Majority Report Radio: post show post

June 25, 2004

post show post

Barry Lank, comedian and writer.

John Kinsman, food activist, and President of Family Farm Defenders.

For more information about food issues, check out “Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies About the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You're Eating,” by Jeffrey Smith, and “Fateful Harvest: The True Story of a Small Town, a Global Industry, and a Toxic Secret,” by Duff Wilson.

Martin Torgoff, documentary filmmaker and author of "Can't Find My Way Home: America in the Great Stoned Age, 1945-2000."

See Martin read from the book at 7:30 p.m., Monday, June 28th, at Barnes & Noble, 2289 Broadway
(82nd St.) in New York City.

Bill Scher, our regular of the blog Liberal Oasis.

Bills blog picks:

discourse.net.

Balkinization.

Intel Dump.

Go vote for “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

And don’t forget:

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Great show
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Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 25, 2004 11:03 PM

Why is Air America off the internet "air"?
They used to follow Majority Report with a replay of O'Franken Factor. What's up?

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:05 PM

No Mrs.David?

Posted by: Thag at June 25, 2004 11:06 PM

I am listening to Al Franken right now.

Posted by: karendawn at June 25, 2004 11:07 PM

Repost that provides an insight into Bush's crazy religion.

Re: “Under God”

Bush’s god is not the god of the founding fathers. Bush’s god is the god of revelation who gives a special message to the chosen people. Bush’s god is a god who listens to prayers and will pick the side of those who pray the hardest. As a god of revelation Bush’s god is opposed to reason and the age of enlightenment which was the real culture and environment that created the USA. Therefore Bush is fundamentally anti-American.

What most people don't realize is that the founding fathers were mostly deists, not puritans. As deists they didn’t believe in a “personal” relationship with God which they considered a form of idolatry. They believed that Reason was the presence of God in humanity and that God worked only by a most general hand of providence not by direct intervention based on prayer. They also did not believe that the myth of the Garden of Eden should be taken literally and they didn’t hate nature.

Here’s a quote from “The Power of Myth”, Bill Moyers’ interview with Joseph Campbell:

“MOYERS: And to them it was the god of reason.

“CAMPBELL: Yes. This is the first nation in the world that was ever established on the basis of reason instead of simply warfare. These were eighteenth-century deists, these gentlemen. Over here [on the dollar bill] we read, “In God We Trust.” But that is not the god of the Bible. These men did not believe in a Fall. They did not think the mind of man was cut off from God. The mind of man, cleansed of secondary and merely temporal concerns, beholds with the radiance of the cleansed mirror a reflection of the rational mind of God. Reason puts you in touch with God. Consequently, for these men, there is no special revelation anywhere, and none is needed, because the mind of man cleared of its fallibilities is sufficiently capable of the knowledge of God. All people in the world are thus capable because all people in the word are capable of reason.
“All men are capable of reason. That is the fundamental principle of democracy. Because everybody’s mind is capable of true knowledge, you don’t have to have a special authority, or a speci

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:07 PM

its still on gregory close real player and reopen stream

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:08 PM

Franken's streaming in Seattle.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:09 PM

Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:04 PM

I'm hearing Franken now.

Posted by: clueless in VB at June 25, 2004 11:09 PM

I'm pleased to report there was no violence, police intimidation, or protests at the theatre I saw F9/11 at. Seemed liked a normal Seattle event, with long long lines.

repost for oldish blog.

Posted by: at June 25, 2004 11:10 PM

must say though David I do like having a person like my ignorant parents here to talk with. It's like a constant reminder of my roots. Don't ever leave.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:07 PM

Bless you my child...

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:08 PM

Posted by: at June 25, 2004 11:10 PM

Thanks, after I got the announcement that Air America was going off the air it cut off.

Now that I reloaded I'm hearing it again.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:10 PM

Maybe Mother Theresa wasn't a saint.

But she is now.

Posted by: The Pope at June 25, 2004 11:11 PM

Point isn't about Bush or what he did. It's about what Nobody ...
Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:03 PM

Dude ... you need to get out more ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:06 PM

No Mrs.David?

Posted by Thag at June 25, 2004 11:06 PM

*********

Just did today. Squired her to 9/11, Thag.

And thanks for your sincere concern, Nik E Poo. Heartwarming.

One more reaction to F 9/11

by David Richey

[an impressions mini-review for libs, conservatives, trolls, and mushy-middlers]
(a little sumpin' for everyone)

Wife and I saw F 9/11 today. Sold-out first showing, with many, many older folks (i.e. seniors, but then, it is Floridy). Subsequent showings were all sold-out, too, or so I hear. I live in a very Republican part of Florida, so this is an encouraging sign from this neck of the woods.

A few thoughts.

Overall, the film is a measured, proportionate response to the manifold instances of incompetence, negligence, deception and abuses of power of the Bush Administration. The film is also scathing in its indictment of same.

If you are a fellow traveler in the Bush-must-go crowd, the film is also funny as hell in places. There are a few shaky broad-brush generalizations and cheapshots, I thought, but now is not the time to adhere to the far-right's hypocritical cries to be "fair and balanced" when they have no interest and give no expression to the same high-minded ideal. This is very much a point-of-view driven film, and like so many things in life, this is not a question of facts so much as one of emphasis.

The film contains many, many moving sequences (esp. of a grief-stricken Lila Lipscomb, who is transformed in an unforgettable way by her personal tragedy, just as we all share a small portion in her drowning grief, and another of a shattered Iraqi mother, standing alone and bereft and trembling amid the rubble of her bombed-out home and keening to her God with a lacerating rawness, a piercing ululating cry of despair that bids us all bear witness to the enormity of her loss; it is moments like these in the film that transcend the p

Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:11 PM

hey cathy in seattle, haven't seen F9/11 yet going tomorrow if its not too sold out. playing in three theaters in a 25 theater multiplex in Times Square... god I hope there are protesters. but I hope no fights break out in the theater.

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:13 PM

must say though David I do like having a person like my ignorant parents here to talk with. It's like a constant reminder of my roots. Don't ever leave.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:07 PM

Bless you my child...

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:08 PM

I like the sound of that- John Kerry the 44th President of the United States.

There is something odd about 41 and 43

Posted by: Dr. Zimmerman Robert at June 25, 2004 11:09 PM

Ha. Thanks Dad.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:09 PM

This is from a newsletter by Martin Weiss (weissinc.com - pay site)
Weiss publishes the most reliable ratings of insurers, banks, brokers etc.

>>>
ONCE THE INFLATION MONSTER IS LET LOOSE, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO STOP.

To recapture economic stability, it took collective national pain and widespread personal sacrifice: Unemployment and under-employment. Debt defaults and bankruptcies. Sometimes many months of financial chaos.

Strangely, though, policymakers today don't seem to remember — or they don't WANT to remember.

My father used to put it this way: "There's nothing wrong with their memory. Their problem is they have a very convenient 'forgetory.'" They selectively forget all those annoying, not-so-trivial tidbits that could upset their current agenda.

The current agenda is growth at all costs, just as it was before the last round of inflation. And this time, like the last, the ultimate cost may be very high.

We've already seen the greatest U.S. budget deficit in history, even during some of the best of times. We've already seen the largest U.S. trade deficit of all time, even when the U.S. economy was still strong. If that's what we face in supposedly good times, what will happen in bad times?

To answer these questions, we cannot peer over the horizon and see our future. We can only look back to the past and gather some clues.

USA, 1970s

Richard Nixon was president. He thought he had solved inflation by slapping on wage-and-price controls in 1971. But he was wrong.

The inflation problem burst onto the main arena of Am

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 25, 2004 11:13 PM

"Getting worse" is the first thing the administratrion got right!

But that's only half right because they alos said "until June 30" and it will get "worser" after that!

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

From the Democracy for America blog:

Hope for Healthcare

Announcing "Hope for Healthcare," an independent offshoot of DFA, dedicated to harnessing the collective energy of Gov. Dean's army of supporters in the service of demanding quality, affordable health care for all.

"Hope for Healthcare" will bring you regular updates on policy, legislation, bureaucracy, corporate malfeasance, and a whole host of healthcare-related issues. Most importantly, "Hope for Healthcare" will offer regular opportunities to take concrete action toward our goals. Whether it's writing letters to the editor and to your elected representatives or volunteering for healthcare events, we will do our best to alert you to as many of these opportunities as possible.

"Hope for Healthcare" is a collaborative venture, emerging from both the frustrations and the hopes of Blog for America participants. We need your help:

1. We need to recruit contributors. If you are (or someone you know is) knowledgeable about the issue and has the time and inclination to stay abreast of developments and post updates to the blog, you should consider becoming a contributor.

2. We need feedback on the wording of the "Pledge for Hope," a pledge we hope everyone will sign onto once it's in place.

3. We need suggestions for links and resources to provide our readers, as well as topics we should make sure we're covering.

For details, head on over to "Hope for Healthcare":

http://colettemarine.com/hope/

This is a temporary URL. Within the next several days or so, you should be able to reach "Hope for Healthcare" at one of these domains:

http://www.hopeforhealthcare.com/
http://www.hopeforhealthcare.net/
http://www.hopeforhealthcare.org/
http://www.hopeforhealthcare.info/

Please join us and offer your suggestions in the comments sections. We need your feedback and participation in this effort.

Posted by: Renee in Ohio at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:13 PM

"No More Moore we don't want your Moorvie"

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

Don't forget Brittney Spear's unequaled appearance on F9/11. Perfect moment.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

Mrs. Thag have food. Thag like food. Hug bloggins! HUG! ok, nite nite bloggings. Thag say nite3 nite! wave!

Nite Nite tiny radio people!
Nite Nite RadioJaneane!
Nite Nite RadioSam! Mazel Tov! Make good poke poke!
Nite Nite RadioPo!
wait... TVPo, no RadioPO! Po TELETUBBY! Ha Ha, Thag goofy!

uhoh. Mrs.Thag not smile. Thag go now. Nite! wave!

Posted by: Thag at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

Dave the C is unlucky...

its not an auspicious night for the exorcism...

rather wait for the moon to 'get alittle bigger'..

Off the hook again, David....

s'gonna be a good one

Posted by: dadalux at June 25, 2004 11:15 PM

The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

--From Hamlet (III, ii, 239)

Queen Gertrude speaks these famous words to her son, Prince Hamlet, while watching a play at court. Gertrude does not realize that Hamlet has staged this play to trap her and her new husband, King Claudius, whom Hamlet suspects of having murdered his father. She also does not realize that the lady who "doth protest too much" is actually herself, as the Player King and Queen represent King Hamlet and Queen Gertrude. The former will be poisoned (in this play within the play) by the king's brother, as in reality (Hamlet suspects) Claudius killed King Hamlet. Gertrude's statement is in response to the play-Queen's repetitive statements of loyalty to and love of her first husband.

http://www.allshakespeare.com/quotes.php?id=287

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:15 PM

It's just a good collection of thoughts on the past four years. It was hard to see the full effect at the time with the media stupidity. But now a filmmaker like Moore has all the dots to connect. They are true and even people who like Bush and want to have a beer with him can't deny the gravity of these connections. Bush is simply a rich ASS.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:16 PM

Is the like an informal blog for "The Franken Factor". I'm really looking forward to Michael Moore. I hope it's live.

Posted by: KC in QC at June 25, 2004 11:17 PM

I'm planning on going to the matinee to see F9/11 since prices here are $9.00 for the evening shows.

What did Britney do?

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:17 PM

>hey cathy in seattle, haven't seen F9/11 yet going tomorrow if its not too sold out. playing in three theaters in a 25 theater multiplex in Times Square... god I hope there are protesters. but I hope no fights break out in the theater.
Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:13 PM

"No More Moore we don't want your Moorvie"<
Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

wave at Dave the Con if you see him protesting, Mel.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:17 PM

David? windy? ... naw ... never!

Posted by: at June 25, 2004 11:18 PM

This explains the inspiration behind Hope for Healthcare...

jjem wrote this letter to the editor and made it available to others who wanted to edit and send it to newspapers. Here is the version Oscar in Louisville sent to the New York Times, in response to an article about John Kerry criticizing Bush's record and promising patients' rights.

Jessica wrote the following letter to the editor, which was edited by Oscar in Louisville.
---
Hope died last night.

Every day we hear politicians say that health care for all Americans is important. We also hear profuse excuses about impossible odds of passage due to partisan bickering, while Hope’s light lies flickering. We hear the pitiful pretext for delayed deeds of valor that ought be done by civil servants and their elected masters, so we are left without Hope.

While the excuses flowed, Hope died, and a family was devastated.

Hope Valdez was born at 21 weeks gestation – a tiny little girl thrown into an ambivalent world.

For hour upon agonizing hour, knowing that something was very wrong, her mother fought to be seen in the hospital, due to an unpaid medical bill, because she had no insurance. She had been compelled to choose between frequenting a physician’s facility and feeding her family, because “care-givers” were more concerned with currency than Hope.

My friend lost her baby today because she has no health insurance. I Hope that Senator Kerry won't let it be in vain.

Posted by: Renee in Ohio at June 25, 2004 11:18 PM

Britney's intro smacking was SOOOOOO HOT.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:18 PM

Bye Thag!

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:19 PM

Bush is simply a rich ASS.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:16 PM

And with all the hype of F/911 and the war in Iraq, you still are stuck with Kerry. One step forward two steps back.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:19 PM

Now, just you fuck off already - since the VP feels its an ok word to use on the senate floor, I'll use it here yet again.... FUCK OFF! Damn that felt good. How do you feel about that, you self righteous fuck? God, it feels good to say fuck. No wonder Dickey finally let loose! Good for him! Orgasm! Orgasm!

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 25, 2004 11:03 PM

********

Thanks, Gay Boi.

I'm sure if you and I had a (hypothetical) disagreement, and I denied the self-evident truth and tried to make *you* appear stupid in doing so, and aggrandized myself at your expense while doing it, and you were disliked and I were liked (a real hypothetical stretch, this last, I admit), then I'm certain that you'd take it in perfect equanimity. No doubt you'd allow yourself to be rolled and not defend yourself, right?

