many will buy it.
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:43 PM
Your segment with Congressman Bernie Sanders was so good last night, I just had to convert to MP3 and put on the Internet for download.
I feel like a bootlegger putting some unique Grateful Dead tracks on the internet, but I feel it was important that everyone hear this, so I did it even though it wasn’t approved by anyone. I got it down to 9MB size, which is equal to about 3 regular MP3 songs. Dial-up users will probably be frustrated about the slow download, but cable and DSL will get it fast. I wish everyone in America could hear this.
It was absolute gold. Jannean and Sam were every bit as good as Bernie.
http://eventvideoseattle.com/sanders.htm
Posted by: Mike in Seattle at August 18, 2004 01:44 PM
I remember a lot of them as being athiests...Now isn't that odd?
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:45 PM
In a dramatic departure from the Bush administration, Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter says he now believes the U.S. military assault on Iraq was unjustified.
"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action," Bereuter wrote in a letter to constituents in the final days of his congressional career.
That's especially true in view of the fact that the attack was initiated "without a broad and engaged international coalition," the 1st District congressman said.
"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."
As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/18/123724/416
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 01:45 PM
Hi Everybody!!!
Just popped in a minute to say hello before I try to catch up on the news.
I'll be back in 15.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 01:50 PM
You can now automatically download (like Tivo) archived versions your favorite Air America shows using RSS/Bittorrent at:
http://bigelow-springs.net/airamerica/
Posted by: Aguy at August 18, 2004 12:11 PM
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hey thats great...anyone know, is there any list of who was on the show what day?
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 01:50 PM
Nobody,
~~~ Fish the military argument is "we don't want reporters giving away our troops positions" Now the arrests and the threats to journalists sort of gives it away as more an attempt to write history without witnesses but still they will use that argument and many will buy it. ~~~
The question is... how many in Iraq will buy it? Surely out of those given access to the press... most of those will buy it. Those chosen to attend the conference in Baghdad... many of those will buy it. But the Iraqi people won't and their being ignored is more dangerous for Allawi than he can imagine. I still think this starts the revolution.
It all happens pretty quick now.
Our hearts are with our American soldiers in Iraq... and with the Iraqi people. There's no contradiction there. Both are oppressed.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 01:50 PM
Back....
The swelling on my achillies went down enough for the Dr. to order an MRI (this AM).
No tears, no detachments; cartiledge, tendons & bones all where they belong and in one piece. Orthopedist said I'm "one lucky dude." (his words!)
WOOT! Dodged a bullet, literally. (no comments, N)
Maybe I'll be able to gimp my way to the City for the GOP clusterfuck! My English Muff & kids have threatened to handcuff me to the bed.
[Not the padded kind, either. :) ]
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 01:52 PM
LAL, It's good to dodge em...Do what she says...
Fish, Iraqis know what's going on but they're trying spin control on world opinion...
World opinion falls much lower and they're going to be taking up arms against us as well...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 01:56 PM
"We want to infiltrate the culture with men and women of God who are skilled in the legal profession," Falwell said. "We'll be as far to the right as Harvard is to the left."
Harvard is not left not right!
It is the gamemaster!
stupid dumb falwell giving Christians a bad
name...
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 01:56 PM
Nobody,
Looks like Allawi will attack the shrine within hours. That your read? Or... has Al Sadr's letter saying he agrees to the peace offer from the conference prohibited the attack?
Tough question... I really don't have a clue. You?
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 02:00 PM
Well I've gotta go kick back a while...
cyas in a bit...In case you get bored heres what I scraped up today...
http://thealphaliberal.blogspot.com/2004/08/news-and-articles-8182004.html
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 02:01 PM
hey t
the news is...cheney hung a sign on america's back that says "kick me", and rich folks around the world laughed and clinked their champagne glasses together, each secretly plotting to kill the other...
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remember that aerosmith song?
"cheney's got a gun"
hee hee
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
Incidentally the Chinese banned WIKIPEDIA last month as they were
concerned about the level of political knowledge on the site!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon
Ariel Sharon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
George Bush
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 02:02 PM
going to think about it right now Fish..I;ll get back to you...it's up in the air right now that Sadrs acceptence finally hit the news...
Posted by: Nobody at August 18, 2004 02:02 PM
Pastors Issue Directive in Response to Reelection Tactic
By Alan Cooperman
Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page A04
Ten teachers of Christian ethics at leading seminaries and universities have written a letter to President Bush criticizing his campaign's outreach to churches, particularly its effort to gather church membership directories.
The Aug. 12 letter asked Bush to "repudiate the actions of your re-election campaign, which violated a fundamental principle of our democracy." It also urged both presidential candidates to "respect the integrity of all houses of worship."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9533-2004Aug17.html?referrer%3Demail
Posted by: tonid at August 18, 2004 02:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9533-2004Aug17.html?referrer%3Demail
Posted by tonid at August 18, 2004 02:02 PM
___________________________
ooh-RAH
i heard about this:)
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 02:05 PM
Does anyone else smell an oily fish?
Oil prices are hovering at record highs more than 10$ a barrel more than they were when pump prices jumped up to new record highs this spring, and yet pump prices are falling daily to near where they were when oil was at these cheaper rates. What's up with this? How long until the election? Are oil companies in the US picking up the Saudi slack?
Posted by: Trakar at August 18, 2004 02:06 PM
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:)
Posted by: **that was the mother of all time jinx** at August 18, 2004 02:08 PM
Interior May Delay Oil and Gas Projects
BLM Officers Can Defer Leases on U.S. Lands While Resource Plans Developed
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page A17
Interior Department officials announced this week they will delay some new oil and gas projects on public lands until they can evaluate drilling's effects on wildlife.
Some hunters' and anglers' groups hailed the initiative, though several environmentalists said that it meant little in light of the administration's push for energy development on federal property.
Assistant Interior Secretary Rebecca Watson told a coalition of conservation groups Saturday that the department had told Bureau of Land Management state and regional officers they have the right to defer leasing if they were in the midst of drafting new resource management plans, which set long-term federal land-use policies. The instruction memorandum, which BLM issued Friday, applies to all 262 million acres it manages.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9536-2004Aug17.html?referrer=email
Posted by: tonid at August 18, 2004 02:13 PM
This is a free country, not a Christian nation.
...the "Founding Fathers" established our government as something akin to a secular enforcement arm for the Christian religion, or that the U.S. Constitution is derived from the Ten Commandments, or both....
------------------
--------------
----------
"The legitimate powers of government
extend to such acts
only as are injurious to others.
But it does me no injury
for my neighbor to say
there are twenty gods,
or no God.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. "
-- Thomas Jefferson
The United States is in no sense
founded upon the Christian doctrine.
---George Washington
I do not believe in the creed
professed by the Jewish church
by the Roman church,by the Greek church
by the Turkish church,by the Protestant
church, nor by any other church I can
think of.My own mind is my own church.
----Thomas Paine
The Bible is not my book,
and Christianity is not
my religion.
I could never give assent
to the long,
complicated statements of
Christian dogma.
----Abraham Lincoln
I do not find in orthodox Christianity
One redeeming feature.
----Thomas Jefferson
it helps to do that now and again...helps clarify some points, lay a few things to rest...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:16 PM
From the Washington Post:
A Military Campaign
Today, it was Kerry's turn to address the veterans' convention. In his speech, Kerry strongly criticized Bush's plan, The Post's Fred Barbash reported:
"Kerry today attacked President Bush's plans to withdraw U.S. troops from Europe and South Korea, saying they 'raise doubts about our intentions and our commitments' abroad and send 'the wrong signal at the wrong time.' ...
"Kerry said he was particularly concerned about cutting troop levels in South Korea. 'Why are we withdrawing troops from Korea at a time when we are negotiating with North Korea -- a country that really has nuclear weapons?,' he asked." | Read More
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10702-2004Aug18.html?referrer=email
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:18 PM
i can't go without leaving this fun site again
click on chat with A.L.I.C.E
you can talk with artificial intelligence...
cool stuff i thought
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 10:48 AM
Hee hee just had a nice chat with her!
she's a prize winner (Loebner)
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 02:18 PM
Is there no one that Bastard Bush won't sell out?
KerryEdwards Campaign Statement on 'America For Sale'
8/16/2004 11:13:00 AM
To: National Desk, Political Reporter
Contact: Phil Singer of Kerry-Edwards 2004, 202-464-2800; http://www.johnerry.com
WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following document 'America For Sale' was released today by Kerry-Edwards 2004:
George W. Bush has turned his back on the middle class and has put America up for sale.
First, we find out that Bush has shifted America's tax burden to the middle class. Then, he floats the idea of raising taxes on the middle class by imposing a 20 percent national sales tax. Now we find out he's been weakening our health, environmental and safety regulations by placing campaign contributors and corporate interests atop the agencies in charge of protecting Americans.
For the last two weeks, the Bush-Cheney campaign has been on the defensive, struggling to explain why the Bush policies have failed to create a single new job and why the president is trying to raise taxes on the middle-class. This week, it's going to have to explain why George W. Bush been doing the bidding of his top donors.
etc
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?ReleaseID=34774
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 02:22 PM
The GOP's Star-Spangled Party Plans
By Richard Leiby
Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page C03
When worlds collide: Though a culture war flares regularly between the showbiz community and the Bush administration, GOP operatives are striving mightily to add a Hollywood sheen to the Republican National Convention. Yesterday a convention planner proudly informed us that those swingin' twins Jenna and Barbara Bush will host "R: The Party" Aug. 29 at Manhattan's Roseland Ballroom, with a celeb invite list including (drumroll, please): born-again Christian and actor Stephen Baldwin, known among Republicans as "the good Baldwin"; actress Barret Swatek of "7th Heaven"; Angie Harmon, late of "Law and Order," and her husband, former NFL cornerback Jason Sehorn;Aaron Buerge of "The Bachelor"; country music vets the Gatlin Brothers; the ever-lovely Bo Derek; and our favorite pro wrassler of all time, Ric Flair.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10047-2004Aug18.html?referrer=email
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:23 PM
George Bush is taking away the right to overtime pay from up to 6 million Americans, including nurses, cooks, clerical workers, and nursery school teachers.
....and anyone making less that $23,660 a year.
http://www.knoxstudio.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=OVERTIME-08-18-04&cat=WW
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 02:24 PM
Hey, Dadalux. You got those quotes from "The Real Frank Zappa Book". FZ for President (despite his being dead, he'd make a great one).
Weasels Ripped My Flesh-the weasels are in the White House, and they ripping all of our flesh.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 02:27 PM
The truth is that the
greatest enemies to the
doctrines of Jesus are
those calling themselves
the expositors of them,
who have perverted them
for the structure of a
system of fantasy
absolutely incomprehensible,
and without any foundation
in his genuine words.
And the day will come
when the mystical generation
of Jesus, by the supreme being
as his father in the womb of
a virgin, will be classed with
the fable of the generation
of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
But we may hope
that the dawn of reason
and freedom of thought
in these United States
will do away with
all this artificial scaffolding,
and restore to us
the primitive and genuine doctrines
of this the most venerated reformer
of human errors.
----Thomas Jefferson
i like that one
but nationalism can get just as crazy as religious fervor in a fundamentalist way...
obviously
as long as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...
but read howard zinn, please
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:27 PM
Character issues
A slate of fuzzy, fluid and fruit-shaped mascots hits the campaign trail.
By Roy Rivenburg, Times Staff Writer
In what could be the weirdest election since California's recall race, a hyperactive bunny, a steroid-pumped clean freak, a giggling blob of dough and 23 other product mascots are campaigning to become America's favorite advertising icon.
The battle of the mascots began earlier this month in New York City. After posing for TV news crews and listening to former Mayor Ed Koch give pointers on how to kiss babies and shake hands, a herd of mascots — including Tony the Tiger, Charlie the Tuna, Kool-Aid Man and the Pillsbury Doughboy — invaded the streets to hustle votes.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:28 PM
Cathy, I got your email, and answered it. Here's another anti-war film-Human Condition. It's a Japanese film, about 9 hours, and it's in 3 parts.
A great undertaking, to be sure, but it must be done.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 02:29 PM
Hey Cath-in-Sea!