Skip them posts, all right? Everyone else claims they do, tho' they tend to have some purty pointed and content-oriented things to say about them (which suggest to me either people actually *do* read them sometime -- a guilty Richey-hating pleasure? -- or they are ignorant, lazy reactionaries who can't be bothered make an honest judgment between differing points of view).

btw, Gay Boi Charlie, which are you?

Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:19 PM

This was a good ruling from a judge telling the FCC to go back to the drawing board.

PROMETHEUS RADIO PROJECT
vs.
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION; UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A federal court on Thursday
ordered the FCC to redo many of the controversial media ownership rules it passed last June. In addition, the court
strongly criticized the agency's methods for arriving at its conclusions in justifying increased media concentration. Under the ruling, the FCC will have to revisit the legal framework it operated under, and begin its deliberations anew.

"PARTIAL JUDGMENT
"This cause came on to be heard on the record from the Federal Communications Commission and was argued on February 11, 2004.
On consideration whereof, IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED by this Court that the Commission’s Order of July 2, 2003 is hereby affirmed in part and remanded in part.
The stay currently in effect will continue pending our review of the Commission’s action
on remand, over which this panel retains jurisdiction. All of the above in accordance with
the opinion of this Court. The parties to bear their own costs."

Third Circuit's documents with motions and exhibits at:
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/staymotion/Petition.htm
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/staymotion/033388p.pdf
http://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/staymotion/033388j.pdf

Chairman Powell's reaction is at the FCC website http://www.fcc.gov/ http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-248793A1.doc
(but I'm having trouble opening the file.)

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:19 PM

nite THAG!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 25, 2004 11:20 PM

See headline on drudgereport.com We were just talking about this a few hours ago

Posted by: Alex at June 25, 2004 11:20 PM

>What did Britney do?<

What DIDN'T she do!

no, really, Brittney was just.....Brittney. I just can't bring myself to spoil that moment for you Gregory.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:21 PM

Ok since I'm not around the jackass turns on the crowd....

Pick on me instead David you stupid son of a bitch

Posted by: Nobody at June 25, 2004 11:21 PM

No More Moore we don't want your Moorvie"<
Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:14 PM

wave at Dave the Con if you see him protesting, Mel.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:17 PM

It went well except a fight almost broke out and there was some spitting.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:21 PM

I would vote for Nader if I could. Then maybe the sewage system would get some funding back home and stop spewing shit onto lawns. I'll have to see if my parents will vote for Kerry in my place after they see F911. Then I won't feel guilty. What a crappy democracy!

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:23 PM

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
fuck fuck fuck fuck vuck

Posted by: at June 25, 2004 11:23 PM

britney is in F911?

say it ain't so...

Cat sea I love protesters its the american way and I love being yelled at before going into movie but if I see Dave the C I swear I'm gonna smack 'em in the head. (no offense dave)

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:23 PM

First of all I'm David The Conservative and go by no other name.

Second I checked this blog this morning and found that Nobody was on from 8:00PM until noon today.

I've heard of sleeping disorders but yours must be off the charts.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:25 PM

Britney got big laughs at the showing I went to.

Posted by: Snorkleman at June 25, 2004 11:25 PM

Richey, how do you expect anyone to respond if "nobody" wrote it. It's the oldest trick in the book. Some guy named Homer.

Posted by: Bjorn at June 25, 2004 10:52 PM

*******

Well, Everyman could respond, couldn't he?

Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:25 PM

G'night all you sweet people.
Going to the movies tomorrow.

Posted by: ceres at June 25, 2004 11:27 PM

>What did Britney do?<

What DIDN'T she do!

no, really, Brittney was just.....Brittney. I just can't bring myself to spoil that moment for you Gregory.

this britney? don't press the space bar to slide show

http://www.nsgalleries.com/hosted1/gb/gals/brittney-skye/001.jpg

Posted by: at June 25, 2004 11:27 PM

I almost wish Moore hadn't taken so many cheapshots at Bush's dumb looks because the only reason my g'mother votes for him is because she says he's cute. The jokes will only make her mad and there is no justification for such an effect just to make the choir chuckle. That just wasn't a smart move.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:28 PM

Hell, I'll through down the gauntlet.

Anyone who wishes may take up the armor of Nobody's argument and cut-and-paste the substantiation from the Wanniski's article.

(a short recap)

*********

Nobody wrote:

"The point that Wanniski makes that 99% of What Saddam could be charged with would also apply to W is an important one."

Posted by: Nobody at June 24, 2004 08:42 PM

Nobody, here is the Wanniski link you cite:

http://wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=3643

Nobody, I believe you have misread Wanniski's article.

Wanniski pointedly does *not* say what you claim he says. Only you say this. You make the point about Bush and Saddam being equally guilty of crimes, not Wanniski.

Please substantiate your claim by cutting-and-pasting the portion from Wanniski's article where he says what you claim he does, or that portion that you feel supports your position. You have repeatedly replied with your own assertions, and those are not germane here.

**********

Knock yourself out. Show me he's right, all you pilers-on. Make the case.

There's gold in them thar hills!

David Richey

Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:28 PM

Been a lovely day...Hi everyone...

Posted by: Nobody at June 25, 2004 11:28 PM

straw man nobody
hateful richey's guilty joy
defenseless, rolled

Posted by: Secret Identity Haiku at June 25, 2004 11:28 PM

if I see Dave the C I swear I'm gonna smack 'em in the head. (no offense dave)

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:23 PM

You guys are liberals right?

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:30 PM

I have to say I was a little disappointed to not see any protestors here in Seattle. Perhaps they were all out bombing abortion clinics or beating up minorities or some such thing. Perhaps we are (maybe not me) a little to polite. I don't know. I was disappointed, but not surprised. This is Seattle after all, the best place to raise kids in America, and the center of political correctness. Did you get that impression Gay Boi when you were here?

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:30 PM

Moore's movie makes some people chuckle makes some people pissed ... gets some people to protest it ... sounds like entertainment to me! ... I'm gonna gladly drive the 135 miles to go see it ... hell ... I might see it twice!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:30 PM

I stiil like the sound of the phrase- John Kerry the 44th President of the United States.

Posted by: Dr. Zimmerman Robert at June 25, 2004 11:31 PM

Schwarzenegger Reverses Stand on Strays

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in the doghouse with animal-welfare advocates for proposing that shelters be allowed to kill stray animals more quickly to save money, said Friday that his budget recommendation was a mistake.

As part of his budget proposal first drafted in December, the governor had asked the Legislature to repeal a 1998 law that requires the shelters to hold dogs and cats up to six days before destroying them. The governor wanted to save local goverments that operate the shelters $14 million by cutting the waiting period in half.

But after a nationwide storm of protest, the governor organized a press conference outside his Capitol office and confessed to his error.
---
Ya think? Suppose Ahnold hadn't anticipated that headlines like this might make him look bad...

"Schwarzenegger Wants Strays Killed Faster "

You just know there were headlines about the California governor wanting strays "terminated" faster.

Posted by: Renee in Ohio at June 25, 2004 11:31 PM

>You guys are liberals right?<

we're head-smacking liberals!

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:32 PM

Been a lovely day...Hi everyone...

Posted by: Nobody at June 25, 2004 11:28

Did you just get up? So he does sleep.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:32 PM

we walked along
a river bank lookin at plants
fast walkin dawgz an frenz

pix up soon!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 25, 2004 11:32 PM

Maybe Mother Theresa wasn't a saint.
But she is now.
Posted by: The Pope at June 25, 2004 11:11 PM
:D
Maybe the pope should have done some research first. She was a bit of sadist, in a passive kind of way.

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/shields_18_1.html
http://website.lineone.net/~bajuu/
http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/august96/hakeem.html
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/hitchens_16_4.html
http://www.indiastar.com/DhiruShah.htm

"I think it is very good when people suffer. To me, that is like the kiss of Jesus" -- Mother Theresa

"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot... the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." -- Mother Theresa

Those don't sound like the statements of a balanced person...

Posted by: WaspStar at June 25, 2004 11:32 PM

>You guys are liberals right?<

we're head-smacking liberals!

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:32 PM

Where is the peace and love?

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:33 PM

liberal head smack
d the c is feeling whack
pity him, give him slack
turn the cheek and hit him back
kick him in his tender nutsack
stomp on his broken rack
until he wheezes, eyes rolled back
spine shattered, ribs cracked
liberals are coming back

Posted by: Secret Identity Haiku at June 25, 2004 11:33 PM

Jesus Christ! Nice post David Richey, you make me wish I was stillborn.

Still I have to admit you argue like a true liberal, let's just say I’m softening my stance on you.

Not sure I trust you just yet, but if you were a woman I'd have to marry you!

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:33 PM

Arnold learns basic lesson in Politics 101: Never mess with dog and cat lovers.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:34 PM

John Kerry the 44th President of the United States.
...yawn ...

George Bush was indicted today on charges of ...
... oooooooooooo ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:35 PM

Schwarzenegger Wants Stray Animals Killed Faster

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to repeal a state law that requires animal shelters (search) to hold stray dogs and cats for up to six days before killing them.

Instead, there would be a three-day requirement for strays. Other animals, including birds, hamsters, potbellied pigs, rabbits, snakes and turtles, could be killed immediately

Can you see why this guy is a complete......

Posted by: Miss Anne Thropic at June 25, 2004 11:35 PM

I just mean if it is meant to move the election away from Bush, cheap shots at a man people have been brainwashed to adore is not going to garner much sympathy and will sacrifice some validity of the facts in those viewers minds. That they even watch the film is a great feat alone with FoxNC on the attack (shit-spouting).

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:35 PM

Head-smaking liberals means we kiss heads.

Main Entry: 4smack
Function: verb
Etymology: akin to Middle Dutch smacken to strike
transitive senses
1 : to close and open (lips) noisily and in rapid succession especially in eating
2 a : to kiss with or as if with a smack b : to strike so as to produce a smack
intransitive senses : to make or give a smack

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:36 PM

I think it says something about Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger that he puts dollar amount on the lives of pets ... I'd like to have my puppies bite him in the ass ...

I'm an ass-biting liberal!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:37 PM

Arnold learns basic lesson in Politics 101: Never mess with dog and cat lovers.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:34 PM

Yah its much better having a bunch of sickly dogs and cats kept in small disgusting cages for a longer period of time. That seems more ethical.
Why put them out of their misery we might upset a liberal.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:38 PM

>Head-smaking liberals means we kiss heads.<

cathy in seattle....head smacking for peace...

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:39 PM

If you're near Columbus, check out Comfest:

"Yes, it’s time for The Party With A Purpose here in The Mother Of All Battleground States. And ComFest is on a mission.

As we gather again in Goodale Park for our 33rd year of celebrating harmony, diversity, peace and justice, that mission is obvious the minute you step onto the festival grounds. Every one of the 20,250 beer mugs, every one of the 1,900 volunteer t-shirts is emblazoned with our goal: VOTE FOR PEACE / WORK FOR JUSTICE. Everywhere you look, folks with clipboards are hustling to make sure that no eligible voter escapes the party without registering.

What kind of party is this, anyway? Same as it ever was. What you see all around you is this year’s expression of the political activism that has been at the heart of Community Festival since its founding in 1972.

ComFest was born in wartime. It’s been a going concern since the last time hiphugger flare jeans, midriff-baring halter tops and subpoenas for anti-war membership lists were in fashion. So we know a losing war, a lawless government and a sinking economy when we see them. And once again, we’re not going to take it sitting down.

Our goal this weekend is to leave no eligible voter unregistered. By November, we intend to make sure that no registered voter is left unmobilized.

But we’re not going to tell you who to vote for.

Community Festival does not endorse candidates. As former CBS News president Fred Friendly said of journalists, “Our job is not to make up anyone’s mind, but to open minds -- to make the agony of decision-making so intense that you can escape it only by thinking.”

In this case, when the choice comes down to a war hero turned war critic versus a chickenhawk turned war criminal, the agony shouldn’t be all that intense. Acting on our principles is rarely this easy.

Still, getting out the vote in November -- like the production of this now-huge festival -- will require everyone’s help. This is not somebody else’s job. In these next four months a lot will depend on the combined impact of many solitary decisions to flip through the channels one more time, or get up and go to a meeting. The struggle for each of us

Posted by: Renee in Ohio at June 25, 2004 11:40 PM

Thanks for the links on Mama Terri.

That brand of Catholicism is next to fascism.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:41 PM

http://cats.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestfriends.org

read about this place David

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:41 PM

John Kerry the 44th President of the United States
a good starting point to take American forward.

Posted by: Dr. Zimmerman Robert at June 25, 2004 11:41 PM

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE bit

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:42 PM

Why put them out of their misery we might upset a liberal.
Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:38 PM

I suppose you are not an "animal person" ... so I'll try to use small words.

Cats dogs cute nice
Lose pet want it back
pound not nice
better than hit by car
call for help
find pet be happy go to bar

ok that last one was me just trying to ryhm ...

beware ... my dog WILL bite your ass ... she's a real bitch

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:43 PM

Why sociopaths have these characteristics ? Are their brains different from those of normal people ? Do they display pathological alterations ?

Among the diagnoses were schizophrenia, depression, epilepsy, alcoholism, alcoholic dementia, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, brain injury, dissociative disorders and others. More than 64 % of them appeared to have frontal lobe abnormalities. Fifty percent had brain atrophy and 40 % had EEG abnormalities.

http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:43 PM

d the c trapped in a disgusting cage
small mind twisted and full of rage
his misery must end, life is not his friend
ethical animal keeps trying to escape

Posted by: Secret Identity Haiku at June 25, 2004 11:43 PM

>Why put them out of their misery we might upset a liberal.
<

I think you'll find that pet ownership runs bi-partisan.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:44 PM

WHEEEEEEEEE*ruff, ruff*EEEEEE*ruff, ruff*EEEEEEEEEE

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:38 PM
********

Typical conservative make believe.

Where in the world do you get your notion that dog and cat lovers are "liberals"? Remember Checkers? Many Republicans are dog and cat lovers too. I'd bet that dog and cat lovers go across the political spectrum in the same bell curve as any random group would.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

>> btw, Gay Boi Charlie, which are you?