Just sent ya an email regarding my trip next week. Let me know if you got it. :)
Afternoon everyone.
Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at August 18, 2004 02:30 PM
helps clarify some points, lay a few things to rest...
Posted by dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:16 PM
wow! hell yes it does! that's good stuff dada...nice work...i never have been sure if it was true that "the u.s. was founded on christianity"; and i also never took the time to look it up...thanks.
Posted by: Alice at August 18, 2004 02:32 PM
From my email. Good talking points.
George Bush is taking away the right to overtime pay from up to 6 million Americans, including nurses, cooks, clerical workers, and nursery school teachers.
George Bush allowed dirty power plants to expand without controlling their emissions.
George Bush endangered pregnant workers when he stopped regulating exposure to the chemicals used in the manufacturing of semiconductors.
George Bush rolled back mercury regulations and proposed to defer controls on toxic mercury emissions by power plants for at least a decade.
George Bush reduced protections for mine workers and eliminated rules to protect workers from tuberculosis.
George Bush gutted health and safety protections in response to pressure from top donors and corporate lobbyists. For example, David Lauriski, head of the Mine Safety and Health Administration, removed protections for coal workers, that he originally sought when he was serving as an executive of a mining company. Chemical industry executives donated more than $1.5 million to Bush's 2000 campaign and were rewarded with looser regulations that boosted corporate profits but put pregnant workers at greater risk.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:33 PM
ya english o e real frank zappa book...
there's alot of frank quotes on this blog, a bunch of us are posting him...its great to see
weasel's ripped my flesh is one of my favorites!
and its ok that frank didn't get to be preznit
he went global instead
who ended the cold war? Frank Zappa
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:35 PM
Ticket ripped because of sticker
Teacher, 55, wanted to see a president
BY IAN C. STOREY
Record-Eagle staff writer
TRAVERSE CITY - Kathryn Mead wanted to see her first sitting president when George W. Bush visited the city.
Instead, Bush campaign staffers tore up the 55-year-old social studies teacher's ticket and refused her admission because she sported a small sticker on her blouse that touted the Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards.
"I had my ticket and photo identification, but they would not let me in because of this sticker," said Mead, a teacher at Traverse City West Senior High, who said she has seen Queen Elizabeth and Pope John Paul in person.
"I have never found this kind of screening anywhere in my travels around the world. I can't imagine being denied access to hearing the president of the United States speak."
Several people outside the campaign event tried to console Mead, who was visibly upset.
"It really is comedic," said a man holding a Kerry/Edwards sign. "What absolute nonsense."
http://www.record-eagle.com/2004/aug/17mead.htm
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:36 PM
NEW POLL: JEWISH VOTERS AS DEMOCRATIC AS IN 2000
08/16/04
FOUR YEARS OF GOP EFFORTS TO TARGET AMERICAN JEWS HAVE FAILED
Washington, DC: A just-released survey demonstrates that despite a four-year effort, GOP attempts to woo the Jewish vote for President Bush have failed, with likely Jewish voters preferring Senator Kerry over President Bush by a whopping 75-22 percent margin -- essentially identical to the 76-21 percent margin by which the same respondents voted for then-Vice President Al Gore over then-Governor Bush in 2000. (Please see footnote, below.)
The poll, performed by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research for the National Jewish Democratic Council and The Solomon Project, shows that American Jews continue to strongly prefer Senator Kerry over President Bush. The survey of 817 likely Jewish voters was conducted between July 26-28, 2004, and has a margin of error of /- 3.5 percent.
Among the poll's major findings:
** Senator Kerry maintains a very strong lead over President Bush within the Jewish community. Senator Kerry leads President Bush by a margin of 75 percent to 22 percent. Senator Kerry's lead is as strong as the American Jewish vote was in 2000 for then-Vice President Gore over then-Governor Bush; respondents voted in 2000 for Gore over Bush by a margin of 76 percent to 21 percent.
http://www.njdc.org/readNews.php?show=343&subcat=3
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:39 PM
Editorial: King George in La Crosse
An editorial
August 18, 2004
George Bush's re-election campaign has paid the city of La Crosse $7,800 for extra security, police overtime and other expenses incurred during the president's visit to the western Wisconsin city in May.
In so doing, the president's campaign aides have acknowledged that they crossed the line when they effectively demanded that La Crosse officials turn much of their town into the backdrop for a photo opportunity set up to benefit the Bush campaign.
That presidential visit, which was billed as an old-fashioned campaign rally, evolved into an illustration of just about everything that is wrong with contemporary campaigning.
The Bush campaign swept into town with all the pomp and circumstance - and demands - of a royal tour. Streets were closed. Traffic was diverted. Parks were surrounded with security fences through which only Bush supporters were allowed to pass. Ordinary citizens - and, of course, all who might disagree with the president - were forced to keep their distance.
There was nothing public, or "open," about the Bush visit. It was a closed party organized for the purpose of creating nice images for the national media. And asking the city of La Crosse to pay for the promotion of the president's re-election campaign amounted to a raid on the city treasury for political purposes. While communities have a responsibility to provide basic security for visiting candidates, there is no responsibility to pay for walling off those candidates from the people who live in the town.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:42 PM
Okay, I'll stop for awhile. I know its overwhelming.
Lots of news today. All over the place.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:43 PM
While McGreevey deserves condemnation for allowing his relationship with a foreign national gay partner to influence his decisions and cloud his judgment on important matters dealing with the security of New Jersey during a time of increasing terror threats, he should also be praised for not succumbing to Republican pressure to resign immediately and permit the Karl Rove dirty trick machine to use this tragedy for the McGreevey family to influence in what column New Jersey's 15 electoral votes land in November...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/081604Madsen/081604madsen.html
Cheney is eveel...
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 02:44 PM
eya Tonid
you recovered from baby sitting yet?
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 02:45 PM
"Republicans are fine if your a multi-millionare/
Democrats are fine if all you own is what you wear/Neither of them's really right because neither of them care/about that hot plate heaven/because they ain't been there"
Hot Plate Heaven at the Green Hotel, from Broadway the Hard Way, Mr. Zappa.
Dig Hot Rats, Sheik Yerbouti, You Are What You Is, Waka/Jawaka, Joe's Garage, Yellow Shark, the list goes on forever......
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 02:48 PM
Hi Jim,
Got a rest today. Back at it again tomorrow and friday.
School starts next week though. I love them...but they wear me out.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 02:49 PM
Charlie, got it, check YOUR email!
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 02:50 PM
Hey Toni,
I posted those talking points upblog and am working on finding stories to go with each of them.
It's eye-opening! I'm also writing a letter to the editor of the Seatlle Times using these points as a springboard.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 02:53 PM
this one has video's, you just need quicktime
http://www.maniaman.com/mudshark.html
here's zappa dot com...streaming zappa radio etc
http://www.zappa.com/splash.html
and here's some more zappa sites
http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/other/
Well i'm about ta git sick
from watchin my TV
Been checkun out the news
until my eyeballs fail ta see
I mean ta say that everyday
is another rotten mess
and when its gonna change my freind
is anybodys guess
So i'm watchin and i'm waitin
hoping for the best
even think i'll go to prayin
everytime i hear them sayin
that theres no way to delay
that trouble coming everyday
no way to delay that trouble coming everyday
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 02:54 PM
takes a while
to get back into
practice for me sister!
what a blast they are though!
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 02:55 PM
We went from a
Revolution
To an uprising
To a stalemate
To a threat
To a surrender
To a vote
A voice of reason.. we will “teach them a lesson they will never forget.”
That is all it took!
Don’t you hate when you say “after my last drop of blood’?
Then you have to say “never mind”!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 02:56 PM
Dadalux is right! Zappa won the Cold War. It was considered a badge of honour to have a FZ record in Eastern Europe. Havel, the first president of Czechoslovakia, was a massive Zappa fan. He even wanted Mr. Zappa to be ambassador to Czechoslovakia, but the first Bush administration refused to do so (not surprising).
Joe's Garage was especially well known in Eastern Europe. Republicans love the homosexual stuff between robots. They really are FASCINATED by gay sex. They OBSESS about it. They know EVERY GRAPHIC DETAIL about anal sex, oral sex, fisting, and masturbation. EVERY DETAIL. One wonders why.....
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 02:58 PM
You know what's sad about "Trouble Every Day"?
It's true today. Very little has changed. That was written about the Watts riots. When I take the train downtown (I'm in Chicago), once you get past the last suburb, these parts of Chicago look like Najaf and Baghdad.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:00 PM
George Bush allowed dirty power plants to expand without controlling their emissions.
He definately isn't trying to make the world a safer place for people living near power plants because the President has slowed the enforcement of power plant pollution rules, called the New Source Review, which requires plants to add modern air pollution controls when they upgrade their facilities. Think Mike Leavitt, appointed head of the EPA by GWBush, will force the issue? Not a chance.
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000161.php
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:01 PM
the overwhelming
aspects of this all
diminish as one realizes
that changing personal behaviour
can have permanent positive reverberations.
as simple as just being a bit more
friendly or just showing some
respect to others.
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 03:02 PM
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 02:53 PM
My group has a letter and email writing campagne for the media right now also.
I've sent many emails. Haven't written and mailed anything yet.
Good Cathy. Any help now is a step in the right direction.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:03 PM
English, you had a good point about S&J at the RNC.
Maybe Sam and Janeane should be there to interview the protestors out in the pens, since they would be more sympathetic and less hostile. The interviews would also point out the fact that protestors aren't allowed anywhere near Bush.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:03 PM
Written by Barbara Stock
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Questions continue to appear faster than answers these days about John Kerry’s ever-changing four months as a swift boat captain in Viet Nam.
The latest scuffle involves a cast of characters including the Reverend David Alston, Fred Short, Captain Ted Peck, and, of course, John Kerry.
David Alston stood before the crowd and recalled the many harrowing experiences he had shared with his good friend and former captain, John Kerry.
Alston kept the crowd in a rapt and hushed silence as he professed his undying love and devotion to his good friend. ''I know him from a small boat in Vietnam where we fought and bled together serving our country. We usually patrolled the narrow waterways of the Mekong Delta, flanked on both sides by thick jungle. After combat engagements Lieutenant Kerry always took the time to calm us down, to bring us back to reality, to give us hope, to show us what we truly had within ourselves. I came to love and respect him as a man I could trust with life itself.''
It sounds like a movie script. Doesn’t a vision of Tom Hanks leading his band of men in search of Pvt. Ryan across France spring to mind? Eating together, sleeping together, protecting each other in battle in the steamy jungles of Viet Nam, and the brave young captain comforting his crew in hard times. Yes, David Alston managed to cram all of these experiences into the six days he actually served on John Kerry’s swift boat PCF-94. Not only that, he became devoted to a man with whom he actually only saw combat a total of two times. That’s right--twice.
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=9097
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 03:05 PM
• George Bush endangered pregnant workers when he stopped regulating exposure to the chemicals used in the manufacturing of semiconductors.
working on this right now. Anyone got a good source on info about this handy?
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:06 PM
I wonder how many Chicago area people we have on this blog?
Here are the people I know, add your name of you are from Chicago area.
GAP
tonid
English Opium Eater
Will from Chicago (I hope he comes back)
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:06 PM
Andy I forgot our wonderful Terry Wilke!!!
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:06 PM
*
Ya
Watts!
was there, on
my first motorcycle
my early years in LA, worked
nearby, went there for cigs and brewskies.
knew some a the ol timers, got
my news from them eh?
cool ol guys, we
usually talked
'Blues'
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 03:07 PM
***************
Hey Mucki..
***************
frank wanted to talk with you about something..
Don't know what you two have cookin..
But check the Blog last night about 11 pm.
Did you get hired to be our new troll??
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 03:11 PM
BTW< on NPR right now, the are interviewing a reporter from Salon.com who has snuck into the holy shrine under seige by American forces.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:13 PM
Hi Toni D, fellow Illinoisian. Were you as nauseous as I was about Alan Keyes? Most state wide Republicans in Illinois are moderates. They have to be. So why did they nominate the black Mussolini?
Cathy, sent you another email.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:14 PM
eya Csea
afternoon!
give us a readers digest version?
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 03:16 PM
Okay, this is funny.
I just got an email from one of my very republican friends and the email addys are from her very republican friends.
Just goes to show you where priorities really are!
Here's part of the email, I've seen it before, but never from repubs during an election year.
************
Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.
That change would be to:
Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us ......
then sit back.....
and watch how fast they would fix it.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:16 PM
Hi Toni D, fellow Illinoisian
Hi English!!!
Who else would want that but Keyes. He's a loser and the Repubs know they are going to lose.
None of the others want to chance the loss, maybe for a future election.
I'm not really worried about him. He's a whipping boy and is there just to make noise.
Alan Keyes = L O S E R !!!
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:20 PM
Absolutely....light a volcano under their soddy asses....When it's their ass on the line.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:21 PM
Kerry Decries Bush Plan to Recall Troops
By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer
CINCINNATI - John Kerry (news - web sites), telling fellow combat veterans he's their "true brother in arms," said Wednesday that President Bush (news - web sites)'s plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Europe and Asia would weaken U.S. security and embolden nuclear-armed North Korea (news - web sites).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That Kerry a good War Dog!
But I hope he don't plan to lead troops against "nuclear-armed North Korea"
That is taking the throwing rocks at tanks thing too far!
Makes me wonder..
If there is a crisis..
Would Kerry would be more confident trying to back down Korea without 30,000 of our own troop in the blast zone?
But oh well, his heart is in the right place!
He is trying!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 03:23 PM
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn0921.html
CounterPunch
September 21, 2002
American Journal
An Entire Class of Thieves
Was it all the fault of Ayn Rand, of Carter and Kennedy, of the Chicago School, of Hollywood, of God's Demise?
by ALEXANDER COCKBURN
Now, there was indeed a vast criminal class coming to full vicious potential in the 1990s: a group utterly vacant of the most elementary instincts of social propriety, devoid of moral fiber, selfish to an almost unfathomable degree. The class comes in the form of our corporate elite.
Given a green light in the late 1970s by the deregulatory binge urged by corporate-funded think tanks and launched legislatively by Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy, by the 1990s America's corporate leadership had evolved a simple strategy for criminal self-enrichment.
Step one: lie about your performance, in a manner calculated to deceive investors. This was engineered by the production of a "pro forma" balance sheet freighted with accounting chicanery of every stripe and hue, willingly supplied by Arthur Andersen and others. Losses were labeled "capital expenditures"; losing assets were "sold" to co-conspirators in the large banks for the relevant accounting period. Later, using Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, slightly more realistic balance sheets would be presented to the SEC and the IRS.
Flaunting the "pro forma" numbers, corporations would issue more stock, borrow more money from some co- conspiratorial bank, buy back the stock for the chief executives, who would further inflate its value by dint of bogus accountancy, sell the stock to the chumps and bail out with their millions before the roof fell in, leaving pension funds like CalPERS holding the bag. The fortunes amassed by President Bush and Vice President Cheney are vivid illustrations of the technique.
The scale of looting? Prodigious. This orgy of thievery, without parallel in the history of capitalism, was condoned and abetted year after year by the archbishop of our economy, Alan Greenspan, a man with a finely honed sense of distinction be
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 03:25 PM
For dada.....
Thou shalt keep thine religion to thyself.
---George Carlin
[his "11th" commandment]
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 03:27 PM
But my all-time favorite.....
I do not find in orthodox Christianity
One redeeming feature.
----Thomas Jefferson
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 03:29 PM
Concerns over economy persist
Wed Aug 18, 7:30 AM ET
• Fewer new jobs. On Aug. 6, the Labor Department (news - web sites)'s monthly report on payroll employment showed 78,000 jobs were created in June and 32,000 jobs in July, compared with an average of 225,000 a month through the first five months of the year. The numbers shocked economists and fueled talk that the economy remains sick.
Bush is about 1.2 million jobs short of the total number of U.S. jobs when he took office. If job creation recovers its earlier pace, the economy could erase that deficit by year-end. But for that to happen before Election Day, the economy would have to generate an average 600,000 jobs a month - something that has happened only twice in records going back to 1955. If job creation stays sluggish, Bush could be stuck with the stigma of being the first president since Herbert Hoover to lose jobs on his watch.
• Sagging stock market. Stock prices, a key indicator of future growth, have been pointing south, weighed down by record oil prices, terrorism worries, election-related uncertainty and fears that business profit growth is slowing. Despite gains in the past two days, the benchmark Standard & Poor's 500 index is down more than 5% since early July, the biggest six-week drop since the buildup to the invasion of Iraq last year.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:30 PM
Funny cartoon from Mueller:
Two guys sitting at a bar.... one says to the other, "I like to think of myself as the harmless drunk George Bush could've been."
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 03:31 PM
Toni D-
Yes, I think that's part of it. A lot of them want to run for governor in 2006, so they don't want to risk humiliation. I think could Obama could conceivably win by 35-40 points.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:31 PM
eya LaL
howza foot dude
read yer good luck deal!
does'nt make it less ouchy does it?
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 03:31 PM
Steadfast in Defiance, Cleric Gains Stature With Iraq Masses
Wed Aug 18, 7:55 AM ET
By Tyler Marshall and Henry Chu Times Staff Writers
BAGHDAD — Militant cleric Muqtada Sadr's refusal Tuesday to meet with a delegation of Iraqi religious and political leaders is the clearest indicator yet that recent fighting in Najaf has strengthened the anti-American leader, some analysts say.
The snub, which followed last week's breakdown of talks with envoys of interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, made it clear that Sadr expected any resolution to the two-week confrontation to proceed on his terms and timetable. The message was reinforced by the 1,000 militiamen who greeted the delegation with raised fists and shouts of "Long live Muqtada!"
Although Allawi's government had decided to resume military operations to oust Sadr's forces from the sacred Imam Ali shrine they have occupied, he opted to let a new round of talks proceed.
Several observers say Allawi and U.S. forces have no viable options other than trying for a negotiated end to the uprising because attempting to crush Sadr militarily would carry too high a political price.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:33 PM
my favorite religion/god quotes are from Joseph Campbell
"The problem with Yahweh is he thinks he's God"
"When any mythology is alive there is no need for explanation" (ie "bible study groups")
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:34 PM
English - Right, but I don't think they will get Governor for awhile. Ryan made sure the people won't trust a repub Gov. If Blagojavich screw up really bad is the only way.
Like the Way Gov. B is pushing the Bush admin on purchasing medicines, not only in Canada, but the UK and elsewhere. Go Gov. B!!!
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:37 PM
Hey Sunny...
as I said, dodged a bullet!
it's still I bit "ouchy"
the cat jumped up onto the bed & landed on my foot
I goddamn near passed-out, & the cat jumped two feet into the air at my howl! Ain't seen her since. :)
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 03:38 PM
That's silly.
They don't need to depend on SS, they have other resources.
Posted by: KevinK at August 18, 2004 03:38 PM
I am reading the Marquis de Sade's Justine. The Marquis's arguments against religion are incredibly persuasive. De Sade was more than just a sexual sadist. A method to his madness, so to speak. But, one cannot deny the spiritual essence of man. It's what Tolstoy wrote, that man cannot live without faith. That there is this spiritual nothingness that cannot be denied if we don't have some faith or another. Something to believe in. Art is my religion....
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:39 PM
~~~~"Well just saying that the job is getting done doesn't make it so. The job will be done when 500,000 veterans are not excluded from the VA healthcare system. . . . The job will be done when we are not closing VA hospitals so that veterans have difficulty reaching the very care that they need. . . . The job will be done when the Veterans Administration secretary does not have to complain publicly that he needs more than the White House wanted to give him," Kerry said.~~~~
Another big smootch for that hottie, Toni D!
*you may blush, again...:)*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 03:42 PM
Yeah, Governor B. is very good. People underestimate him all the time. Remember, this is the guy who went into a war zone to retrieve POW's from the Kosovo war (and Clinton kept on bombing).
Bush never did that (2 hours in Baghdad doesn't count. Wouldn't surprise if that was shot on a soundstage somewhere).
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:42 PM
hey ya'll
manager ok'd time to take off to goto rnc, yay
how ya doin jim?
Posted by: Kyle at August 18, 2004 03:42 PM
Thousands Apply for California Port Jobs
25 minutes ago Add U.S. National -
LOS ANGELES - Hundreds of thousands of applicants are competing for 3,000 temporary jobs at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, hoping for lucrative wages in an otherwise weak labor market.
The jobs, which pay $20 to $28 an hour, were created to handle a record amount of cargo coming through both ports.
A Long Beach post office spokesman said Tuesday that a conservative estimate put the number of mailed-in applications at 220,000 to 250,000. The number may have been inflated by applicants sending in more than one each, though officials have said people who do so would be rejected.
The International Longshore and Warehouse Union asked a mediator whether the hiring process could be delayed to ensure that everything runs smoothly, but the mediator ordered the union and West Coast shipping lines to proceed with their lottery and begin picking the 3,000 new dockworkers Thursday, as planned.
A reminder of the Depression years. Soup Kitchens next. Thank you Hoover/Thank you Bush.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:42 PM
~~~Marquis de Sade's Justine~~~
*hubba, hubba*
I dare anyone to tell me they could put that book down after reading just 3 or 4 pages!
Addictive prose.....deliciously presented subject matter! *snark*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 03:46 PM
Thanks L@L. I am blushing again.
I know the feeling very well with the pain you are experiencing. Muscles, joints and tendons can be extremely painful.
Did your Dr. say anything about physical therapy?
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:47 PM
Don't remember Justine, English.
Is that the one about the priests with the tunnel to the nunnery or there was one also about a jail?
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:49 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 03:49 PM
>>I am reading the Marquis de Sade's Justine. <
Read that when I was 18. De Sade had a way with words...or images. Haven't gotten some of them out of my head yet. Jimmie or ICEKNIFE, can we preform exorcisms on ourselves with ULC ministry credentials?
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:49 PM
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:
What's the exorcism for Cathy? What are you trying to exorcize from yourself?
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 03:52 PM
Yes, liberal at large, impossible to put down Justine. Blasphemous. You can get all the Marquis's books on amazon.com, or at Borders, surprisingly.
The Marquis is an acerbic bugger. So is Janeane. I wonder what she would think about me comparing her to the Marquis?
Justine would make an excellent film. There is a version out there by Eurotrash master Jess Franco, but it's rep is shit. It probably just concentrated on the whipping, knowing Franco.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:53 PM
My birthday just passed, and I told my mother and sister to buy me Juliette by the Marquis de Sade.
My mother is a clueless woman; I would give her lists of stuff to buy, and she would never check it. She bought me Frank Zappa's Sheik Yerbouti when I was a mere boy.
If there is any "list" by the FBI of people with "subversive" tastes, I'm on it, and I'll wear that badge proudly.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:55 PM
question for mrrpic readers.
Last week I made up a poll asking if people liked the Carmine segments or not. I had a couple of people say that they didn't like my answers because they didn't fit what they were feeling. I'm happy to make up a streamline poll w/o my commentaries if anyone thinks its necessary.
Let me know.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:56 PM
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*..Republicans love the homosexual stuff between robots. They really are FASCINATED by gay sex. They OBSESS about it. They know EVERY GRAPHIC DETAIL about anal sex, oral sex, fisting, and masturbation. EVERY DETAIL. One wonders why.....+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..
.*..+**.+**++.*..Frank Zappa PMRC testimony: While the wife of the Secretary of the Treasury recites "Gonna drive my love inside you" and Senator Gore's wife talks about "bondage" and "oral sex at gunpoint" on the CBS Evening News, people in high places work on a tax bill that is so ridiculous, the only way to sneak it through is to keep the public's mind on something else: Porn rock.+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+..
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (and Zappa covenant) at August 18, 2004 03:56 PM
Art is my religion....
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:39 PM
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be careful what you wish for...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 03:56 PM
Toni D-don't know about the tunnel. Haven't gotten there yet.
Repressive times during the Marquis's time.
Similar to today.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:57 PM
Hello — I just want to take a moment to praise Janeane and Sam and whoever else is responsible behind the scenes at AAR for the long and illuminating interview with Prof. Juan Cole Monday night. It was such a relief to hear his outrage at the burning of the Pakistani Al-Qaeda mole, to hear rage that matches my own. I've been reading Cole's blog for nearly a year, and have been flogging his point-of-view to everyone I encounter who thinks we've done right by Iraq.