Oh, DR, I don't hate anybody! I even have love for you and your viewpoint, trust in that. I was having fun saying "fuck" because our esteemed VP had such "fun" saying it on the senate floor. What a bad day, eh? Poor guy. Read my rant as a joke about that, as a funny, so to speak.... I just chose your post to respond to. I have no opinion about you, personally... but, I do believe Nobody writes in mysterious ways. And that seems to ruffle your feathers. (I'm still researching what you claim to disprove, btw)

Truly, in the best George W. Bush voice I can muster, "I just wanted to say fuck you to a cracker who thinks that Dickey doesn't crave to finally stoop to that level on the senate floor!"

Dickey is a tool and a war-profiteer. Nothing more.

Bwahahahahahaha! Get over it already.

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

More than 64 % of them appeared to have frontal lobe abnormalities.

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

or is that tri-partisan?

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:46 PM

>>Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (...) could be >>killed immediately.

Wow. Imagine the poor parents. 1st they had to explain to the kids about oral sex in the oval office...Now they'll have to explain why Arnold Schwarzenegger killed their puppy.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 25, 2004 11:47 PM

paw-partisan

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:47 PM

thanks for remembering folks like me cathy. maybe it should even be multi-partisan.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:47 PM

"Did you just get up? So he does sleep."

No just got back home...you're as freaking obsessed as the other David.

I sleep 2-4 hours at a time when I sleep. No more no less. Are there any other personal details you'd like to know?

Posted by: Nobody at June 25, 2004 11:47 PM

64%!!!!!

yikes!

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:47 PM

Nobody, you just can't help but attract them. It's like moths to a flame.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 25, 2004 11:49 PM

oral sex in the oval office

is that what you kids are calling it these days?

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:49 PM

hehe ... that commercial just said that they are so confident that their system will help you quit smoking ... they'll give you a free month's supply ... I guess its not fast acting

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:49 PM

You guys are liberals right?
Posted by David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:30 PM

Uh-huh -- but I sure hope someone gives me some shit when I'm going in to, during or after F911.

This 6'2" 250 lb liberal will rip their fucking head(s) off and piss down the hole(s).

*figuratively speaking, of course* :)

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 25, 2004 11:50 PM

http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/stages/

for all the insomniac nobodies out there. I feel for America and its electricity disorder.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:51 PM

"Many studies have shown in the last 20 years that murderers and ultraviolent criminals have a startling evidence of brain disease. For example, in one such study, 20 of 31 confessed or sentenced murderers had specific neurological diagnoses."
http://www.epub.org.br/cm/n07/doencas/disease_i.htm

Interesting. However, it's not real science until they prove the opposite is true: that an unprobably high percentage of people with neurological diagnoses become murderers.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:51 PM

>>is that what you kids are calling it these days?

That's the `word on the street'

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 25, 2004 11:51 PM

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

If you go to the pound you don't find Fluffy you find Mangy the disease ridden dog. Why look he's got ticks, infections, mange, and he just wants to die. You libs are for doctor assisted suicide for people but when it comes to some stray dog with no hope for life and in pain you say we can't kill him that’s immoral. INTERESTING!

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

maybe it was oval sex in the oral office?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

This 6'2" 250 lb liberal
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 25, 2004 11:50 PM

little guy huh? ... can I call you tiny?

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

liberal is not synonymous with pacifist... sometimes when people are cruel to animals they must be smacked in the head... even buddha in his past lives had to smack a few rubes in the head.

Posted by: Mel at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

Bwahahahahahaha! Get over it already.

Posted by Gay Boi Charlie at June 25, 2004 11:45 PM

*******

Consider it gotten over. Thanks for clarification.

Best,

David Richey

Posted by: David Richey at June 25, 2004 11:53 PM

kill the poor bastard if he's that bad. I don't mind that situation. But what Arnold is doing is like having the appeals time for death row inmates cut in half.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:55 PM

maybe it was oval sex in the oral office?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

god I hope so!
It's been a loooong time.

Posted by: terry wilke at June 25, 2004 11:56 PM

if i ever have sex i hope it's just like in Those Who Trespass. So Sexy. Sexy Sexy.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 25, 2004 11:58 PM

HEY STUPID--The point isn't whether to kill diseased animals, the point is 3 days is not enough time for people to find claim their pets.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 25, 2004 11:59 PM

>> If you go to the pound you don't find Fluffy you find Mangy the disease ridden dog. Why look he's got ticks, infections, mange, and he just wants to die. You libs are for doctor assisted suicide for people but when it comes to some stray dog with no hope for life and in pain you say we can't kill him that’s immoral. INTERESTING!

What fucking city do you fucking live in, you insensitive, stupid fuck? Paragonah, Utah? Where they gas stray dogs to death by carbon monoxide poisoning?

God, I'm loving the word fuck today, THANK YOU DICKEY CHENEY, FOR LEGALIZING THE WORD FUCK!!!! It's about time.

Just so you know... I bought my dog, at the pound, with no diseases, and he's still doing fine after nine years, thank you very much.

Now, how about we do the world a real favor... like shoving you in a cardboard box and suffocating you with vehicle emmisions? That sounds fucking brilliant to me, you stupid fuck.

God I'm loving the word fuck today! Thank you, Dickey!

Pppppppppppp :p

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 26, 2004 12:00 AM

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

*******

Again, typical conservative ignorance.
The above descripton of the dogs at pounds by David the Conservative only proves that he hasn't been to a pound (aka animal shelter) in many many years.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 26, 2004 12:00 AM

if you're talking to me chubby i agree with you. I'm not stupid.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:00 AM

so ... I guess whats left here is people either:

a. waiting for re-broadcast of Al's show
b. don't have much of a life
c. prefer typing over mounting

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 12:01 AM

Ok since I'm not around the jackass turns on the crowd....

Pick on me instead David you stupid son of a bitch

Posted by Nobody at June 25, 2004 11:21 PM

*******

Haven't turned on anyone, Nobody. This is you making things up and grand-standing again. If anyone was snarky or hostile in addressing me, I've responded, tho' I evidently misunderstood Gay Boi Charlie, who was kind enough to clarify his intent, which I appreciate very much. I respect and trust until proven otherwise.

Don't wish to pick on you, either, Nobody. But also don't cotton to being called "crazy" in absentia. Remember how you done that this afternoon, Nobes?

Don't you think it's kinda hypocritical of you to whine to me about "not being here" when you had these little conversations with cathy in seattle about my supposed lack of sanity (posted below)?

In other words, it's OK if Nobody does it, cause it's not hypocritical then, but when I respond to an "attack" from you while I was gone, I'm supposed to confirm your presence?

Is that your newest puzzling argument?

******

In case you were wondering, here is proof positive, thanks to Nobody and cathy in seattle, who say so, that David Richey is "certifiable" and "crazy". They also impute other motives, which they evidently derive by being omniscient.

****

Good Morning Nobody. I read over the Continuing Rants of David Richey from last night. Mind blowing. It's like seeing someone rip themselves apart publically for the attention. It's like a car wreck, we know we shouldn't stare but can't take our eyes off it.

Posted by cathy in seattle at June 25, 2004 12:48 PM

Nice post.....

Posted by Nobody at June 25, 2004 12:49 PM

Cathy...I couldn't stop it from happening...I tried I swear I tried...

Posted by Nobody at June 25, 2004 12:54 PM

I know you did Nobody...but he's certifiable and you just shouldn't play with those animals. I don't mind taking a swipe to show what an idiot he is, but the back and forth is useless as he proved over and over again, he wasn't listening at all. You can't argue with crazy.

Poste

Posted by: David Richey at June 26, 2004 12:01 AM

Bye y'all. Gotta go home now.

Tough choice ahead: watch that lefty liberal Bill Moyers talk about mercury in the drinking water or that center liberal Peter Jennings talk about Guantanimo torture.

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 26, 2004 12:03 AM

Why can't I be you?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:04 AM

BILL. BILL. BILL. BILL.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:04 AM

see ya wheel!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 12:05 AM

I have just been listening to John Kinsman and have to respond. My husband and I have an organic farm in Oregon and can confirm every assertion that John has made about farming in America. The USDA is less than interested in promoting and defending organic farm practices. The woman installed by the USDA to chair the NOP (National Organic Program) continually tries to introduce rule changes that would gut the intent of the program, such as the automatic accceptance of "inerts" in fertilizer, regardless of their content, and the use of sewage sludge, even though it is full of pharmacuticals and heavy metals. Specifics on request!

There is a milk sold here that had the nerve to state that they did not use Bovine Growth Hormone and the were sued by Monsanto.

Organic farming is the only segment of agriculture in this country that is growing strong.
So much more to say on the subject...

Posted by: Carol B. at June 26, 2004 12:07 AM

little guy huh? ... can I call you tiny?
Posted by Nik E Poo at June 25, 2004 11:52 PM

Anything YOU'd like Poo[h]; just don't call me
a republican, late for dinner or late when
passing the bowl! :)

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 12:09 AM

witching hour!

Ron Jr on franken

i'm gonna start calling trolls 'orcs' or 'goblins'..seems more fitting since Thag is such a sweet troll..

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 12:09 AM

Hey Everyone! What did I miss tonight?

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:09 AM

>Organic farming is the only segment of agriculture in this country that is growing strong.
<

amen to that, thanks for the post! Where do you sell?

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:10 AM

>> Consider it gotten over. Thanks for clarification.

No worries, DR, I appreciate ALL voices here. I do... really! Mean it. ;) Sorry if I didn't make my motives clear.

Oh, DavidTheConservativeFuckingIdiot....? Fuck off. Your stupidity and insenstivity in your post about animal shelters prove that. What a dumb ass.

And thank you again, Cheney!!!! Glad we can all use that "fuck" word like it means nothing now! Won't get fined, will I?

g'night folks. :) keep up the good fight. And fuck the bozos, the lot of 'em.

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 26, 2004 12:10 AM

I loved the PeaceFresno bit of F911. the last cuts of their faces were perfect. And that guy at the gym. What the hell.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:11 AM

g'nite Gay Boi, tell me about your seattle visit later.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:12 AM

no, not you, the troll under the bridge. You gotta admit, tho, he exxcells in all the troll catagories.

1) Relentlessly sticks to the propaganda he's memorized from years of right wing rhetoric
ce structure or gramar

2)doesn't reall `get` sentence structure or grammar

3)expects the rest of the world to fit into the bigoted stero types he's learned from Hannity, Limbaugh and the lot. Accuses others of hypocrisy when they don't fit into this overly simplified world view.

4)Attacks relentlessly, yet plays the baffled victim when others respond in kind.

David the C is 5 star in all these catagories. are there others?

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 26, 2004 12:12 AM

Oh, DavidTheConservativeFuckingIdiot....? Fuck off. Your stupidity and insenstivity in your post about animal shelters prove that. What a dumb ass.

And thank you again, Cheney!!!! Glad we can all use that "fuck" word like it means nothing now! Won't get fined, will I?

g'night folks. :) keep up the good fight. And fuck the bozos, the lot of 'em.

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 26, 2004 12:10 AM

Did you read what I said? I'm the one with compassion.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 26, 2004 12:12 AM

Carol B. ... organic farmer? ... what are the chances of having 2 of us on the same blog? ... spooky ...

I gotta ask ... since wanda made a point of it ... do you grow corn, soy or cotton?

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 12:13 AM

Ok people forgive me for the long post but some people can't seem to absorb anything unless it's in long form.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:13 AM

G'nite Greg.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 12:13 AM

From The Power of Myth, Joseph Campbell, with Bill Moyers, page 25, Doubleday, NY, 1988..

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 25, 2004 11:07 PM

*******

If you won't take offense at my saying so, I greatly admire Joseph Campbell and the point you make about many of the Founding Fathers being deists is one that is not widely known nor fully appreciated. It sheds insight on how our country was created and what the folks who conceived it had in mind as frames of reference (i.e. their essential and indispensible *liberalism*).

It just goes to prove that if America is to subsist as a great country, all may have their own religion or spirituality (or not, just as they choose), but the American *secular* religion must be a firm faith and abiding committment to liberal constitutional government.

Or least, that's my story.

Great post.

David Richey

Posted by: David Richey at June 26, 2004 12:13 AM

"The point that Wanniski makes that 99% of What Saddam could be charged with would also apply to W is an important one."

Firstly, evidence may be presented to prove a point directly and yet prove another implicitly. Wanniski intends to prove one thing and shows another.

Now I do not care what Wanniski is trying to prove because it does not matter to my argument. I do care however care about the fact base that is presented by Wanniski. By presenting that fact base Wanniski does show that whatever Saddam may be charged with so may W.

Wanniski presents the charges against Saddam as we know them and although the intent may be to disprove all those charges by comparison to W's actions it does also highlight W's actions as chargable offenses.

"If you think about it, 18 months ago Saddam Hussein was sitting in his office, the duly constituted president and prime minister of Iraq, minding his own business."

W is also the president of this country whether we want to argue his duly constituted status or not.

"It was at this point that President Bush decided Saddam had weapons of destruction and was conspiring with Al Qaeda to menace peace-loving nations like the United States."

Easy enough to prove that W has closer ties to Al Queda than Saddam and W openly conspired to invade Iraq.

"Even if you missed the TV coverage, if you read the papers carefully you would find no instance where Saddam thumbed his nose at the Council."

Saddam didn't go against the security council but W did

"Well, the administration of which you [JA]are the chief legal officer then insisted the war was justified because of Al Qaeda connections to Saddam’s regime. We [US] don’t need a permission slip from the UNSC "

One of the charges against Saddam was killing of Iraqis but what did W do?

"Estimates of the number of Iraqi military and militiamen killed in combat range as high as 60,000 and estimates of the collateral damage to civilians range from 16,000 to 35,000 deaths."

Abu Gharaib etc etc etc

"President Bush on many occasions has pointed out that Iraq is better off without Saddam because his regime was known to have used “torture

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:14 AM

>I loved the PeaceFresno bit of F911. the last cuts of their faces were perfect. And that guy at the gym. What the hell.<

...and the way that gramma subversive took TWO cookies! worthy subject of an investigation by Ashcroft!

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:14 AM

So I got to see both F/911 as well as I got down to the Angelika to see Joe Conason give a little talk w/ questions and answers at the movie "The Hunting of the President" Totally recommend both!

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:15 AM

Gai Boy Charlie likes fucking Dickie?

now *that's* news.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 26, 2004 12:15 AM

richey ya gotta have mojo
a certain je ne sais q'uoi?