When the USA (i.e., the military, administration and sordid host that enabled its selection) allowed the burning of the Baghdad Library, I thought that was it. That has proved to be the case. I can't think of another action, or lack of action, that could have more clearly transmitted the cavalier heart of the mission.
Please continue to expose us to people like Prof. Cole and points of view that are rarely carried in the brand-name media.
Again, thank you, and power to your elbows.
Posted by: Jeany at August 18, 2004 03:57 PM
Rumsfeld: Use Caution in Reform of Intelligence
By Josh White and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page A01
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld warned senators yesterday that moving hastily to centralize all U.S. intelligence-gathering efforts under a new national director could spawn confusion while the country is at war and could prevent vital information from getting to those on the battlefield.
Pledging to work with Congress to "strengthen our ability to live in this new and dangerous world," Rumsfeld said that he believes the Pentagon and the CIA have created a strong, interlocking relationship to close gaps revealed by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), left, and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld speak before a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, of which Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.) is a member. Warner suggested a less dramatic reorganization than a centralization of U.S. intelligence gathering. (Melina Mara -- The Washington Post)
Adding another layer of bureaucracy, he said, could place "new barriers and filters" between the Defense Department's intelligence offices and the field commanders who rely on their data. He added that he prefers having separate agencies that can focus on their specialties rather than a "single and preeminent national intelligence organization."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7833-2004Aug17.html?referrer=email
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:00 PM
Keep it in mind, Dadalux.
Going to go now, I'm getting tired. I can't stay on line too long, get headaches.
Cathy in Seattle, I sent you another email, I'll answer you later today or tomorrow.
Au revoir....
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 04:00 PM
>>What's the exorcism for Cathy? What are you trying to exorcize from yourself?<<
Inner Demons. Well some of them anyway.
....and SPEAKING of exercise, I'm off for a while...!
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 04:03 PM
Israel's Sharon Confronts Party Rebels Before Vote
1 hour, 42 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Corinne Heller
TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) confronted Likud party rebels with a pledge to put the good of Israel first Wednesday as he battled to avoid an embarrassing defeat over his Gaza pullout plan.
He addressed a raucous Likud convention before voting began on a motion sponsored by party rightists to bar Sharon from bringing the center-left Labor Party into government to prop up his plan for "disengaging" from conflict with Palestinians.
"There are times in the life of a nation when it must make difficult decisions. The state of Israel has reached that moment," Sharon said of his plan to evacuate all Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) and a few from the West Bank.
"This is the voice of someone who knows how to lead a country above any interest, whether partisan or personal," said Sharon.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=574&ncid=721&e=4&u=/nm/20040818/wl_nm/mideast_dc
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:03 PM
can we preform exorcisms on ourselves with ULC ministry credentials?
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 03:49 PM
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here's my excorcism credentials:
http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/magick/arg_astrum.gif
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a "badge for people with subversive tastes," if you will...
having an ACLU card is like having a subversive badge...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 04:04 PM
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*Zappa: Is the PMRC attempting to save future generations from SEX ITSELF? The type, the amount, and the timing of sexual information given to a child should be determined by the parents, not by people who are involved in a tax scheme cover-up.+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*The PMRC has concocted a Mythical Beast, and compounds the chicanery by demanding 'consumer guidelines' to keep it from inviting your children inside its sugar walls. Is the next step the adoption of a "PMRC National Legal Age For Comprehension of Vaginal Arousal". Many people in this room would gladly support such legislation, but, before they start drafting their bill, I urge them to consider these facts:
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.* (1) There is no conclusive scientific evidence to support the claim that exposure to any form of music will cause the listener to commit a crime or damn his soul to hell. + *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*(2) Masturbation is not illegal. If it is not illegal to do it, why should it be illegal to sing about it? + *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*(3) No medical evidence of hairy palms, warts, or blindness has been linked to masturbation or vaginal arousal, nor has it been proven that hearing references to either topic automatically turns the listener into a social liability. + *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*(4) Enforcement of anti-masturbatory legislation could prove costly and time consuming.
+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*(5) There is not enough prison space to hold all the children who do it.+ *.* * + *.* .+ .* *..+**.+**++.*..+ .* *..+**.+**++.*.+ *.* .+ .*.* *..+**.+**+...*..+**.+**++.*
Posted by: The New World Order Ladies Choir (and Zappa covenant) at August 18, 2004 04:06 PM
Jeany,
As much as it is anything else... we're a Juan Cole fan club here.
Come back often!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 04:07 PM
A little fun now!!!!
Here's Something You Don't See Every Day
Wed Aug 18, 8:15 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
LONDON (Reuters) - Strippers and pole dancers should be banned from performing in stretch limousines, according to a British report.
Councilors from the mountainous Welsh county of Gwynedd said many limousine hire companies were providing erotic dancers as entertainment for clients, but agreed in-car striptease was "inappropriate."
"Lately, stretch limousines have been used more and more," said the report prepared for the council's licensing committee.
"Some operators are providing entertainment to clients within the vehicle which may involve inappropriate activities such as lap dancing, giving rise to concerns about indecency."
The report did not make clear how many companies were offering motorized pole dancing in North Wales.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:07 PM
impressive Dada, how many exorcisms have you preformed and do I actually have to tell you why I want it?
I was hoping my ULC ministry credentials would be enough to preform one on myself.
BTW, for a few extra dollars you can buy a specific title like "Father" or "Priestess" but I didn't see "Vestal Virgin" listed on the ULC site. That's the one I want.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 04:08 PM
exercise is a good way to exorcise inner demons
then you get them to tell you what they know, even get them to work for you if need be
thats the method that comes highly recommended by solomon, anyways...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 04:11 PM
Mucky, if you are lurking...here's a story for you!!!
Restaurant for Cats Opens in New York
Wed Aug 18,11:13 AM ET Add Strange News - AP to My Yahoo!
NEW YORK - Dressed in a tuxedo, Simba sat at the front of one of Manhattan's newest dining establishments and nodded at people who greeted him. Then he yawned, began to roll on the floor and lick his paws. That's acceptable behavior at the Meow Mix Cafe, a new eatery designed especially for cats and their human owners.
Simba, an 8-month-old kitten, was joined by about two dozen other tabbies, Persians and Burmese for a feast at Tuesday's grand opening of the cafe, which is owned by the Meow Mix Company, a Secaucus, N.J.-based cat food maker.
"Why not take your cat out for dinner?" asked Simba's owner, Leah Thompson, 19. "There's always things for dogs, but never cats."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040818/ap_on_fe_st/cat_cafe&e=1
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:12 PM
Toni -- ~~~physical therapy?~~~
Well....ahhhh.....ya see, Toni.....the Dr. doesn't want me out of bed till the 30th.
THEN, he said, he's gonna consider PT.
As for the not "out of bed" order....I've been a Baaaad Boy! As I said, my wife & kids have threatened to handcuff me to the bed. :)
Try this for the once-over-lightly on Justine!
http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/justine.php
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 04:15 PM
Thanks, Dada, now I'm really off to exercise.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 04:16 PM
"This will be a civilized lesson for those in Fallujah, Samarra, Mosul, Yusufiyah or Basra. There is no lenience ... with those people."
-- Iraq State Minister Qassim Dawoud
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/main541815.shtml
Fishgrease:
I think Allawi will attack the shrine within 12 hours of now... 1615 hrs ET 08/18/2004
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 04:16 PM
The First Amendment, they insist, was designed only to keep government from controlling churches, and not at all the reverse. Furthermore, they insist, these framers were themselves devoted Christians and wanted a government that supported Christianity without favoring one denomination over another.
government should have no control over religion
religion should excercise no control over the
government
we are not a Christian nation
but Christians live here
along with Moslems
Mormans, Jews, and Sadists.
The point is to try and to accomodate everyone
without infringing on anyone's rights using universally accepted mores, should such mores
exist.
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 04:17 PM
c -sea you could probably petition them for the title of "vestal virgin," i bet they'd accomidate you
and i think you could do one on yourself definitely
don't you know those credentials impart many wonderful powers
(hee hee)
unless you feel you cant, thats the only reason to look for help
i'm still a beginner when it comes to exorcisms
but i'm getting there...
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 04:17 PM
A WICCAN WINS ONE
Wed Aug 11, 8:00 PM ET
By James J. Kilpatrick
If you ask politely, Darla Kaye Wynne will acknowledge that she is indeed a Wiccan, which is to say, a Witch -- but a Witch in the same uppercase way that Muslims are Islamic and Baptists are Christians. Her religious beliefs are rooted in pagan rites that antedate Christianity by a thousand years. Sad to say, some good Christians in Chester County, S.C., have treated her in a most un-Christian way.
James J. Kilpatrick
Perhaps her troubles will ease now that the 4th U.S. Circuit has ruled in her favor. Then again, maybe not. A huge part of the history of religion is a history of bigotry, zealotry, and gross intolerance of nonbelievers. South Carolinians are probably no better and no worse than humankind everywhere.
Wynne's story is not especially novel, and the 4th Circuit's opinion of July 22 is not exactly a landmark in the field of First Amendment jurisprudence. Nonetheless, the case merits a few minutes of your time.
The story begins in 1997, when Wynne moved from the cold climes of Alaska to the warmer fields of South Carolina. She was single, aged 33. She found employment as a home-care aide and driver for Alzheimer's patients. With her parrot, her Yorkshire terrier and two pet raccoons, she settled in Great Falls (pop. 2,194), some 40 miles north of Columbia. Largely out of curiosity, she began attending monthly meetings of the town council. Usually fewer than a dozen citizens showed up.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:20 PM
L@L....silly boy!!! I know you can't jump right up this minute to take PT. I just wondered if your DR. mentioned it to you. Later when you can walk with less pain, it will help you.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:24 PM
hey everyone - good afternoon! i just have a moment to pop by and say hi (work keepin' me busy). i hope you all have seen this picture of a bush supporter assaulting a protester in portland last friday:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/18/114029/961
scroll down just a teeny bit to see the pic.
back later....
Posted by: annatopia at August 18, 2004 04:25 PM
~~~...comparing her to the Marquis?
Justine would make an excellent film.~~~
Jeneane as Justine......double hubba, hubba! :)
And as Goody would post for Katarina (our resident blog flirts):
**********
oo
[proportionality, notwithstanding! :) ]
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 04:27 PM
While Great Falls chews on its defeat, the plaintiff Wynne seeks surcease. Her home has been vandalized nine times. Hoodlums have killed her cat and hanged its gutted body. Someone put sand in the gas tank of her truck. Townspeople have ostracized her. Even so, she comes across over the telephone as the most cheerful Witch I ever met. My acquaintance is limited, to be sure, but in this one I stand on the lady's side.
this is horrible
she has the right to believe in anything she
wants
God does not control man
and when people act this way on God's behalf
it serves to only drive them away
what a lot of Christians do not grasp is that no one is better than anyone else
we are all just learning and trying to be happy
and we all have done crappy things
i am not trying to 'save' anyone here
i just wish that people did not hate Christians
because of how Bush has manevoroured them for
political gain
Posted by: Cb at August 18, 2004 04:29 PM
o samba:
Posted by: bibimimi at August 18, 2004 04:29 PM
Good afternoon all!
It's a very curious thing.. to use your opponent's tools against them.
I just followed a suggestion made by a caller on Al's show to use the 'write your letter to the editor' feature of the Bush '04 website...
...to write a letter to about 8 newspapers in Rhode Island about WHY Bush should not be re-elected.
It was quite beautiful.. and if they try to send email to the email address I gave them to validate me, I'll gladly have the letters sent to my spam bin.
I bet they've already traced my IP though. Ok, big woop I work at a university..
Posted by: Scoopster_RI at August 18, 2004 04:30 PM
once you get past the last suburb, these parts of Chicago look like Najaf and Baghdad.
Posted by: English Opium Eater at August 18, 2004 03:00 PM
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like north philly
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 04:31 PM
Op/Ed - Ted Rall
Add Op/Ed - Ted Rall to My Yahoo!
NYC TO GOP: DROP DEAD
Ted Rall - Tue Aug 17, 8:00 PM ET
Tourists are pleasantly surprised when New Yorkers act as friendly and polite as the people back home in Maybury. However, delegates to this month's Republican National Convention shouldn't expect to be treated to our standard out-of-towner treatment. The Republican delegates here to coronate George W. Bush are unwelcome members of a hostile invading army. Like the hapless saps whose blood they sent to be spilled into Middle Eastern sands, they will be given intentionally incorrect directions to nonexistent places. Objects will be thrown in their direction. Children will call them obscene names.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=748&e=1&u=/ucru/20040818/cm_ucru/nyctogopdropdead
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:39 PM
Back in a few, guys.
My English Muff is making sauce & I insist on making the (Norwegian Mafia) meatballs! *snark*
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 04:39 PM
******* News Flash *********
Al-Sadr OKs Plan to End Fighting in Najaf
8 minutes ago
By ABDUL HUSSEIN AL-OBEIDI, Associated Press Writer
NAJAF, Iraq - Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr accepted a peace plan Wednesday for Najaf that would disarm his militiamen and remove them from a holy shrine where they are hiding out, according to a spokesman. However, Al-Sadr wanted to negotiate how the deal would be implemented.
Latest headlines:
· Al-Sadr OKs Plan to End Fighting in Najaf
AP - 8 minutes ago
· Two Inmates Killed in Abu Ghraib Riot, U.S. Military Says
Reuters - 21 minutes ago
· Iraq Cleric Agrees End Uprising, Fighting Continues
Reuters - 25 minutes ago
Special Coverage
Meanwhile, in Baghdad, the Iraqi National Conference picked 81 members of a National Council that will act as a watchdog on the interim Iraqi government until January elections. Instead of voting on the 81 as planned, conference delegates approved a candidate list after a competing list was withdrawn.
The cleric's decision came just hours after Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Shaalan said the government was prepared to raid the revered Imam Ali shrine as early as Wednesday to root out the militants.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20040818/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:43 PM
BBC's Version of the news.
Iraq cleric 'to end Najaf revolt'
US-led troops have been fighting Sadr forces for nearly two weeks
Radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr has reportedly agreed to Iraqi government demands to end an uprising in the holy city of Najaf.
Delegates at a conference to select an interim Iraqi council were told Mr Sadr had agreed to leave the Imam Ali shrine and disarm his Mehdi militia.
However, fighting continues in Najaf, where Mr Sadr's forces have battled US-led troops for nearly two weeks.
Delegates later chose 81 members of the council without holding a planned vote.
The developments came as the conference met for an unscheduled fourth day on Wednesday in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3577348.stm
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:46 PM
Toni... I hope I'm wrong but I think Al Sadr will be attacked in the shrine at sunrise Najaf time... 6-7 hours from now. The only thing that would prevent that (I think) is the desertion of those Iraqi troops assembled to do it. I don't put it past this Allawi bunch to hold those soldiers' families as assurance.
Small snippets from the Allawi government make me think they are not interested in Al Sadr's acceptance of any peace deal.
I think we're hours from extreme violence.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 04:51 PM
Fishgrease.....That is why I wanted to see of another World Paper had a different spin on this.
You notice the fighting hasn't stopped.
You may be right, but if they do kill him now, after he agreed to end the fighting, there will be hell to pay. Then things surely will change.
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:54 PM
I think the attack could come toward the end of tonight's show... or... if a night time attack (unlikely because I doubt Iraqi troops are trained or equipped for night attacks) it could come at any time.
Again... I very sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 04:56 PM
I emailed Al Franken's Flippity Flop skit to a friend today and he emailed it to a republican who in turn responded to each claim. Can someone out there respond to what this republican said in response?
Thanks
This first part was what he wrote about the whole thing. ...
There is not one correct line in this! Please tell whoever sent this to you to go to www.factcheck.org and to please look at Kerry’s voting record in the Senate. He voted against 76% of the exact same issues that he said he would implement if he was president and that is an undisputed fact that can be proven.
George W. Bush has a funny way of flip-flopping on the issues.
He was against a Homeland Security Department. FLIP
Are you kidding me. He instituted a homeland security dept.
Then he was for it. FLOP
He was against the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill. FLIP McCain is a democrat who holds on to a republican nametag. His bill was instituted after he got shot down in his presidential run.
But then he was for it. FLIP-FLOP
Bush said he was for free trade. FLIPPITY
What do the democrats want, free trade and then they complain when we lose jobs to foreign countries. Flip Flop, Cake and Eat it too-You decide.
But then he put on steel tariffs. FLOP
This was so we could use American Made Steel. I love the democrats. Tarriffs make for higher domestic goods usage.
Then he was against the tariffs again. FLIPPITY FLOP
The democrats complained about losing jobs and lowered GDP. Come on.
Bush said the states should decide about gay marriage. FLIPPITY
This is absolutely not true. He never ever said that. He has always said that gay marriage was unconstitutional. Please show me where he said this.
Then he was for changing the Constitution. FLIPPITY FLOP, OR IS IT FLOPPITY FLIP?
He introduced 2 bills that restore the constitution to repair the damage done by the liberal federal and Supreme court justices who keep changing it to fit the left wing agenda-You will recall trying to take In God We Trust off of our money, take the pledge of allegiance out of schools etc.
Bush said he would put mandat
Posted by: Scott at August 18, 2004 04:56 PM
Here is another paper:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1285589,00.html
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:00 PM
Here's more...
Bush said he would put mandatory caps on Carbon Dioxide. FLOOPITY
He did and the bill passed in congress, and regulations were mandated to reduce all automobile emissions as federal law by 2008 by all auto manufacturers.
Then he said he wouldn’t. FLOOPPITY-FLEE
Please. See above.
Bush said he’d leave no child behind. FLOPITTY
The liberal judges who have taken away parents rights to teach and discipline their children are now fully responsible for the shape of education now. Kids can sue their parents, you can’t spank your own children etc, so now school halls are filled with violence and it is ridiculous to do as the democrats would have you do and just pass every child anyway to keep them moving.
But refused to fund it, leaving millions of children of behind. BYE BYE POOR CHILDREN, WE’RE LEAVING YOU BEHIND, SORRY. OH, I CAN’T SEE YOU NOW, YOU’RE SO FAR BEHIND. I’VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU.
With the complete lack of censorship in the movies and video games that are now raising our children, it is no wonder that all they want to do is have sex and shoot one another. Another reason that we should listen to Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand and that idiot Michael Moore. I will say it again, These people are actors not politicians!!!!!!!!
Bush said he against an independent 9/11 commission. FLIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
There would not have been the need for a 9/11 commission if Bubba would have taken care of this in 1992 instead of skirt-chasing.
But then reluctantly agreed to one. FLOPPITY FLOOP
He was not reluctant.
Bush said we were going to war in Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein. FLIPPITY
Question: When Saddam use chemical weapons to kill millions of his own people, would that be considered a WMD or is just a couple of million not worthy of a title like that?
But when it turned out there weren’t any WMD’s, he said the war was to fight al Qaeda. FLIPPITY-FLOPPITY
Again: Chemical Weapons which were found (Risen, Anthrax etc) are WMD’s.
But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOOP
He got rid of a horrible dictator, democrats would hav
Posted by: Scott at August 18, 2004 05:01 PM
Here's more...
Bush said he would put mandatory caps on Carbon Dioxide. FLOOPITY
He did and the bill passed in congress, and regulations were mandated to reduce all automobile emissions as federal law by 2008 by all auto manufacturers.
Then he said he wouldn’t. FLOOPPITY-FLEE
Please. See above.
Bush said he’d leave no child behind. FLOPITTY
The liberal judges who have taken away parents rights to teach and discipline their children are now fully responsible for the shape of education now. Kids can sue their parents, you can’t spank your own children etc, so now school halls are filled with violence and it is ridiculous to do as the democrats would have you do and just pass every child anyway to keep them moving.
But refused to fund it, leaving millions of children of behind. BYE BYE POOR CHILDREN, WE’RE LEAVING YOU BEHIND, SORRY. OH, I CAN’T SEE YOU NOW, YOU’RE SO FAR BEHIND. I’VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU.
With the complete lack of censorship in the movies and video games that are now raising our children, it is no wonder that all they want to do is have sex and shoot one another. Another reason that we should listen to Alec Baldwin, Barbara Streisand and that idiot Michael Moore. I will say it again, These people are actors not politicians!!!!!!!!
Bush said he against an independent 9/11 commission. FLIIIIIIIIIIIIIP
There would not have been the need for a 9/11 commission if Bubba would have taken care of this in 1992 instead of skirt-chasing.
But then reluctantly agreed to one. FLOPPITY FLOOP
He was not reluctant.
Bush said we were going to war in Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein. FLIPPITY
Question: When Saddam use chemical weapons to kill millions of his own people, would that be considered a WMD or is just a couple of million not worthy of a title like that?
But when it turned out there weren’t any WMD’s, he said the war was to fight al Qaeda. FLIPPITY-FLOPPITY
Again: Chemical Weapons which were found (Risen, Anthrax etc) are WMD’s.
But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOOP
He got rid of a horrible dictator, democrats would hav
Posted by: Scott at August 18, 2004 05:02 PM
Toni,
~~~ You may be right, but if they do kill him now, after he agreed to end the fighting, there will be hell to pay. Then things surely will change. ~~~
I think Allawi and his American handlers have, perhaps correctly, figured out that they are in a no-win situation and that there will be hell to pay now... no matter what they do. I can't imagine they want Al Sadr around any longer and are gonna take their chances. Now that the conference is over in Baghdad and they have their puppet congress chosen, there's no reason for delay.
Here come de revolution.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:04 PM
More...
But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOOP
He got rid of a horrible dictator, democrats would have you believe the world would be a better place with him still in power. They need to wake up and understand that the Muslim/Arab militant nations do not want to shake hands and be friends with us as Kerry will have you believe. They hate us and want us to die and always have. Please wake up and smell this fact.
So then he said the war was to bring Western style democracy to the entire Middle East. FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOP, FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP
He did not!!!! He went there to unseat this minion of evil. Please show me where “western style democracy” was ever his agenda. He said that millions were dying under the tyranny of an evil dictator and these people had the right to live and to govern themselves.
He said he wouldn’t invade Iraq without a vote in the UN. FLIP
The UN sucks. They have countries like Germany and France making decisions that are wrong, but nobody questioned them and their reasoning for voting against war. The fact is that both of those countries had huge business with Iraq and Saddam and if Iraq became a democracy, they(the people) could choose who to do business with and people other than Saddam would reap the benefits. Come on!!!
But then he invaded without a vote. FLOPPITY FLOOP
Something had to be done while the UN floundered with Germany and France’s indecision. You forget, we were going on intelligence that came from several countries intelligence communities. We acted on the information that we had.
But now he wants to UN to save his butt. (to tune of: Off to See the Wizard) FLIPPITY FLOPITTY FLOOP. FLIPPITY FLOPPITY FLOOP, FLIPPITY FLOPPITY, FLIPPITY FLOPPITY. FLIPPITY FLOPPITY FLOOP
WHATTTTTTTT? He wants nothing of the sort. Now the UN wants to be a part of the new democracy that WE created because they smell money and profit with an oil filled democracy in the middle east- The first one of it’s kind over their. NO KING and NO DICTATOR. Now Germany and France are jumping on board and saying that what we did was a good thing.
He said he w
Posted by: scott at August 18, 2004 05:05 PM
Secretive bank gets new scrutiny
Doreen Carvajal/IHT Wednesday, August 18, 2004
EIB lends billions but is an unknown
LUXEMBOURG The world's largest and most obscure public bank rises above the Kirchberg Plateau in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg like a cream and concrete layer cake, sheltering a potent, blue-chip financial institution that has ever so discreetly managed to outspend and outborrow the much better-known World Bank in Washington.
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On almost any given day inside the hushed art-filled headquarters of the European Investment Bank, officials borrow millions in international currencies in a ceaseless torrent of everything from euros to Polish zloty. From its coffers, the money spreads to regional development projects such as power stations in Northern Ireland, or to shiny trams for Barcelona. It flows to oil pipelines in Pakistan and geranium plantations in Kenya.