----

did i spell that right?

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 12:16 AM

I wonder about the SBD chief of police too cathy. What was his purpose. I mean do all police chiefs have undercover agents actually out searching for discussion groups to infiltrate? Or was he tipped by a higher office to investigate? I just don't get why they're doing it.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:19 AM

g'nite GBC

g'evenin Catharine
i was late too. Not much "up";
*you & goody weren't around -- snark*
did you see F911?

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 12:19 AM

show me show me show me how you do that trick...

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:22 AM

as well as I got down to the Angelika

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:15 AM

you're going to the wedding yes?

Posted by: terry wilke at June 26, 2004 12:23 AM

The "DUH" award goes to... DTC!

>> If you go to the pound you don't find Fluffy you find Mangy the disease ridden dog. Why look he's got ticks, infections, mange, and he just wants to die.

Yes, I did read what you wrote... care to retract? Did you bother to read what I said about my dog I bought from the pound? Doesn't seem so.

Snap!

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 26, 2004 12:23 AM

>> I mean do all police chiefs have undercover agents actually out searching for discussion groups to infiltrate?<<

I don't know,.... Do you think Ashcroft's brownshirts are backing off their investigations into discussion groups (oh like this one) or do you think they are stepping up their efforts?

any of Ashcrofts brownshirts care to weigh in?

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:24 AM

Hey L@L~~~

Yeah I saw F911 and loved it.. was Michael Moore's best so far.... as I said earlier... I laughed.... I cried.... great....

I also just got back from The Hunting of the President and Joe Conason was there briefly talking about it.... Please go see it unless you already have his book.... He also said that Fox (the division that does videos) is going to release the video (or DVD)! How ironic, huh?

Conason said that Rupert Murdoch had just screened it and had liked it. He didn't like the message per se, but he knew it would make a lot of money! Follow the Money people... follow the money.... that really is what it's all about here.....

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:25 AM

**** Cath is Sea.... didn't make it up there.... work intevened. :(

Late July, August? I hope! I'll keep ya posted!

g'night. :)

Posted by: Gay Boi Charlie at June 26, 2004 12:25 AM

good night, Boi!

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:26 AM

Another damned electrical storm up here...Can't keep a connection ;(

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:27 AM

do you think if bush got assassinated sometime before the election maybe during the convention do you think nader could beat cheney come november or is nader just an asshole

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:28 AM

untenable!!!

Untenable!!!

My favorite word since the 2000 election.

Posted by: terry wilke at June 26, 2004 12:28 AM

>>knew it would make a lot of money! Follow the Money people... follow the money.... that really is what it's all about here.....<<

That's my argument, too. In the end, it's always about money.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:28 AM

>>Did you bother to read what I said about my >>dog I bought from the pound? Doesn't seem so.

Speaking for myself, I was trying not to wonder about Gai Boy Charlie and his dog.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 26, 2004 12:28 AM

Terry... so you are really going to be in NYC on Sunday? Or are you here already?

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:29 AM

just like "day after tomorrow". The producers said murdoch had no control over film releases (probably on a majority basis he doesn't control, but i bet he could). I think he just wants money but I think Moore's films would never get his support.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:29 AM

Mel I heard today that Nader was actually telling people in swing states to come to his rallies but vote for Kerry...That surprised me a little and changed my assessment of Nader just a tad...still not convinced he isn't a petty little self centered twit but he's moving in the right direction.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:30 AM

show me show me show me how you do that trick...

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:22 AM

Is it me or has Robert S. milked the whole Cure thing 15 years longer then he should have.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 26, 2004 12:32 AM

he is a very smart man, this Nader. Why he gets so much bashing is beyond me. He should be overseer of the universe.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:32 AM

Moore is on!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 12:34 AM

Cure kicks ass Dave. Hasn't Nuge been an idiot a bit too long?

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:34 AM

Terry... so you are really going to be in NYC on Sunday? Or are you here already?

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:29 AM

god hates me!!!!! flight cancelled due to weather.
new flight 8AM Sat. I'll be there, I promise.

Posted by: terry wilke at June 26, 2004 12:34 AM

Nader gets angry and says/does stupid things putti...

http://www.thenaderfactor.com/
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=7954
http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/election_2004_/2004/02/will_ralph_get_another_free_pass.php
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13141
http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Nader.html
http://www.soc.qc.edu/Staff/levine/Ralph-Nader-As-Suicide-Bomber.html

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:35 AM

I wish i had been at the "inauguration" of Bush. I love tomatoes. and eggs.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:37 AM

I'm looking forward to meeting you guys.

I can't tell you how much good the Dean rally did for my outlook!

so many beautiful liberals...

Posted by: terry wilke at June 26, 2004 12:37 AM

Wife got pissed about something she seen on TV tonight:

******

On Scarborough tonite...at one point Joe says something like -

What's really wrong with this is that they don't have you (referring to a field reporter) there as soon as they get out to explain this stuff to them.

What's wrong with letting people think for themselves?

Posted by: guest post from Richey's wife at June 26, 2004 12:39 AM

C. -- I WILL own Conason's DVD.
Can't wait to see F911, but my daughter wants our clan to go as a group. So I have to wait till her English fiance flies in on Tues. Then we're going Wed. or Thurs. Rats!
Good news that the F911 DVD will be released in SEPTEMBER - plenty of time for wide disemination before Nov. 2, aka: JUDGEMENT DAY!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 12:39 AM

show me show me show me how you do that trick...

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:22 AM

Is it me or has Robert S. milked the whole Cure thing 15 years longer then he should have.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 26, 2004 12:32 AM

dissing Robert Smith now you're really gonna get a smack... (no you're right he's been wearing that makeup a few years too long)

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:39 AM

A walk on the fraser
Rainbow RR Bridge
Leah meets great gramps mandolin

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/MRRpics/lst?.dir=/Leas+riverwalkn+mando&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:39 AM

Word is in New York among many of the monied formerly Republican... that they smell change in the air and are frankly disgusted with Bush... I only now hear loud disdain for Bush and his cronies.... these type of people are not dumb and they have enough money doing what they do that for the most part they don't need Bush to help them make money.....

I remember Giuliani who most of us hated here in NY until 9/11 and then a few frightened people got oddly sentimental about him... but after he was out of office.. you may remember that he got a consulting job with Merrill Lynch and then Eliot Spitzer ...who you might be surprised to find many on Wall St actually love (Spitzer).....did that first suit against Merrill and Giuliani was basically caught off guard... and Merrill realized that Giuliani isn't really a 'money' guy.... and wasn't worth his fee... whatever it is....... and this just illustrates that these people really look down on a lot of these politicians.. they have more money than them and know they don't need them... and so they can afford to do the 'right' thing.. if they choose........

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:40 AM

Cure kicks ass Dave. Hasn't Nuge been an idiot a bit too long?

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:34 AM

Have you seen them lately? There is a time to move on with your life and he past it many years ago.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 26, 2004 12:40 AM

>>if bush got assassinated (...)do you think >>nader could beat cheney?

What happened to Kerry? But, no, I don't think he'd beat ANY mainstream candidate.

As I've said before, until greens (or any other 3rd party) hold seats in the senate and house running for president is pointless. Even if he defies the odds and wins, how can you expect anything but static from both sides of the ailse?

Nader can't decree laws any more than GW, maybe thats not the best example. But W is the leader of a very powerful machine, Ralph would be standing alone naked, with the republican jackals ripped him into shreds.

Posted by: chubby_bubba at June 26, 2004 12:42 AM

Mel I heard today that Nader was actually telling people in swing states to come to his rallies but vote for Kerry...

Good for him maybe I won't shove my foot as far up his ass as I first thought

Michael moore will be on conan in 10-15 minutes

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:43 AM

Alright I got to go. See you Nobody, Catharine, Cathy in Seattle and Mel. You guys are my favorite libs. The wife said it’s her or this blog. I told her you guys need the truth machine but it didn't work.

I'm having an election party in November and I'll be on this blog the night of the election and you can let me know how your holding up knowing you'll have to deal with Bush for 4 more years.

Posted by: David The Conservative at June 26, 2004 12:45 AM

>Word is in New York among many of the monied formerly Republican... that they smell change in the air and are frankly disgusted with Bush... I only now hear loud disdain for Bush and his cronies.... these type of people are not dumb and they have enough money doing what they do that for the most part they don't need Bush to help them make money.....<<

Maybe they'll come to believe the Naderites who say that Bush and Kerry are identical. If we could just get them to switch their votes to Kerry we'd be in fat city.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:45 AM

Goddess bless your wife, Dave. Get her on the blog some time.

Posted by: cathy in seattle! at June 26, 2004 12:46 AM

Awww to live in the kind of fantasy world that the conservatives do...no thanks I'll stick to reality.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:47 AM

g'nite Dave

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:47 AM

later dave.

(curestilrocks)

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 12:50 AM

Night all, New York Tomorrow!!!!

xoxoxoxoxo

Posted by: terry wilke at June 26, 2004 12:50 AM

sigh...I hate getting here late...everyone and their weird needing sleep thing ....sheesh