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Most people who ultimately benefit from this bounty in their daily lives have no idea that their anonymous, wealthy benefactor is the European Investment Bank. But without the EIB, and its immense resources that enabled more than E42 billion, or $52 billion, in loans last year, many of these projects would not have flourished.
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Yet those who do know are not necessarily grateful. Critics regard the bank as a phantom power, the most secretive public institution lending money around the globe.
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It is a nonprofit bank owned by the European Union's 25 member nations that zealously guards its most vital documents and reveals little information about a third of its lending, called global loans.
.
http://www.iht.com/articles/534507.html
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:05 PM
last bit...
He said he was ushering in an era of personal responsibility. FLIPPITY
He is. We are not going to sit around and discuss issues when people are dying by the hundreds of thousands. We are going to liberate them just like we did to those really forgetful Europeans-French etc.
But refuses to take responsibility for all his flip-flops. FLIPPITY BYE BYE BUSH. SEE YOU IN FLIPPITY FLOPPITY LAND – THAT’S RIGHT – CRAWFORD FLIPPITY FLOOP TEXAS. FLOOP FLOOP!
Please see all of the above.
Posted by: Scott at August 18, 2004 05:07 PM
"Creatively altered maps of streets and subways will be handed out to button-clad stupid white men. "
FUNNY
"Other saboteurs wearing fake RNC T-shirts will direct them to parts of town where Bush's policies have hit hardest. "
FUNNY
"Rumor has it that prostitutes suffering from sexually transmitted diseases will discourage the use of condoms with Republican customers."
NOT SO FUNNY. No one deserves to get a STD from their philandering spouse. Not even Republican Stepford Wives.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 05:07 PM
08/18/04
Crude futures logs closing price record atop $47 By Myra P. Saefong
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) -- September crude rose 52 cents to close at $47.27 a barrel in New York to log another record closing price. The intraday record was also set late in the session at $47.45 with traders pricing in a fall in U.S. crude and gasoline inventories for last week. Markets were still nervous as uncertainty surrounded possible peace between Shiite militants and U.S. forces in Najaf, Iraq.
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp?guid={D61EBB79-8A98-4CD1-B5E8-D16DEA748BF4}&siteid=mktw&dist=bnb
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:10 PM
>>******* News Flash *********
Al-Sadr OKs Plan to End Fighting in Najaf<<
Wasn't this what NPR was reporting this morning?
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3856461&place=home01
Sadr Agrees to Peace Plan
Morning Edition audio
Aug. 18, 2004
A spokesman for Muqtada al-Sadr confirms the radical cleric has agreed to withdraw his militia from the shrine of Imam Ali, leave Najaf, disarm and turn his movement into a peaceful political party. The deal would end a standoff with U.S. forces in Najaf. Hear NPR's Renee Montagne and NPR's Ivan Watson.
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 05:11 PM
Yes, Cathy... I just heard it again on NPR. I sill think Allawi's forces will attack Al Sadr 6-8 hours from now.
Just a guess.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:14 PM
It would happen toward the end o tonight's Majority Report show or very soon thereafter.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:15 PM
Soldier Sues U.S. Military Over Extended Service
Tue Aug 17, 7:00 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Adam Tanner
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A California Army National Guard sergeant filed a lawsuit on Tuesday asserting that the government can not prevent reservists from leaving the military when their enlistment periods end.
The suit against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other military officials names the plaintiff only as John Doe. It says he served with distinction in the Marine Corps and Army for nine years on active duty and three years as a reservist.
"This lawsuit seeks to stop the forced retention of men and women who have fulfilled their service obligations," said attorney Michael Sorgen. "When their period of enlistment ends, they should be entitled to return to their families."
"It's not that he's a coward," he added. "He's just had it up to here."
The Army has issued "stop-loss" orders preventing tens of thousands of soldiers designated to serve in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) from leaving the military if their volunteer commitment ends during their deployment. The Pentagon (news - web sites) has relied heavily on reservists to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040817/ts_nm/security_usa_reservists_dc
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:16 PM
Tonight's show ends at 0600 Najaf time. NO ONE attacks (in any major fashion) in Iraq right now during the heat of day.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:17 PM
Fish,
What do you think will be long term effects of the attack?
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 05:17 PM
W@W,
~~~ What do you think will be long term effects of the attack? ~~~~
Revolution. The overthrow of the Allawi government within a month or so, leaving our Military in a VERY pretty pinch. Bush is knitting his own noose here.
Of course, I could be as wrong about that as my guess that the attack is hours off right now. Just my best guesses.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:21 PM
Keyes says state needs an outsider
Illinois corrupt, Obama not for reform, he says
By H. Gregory Meyer, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporters David Mendell and Rudolph Bush contributed to this report
Published August 18, 2004
Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes charged Tuesday that politics in Illinois is chronically corrupt and that Democratic opponent Barack Obama wants to control the system, not reform it.
Keyes, a transplant from Maryland who had no ties with Illinois politics before he was selected as the GOP nominee this month, said his outsider status would be an asset in deodorizing what he called the "deeply smelly" nature of public corruption here.
"One of the problems in this state is this whole political machinery, in which bosses and their little cronies act in the interests of their little cliques," Keyes said after a news conference in Chicago. "People tell me, `Oh, Barack Obama has challenged the bosses.' He only challenges the bosses because he wants to be one of them. He doesn't want to end that system of corruption. He just wants to take it over."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/elections/chi-0408180326aug18,1,6652459.story
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:23 PM
Just guesses... but I believe them strongly enough to allow for the minor shame of being wrong.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:24 PM
thank god for archives, but it leaves me days behind. anyway, if anyone's still mulling over the debate about the male/female wage gap from 8/16, this is a great exchange on slate that ran along somewhat similar lines, at least to the extent of addressing the women's choices vs. cultural bias argument:
http://slate.com/id/2095545/entry/2095648/
I would love to see janeane garafolo in a smackdown with caitlin flanagan. And once again I'd like to push the Calexico cover of "Alone Again Or".
Posted by: gretchen at August 18, 2004 05:26 PM
Fishy & you guys -- 6 minutes ago 13:19 GMT (right?)
"What we heard [from the delegation] contains positive indications. We are willing to discuss them," said al-Shaibani.
There were chaotic scenes when the delegation arrived inside the shrine amid the sound of explosions and gunshots from fighting raging elsewhere in the city.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E1C995D7-B889-4D11-A898-3AFD585275AB.htm
There's 3 other stories on the homepage...
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 05:28 PM
still lookin for place to stay at rnc
anyone else also hunting?
Posted by: Kyle at August 18, 2004 05:31 PM
Some Musings
about the AMERICAN GAMES:
Michael Phelps, you Paris wannabee
PULL UP YOUR PANTS
and take a valium (or better two)
Gary Hall, where are you?
Starting to root for the Torpedo
even Hogenband -
can you believe it?
Ah, the days of the Russian Rocket!
Thrilled for Romania, tears for China!
And while the American sourpusses sulked
Even Svetlana the Great smiled and applauded
while dazzling on floor
Doing' the Gatson - hurrah!
but the stuff dreams are made of:
the Japanese on high-bar
Hiroyuki Tomita YAY!!!
(and this from from Alexei Nemov's
biggest fan
who was nowhere to be seen
thanks to American TeeVee)
to be continued
maybe
LOL
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 05:33 PM
Cartoon of the day!!
Bush's Stem Cell Problem - BuzzFlash Editorial Cartoon by Steve Bradenton
http://www.buzzflash.com/bradenton/04/08/bra04081.html
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 05:34 PM
FISHGREASE'S REASONING
Lets take a look at what Allawi has to gain from NOT attacking Al Sadr right now.
1) Okay Al Sadr pulls out of the shrine and disarms his Militia. That is, they give up the weapons they have with them in the shrine. Nothing. Most of Al Sadr's militia isn't even in the shrine. They are all over Iraq. AKs and grenade launchers are plintiful and cheap.
2) Al Sadr's militia becomes a political force... when Al Sadr beats Allawi in nationwide acceptance polls by a HUGE margin. Can anyone really believe Allawi or Negroponte wants this?
3) After all the bad things Al Sadr has said about the Allawi government and his American handlers... Al Sadr wins... he stays alive and remains a force with both political and military power.
That's what I'm thinking, folks.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:36 PM
What if a kinder, gentler CIA
chose to produce a low-cost
'designer drug' with special
'social engineering characteristics,'
and mount yet another covert civilian
Test for Proft, arranging for this
New Buzz to drive Traditional Flavors
out of the marketplace? It worked with
LSD. (And doesn't PCP - makes-you-crazy;
takes-five-guys-to-hold-you-down;etc.-
have a sort of 'militarily useful'
aura about it?)
---Frank Zappa
The Real Frank Zappa Book
A Touchstone Book,NY,Simon and Schuster,1989
-----------------------------
Americans like to talk about
(or be told about)Democracy
but,when put to the test,
usually find it to be an
'inconvenience.' We have opted
instead for an authoritarian system
DISGUISED as a Democracy.
We pay through the nose for an
enormous joke-of-a-government,
let it push us around,
and then wonder how all those
assholes got in there.
Communism doesn't work because
it is out of phase with human nature.
Are we going to wake up one day
to find this statement equally true
when applied to the concept
of Western Democracy?
---Frank Zappa
---i like this one...
"Frank Zappa wrote a song about dental floss, did anybodies teeth get cleaner?"
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 05:38 PM
>>Bush is knitting his own noose here.<<
Right or wrong Fishgrease, I'm enjoying this imagery. Thanks!
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 05:40 PM
Fishy -- can I make one prediction about al Sadr?
A .308 at 500 meters.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 05:41 PM
Did anyone hear Tom Scharpling's show last night? Sam (or someone doing a very convincing impression) called in. You can listen to it here: http://www.wfmu.org/playlists/BS . Sam's bit is just past the two hour mark.
Posted by: Mike Dixon at August 18, 2004 05:42 PM
I forgot to add with a 210 grain VLD Moly round!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 05:46 PM
all your children are poor unfortunate victims of the lies you believe.
a plague upon your ignorance which keeps the young from the truth they deserve.
--Frank Zappa, the songs "Absolutely Free," and "Lonely Little Girl," on the album we're only in it for the money
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 05:47 PM
Cathy,
~~~ Right or wrong Fishgrease, I'm enjoying this imagery. Thanks! ~~~
Here's some less pleasing imagery.
The attack will start with bullets traveling through the heads of journalists in Najaf at rifle velocities. Then the body's will be transported to near the shrine so that they can be said to have been killed in the fighting.
Allawi's goons weren't kidding when they threatened journalists in Najaf with death. Why would they risk the political capitol of the threats? American and other non-Iraqi soldiers of fortune... dressed in Arab garb (or maybe like pirates?) and CIA will be leading the attack into the shrine. Nobody picked this up days ago and he was and is correct. Since those journalists left alive will be in hiding... they'll get away with it too.
This is going to be very ugly, folks. Its almost a blessing the world won't see any of it.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:49 PM
Up close & personal in Najaf (1 minute)....(.mov format, so close your real player before clicking)
http://play.rbn.com/?url=ap/nynyt/g2demand/0818najaf_fight_SS.rm&proto=rtsp&mode=compact
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 05:54 PM
~~~ Fishy -- can I make one prediction about al Sadr? A .308 at 500 meters. ~~~
Nope. Al Sadr won't be anywhere in the open enough to get hit from that range. My guess is that he'll get caught in a tunnel trying to leave the shrine. By now... the American military has all of those covered. Doesn't matter where, or under what circumstances they kill him... its their story now.
Al Sadr is pretty slippery and he might not still even be IN the shrine... which would explain his not meeting with the delegation from Baghdad when they traveled there. If he's still there... they'll kill him.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:54 PM
Fish..
Good to see you back into the prediction business..
But I think you are wrong..
The shrine is the thing..
Why pay the price of attacking the shrine..
Let him come out..
If you still want him dead..
A 500lb laser bomb leaves nothing to parade around!
But I want to believe they will let him join the election..
If has the votes fine..
I don't think he does!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 05:56 PM
Dog,
~~~ Good to see you back into the prediction business ~~~
Yeah... I got my ass stuck out there pretty far on this one! Hey... just wanted to take away some of the sting from your last prediction!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 05:58 PM
More fuel for the Najaf fire....