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:50 AM

~~~not convinced he isn't a petty little self centered twit~~~

A-HEM!

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 12:50 AM

Well I'm not

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:51 AM

hey there Nobody.......

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 12:55 AM

Hi Catharine...how've you been?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:56 AM

Sorry Nobody ... I'm not buying the mud slinging on Nadar ... I read the links but found little of any substance or concern ...

Nadar is a millionaire ... ok ... he also spends 80% of his income on public service projects ... he lives on a little over 25k/yr.

He is so far up the moral high ground, people just can't relate.

That said, I would sure love it if he bails out before the election and encourages people to vote Kerry (which I will do while holding my nose).

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 12:58 AM

nobody,

how is a vote for Nader like a suicide bomber?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 12:59 AM

Just got back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 and have GOT to say "KUDOS" to Michael Moore!!

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 12:59 AM

fair enuf; but for me............
think of fair-weathered Saturday during the French Revolution.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 01:00 AM

It really was a powerful part of F911... the soldiers speaking... and the mother who loses her son... they all hate Bush.... the son's last letter saying how he really wants Bush out... and how the soldiers in Iraq are all disgusted with Bush..... just thinking about it... it's really quite touching actually......

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:00 AM

moore on conan obrien right now

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:00 AM

I believe what I said was that Nader gets angry and say/does stupid things. One thing that struck me in particular was the article by Levine where Naders campaign manager at the time said specifically that the intent was to "punish the democrats" This kind of intent speaks highly of his morality.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:02 AM

Thanks for the headsup. Conan doesn't come on for another 2.5 hours here

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:02 AM

I agree that Nader's campaign manager is no Nadar

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:03 AM

I agree Nik E Poo..... Nader is not the enemy .. he is generally to be commended....... I would also like to see him drop out... but I feel he won't be a factor....... particularly if we don't worry about him.... don't believe the poll crap either....... don't believe the hype

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:04 AM

Stop you guys..................
I've got to wait till Wed. to see it.
You're killing me!

*methinks I might sneak out tomorrow for....hmmmm....a shopping trip.....for our anniversary....uh-huh......
Yeah, that's the ticket!*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 01:05 AM

Nader chose the man. Nader approves all moves he made. What perhaps Nader may not of approved of was the statement made by him. What politician would?

I've given you all the links I have on Nader at the moment but I can spend some time and outline things further lets say by tomorrow?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:06 AM

Hey ... don't get me wrong ... I appreciate and enjoyed the links ... they just didn't have the kind of teeth that would merit serious bashing ...

I never said he was charismatic ... he's probably no genius ... but his moral character is beyond reproach ... the thing most people are pissed about is they fear he could cost Kerry the election ... I'm concerned too ... but its a moral position

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:06 AM

I also believe that I said that Nader was telling people in swing states to vote Kerry and that this was a move in the right direction.

I also stated that I am not however convinced of his motives.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:08 AM

Clinton is on!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:09 AM

"they just didn't have the kind of teeth that would merit serious bashing ...
"

Ya...I think that's the point right there isn't it?

Be careful on which horse you jump and the zeal with which you defend him. You may after all be wrong and you may also be attacking a friend.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:11 AM

Clinton makes me nostalgic for an intelligent president with a good command of the English language

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:11 AM

she was saying Nobody that the links weren't really that bad. They just say he's a hardass jerk.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:13 AM

Sorry L@L! It's great.. I'll shut up now.....

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:14 AM

aaahhhhhhhh ... Clinton can actually answer questions he hasn't been preped for ... I wonder if Bush would do an interview with Al? ... WHOA! ... was that a pig I just saw flyin by?

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:14 AM

*hold your tongue, boy, that's it, breath!
think Stuart Smalley: Nader is a good person,
Nader is a good person, Nader is a good person.
Everything will be fine, Kerry will win, Kerry
will win, Kerry will win.

ahhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ahhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm.
feel the force, LaL, let your emotions subside!

Gollum....go away....no schitzy shit here, not now!*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 01:14 AM

Catharine you're such a diplomat ... you should run for office in your local politics ...

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:15 AM

Hey Nobody. The answer to the question that you asked in your blog "What do we do when we win? Part one" is answered by Bill Clinton on the replay of the O'Franken Factor, airing right now. It comes at the end of the hour

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:16 AM

Schlepper.... exactly my sentiment! I forgot how good he was and how much my standards have been eroded with Bush... despite my vigilance.....*sigh*

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:16 AM

council on foreign relations be damned,i liked and still like Bill Clinton

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 01:16 AM

Get that pig a Depends!!!!! .......INCOMING!!!!!!

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:18 AM

I heard the clinton interview earlier and I'm still writing that article....very slowly and very poorly I might add...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:18 AM

"... he'd of beaten him like a yard dog."
- Clinton

hmmm ... funny ... makes a point ... not very nice though ... of course Arnold would take him literally.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:19 AM

blah, blah, blah

"Now I do not care what Wanniski is trying to prove because it does not matter to my argument. I do care however care about the fact base that is presented by Wanniski. By presenting that fact base Wanniski does show that whatever Saddam may be charged with so may W."

blah, blah, blah

Posted by Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:14 AM

*********

Ok people forgive me for the long post but some people can't seem to absorb anything unless it's in long form.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:13 AM

************

(Boy, isn't that the truth?)

Nobody:

Isn't that just the point, Nobody? Isn't that why you haven't substantiated your claim, *precisely* b/c you don't care what Wanniski says. You only care what *you* say, and I'm not at all interested in what you say until you can substantiate your point. What you are doing is proving your own point of view and ignoring the claim in question (posted, yet again, in the asterisks below).

All the rest of what you write in this last post is merely a diversionary red herring (again). Coulda saved yourself a lot of trouble.

Your task is simple should you choose to accept it. Cut-and-paste from Wanniski to support your claim of what you say Wanniski says:

*******

"The point that Wanniski makes that 99% of What Saddam could be charged with would also apply to W is an important one."

Posted by: Nobody at June 24, 2004 08:42 PM

******

I am disputing the accuracy of your claim about what you say Wanniski says, b/c he does not say this. I am not disputing what you wish to change the topic to, Nobody. Focus on the statement above (between the asterisks) and substantiate that claim by dredging the Wanniski piece.

Here is your Wanniski link:

http://wanniski.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=3643

Again, Wanniski pointedly does *not* say what you claim he says. Only *you* say this, Nobody. You make the point about Bush and Saddam being equally guilty of crimes, not Wanniski. All your verbiage is just a dodge.

But the crowning glory of hypocr

Posted by: David Richey at June 26, 2004 01:19 AM

what's it about, nobody?

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:19 AM

I'm especially nostalgic after seeing the shots of Bush in F911

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:20 AM

Clinton makes me nostalgic for an intelligent president with a good command of the English language

Yes and charisma... the kind of president who can tell a joke and it not be some sophomoric prank or giggly school girl shite

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:20 AM

You all have to see The Hunting of the President! It just shows how people who are so devoid of morals and frankly... quite psychologically sick and twisted... will do anything... and I mean ANYTHING... to bring down people they are jealous of ......... and how the media plays in.... (as if we didn't all know that now).... as Joe Conason said tonight... Clinton is like the Maltese Falcon in that he is just the thing around which this shit all revolves around... it's irrlevant.... it's incredible to watch the motives of people who hate.... for absolutely no good reason.....

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:21 AM

i think it's barbara i think barbara bush is at the center of it all i think that barbara is the great satan and always has been...

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:23 AM

putti...the article...I try and outline the root cause of the situation we find ourselves in in natural terms.

The first part of the article is supposed to lay the connection between what we think of as sociopathic or antisocial nehavior and the alpha type or our leaders.

The second part shows that these behaviors which really turn out bad have indeed natural purposes and causes and that they go wrong because of certain socioeconomic pressures.

Then I go into how to alleviate these pressures with a progressive and liberal agenda.

Having a terrible time wording things correctly I'm not the greatest writer after all.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:24 AM

Too bad "The Hunting of the President" is being shown in so few theaters. And besides, it will probably never be shown in Phoenix

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:24 AM

Oh... and I was reminded that on the day that they played the 'interrogation' tapes of Clinton.. was the day that Clinton was at the UN with Kofi Annan talking about terrorism!!!! And as Paul Bergala said... talk about parallel universes!!! Shit! Stupid Republicans!

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:25 AM

You all have to see The Hunting of the President!
Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:21 AM

I'm stoked, but ... ya know ... I'm driving 130 mile for F9/11 ... I'm gonna have to buy a plane ticket to see that one.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:25 AM

i think barbara is the brain behind iran contra, the bay of pigs, the kennedy assassination, the 911 tragedy, ralph nader, the passion of the christ and the war on drugs.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:26 AM

130 miles?? Yep. It's worth it.

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:27 AM

barbara bush must be stopped.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:28 AM

I don't know Schlepper ~ they might play it in Phoenix.. besides Fox (video unit - Foxlight?) is going to produce the video/DVD that should be out in September... or you can get Conason's book.... Highly highly recommend it......

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:28 AM

Mal actually I think there is some truth to what you say however I would lay that at H.Ws feet more than anyone elses.

Both those parents are bad...VERY bad.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:29 AM

would you think of sending me a draft Nobody?
I'd like to read it for one, and I consider myself a pretty good editor. It sounds tough.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:29 AM

Well ... it sounds more extreme than it is ... I gotta go shopping anyway ... thats the closest market where I can get Uncle Sam cereal and organic brown rice ... did I mention I was a tree-hugger?

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:30 AM

Another "Greatest Generation" mother inflicts her Boomer children on the world.

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:30 AM

Uncle Sam cereal?

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:31 AM

Well putti I appreciate the offer...but i'll decline...However the first part is on my blog and does need a vicious rewrite.

If you want to partake of that mess I'd be glad of any help I get you would offer.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:31 AM

Uncle Sam is great ... ever see Saturday Night Live ... they did a commercial about "Super Colon Blow" ... you'd have to eat 17,000 bowls of All Bran to get the fiber of one spoon of Uncle Sam cereal!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:32 AM

Well maybe not THAT much fiber ... but its simple, no sugar, flax seed ... and its darn tasty

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:34 AM

Nik E? Bummer... (the travel, that is) .... glad you're a tree hugger!

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:34 AM

to all my friiieeennddss!!!!

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:35 AM

Ever heard of Cilium husk?????? AKA "Colon Blow"

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:37 AM

You drinkin' Mel?

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:37 AM

When I really need to get cleaned out ... I like Laci Le Beau "Super Dieter's Tea" ... holy crap! ... think muzzle velocity.

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:39 AM

I'll look for it Nik E Poo. I hope I can take it.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:40 AM

Nik E Poo ~ I tried that tea once years ago...... that stuff is nasty!

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:41 AM

This is getting weird when we start discussing ways to stray regular. Keep it up and we'll have our own Sun City Bridge Club table talk

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:43 AM

If you go for the tea ... use with caution ... [Nik hols up the box and smiles] ... it takes 4-8 hours to kick in ... have a small cup and wait ... don't do what I did the first time I tried it (ie: drink 3 cups in the morning while at work) ... hehe ... its good for the weekends ... BOOOM!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:44 AM

This is getting weird when we start discussing ways to stay regular. Keep it up and we'll have our own Sun City Bridge Club table talk

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:44 AM

A walk on the fraser
Rainbow RR Bridge
Leah meets great gramps mandolin

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/MRRpics/lst?.dir=/Leas+riverwalkn+mando&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:44 AM

hat stuff is nasty!
Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:41 AM

they have cherry flavored now [Nik holds up box of cherry flavored tea and smiles]

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:45 AM

yeah, I feel solidarity with O'reilly for one thing now- trying to keep the crap flowing.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:45 AM

Nice pics J thanks for sharing ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:47 AM

cool pics jim!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 01:47 AM

tanks gang!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:48 AM

Why do I get an error message when I try to view the pix at Yahoo Groups?

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:49 AM

and Nik you ever visit me I'll just point you at the cascara stand down by the swampy ;P

Scrape a little off...make a tea...whooosh!

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:50 AM

take RR bridge up to full size
caught this wonderful
difraction on bridge
top girderz!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:50 AM

You drinkin' Mel?

Posted by: Catharine at June 26, 2004 01:37 AM

eating egg foo young... watching late night talk shows and drinking bud...

I think only hard liquor is drinking and beer is just urine waiting to happen

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:53 AM

Why do I get an error message when I try to view the pix at Yahoo Groups?

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:49 AM """"

need to reggie

http://www.yahoo.com/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:54 AM

Jim -----I did

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 01:56 AM

me too jim.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 01:56 AM

hmm
go thru front door

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRRpics/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:57 AM

"to all my friieeennddsss!!!"
Charles Bukowski's screenplay for Barfly

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 01:57 AM

eya mel jus saw yer
emailie from a few days ago
nearly deleted cuzz no subject line
guess was right about personas

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:01 AM

eh sunny
nice pics bud
that cutie pie yer grand-daughter?

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:02 AM

eya mel jus saw yer
emailie from a few days ago
nearly deleted cuzz no subject line
guess was right about personas

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:01 AM

translate this for me please... it sounds like you think I sent you an e-mail... maybe I'm wrong about the translation but I didn't send you anything.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:07 AM

eya LaL
picked up backpicking
first intro to gramps mando

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:07 AM

Are we from the Land of Sky Blue Waters? Yah, sure. You betcha. Wanna buy a used Volvo?

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 02:09 AM

mus be diff mel eh?
no name other den dat!
no biggie, get a few emailies
per day, allus try to answer em eh?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:10 AM

i'll try to see em later jim. I had to apply to the MRR group first and i guess it'll take a while. It was good to talk to you all tonight though. I really like this. Goodnight.

Posted by: putti apollo at June 26, 2004 02:10 AM

Nite pm
via con dios

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:11 AM

okee dokee folks ... I'm gonna hit the rack ... nite all!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:14 AM

Me too. Nite all...........

Posted by: Schlepper at June 26, 2004 02:15 AM

Goodnight apollo

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:16 AM

hey sunny I just sent you a nonsense e-mail... no biggie just wanted to send something to prove that I could.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:18 AM

teach....your [grand] children well/
.....
and you know they'll love you!/

That be one lucky cutie pie sunny!

Went to a staff partay for my english muff's school this afternoon.

One the of the younger lovlies was wearing a
particularly, shall we say, form-fitting t-shirt;
which was originally the reason for my, a-hem,
attention. Anyway, the little lovely turned around (much to my dismay!) and there was a printed
message on the back...............

I'm always
looking for
Sunshine!

Damn you, Jimbo.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:20 AM

Damn it I missed everyone leaving again...a late cyas then ;(

But I did find this article about the cost of war in Iraq...

"If spent on international programmes, the same sum could have cut world hunger in half and covered HIV/AIDS medicine, childhood immunisation, and clean water and sanitation needs of all developing countries for more than two years."

http://ipsnews.net/print.asp?idnews=24346

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:20 AM

g'nite putti apollo

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:21 AM

re: Friday June 25 show

Okay, so I tune into your show via the internet (as I live in LA and have to do this to hear you) and am almost always enlightened, amused and entertained. Today however I had two main "sticking points".