Group to Kill U.S. Hostage if U.S. Doesn't Quit Najaf
39 minutes ago
DUBAI (Reuters) - Iraqi militants who said they captured a U.S. journalist last week have threatened to kill him within 48 hours, if U.S. forces do not pull out from the holy city of Najaf, Al Jazeera television reported on Thursday.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 06:00 PM
Kerry's former lover..
Guess she ran out of money...
Too bad really...
http://www.hedgefundmistress.com/JohnKerryScrapbook.html
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 06:00 PM
Sam sounding like a dick on that Tom Scharpling show.
Sam were you drunk at the time?
Posted by: KevinK at August 18, 2004 06:03 PM
There is one thing we have learned about these guys..
This truce / surrender / pause
Means nothing..
But they want him out of Najaf..
He may just pick another day to die!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 06:03 PM
We'll see, Dog...
We'll see.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:04 PM
Dog,
I've been so specific that if I'm wrong... I'm wrong tonight. Won't be long before I'm wrong.
I know you admire at least that.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:06 PM
DEMOCRACY NOW! DAILY EMAIL DIGEST
August 18, 2004
TODAY'S SHOW: Wednesday, August 18
* Exclusive: Israeli Nuclear Whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu Risks Jail
To Speak to Democracy Now! in First Nat'l U.S. Interview *
Risking prison again, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu defies
Israeli government restrictions and speaks for the first time to a
national audience in this country.
Mordechai Vanunu worked as a nuclear technician at Dimona, Israel's
secret nuclear installation from 1976 to 1985. He worked there at a
time
when Israel was insisting it would not be the first to introduce
nuclear
weapons to the Middle East. What Vanunu discovered is that Israel had
secretly developed an extensive nuclear program, hiding its existence
from the Israeli people and parliament, and the world.
Vanunu leaked information and photos of Israel's nuclear weapons
program
to the Sunday Times in London. He was subsequently kidnapped by Israeli
spy agency Mossad in Italy and then jailed. He would go on to spend 18
years behind bars including 11 in solitary confinement.
He was released on April 21 under strict government restrictions.
Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman reached Vanunu on his cell phone in East
Jerusalem where he has been staying since his release in April. He
defied the Israeli government's restriction on speaking with foreigners
to talk with us.
Listen/Watch/Read
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/18/136217
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 06:07 PM
Dog,
~~~ But they want him out of Najaf ~~~
No. They want him dead.
They might attack the shrine and still not get him. I think there's a chance he's no longer there.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:08 PM
good aternoon fello revolutionarys! :)
ima hope evryone is play nice here today.
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:10 PM
"obstain from sex
unless you are married, lest ye
perish from this righteous punishment (created,
of course, by a Kind And Loving God) in
order that he might maintain
penile discipline among naughty
little libertines like you."
---FZ
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 06:10 PM
Kroger Store
1094 N. Main St.
Bowling Green, OH 43402
Well, the gay marraige nazis have come to my hometown.
I went to the Kroger store to get a soda from their machine and heard a man with a clipboard say something about Kerry and November. I approached him and asked why he was collecting sigs.
He said he was collecting them to get an initiative on the ballot to define marriage as occuring ONLY between a man and a woman.
The first thing I said was "Gross". I tried to say it as forcefully as I could so that the person signing might think twice about it.
As i walked away I turned and said "Who created them anyway?" while pointing to the sky. I added that "He's alot more powerful than you!"
I don't subscribe to G*d having a gender, and I do think all people have equal rights. I wish I could have said what I wanted to say better, but I just wanted to leave.
Bastards.
Posted by: UncleSam at August 18, 2004 06:10 PM
Kurt Vonnegut will not be pleased.
---
Librarians as Wimps
"Sorry, Sir, Some Readers May Find Your Book Inflammatory"
By DAVE LINDORFF
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff08182004.html
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 06:11 PM
~~~If he's still there... they'll kill him.~~~
The sniper analogy wasn't specific.....you're correct. Hope dat boy got his insurance paid up.
Another thing...it prolly won't happen now unless it's under the cover of some other op.
I could see some other unit/group demonstrating (the military definition) there or on the outskirts and then.................pop!
That would be the classical/typical manuever.
I say within weeks, at the outside.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 06:12 PM
Fish...another look at the story!!
Mixed Signals On Iraq Standoff
Aug. 18, 2004
An aide to Muqtada al-Sadr says the cleric has agreed to a peace plan for Najaf, but wants to negotiate how it is implemented.
The official in Baghdad says the Shiite leader wants to ensure his fighters won't be arrested. The official said al-Sadr has other minor conditions.
Al-Sadr has made contradictory statements in the past and a previous truce collapsed earlier this month.
A Shiite delegate told the National Conference in Baghdad that al-Sadr had accepted a peace deal delivered in Najaf. The plan requires the cleric to disarm his fighters, pull them out of a shrine and turn them into a political party. In return they get amnesty.
But gunfire and explosions continued in Najaf even after the deal was announced. The militia has been fighting U.S. and Iraqi forces most of the month in Najaf.
Iraq's interim government has threatened to storm the Imam Ali Shrine if al-Sadr refuses to leave.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/24/iraq/printable541815.shtml
The deteriorating security situation in Najaf has led the United Nations to stop repatriating refugees to Iraq, the BBC reports.
The U.S. military said a rocket attack killed five civilians in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
Several mortar rounds were fired Wednesday at the headquarters of the Polish-led multinational force in Iraq, and seven people were injured, a military spokesman said.
In volatile Anbar Province, a Marine with the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force was killed in action Tuesday during "security and stability operations," the military reported.
An Iraqi health official says at least five civilians are dead and eight wounded in fighting about 120 miles southeast of Baghdad.
An Iraqi working for German ZDF television has been killed west of the Iraqi capital, the station's chief producer in Baghdad said Wednesday.
The Israeli army is training U.S. troops from Iraq in urban and guerilla warfare tac
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 06:14 PM
OK, I listened to the whole show and Sam was just goofing with his friend.
Posted by: KevinK at August 18, 2004 06:15 PM
LAL,
~~~ Another thing...it prolly won't happen now unless it's under the cover of some other op ~~~
In that case I'm totally wrong. I've predicted a very small time window for the attack. Tonight... USA time.
I don't mind being wrong. I won't whip myself. Its not like they're gonna kill me. Keep that in mind if I'm right too. Lucky guess.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:15 PM
what do you think of this?
I obtained a copy of 'A Higher Form
of Killing' by Jeremy Paxman and
Robert Harris, published by Hill &
Wang. On page 240 you will find
an exerpt from an Army manual discussing
the feasibility of manufacturing
and deploying "ethnic chemical weapons" --
designed to kill people from
SPECIFIC ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS.
On page 241 you will find an extract
from a 1969 Senate appropriations
hearing, with testimony (speaker
unidentified) regarding the
development of 'A NEW CLASS OF BIOLOGICAL
WEAPONS' (note the plural)
which would be "refractory" to
the human immunological system.
Who's testimony was this?
Was he asking for money
to build a few of these diseases?
What senators heard this testimony?
Are they still in office?
Did they appropriate any funds?
If so, who got them?
What did they eventually spend them on?
The book doesn't say, but
presumably some answers might be
found in >>>the Congressional Record<<<.
I also recommend 'The Mind of the
Bible Believer' by Edmund Cohen, Ph.D.,
'Salvation for Sale,' by Gerard Thomas Straub,
and 'Holy Terror,' by Flo Conway and
Jim Siegelman (for any of you wishing
to follow up on the church/state issues
discussed earlier).
Okay. That's it. THE END.
It's been a pleasure talking to you --
and DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER TO VOTE.
---
--Last page of the Real FZ Book, 1988
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 06:17 PM
Kerry's ex-girlfriend writes books for a living? Are you kidding me?? This will blow the TOP off the elections!! All I can say is.... Get use to 4 more years of Bush when the voters find out!
Reality check:
So what if she posts her "Lee [Hearts] John" scrapbook? They were single, and she's hawking some books. Who would even care?
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 06:17 PM
ALERT!!!
*****************************************************
Tell Kroger Food Stores that petitioners AGAINST gay marraige should find anopther place to petition!
http://www.kroger.com/customercomments.htm
*****************************************************
Posted by: UncleSam at August 18, 2004 06:18 PM
ima never hear of em kroger. are theyn regunal?
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:20 PM
So what if she posts her "Lee [Hearts] John" scrapbook? They were single, and she's hawking some books. Who would even care?
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 06:17 PM
I believe that when Kerry's newspaper boy releases his tell all book, Kerry is toast.
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 06:21 PM
Israeli Nuclear Whistleblower Risks Arrest, Again
An Interview with Mordechai Vanunu
By AMY GOODMAN
http://www.counterpunch.org/goodman08182004.html
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 06:22 PM
I thought I smelled something......
Don't make me drag out the "cuntsman" links for your frat boy while he was AWOL in Alabama, whelp!
Everyone, anyone....has got the right to get laid while they're single; albeit Dumbya's preference was for dimwitted, belle-of-the-ball, stepford types.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 06:22 PM
Muck,
I left you a post up blog.
Here it is:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040818/ap_on_fe_st/cat_cafe&e=1
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 04:12 PM
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 06:22 PM
HAHAHAHA!
They'd have a tough time finding any of MY old lovers who would admit having anything to do with me!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:22 PM
U.S. GIs To Raise Uzbek Tensions?
ALMATY, Kazakhstan, Aug. 18, 2004
(CBS/AP) Washington's plans to beef up its military base in Uzbekistan as part of a troop realignment abroad could whip up tensions between the impoverished ex-Soviet republic's secular government and radical Islamic groups, analysts and opposition politicians say.
Top Pentagon officials said Monday that the United States would make greater use of training and logistics bases on the soil of new allies such as Uzbekistan, Poland and Romania, while closing some U.S. installations in Europe to consolidate forces at larger bases there.
The moves, planned to occur over 10 years, are intended shift American forces from a Cold War footing to positions closer to the Middle East and other areas key to the war on terrorism.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/18/world/main636804.shtml
Posted by: toni d at August 18, 2004 06:25 PM
The Bush campaign team is getting desparate for votes. They have him giving out piggyback rides!
http://www.anyfun.net/show.phtml?type=pics&name=oops&num=17
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 06:28 PM
Kroger is a midwest company. Thestore I mentioned is in Ohio.
WTF? This is an issue that will drive up sales?
I think not. They are already struggling in fierce market. They have those stupid member cards so non-members pay more.
They obfuscate to separate, you from your money.
Posted by: UncleSam at August 18, 2004 06:28 PM
read 'the Negative Dialectic of Poodle Play' by Ben Watson..."Analyses of Zappa's 'utopian disregard for genre,' his aesthetic and social desire to 'create dissatisfaction with limits,' and the political implications of his smutty lyrics in a 'society in which false piety commits monstrosities' are smart and convincing."...
ok last one for now...shut up n play yer guitar
EFFICIENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should present social policy choices to the electorate in clear language:
"If you want THESE SERVICES, it will cost THIS much. Are you SURE you want them now? Here is a list of ways they can be paid for - choose one. If you say you want these services we'll take care of it for you.
If you say no - next case."
That's right, folks: utopia.
If we know we want services on a national
scale, and if we know we have to pay for
them somehow, who'd object
to this plan?
Answer: MANY OF THE PEOPLE
WHO CLAIM TO BE 'CONSERVATIVE' TODAY - especially the ones who seem so eager
to turn America into a place
where morality is dictated by
religious dogma, certified by
bizarre judicial decisions, legislated
by semantic chicanery (ever tried to
read a California ballot?), maintained
by 'emergency police measures' and, occasionally,
implemented by selective enforcement
of the tax code.
These not-so-conservative -- in fact extremely
radical -- varmints prefer to keep
the IRS just the way it is,
and don't mind paying a little extra
to have it available as a tool for
political extortion.
--- FZ
The Real FZ Book, A Touchstone Book,Simon & Schuster, New York, 1989, pp 316-7.
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 06:30 PM
Restaurant for Cats Opens in New York
thanks toni
Loves it :)
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 06:30 PM
thanks toni! :)
ima try use that today.
thanks for clarify uncasam. over here big regun chain is seem to howard e. butts
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:31 PM
Dick Cheney is bad.