In the first ten minutes of the show Janeane referred to Ray Bradbury as a "douche bag'. My problem with this is that Bradbury's comments regarding the title of the current Michael Moore film are childish and a bit curmudgeonly but way beyond requiring such a dismissive comment from Janeane. I look to your show to comment and discuss topics, to perhaps cite specific things Bradbury said and to address them. By dismissing him as a "douch bag" brings your show on par with the Rush and A Coulter school of radio. I truly expect a bit more from our team. Mr Bradbury has had his books banned by fundamentalist Christian groups, school boards and local councils. He has been a burning light for the left for over five decades and in a fairly unfair and dismissive way I feel you fell into the ant-intellectual trap you often accuse others of. Perhaps a BIT more analysis and less AM Radio early-morning-drive-time antics? I'm HOPING that was simply a friday-madness moment, or perhaps Janeane is goofy after missing Sam all week and had a momentary Brain Fart.

Second and most concerning for me is the lack of analysis concerning Michael Moore. I'm a TREMENDOUS fan of his work, am grateful to him and his skills and for shaking up of the general public...BUT not once have I heard you discuss the allegations that he has in the past refused to work with Union people on his projects. It's been alleged that Mr Moore refused to hire any Writers Guild members for his "TV NATION" television show. If true, this is a bit hypocritical . Have you ever discussed this? Asked him directly about this? Don't you think you should?
I hope we hold ALL people to the same standards. I know it is easy to admire a person for the overall work they do and to turn a blind eye to the behaviors that we find objectionable, but SURELY Janeane and Sam's show is the most appropriate place to question ALL people in the Public/Political arena...both our "enemies" and our "friends".

Keep Up The EQ

Posted by: Mark Pinkosh at June 26, 2004 02:24 AM

if we fed all the poor and did our best to conquer disease and put an end to war and a reduction to terrorist bombing, what the hell would we do about over population? there would be so many of us living that we would be elbow to elbow in well fed, healthy, safe and free human beings. What would we do with them all?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:24 AM

N - no profit on spending $$ on those "liberal" things!

They prefer:
Halliburton
KBR
Northrop/Grumman
Hummvees
body armor
bullets & bangs, et al.

Sick, twisted shit.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:28 AM

Mel...overpopulation?

As people get better off they have less children Mel. Birth control is effective. There is much land on this planet that could be "greened" and turned to farmland.

Of course eventually we will need a new place for people to live...

The money spent on military is more than enough to say rehab Mars or Venus and ship oue intrepid settlers there....

There are no problems without solutions only people unwilling to change fro mwhat they have always known.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:30 AM

Oh LaL I would argue that there is huge profit there if we were to start thinking in terms of "human" captital...

The base of every economy depends on manpower...and if manpower is the currency you work with then profits can be counted differently.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:33 AM

so you're telling me it's not neccesary to kill, execute, terminate and euthanize thousands off people a year to stem the tide of population explosions? So if contraceptives are readily available to developing nations in africa and asia and the carribean that as their economic status increased their population would decrease?

Mars Venus? how about the moon tough guy? it's much closer and already has been reached. a permanent satellite.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:38 AM

Mel first off...as people become wealthier they simply have less sex....Poor people have little else to enjoy but each other.

The population increase would slow...in very wealthy countries the population growth can be negative...Here in the US it's negative for the richest parts of our population and hence their policies.

Mars is the easy one to sell but I'd prefer venus because it could be terraformed on the cheap with extremophiles.

The moon would be a good place for a transfer station and power plants.

What I would like to see on the moon is high power high velocity rail guns to deliver materials to mars and venus...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:44 AM

Agreed, but I was addressing the literal.

Cold, hard cash is all the House of Bush and
their ilk comprehend; it IS their true religion.

Their idea of "human" capital is the fucking
gardener, maid, butler, chaffeur and whoever
picks their fresh fruit & vegetables.

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:46 AM

nite gang
love u all
all life is sacred!
Cya in AM

Over, i'm out...................*

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:46 AM

night J

In the literal yes you'd need initial start up funds...but human capital has great returns on it...think of all the minds going to waste in poverty and it makes you ill...

I'm really veru seriously considering a project to prove this...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:51 AM

extremophiles.

I couldn't find the word in my online dictionary so I can't say I know what you mean but the moon is big enough for a few cities and can be reach more easily than Venus or Mars which are too remote

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:51 AM

Me too sunny

G'nite guys, I'm noddin!
N - GSFS!

Peace
Lal
*crash*

Posted by: Liberal-at-large at June 26, 2004 02:52 AM

nite sunny

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:53 AM

Just google extremophiles Mel...generally they are organisms that live in extreme enviroments here on earth...enviroments just like those on venus

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:55 AM

night LaL

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:56 AM

Mugnuplefutz! Wugadoo!

plort?

yao.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 02:56 AM

okay I google it and you're right it was life forms that can live in envirnments that would kill other creatures...

But that doesn't bring Venus any closer to us.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 02:58 AM

SJ... argh. missed hum, dammit.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 02:59 AM

Exactly my point JIK

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:00 AM

Mel it does in fact...the byproducts of their life cycle for instance stabilizes acids etc...

They convert one thing to another same as all life forms.

Take an extremophile that likes heat and tolerates acid and eats co2 and craps oxygen...

Drop it on venus and let it go...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:05 AM

Knobwise! Wut state you in? uv the U.S., I mean.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:08 AM

yeah nobody that might be good for them but what about us?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:08 AM

ooops

no K

Nobwise, not Knobwise.

damn, I'm all hopped up on malted milk balls.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:09 AM

With the reliability of cicadas burrowing up from the ground, every four years brings the unseemly spectacle at the Republican National Convention where a bunch of neocon chickenhawks wrap themselves in the flag and sway with erratic WASPy "rhythm" to the strains of Lee Greenwood's "God Bless the USA." In the interest of accuracy, I would propose the following alternate chorus to that song for the likes of George "daddy, I'm scared" Bush, Dick "I had other priorities" Cheney, Tom "the Negroes got all the good combat slots" Delay, Dennis "bum shoulder kept me out of the army, didn't keep from wrestling in college" Hastert, Rush "boil on my ass" Limbaugh, John "another deferment please" Ashcroft, et al., et al., et al.

You all know the tune........

And I'm glad that I'm an American
Where the rich can live for free
And I'd like to thank the men who died
For my wealthy friends and me
And I'd gladly stand up...... uh........ somewhere safe
And I'll cheer you on today
Cause I'm just a right wing sissy boy
Who wouldn't fight for the USA.

Posted by: MontanaHunter at June 26, 2004 03:10 AM

I get it now... you're saying terraform with those extrema thingies. that just may work...

how do you know so much about this stuff?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:11 AM

now Mel they crap oxygen....venus surface temperature lowers and then you send in the larger plants that eat c02 store carbon...now you have an oxygen rich "greenhouse" that's not totally unlivable for people...

same gravity...same chemical make up as earth...just dropping extremophiles alone are gongi to cause massive rains...the formation of rivers...oceans...

Then we start gardening hardcore.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:11 AM

I'm in Wa Jik

Nice poem Montana...nice

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:14 AM

Mel I don't know a lot about anything but I know a little about everything...

No great claim to fame but it gets me by.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:15 AM

yuh. We got several strains of lichen adaptable for life on Mars.

Nobby, what state are you in? I wanna sen yer present now. SJ, Frolik, and Muck got theirs. Frolik and Muck liked their, haven't heard from SJ. Got Toni's e-mail addy,, but no state. After you, gonna send Cathy's.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:16 AM

The thing that got me wondering about venus was first that it's almost identical to the conditions on this planet of 4 billion years ago...

Life changed this planet slowly but see with venus we don't have to wait for evolution we have all the lifeforms here on this planet already just looking for a new home.

We have lifeforms that go back to the very start of the change all the way up to where we are now.

I like the idea of being a farmer.

The promotion of life in all it's forms are a priority for me.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:19 AM

JIK...Wa

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:20 AM

my head hurts... and I don't know why... all this talk about space travel has given me ahead ache... I think.

My egg foo young is all gone and dennis miller is on the tonight show... dennis may be giving me head ache... don't know.

Venus and mars are alright tonight.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:22 AM

I will not watch Deniis miller any more....he's just gone off...I liked the mask he wore before much better.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:23 AM

Dennis has lost it. he sold out big time. wishes he were a millionaire like his heroes and thinks if he kisses ass long enough he will be.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:25 AM

being a millionaire is easy...being a billionaire is the new standard...I think Miller was always like that...somehow he was convinced to take the mask off...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:28 AM

"'Son of PATRIOT ACT' provisions making their way into law in up to six bills now pending in Congress"

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=17185

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:29 AM

dennis talk about his reagan years saying he wasn't as square back then. I think he thinks he has grown up...

but isn't that the way with a lot a free thinking people age and resposibility seem to bring on a shift to the right. they have kids and pretty soon all they want to be is rich.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:32 AM

I don't know...the way it seems to me the older you get the more liberal you get...that's what I consider grown up

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:35 AM

Sent!

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:39 AM

crackers and go fuck yourself!

is anyone still up?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:40 AM

hay d!

i'm tryin to move my pictures around in the picture section but i keep getting error! group check...so i came to check on the group

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 03:41 AM

I think you're born Liberal.

You have the liberalism stomped out of you by society and...

as you grow older you fight for it back bit by little bit.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:41 AM

hey dar

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:43 AM

I have had a hard time
so I took to poetry and painting
to clear my brain a little...
how was your day?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:43 AM

hi Mel

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:44 AM

Shrub's base is predominantly single or divorced white males. People with kids who're around them tend to think about the future.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:44 AM

Mel...there may be some truth to that as well...but I wouldn't say that you can't learn it as you get older since a lot of wisdom only comes with age.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:46 AM

hey dar

painting is therapeutic and poetry is just plain cool...

have you seen the fahrenheit movie as of yet...

everybody else saw it today. I'm seeing it tomorrow

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:46 AM

Hiya Dar. Feelin' any better?

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:47 AM

Kids make you think about a lot of things...like how to get the obnoxious and illogical to cooperate with their own best interests.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:47 AM

caught in the rain without an umbrella...it felt good

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 03:47 AM

I sure liked that line Clinton said
about anger
that it is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die....
pretty good line eh?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:48 AM

not better JIK but here just the same
and that is good.

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:49 AM

Nobody

I think the media and the way that society is set up is geared to make you more and more pessimistic and fearful and less liberal.

I can't watch the news anymore. I get my news from the late night talk show host's monologues

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:49 AM

Interesting JIK...very

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:50 AM

sometimes I think courage is the essence of the thing. courage to debunk yourself and everyting you think you know. courage to dismiss the lower ambtions as unworthy. courage to accept your fears and work with and through them. courage enough to try and do something worthy. but then, I think all kindsa wacky shit.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:50 AM

I want to try and see it tomorrow as well
so what have people said about it? I am wondering if it is going to be a movie of the things we have all been reading about for years now. I am sure I won't be disappointed.

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:52 AM

Exactly my point Mel...I want to try and set up a different situation...A better sort of community as proof of the possibilities.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:53 AM

Nob ody, check your e-mail yet?

Glad you're alive, Dar. Keep on keepin' on.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:55 AM

Oh Nobody, what is your mind up to now?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:56 AM

Dar don't argue with te other half today...and still don't be overdoing anything and if you can do a little exploring sunday it would be good...you get a chance to accomplish something sunday-monday...you can help someone on monday

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:56 AM

Ok, I'm slow. Glad you like it.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:57 AM

Dar I'm thinking of a new project...

using my house design...I want to see if Ican do a self sufficent community...I want to build a town...commune...trying to work it all out...I'm having a good time with it ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:59 AM

dada, want to help me with my words I can't get the flow right. It does not fit right you know?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 03:59 AM

I like the AP wire and that's it. no other news agencies are any good...

I wish we had a news channel we could trust or rely on to give us all the facts without opinion.

but I think thats impossible.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 03:59 AM

i put up pictures and an explanation just blowing off steam and having some fun obviously.. someone says i have too much time on my hands and an advertisement for gibbs technical school!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:00 AM

Back later. Much to do, and me with only these eight little tentacles. Ah well.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 04:00 AM

Mel I don't even trust the AP moon owns it

I trust gonig through as many sources as possible and filtering out the crap.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:01 AM

Ewwww!!! dada!!! What's that on your hands?????

ROFL!!!!!

p :)

Posted by: petemoon at June 26, 2004 04:01 AM

moon owns AP? goddamn we got nothing!!!!

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:03 AM

Hiya darlene, Nobody, Mel.

Just passing by the pc on my way to bed for a couple hours.

p :)

Posted by: petemoon at June 26, 2004 04:04 AM

Mel we gotta build something of our own.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:04 AM

hey Pete...glad as always that you stopped by ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:06 AM

hey pete
hows it going?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:07 AM

Nobody sometimes you really scare me. I am having a tough time. I argued already with my better half. My democracy women's meeting is Saturday so I hope it goes ok? I will register more people you guys better hope to it!

Maybe I can help my son on Monday.
Maybe they will let him go.
lets hope you are right in what you see.

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:07 AM

hows it going?
Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:07 AM
========================================

Sleepy. Flight home got in 2-1/2 hours late. Gotta be up at 6.

YAWN.

p :)

Posted by: petemoon at June 26, 2004 04:08 AM

hello Pete!
your r always a treat!

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:09 AM

ya i like to edit lots and lots...see it like a grid...i don't know...it seems like some sort of magic gravity sometimes...

sometimes takes a long time sometimes stop and go...

reading stuff helps me get distracted so i can go back fresh...

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:09 AM

so, okay, we support air america. We vote accordingly but what else can we do. how do we influence our children when the media is louder and brighter and more colorful and has nuch more experience in seducing people?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:10 AM

I may have to live in your hobbit house Nobody! lol

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:10 AM

Dar...well some arguments you lose just by entering into them...right now you've got to focus on other people...you have great power to help those around you...focus and it will be ok ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:11 AM

had to download the Clinton interview from the archive and listen. WOW!!! was that AWESOME, or what?????

of to sleepy-bye land now.

have alovely weekend, all.

see ya Sunday, dadalux!!!

p :)

Posted by: petemoon at June 26, 2004 04:11 AM

Mel...our children look to us first...nature is full of loud bright colors and is the perfect backdrops for telling them the truths...

Like I said Mel I want to start a new community...and of course I would prefer to populate it with those of like mind...

Now...media is a million things...million million...kids don't understand the world...but they do understand what goes on near them...and tat's where we all have the most power...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:14 AM

yup i'll be there with blog all over my hands

(turpentine gets off the time..)

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:15 AM

Night Pete ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:15 AM

And dar it's substantially larger than a hobbit house ;P

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:18 AM

you know what? I planted a dumb bear story in here a few posts back...I have always had this
feeling because of other problems..so I have a missing son and I say he met up with a bear....
now today my attorney makes a house call and asks how my son was doing he heard he had a tangle with a bear...
someone want to figure that one out? How did he know?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:20 AM

y'know what mel?
turn it around...
use TV situations to teach lessons..
lotta teaching what they don't learn in schools...
like old days..mouth to ear...
get hip make it fun
pokemon is good for starters
hard work.

unless you're suggesting...THE MACHINE!?!?!!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:20 AM

night Pete I had a poem for tonight

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:22 AM

damn I love hobbit houses! can we at least have round windows?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:24 AM

"I accept the legal conclusion of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice that I have the authority to suspend Geneva (conventions) as between the United States and Afghanistan... I reserve the right to exercise this authority in this or future conflicts." -- George W. Bush, February 7, 2002

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:24 AM

NOTICE
Notice the intricate pattern of a spiders web,
The variety of cracks in mudflats, ice, sidewalks and faces.
Delight in the virtuoso of blues in the shadows of new fallen snow.
Gaze out across inaccessible colors compressed deeply into mountain glaciers.
Notice the forever changing patterns in infinite collections of sand,
or the boundless shades of green in the foliage of the season.
Touch the textures of tree bark, as many have done centuries before you.
See the glowing filigree patterns in leaf veins, insect wings and ancient beings.
Notice the shadows of tiny tree branches as they fall across immense skyscrapers.
Delight in the pattern of frost on the window panes of winter,
or the mist of life's breath on the linear surface of the same.
Gazing out of the window, see the cloud formations churning,
as life is, forever changing.
Feel the cuddle of a moody ,misty ,early morning fog.
Escape the beckoning colors of stoplights,malls and showscreens.
The neon signs screaming their warnings,
See them as colors trapped in stain glass windows
gracing the pristine cathedrals spattered
across the universe..
Glance upward to a now endless blue sky ,
pierced by the linear lace of a jet's steam.
Close your eyes listen ever so closely.
You can almost hear the earth scream
There is beauty in deteriorating paint,
on an aging screen door.
Yet it goes unnoticed.
Imagine the memories attached
to each particle of rust. Inconspicuously
drifting away from an antiquated car
We begin to live as we begin to die.
Given a list maybe one will take time to notice?
There is nothing more sacred than life.
Yet we are training young men to kill,
And asking them to give their lives
before ever having lived them.
Will anyone take the time to notice
the intricate pattern of human life
being destroyed before our eyes?
I've painted you a pretty picture
know open your eyes and face reality
Our worlds is what we make it
Have you Noticed we need a change?.

Darlene Poor

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:25 AM

Dar windows are easy to make round...

you can make any shape out of concrete

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:25 AM

yeah nobody but you still have to be a part of the larger state or country even the amish are bound by pennsylvania law and US constitution.

besides seperating from the larger group, how do you go about changing it from within?

there has to be a way to bring about a change.

even the most powerful forces on the planet can be sheltered against or harnessed. earthquakes, volcanoes etc.

I'm talking about defeating the media. turning off the TV and ignoring the front page.

I don't know nothing except what they tell me.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:26 AM

not bad girl....I have relatives with the last name Poor

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:27 AM

I don't mean just our children but everybodies children and adults as well

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:32 AM

ya d...someone i know from outside just happened in and i spotted him...what are the chances, y'know?

----

ask nobody, he'll tell you science

the odds of anything being anything at all defy logic

the odds of us being here are even greater

the odds on top of that about the bear coincidence are virtually infinite

maybe rational mind has trouble accepting fact of telepathy...

imagination is a tool..you can change your mind,personality,everything...some even argue your DNA...not like electricity but faster than light...not logical but orderly nontheless...telepathy

i want a miracle

supernatural powers would be nice

nobody, how does telekinesis work?...*}
only explaination is

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:32 AM

all Poors with no "E" are related my husbands family tree goes way back e-mail their names lets see how we are related.

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:33 AM

Actually Mel those natural disasters can be planned around and thus defended against.

Sure you're bound by outside laws but those laws are not necessarily restricting.

Changing from within is to design an enviroment were those stresses that turn people to the worng path are alleviated.

Changing within in another context would be to plant the seeds of those reforms in the minds of those around you.

I think you need to prove the concept to the world before they will move from what they know to what they don't.

You have to show it as "safer" more secure in as many ways possible...

my houses for instance because of natural shape, being half underground and pressure equalization are extremely resistant to tornadoes,hurricanes, earthquakes,fire and flood....

that's one form of security

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:35 AM

how lucky can one guy be?

i kissed her and she kissed me.

like the fella once said,

ain't that a kick in the head.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:35 AM

A cousin Dar...don't know much about that branch...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:38 AM

think moon owns upi, not ap

helen thomas quit over upi bein bought by moon

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 04:38 AM

I hear you nobody. teach by example. they wil trust us when they see it working for themselves.

but here's a question. what's to stop the evil empire from making it hard on us to create this mini utopia?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:39 AM

anyone interested in politics tonight?

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:41 AM

DADA if you replace the term "random with "indeterminate" you can say that telekinesis would be the mind effecting the indeterminism of matter/enegy in specific ways.

All order has a certain amount of randomness or indertiminsism...basically I like to think of it as a particle that just has nothing better to do so when you say...you're this or you're doing this it might just agree and do it or be it.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:42 AM

I know you like to think yo shhh don't stink
but lean a little bit closer see
roses really smell like poo ooo oooo ooo

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:43 AM

thanks for the correction...moon owns upi and not ap...

Well Mel what reason would they have for doing so when you play within their rules?

If you incorporate...pay your taxes...break no laws...how exactly could they stop it?

This would be a damned good thing to think about before it was attempted.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:46 AM

so its okay if i follow the AP wire for now? no moonies?

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:48 AM

Politics are always good Dar...whats your angle tonight?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:49 AM

real nice dar...you have more?

that's another thing...do alot so that nothing feels cheesy or weird anymore...than it flows better...

words sounds and colors are like vitamins...you want to get a balanced breakfast!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:50 AM

that's just it though nobody... they like to change the rules in the middle of the game.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:50 AM

Sure Mel ;P

Still better to check multiple sources....

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:51 AM

This is a brief page about what to do if you are facing draft registration (all men residing in the United States who were born on or after Jan.
1,1963 are required to register for the draft within 30 days of their 18th birthday or face a possible penalty of $250,000 or five years in jail.)http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/co_advice.html
>
It is unlikely that a draft will be instituted during the current phase of the war on terrorism. Still, if you have any questions about the draft,
this quick page of questions and answers provides a good introduction.
http://www.csmonitor.com/explainers/Draft.html
>

For many of the 133 House members and 23 senators who voted against
war
powers for Bush last week, their vote was a vote of conscience.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1011-02.htm
>
Would those who support war on Iraq still do so if it meant
enlisting, or > a draft? Or do most of the people calling for a war on Iraq want "war on
> the cheap?" While this article sometimes reads more like a call to enlist to protect the ountry than an anti-war statement, it still offers a
compelling > argument that "[b]eing unwilling to offer our flesh and blood is
> tantamount to confessing that overtaking Iraq has nothing to do with
> democracy or freedom."
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1008-01.htm
>
Whether or not there is a new draft, those people currently enlisted
in > the military also have the option to reconsider their service and become conscientious objectors. David Wiggins of Alternet calls on all US > soldiers
> > to resist and refuse to attack Iraq.
> > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14289
> >

This review of the PBS movie "The Good War and Those Who Refused to
Fight It" describes the lives and roles of

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 04:52 AM

----------------

come to think of it...

what IS happening here..

am i just paranoid?

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 04:52 AM

what rules could they change that would effect only you if you followed the model they themselves use....

How many companies are set up for their employees exactly like this?

profit sharing...multiple products...company housing...company medical...company funded schooling...

see what I mean?

and then there is always the native ability to adapt...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:55 AM

I only support wars of defense and see the draft as a means to make people hesitate from anything but a war of defense or of great need...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:58 AM

thanks for the correction...moon owns upi and not ap...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 04:46 AM

***

no prob

nite

Posted by: David Richey at June 26, 2004 04:58 AM

you're right nobody, it's good to think about so as to not be caught off guard.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 04:59 AM

night

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 05:00 AM

dar i mean the poem flows great,
it doesn't have to be such an effort to get it out...
altho,my song lyrics, felt like i was carving them from stone it took so long...

the blog is helping spontaneity,

but i think alot in relational webs too.

pop culture,history...myths, poems...

horror sci fi conspiracy...muse is there

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 05:02 AM

I am going to change my nic,
say goodbye to darlenenbc
its been fun!

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 05:03 AM

i've always been of the mind that all civil defenses should be mandatory from police to marines. I think a volunteer army or police force is a dangerous thing for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that you end up with the poor and the violent as your main force.

but if everyone had to serve in some capacity then we would all have more of a respect for the service and we would have a service that represented a better cross section of humanity.

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 05:05 AM

thanks dada yeah I think I went over on the imagery.

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 05:05 AM

wow...by, dar!
can't wait!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 05:05 AM

Weird...I've been thinking about networks and matrices...nodes and branches...

hrmmmmmm

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 05:07 AM

goodbye dar goodbye forever

you'll always be darlenenbc to me

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 05:08 AM

If any interest, two pieces (first older, second more current) on political hackery prevailing over policy wonks (the origin of John DiIulio's claim that there is virtually no policy apparatus in the White House and everything is pushed by the political arm; also, he of the Mayberry Machiavellis moniker fame).

Second piece takes it a step further.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0403.reed.html

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=87ZOPwwqxUtOFjp6lJXV%2Bh%3D%3D

Posted by: David Richey at June 26, 2004 05:09 AM

Oh and I must say good bye to officer Emmett and in the words of the VP Go fuck yourself!

Posted by: darlenenbc at June 26, 2004 05:13 AM

I prefer the draft to tie the hands of he politicians...but you've really got to offset it with high benefits for those that serve...

As it is our guys are getting treated like dirt.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 05:14 AM

"Anonymous" is the CIA's top Bin Laden hunter. But he thinks surgical
strikes on Al Qaeda are futile. "I think we've come to the place where
the military is about our only option. We have not really discussed the
idea of why we're at war with what I think is an increasing number of
Muslims. Which -- it's very hard in this country to debate policy
regarding Israel or to debate actions or policies that might result in more
expensive energy. I don't think it's something that we wanted to do, but
I think it's where we've arrived. We've arrived at the point where the
only option is military. And quite frankly, in Iraq and in Afghanistan
we've applied that military force with a certain daintiness that has
not served our interests well." And how exactly has slaughter and torture
of innocent Iraqis served our interests?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5279743/

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 05:16 AM

Goodnight guys

I'm gonna try to get some sleep

goodnight Dar, Dada, Nobody, DR

and goodnight Mrs Calabash where ever you are

Posted by: Mel at June 26, 2004 05:18 AM

night night Mel

Posted by: Mrs Calabash at June 26, 2004 05:20 AM

Fedayeen-Al Qaeda Link is Bogus Too

Newsday reports, "The CIA concluded 'a long time ago' that an al Qaeda
associate who met with two of the Sept. 11 hijackers in Malaysia was
not an officer in Saddam Hussein's army, as alleged Sunday by a
Republican member of the 9/11 commission. Commissioner John Lehman, who was Navy
secretary under Ronald Reagan, said 'new ... documents' indicated that
'at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen,' an elite army unit, 'was a
very prominent member of al Qaeda.' Lehman's remarks on NBC's 'Meet the
Press' lent support to the Bush administration's insistence that there
were strong ties between Hussein and al Qaeda. The administration
official said the CIA and U.S. Army obtained the lists of members of the
Fedayeen shortly after the invasion of Iraq last year. Some, he said, had
names 'similar to' Ahmad Hikmat Shakir. But, he said, the CIA had
concluded 'a long time ago' that none were the al Qaeda associate."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia223863038jun22,0,6059318.story

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 05:21 AM

Bush Has Zarqawi's Blood On His Hands for Rejecting 3 Plans to Kill
Him

Fred Kaplan writes, "As far back as June 2002, U.S. intelligence
reported that Zarqawi had set up a weapons lab at Kirma in northern Iraq that
was capable of producing ricin and cyanide. The Pentagon drew up an
attack plan involving cruise missiles and smart bombs. The White House
turned it down. In October 2002, intelligence reported that Zarqawi was
preparing to use his bio-weapons in Europe. The Pentagon drew up another
attack plan. The White House again demurred. In January 2003, police in
London arrested terrorist suspects connected to the camp. The Pentagon
devised another attack plan. Again, the White House killed the plan,
not Zarqawi... In the two years since the Pentagon's first attack plan,
Zarqawi has been linked not just to Berg's execution but, according to
NBC, 700 other killings in Iraq. If Bush had carried out that attack
back in June 2002, the killings might not have happened."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2100549/

Sgt. Javal "Davis' civilian attorney, Paul Bergrin, said during a
recess that he wants to question Bush and Rumsfeld about the prisoner abuse,
though he didn't include the request in court motions. Bergrin said
low-ranking troops at the prison were under intense pressure from the CIA
and other agencies to adopt 'Israeli methods,' such as forced nudity,
to break down Arab Muslim detainees. 'We would like to interview Bush
because we know as a matter of fact that President Bush changed the rules
of engagement for intelligence acquisition' when he said the Geneva
Conventions don't apply to suspected terrorists, Bergrin said."
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/8983738.htm

Geoffrey Miller's Torture Tactics Drove Gitmo Prisoners to Suicide

AP reports, "Three months after a get-tough general took command of the
Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, prisoners began a flurry of
suicide attempts, according to military records.

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 05:28 AM

Hrm....nice collection of articles David...It's gonna take some cogitation on my part to digest it. Seems to me though that there are more threads here than are explored. Especially in the frame of mind I'm in...thinking about providing a sense of security. When obviously the division as it stands between intellectual and ideologue makes both insecure....

I'll fumble with it a while...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 05:53 AM

6:30 pm

Arrive at theater in White Plains, NY to see that there was a huge line. Immediately I switched to liberal attack campaign mode taking the John Kerry button of my messenger bag and affixing it to shirt. [On messenger bag still have Dean and redefeatbush.com buttons :) ] Proceed to pick up popcorn w/butter and a Sierra Mist the official movie food of a Democrat in Action! or as I've been called a one man campaign muah ha ha ha ah ha ahem....

Proceed to enter theater which is packed. Note to myself, good support for movie is there. Right wing fanatics are going to have to make their own movie now. Probably Monica Lewinsky 90210. Or they could just create a web video equating all Kerry supporters and Democrats to Hitler www.georgebush.com you know what don't even give his site the traffic just click directly on this link mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/KCOWE_256k.wmv thanks to Barbara for bringing this to my attention.

7:05 pm

Movie begins shocked to see man spit styling his own hair is non other than Paul Wolfowitz. (I never saw his face before his name and reputation preceded him) I am also shocked that most young people in the theater don't even know who are these people they are laughing at, as older gentleman next to me has to list the axis of evil Ashcroft, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld etc. I could go on but I mean really. As movie continues and I don't want to give it all away to those who have not seen it, it does it's job combining satire, Iraq, 9/11, the Saud Bush connection, and W's military record. Remind me how did he become President again? Oh yeah the stolen election that was brought up too.

Halfway through the movie I'm so angry I can't even eat anymore popcorn. Learned something new about W's military record and Saud connection. Laughed at invading of cookie munching peace group in California who under the patriot act was deemed a threat.

In the End

At end of movie it was the first time I saw a movie get applause from everyone, a standing ovation matter of fact!
I am happy and angry at the same time.
Happy because the movie has the chance to influe

Posted by: Jason Gooljar at June 26, 2004 07:16 AM

Morning bloggers.
Was watching c-span. They have a gentleman named Salih Brooks on speaking about US policies in Africa.
He intimated that the US is becoming interested in Africa now...was...guess what....OIL!
We are now going to help because of OIL.
Big Surprise!
I knew there was a reason the admin was suggesting that we help in the Sudan now.
It couldn't be about the genocide happening there now...now could it.
Our "Compassionate Conservative" strikes again.

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 09:10 AM

And you know what is really funny? None of the calls have addressed this. Most calls are about the humnitarian cause.
I think one person called in and said that Africa was an ATM card for the US.

Mr. brooks did suggest that the UN is needed in more nations around the world and would have to finally address this issue and make changes toward that.