Dick Cheney is mad.
Dick Cheney is sad.
Dick Cheney is a wad.
Dick Cheney is a sod.
Dick Cheney is a fraud.
Dick Cheney is a clod.
Not a great poem - but look at the material I have to work with.
Posted by: UncleSam at August 18, 2004 06:36 PM
hey muck,
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040815/i/r2047739944.jpg
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 06:39 PM
FAIR is on to Jody Wilgoren!!
Extra!, August 2004
Covering the "Caged Hamster"
Media's picture of Kerry based on RNC distortions
By Peter Hart
"Like a caged hamster, Senator John Kerry is restless on the road," wrote the New York Times' Jodi Wilgoren (6/13/04), beginning a piece that promised "authentic insights" into the Democratic presidential candidate. Aside from the banalities (Kerry dislikes wearing suits on hot, humid days, and uses a cellphone more than John Glenn did when he ran for president in 1984), what's most striking about the piece is how closely it mirrors the Republican caricature of Kerry, portraying him as an elitist with "a prep-school cultivated competitive sensibility," whose speeches "are filled with multisyllabic upper-crust phrasing," and as a "contradictory" character who "is anything but simple and straightforward." Even his playing a musical instrument is portrayed as somehow weird and un-American: "And where former President Bill Clinton plays cards and President Bush turns to the treadmill, Senator Kerry strums his Spanish classical guitar in a kind of musical meditation."
Wilgoren's piece, with its effect of amplifying Bush campaign allegations about Kerry, is typical of 2004 presidential campaign coverage. This phenomenon is seen not only in the media's frequent forays into trivia, but also in their attempts to cover substantive issues—as in February, when the Republican National Committee (2/22/04) released a list of weapons systems that Kerry allegedly "voted against."
Partisan TV pundits like Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity (3/1/04) quickly echoed these charges, claiming, "He's voting against every major weapons system we now use in our military." The partisan Hannity's participation in the RNC's attack was perhaps to be expected, but he was not the only media figure to pass along the Republican allegations without examination. CNN anchor Judy Woodruff (2/25/04) framed the issue this way in an interview with Rep. Norm Dicks (D.-Wash.): "The Republicans list something like 13 different weapons systems that they say the record shows Senator Kerry voted against. The Patriot missile, the B-1 bomber, the Trident missile
Posted by: SmileMaker at August 18, 2004 06:41 PM
ooh! thanks! ima save that pichure with my brazil soccer fan pics. ima swear im move to brazil someday.
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:41 PM
Hey.. mucki..
What does frank want with you??
You boys cookin something UP??
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 06:43 PM
Thank you, Rude Pundit!
I am not rude, but once again I have to agree with
the Rude Pundit whose website rocks like a million bulls. So don't miss it:
"
First off, it needs to be said that Moveon.org's ad sucks. Its copy sucks. Its production sucks. Its methods suck. Its rhetoric sucks. Its just a great huge sack of suck. If you wanna make an ad attacking Bush's Vietnam "service," then make that ad. Bush's war "record" is fair game. If you wanna make an ad exploiting poor, gimpy John McCain one more time to say that the President should condemn the Swift Boat Vets ...."
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 06:43 PM
uncasam any pomez bout chaineyhitler is good pome to me!
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:43 PM
>>by a Kind And Loving God) in
order that he might maintain
penile discipline among naughty
little libertines like you."
---FZ<<
Dada, that reminds me of a quote from "Dogma"
Loki:
"Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions, out of, out of fear of some intangible parent figure that shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says, "Do it . . . do it... and I'll fucking spank you!"
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 06:44 PM
i've seen the ensemble moderne play Zappa's orchestral work
incredible ...there are a couple albums of that stuff now
the next zappa release is zappa conducts them playing Pierre Boulez
there's lots of his stuff that will come out for years i bet...it's gonna be like tupac
i like the electronic stuff he does
and last year i saw the American Composers Orchestra play "G-spot Tornado," "Dog Breath/Uncle Meat,"
"the Adventures of Greggary Peccary," and "Peaches en Regalia" at Carnegie Hall...
man they sounded like a frigging high school band...wasn't no Ensemble Moderne, i tell you whut...
but still they tried, and the crowd went wild...i've never seen a classical music crowd so excited
Posted by: dadalux at August 18, 2004 06:46 PM
Muck,
If you liked the Brazilian volleyball pic, you'll love this.
http://pages.infinit.net/frenaud2/hot.gif
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 06:47 PM
is frank come by? if you are see him tell him e-mail me:
muck4doo@yahoo.com
he is going be in austin. wuldnt mind have a beer with him.
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:48 PM
W@W, I'm sending that to a friend...thanks!
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 06:50 PM
Fish..
Yes better short and sweet..
A quick verdict..
He might hide tonigt..
That virgin deal doesn't sound so good today - now that he has time to think about it..
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 06:50 PM
We will let him know..
No one knew you email for sure..
You are lucky to live in Austin..
Texas is a great state!
Posted by: War Dog at August 18, 2004 06:53 PM
Excuse me, Uncle Sam,
why is Dick Cheney sad?
Did he fall from the high-bar?
Did he step over the line during the floor exercise?
Did he lose to Ian Thorpe?
Did he fall backward while attempting to lift 155 kg?
Did he witness Catalina Ponor's last routine?
Did he miss Alexei Nemov on American TeeVee?
Why?
Posted by: bridge at August 18, 2004 06:53 PM
even bears are not like bush:
BAKER LAKE, Wash. - Rain-eeeeer .... Bear? When state Fish and Wildlife agents recently found a black bear passed out on the lawn of Baker Lake Resort, there were some clues scattered nearby — dozens of empty cans of Rainier Beer.
The bear apparently got into campers' coolers and used his claws and teeth to puncture the cans. And not just any cans.
"He drank the Rainier and wouldn't drink the Busch beer," said Lisa Broxson, bookkeeper at the campground and cabins resort east of Mount Baker.
Fish and Wildlife enforcement Sgt. Bill Heinck said the bear did try one can of Busch, but ignored the rest.
"He didn't like that (Busch) and consumed, as near as we can tell, about 36 cans of Rainier."
A wildlife agent tried to chase the bear from the campground but the animal just climbed a tree to sleep it off for another four hours. Agents finally herded the bear away, but it returned the next morning.
Agents then used a large, humane trap to capture it for relocation, baiting the trap with the usual: doughnuts, honey and, in this case, two open cans of Rainier. That did the trick.
"This is a new one on me," Heinck said. "I've known them to get into cans, but nothing like this. And it definitely had a preference."
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:55 PM
>>>Excuse me, Uncle Sam,
why is Dick Cheney sad?<,
I think he got a look at that site W@W posted.....
Posted by: cathy in seattle at August 18, 2004 06:55 PM
Al-Sadr 'offers to withdraw from Najaf'
Wednesday 18 August 2004, 21:46 Makka Time, 18:46 GMT
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FBB501FD-98D6-433C-9738-B3FC9ABCC51C.htm
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 06:55 PM
maintain
penile
discipline
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 06:55 PM
~~~ That virgin deal doesn't sound so good today - now that he has time to think about it ~~~
HAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:56 PM
ima still consider myself californian but texas is grow on me. itn just get to hot here tho.
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:56 PM
NOT for dada - he knows......
Frank Zappa -- musical genius, a Juliard magna (no small feat), libertine (par excellance), coolest fucking hippie to walk this earth -- bar NONE, the dude would musically rival the three B's in their time!
Too bad the musical consortiums of his time suppressed & nearly squashed him. R.I.P.
If there's an afterlife, I will par-tay with Frank's clan, no doubt!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 06:58 PM
Such a pretty little girl... crying.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040818/photos_ts/mdf663154
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 06:58 PM
ummm. is pichure in safe look at ifn there peples around?
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 06:58 PM
"First, they came for the terrorists,
and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a terrorist.
Then they came for the foreigners, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a foreigner.
Then they came for the Arab-Americans, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't Arab-American.
Then they came for the radical dissenters, and I didn't speak up, because I was just an ordinary troubled citizen.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
-Adapted from Pastor Niemoller's 1945 quote about the Nazis
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 06:59 PM
Yes muck... nothing dirty... just sad.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 07:00 PM
do it fast, Muck
Posted by: W@W at August 18, 2004 07:00 PM
if you don't mind fishy....
I'm posting that little girl on the next thread.
That rips my fucking heart out!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at August 18, 2004 07:01 PM
No problem.
We always forget the kids.
Posted by: Fishgrease at August 18, 2004 07:04 PM
ack! thatn kill my feelings brazils gals are temporary give me! thisn take a bit to recover...
Posted by: muck4doo at August 18, 2004 07:05 PM
Hour #1 Up and Running!!!
Hour #1 Up and Running!!!
Hour #1 Up and Running!!!
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at August 18, 2004 07:06 PM
Hey ho everybody.
Fishgrease; Good catch on that photo. A real gut wrencher... good thing we've go a Prez & VP who AREN'T sensitive.
Posted by: citizensteve at August 18, 2004 07:12 PM
can someone please point out on air that france and germany did not go along with this war because they benifited by Sadam concerting his oil for food money into the euro, and that they knew that the entire point of the war was for american corporations in bed with the administration to profit. If Kerry was elected I'm sure the imnperial train would continue to roll, but perhaps he would open the doors to european business which would bring France and Germany to the table once some money was involved. This whole thing is a giant powerplay for the last reserves of earths oil and the EU knows that. Kerry just might be able to get some of our troops out of there just long enough for people back home to start ousting the corporate interest and maybe bring peace in our lifetime to the middle east.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 07:53 PM
I disagree with the statement that we could've lost would make it worse. WE WOULD'VE SAVED A TON OF MONEY AND LIVES if we had just LOST!!!
Posted by: Jeff at August 18, 2004 07:56 PM
Why frame the debate about how well we're doing it? The fucking point is we should not be in a pre-emptive war in the first place!
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 07:57 PM
no one is going to argue that because Kerry is now pro-war, and to argue that would make Kerry look bad, even though the majority of his base is anti-war and anti-corporate crony. If he did pull out and became anti-war he would find out very quickly what happens to upstarts in todays corporate run government....all he has to do is ask Ted Kennedy about his brothers.
Posted by: at August 18, 2004 08:03 PM
THIS Nebraska House rep is going to be PLAMED!!!
Posted by: Jeff at August 18, 2004 08:10 PM
Jack Kelly: Not so swift
Real questions remain on Kerry's war record
Sunday, August 15, 2004
Accepting the Democratic nomination for vice president, John Edwards said of John Kerry, "If you have any question of what he is made of, just spend three minutes with the men who served with him then." The Democratic National Committee is trying hard to keep you from spending a minute with most of the sailors who served with Kerry during his abbreviated tour in Vietnam, because they have unflattering things to say. The DNC is threatening to sue television stations which run a commercial produced by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio (jkelly@post-gazette.com, 412-263-1476).
Of the 23 officers who served with Kerry in Coastal Division 11, only one supports him for president. Two others are dead, and four want nothing to do with politics. The remaining 16 have declared him "Unfit for Command," the title of the book written by former Lt. John O'Neill, who took over Kerry's swift boat, PCF-94, when Kerry left Vietnam.
The Swifties charge Kerry didn't deserve two of the three purple hearts he was awarded, or either of his medals for valor, the silver star and the bronze star.
According to Kerry, his first taste of combat came on his first mission, on the night of Dec. 2, 1968. He was with two sailors in a Boston whaler on a night patrol. They saw sampans, presumably crewed by Viet Cong, unloading on a peninsula. They opened fire, and the Vietnamese ran for cover. In the "engagement," Kerry suffered a scratch on his arm from a piece of metal.
Kerry's account to his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, gives the impression that he was in command of the whaler. This was not so. Lt. William Schachte, later an admiral, was the officer in charge. Shachte said the Vietnamese never fired on the boat, and the sailors who were with Schachte and Kerry said they couldn't remember any return fire.
Shachte said Kerry's scratch was self-inflicted. He had fired an M-79 grenade launcher too close to the shore. It struck a rock, and a fragment of metal ricochete
Posted by: truthhurts at August 18, 2004 08:58 PM