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 09:13 AM

He'd be a good guest for MRR interview. Sorry, I'm speaking of Mr. Salih Brooks.

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 09:15 AM

Got the name wrong. It's Salih Booker at
www.Africaaction.org

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 09:32 AM

I'm alone I think but still posting.

Kabul for Kerry in Afganistan:
Link: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040625/ap_on_el_pr/afghan_kerr

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 09:39 AM

"Education...now seems to me perhaps the most authoritarian and dangerous of all the social inventions of mankind. It is the deepest foundation of the modern slave state, in which most people feel themselves to be nothing but producers, consumers, spectators, and 'fans,' driven more and more, in all parts of their lives, by greed, envy, and fear. My concern is not to improve 'education' but to do away with it, to end the ugly and antihuman business of people-shaping and to allow and help people to shape themselves."

- John Holt

Posted by: Vosh at June 26, 2004 10:12 AM

mornin gang!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 10:24 AM

Morning Sunshine. How's your Grand Daughter doing?

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 10:37 AM

What has Kerry got left??????
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

U.S., EU Offer Strong NATO Aid for Iraq
U.S., European Union Give Strong Support for Iraq's Request for NATO Aid to Train Security Force

The Associated Press

NEWMARKET-ON-FERGUS, Ireland June 26, 2004 — The United States and the European Union offered strong support for Iraq's urgent request for NATO military help Saturday. "NATO has the capability and I believe the responsibility to help the Iraqi people defeat the terrorist threat that's facing their country," President Bush said.
"I think the bitter differences of the war are over," Bush said at the close of a U.S.-European Union summit. "There is a common interest and a common goal to help the Iraqi people."

Posted by: War Dog at June 26, 2004 10:48 AM

Poor Michel Moore.....

Did he think he could go unanswered???

Didn't take long....

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/trailer_sm.html

Posted by: War Dog at June 26, 2004 10:52 AM

WARDOG...Kerry has been saying this forever. Finally Bush is taking steps to get UN involved.

Bush was flicking off the UN for a long time. Since he invaded Iraq.
Now it's Bush's idea? Don't think so. We'll be lucky if we get help. Irish people up in arms about this. Just like us, they think Bush is a sham.

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 10:53 AM

It's bacause Michael Moore loves America, as we do that he made this movie.
Sorry bud. You are wrong.

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 10:55 AM

Got to get ready for work. Later!!!

Posted by: tonid at June 26, 2004 10:59 AM

But you see Kerry is going to look mighty funny saying it again...

Another issue lost to Bush...

Posted by: War Dog at June 26, 2004 11:02 AM

Work on a saturday!?

Posted by: Vosh at June 26, 2004 11:05 AM

grandy dotter
snoozin wit jaxxer
last i saw she n B was
puttin her july 4 costume together

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:07 AM

BBC Story on Bush censoring Photo of him outof uniform:

Bush filmed in underwear

By Mark Simpson
BBC Ireland correspondent at Dromoland Castle

When the US president arranged a visit to Ireland in an election year he wanted to make sure the folks back home could see him - but not dressed in a vest.

And that is why there was a wave of international censorship after George W Bush appeared at the window of an Irish castle wearing a white undergarment, rather than his traditional shirt and tie.

It may have been bedtime, but the president was wide awake to the potential public relations dangers.

After spotting the camera, he quickly backtracked, and allowed one of his aides to open the bedroom window instead.

'Best vest man'

It was too late. The cameraman had got the shot - George W Bush as you have never seen him before, in a vest, about to go to bed, at Dromoland Castle in County Clare on the west coast of Ireland.

Rather than being known as "America's best dressed man," he could now be labelled "America's best vest man".

These pictures are the property of the Irish presidency and must not be used for transmission by any service

Memo

The person behind the lens was not a member of the paparazzi, it was the host broadcaster - and that meant the pictures were shared with media outlets around the world.

The feeding frenzy did not last long. Within minutes, broadcasters were being ordered not to use the pictures, even though they were the most original images of the day.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3842335.stm

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 26, 2004 11:08 AM

Fed's Santomero says U.S economy is robust

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:45 AM ET

By Jon Hurdle

PHILADELPHIA, June 22 (Reuters) - The U.S. economy is strong but over time is likely to face a shortage of skilled workers as the job market changes, Philadelphia Federal Reserve President Anthony Santomero said on Tuesday.

In a speech that focused on education, Santomero said technological changes and increased globalization have driven the U.S. economy over the last decade and led to an increase in productivity.

"Productivity continues to rise rapidly in the U.S. Output growth is robust, and we are embarked on a new period of sustained expansion," Santomero told the National Commission for Cooperative Education.

As markets around the world become more integrated, many economists believe the nature of competition for U.S. companies is fundamentally changing, he said.

"These two factors (technology and globalization) have placed enormous pressure on firms to cut costs and to improve efficiency in the interests of self-preservation," Santomero said.

But the ever-changing demands of the knowledge economy are already making it tough for some workers who lack the skills to compete.

Santomero noted the proportion of the labor force with some college education has continued to grow.

"Yet, we are still graduating too few skilled workers to address the imbalance that has developed -- and will continue to develop -- between the supply of knowledge workers and the growing demand for them.

"This situation suggests a looming shortage of highly skilled workers and a potential surplus of lesser-skilled workers," Santomero said.

Posted by: War Dog at June 26, 2004 11:15 AM

so dogger remember when we wuzz talking eddicating
kiddooz an i asked if u were willing to help?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:18 AM

Always willing to help!!

Posted by: War Dog at June 26, 2004 11:33 AM

yeah!
we got common ground der bud!
so we falling way behind on tech skillz
an we gotta bs school system.
u see any of this?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:39 AM

I hate to sound like an advertisement but I have to say that salon.com really does a good job of covering "Actual News". Sorry, I just wish that more people would look at and read actual news articles than the fluff that is on the megacorp news sites.

Posted by: Steambomb at June 26, 2004 11:42 AM

stop radioactive tests of innocent walnuts now!!!http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3815379.stm

mornin!

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 11:44 AM

eya Steambomb

nother real good news site i prefer

http://www.cursor.org/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:44 AM

For the first time, a majority of respondents to a USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll say that sending troops to Iraq was a mistake and that the war there has made the U.S. less safe from terrorism. More on the poll from Gallup.

http://www.cursor.org/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:46 AM

eya ja
why u no call?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:47 AM

you know, I've supported Moore for a long time,
but that guy from newsmax this morning made a strong case for his total misrepresentation of charlton heaston. I thought Heston was a jerk!
turns out he's just a jerk if talk to him.

you think cheney & heston ever sit around in a secure office, saying swear words and giggling like school children?

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 11:49 AM

'Security a Shambles Ahead of Handover,' headlines the Guardian, with 30,000 Iraqi police officers set to be sacked by June 30 and "serious shortfalls of properly trained police and soldiers and vital equipment." Plus: 'Government to have little control over oil money.'

http://www.cursor.org/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:51 AM

eyeyey jim!

no call cause school, school done for weekend!
next semester start monday, so methinks I'll call you tomorrow? plus didn't want to interrupt the old family time with the gannkids.:]

got a couple good question ideas for first radio show, if we can get a couple opinions recorded this week, we've got a woking format.

how's the p.m. race going?
none of them want to re-regulate the cheebs do thay?

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 11:52 AM

Public Information, Private Profit?

Long publicly available, a database detailing federal contracts has been outsourced ... to a federal contractor.

By Michael Scherer

May 26, 2004

For 25 years, the clearest window into the murky world of federal contracting has been an obscure public database available to anyone for a nominal fee. No longer. Under a new deal approved by the White House, the government's voluminous compilation of contracting information has been turned over to a contractor.

E-mail article
Print article

Privatizing the Government
Civil Servants As the Enemy

E-mail the editor

Established by an act of Congress in 1979, the Federal Procurement Data System was a rare island of public information, the only complete record of federal contracts. Using the database, journalists, auditors and federal investigators could review the million or so agreements with corporations Uncle Sam signed each year. They could find the companies reaping the largest awards, track the rise in no-bid deals, and measure the recent drive to replace federal employees with corporate employees. But under a new contract, the General Services Administration has now turned over responsibility for collecting and distributing information on government contracts to a beltway company called Global Computer Enterprises, Inc.

In signing the $24 million deal, the Bush Administration has privatized not only the collection and distribution of the data, but the database itself. For the first time since the system was established, the information will not be available directly to the public or subject to the Freedom of Information Act, according to federal officials. "It's a contractor owned and operated system," explains Nancy Gunsauls, a project manager at GCE. "We have the data."

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/05/05_401.html

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:54 AM

604 864 9649

call now!

good time everbody
else snoozing, free time!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 11:57 AM

Lee Iaccoca joins the Kerry election team....

here is what he had to say when he gave his endorsement.

"The fact is, we can't compete unless our technology is world-class and cutting-edge. We cannot create new high-paying jobs unless America is the world's leader in the industries of the future. And John Kerry understands that.

"John Kerry would make a great commander-in-chief, I have no doubt about that. He would also make one hell of a CEO. That's what a president is.

"So today I'm joining the Kerry team -- as a front-line worker, I guess -- I think in their jobs division or department or wherever I land. I will try to offer advice and consult with the senator and do whatever I can to make him the next president."

Posted by: Steambomb at June 26, 2004 11:59 AM

like that N.Baker essay on the end of library cards kinda...

gotta love the use of secrecy to protect information. Thats logical.

like using vegetables to make a dam.

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 12:00 PM

Junw 30 is coming fast....which way will it fall good,bad,worse....you buy your ticket and you take your rise ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:17 PM

eya n
if we still dere on 30th
we pay reparationz!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:18 PM

ride even...sheesh...you know I really gotta get me someone to do my typing for me...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:20 PM

I'ts going to be increasingly violent...

And on June 30 the world will be watching...

If anyone wanted to make a statement it would be on that day...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:22 PM

sorry jim,
gotta finish one more paper today
workin on it now,
any good times tomorrow?
remember three hour time diif between b-lo and b.c.

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 12:23 PM

speaking of which
your paw healed up?
my gess we gonna have
to ruzzer em outa de burrowz
prob gonna need claws in good shape!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:23 PM

July 1st...headlines...Bush lied...again.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:24 PM

eya ja
noon good!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:24 PM

Always ready J...mostly ;P

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:25 PM

n how de boys workin out this week?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:28 PM

Nice day today...cool and bright just like I like em.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:30 PM

noon me
noon you?

moon me
soon you?

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 12:30 PM

noon fer me

3 pm your time

u should call now!

prep for yak!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:32 PM

Down to clean up J...then I'll have more time to spend...well no...Like usual I had to go and think up something more ambitious...I hate that ambition stuff...

On the off chance that things work out I'm gonna try and build a town...working out some bugs before I write proposal to go hat in hand with.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:33 PM

Yes, we have been shooting so many bullets in Afghanistan and Iraq that we now have a bullet shortage. Here are two reports about it.

See CNN report by Lou Dobbs
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0405/27/ldt.01.html

DOBBS: The military needs more bullets because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the existing supplier of that ammunition simply can't keep up with demand. A major U.S. defense contractor says it can provide more ammunition, but only by importing it.

Peter Viles reports.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

PETER VILES, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Fighting two wars at once and training hundreds of thousands of soldiers to shoot, the Army now says it needs more ammunition, a lot more. The question at the Pentagon and in Congress, should those bullets be made in America or made in Canada and Israel?

The Army's main ammunition plant outside Kansas City is nearing full capacity, turning out 1.2 billion rounds a year. The Army wants to buy at least another half a billion rounds. General Dynamics proposes a global solution, ammo made by Winchester in Illinois, by Israel military industries and by SNC Technologies of Quebec Canada.

And if the thought of foreign made bullets troubles you, General Dynamics says this -- quote -- "All of our teammates are currently producing small-caliber ammunition for the U.S. armed forces."

House Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter is pushing for $59 million in federal spending at home to upgrade ammunition plants in the U.S.

REP. DUNCAN HUNTER (R), CALIFORNIA: I think we should make ammo in the United States. And so we're putting in the money to modernize that base and increase production here. I don't think we should rely on foreign sources.

VILES: The Army confirms it wants more ammunition, but denies there's a shortage on the battlefield, saying -- quote -- "The troops engaged in operations have the quantity that they need."

(END VIDEOTAPE)

See Daily Star
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/21194.php

Army running out

Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at June 26, 2004 12:33 PM

n, ah!
ya when u gotta work outside
cool and bright the perfect day!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:34 PM

Pakistani prime minister resigns

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5303316/

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:37 PM

n, so you checked alla
articles on archologies
and sealed cities of course
over last 50 yrs or so n bucky
no stranger inna dat pile o paper?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:39 PM

an u keepin in
mind that global warming effects
got 100 yr half life minimum w/ regulation?

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:41 PM

I have never been able to stand the heat...

Hitchhiked across the brown and mojave in the worst of it...

Surprising how long it took before someone stopped

Had a better time going through texas cept for the guy wanted to give me a haircut ;P

No work today...not gonna do it...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:42 PM

J...more thinking of rapid cooling...system precesses...just like a hose right before it whips around and nails you with the spray...

hot side there will be war until it flips for other causes...

Yes I'm familiar with those particular tomes but knowing you you've found much that I missed ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:47 PM

an there's only 10 years hysterisis in the system...we're feeling what we did 10 yrs ago now...Now to change it from one extreme to another that's a hundred years...oddly though I think it will be a 30 yr cycle ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 12:51 PM

N mi casa es su casa

glad to share

always

truth is we all got a part o the whole
an when we share, we add insight
and data, the cumalative
effect is improved
gummint and tech.
"gravity! it's
not just a
good idea,
it's the law!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 12:59 PM

like the alf comeback?
wtf?

they've tried to bring alf back more times than tucker carlson changes hairstyles.

what are they de-sensitizing us for?

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 12:59 PM

On a small scale there is no way to do a completely closed system...

In a winter situation not enough energy entering the system for oxy generation until you're on the scale of a small city...which is obviously financially daunting...

Water recycle is easy...food is easy...that is if you don't have to worry about air...

vegetarians are cheaper to feed too ;P

hot side though hrm....doesn't need to be enclosed...only shaded....

an oasis is easy to build because of that...you just need some pillars

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:00 PM

Ja don't worry unless you really like cats ;P

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:01 PM

bet we can agree,
dis gonna take a while fer sure!
water the big trump card

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:02 PM

mebbe if alf ate garfield

MST3K : Ziggy had garfield nuetered? now thats funny!

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 01:04 PM

'
Follow the cartoon adventures of Cat and Girl as they wait for the bus, sell babies for profit, and attack the metanarrative.

http://www.catandgirl.com/

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:07 PM

Water recycle is so damned easy it pisses me off they haven't go it already...

If you keep chemicals out you can g ofrom raw sewage to clean water with no damned effort at all...just need a bit of a swamp...I like Iris' ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:08 PM

I watched Delta Force last night...

that movie is pretty much all the research the gov needed to do into terrorism.

prolly the reason many muslims have a wee bit of disdain for American opinion of them, the only time we put them in film from say... 1970-1999 was when there was a need for irrational destructive antagonists.

what about the rock, where one group of marines kills another?

just saying is all.

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 01:09 PM

With Plato's Fun Factory,

YOU can do it with PLATO!

Posted by: Plato at June 26, 2004 01:10 PM

iris
what a
gifta Gaia

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:10 PM

i made my plato into a concrete philosophy!
this stuffs great!

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 01:11 PM

Urban combat favors the indigenous population always...fucking stupid to think you can conquer anyone in this day and age.

dummies should've asked me I coulda conquered the world for cheaper and without shedding an ounce of blood...same amount of sweat I imagine though ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:12 PM

water? hmmm. or nanites.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:12 PM

we doin
it w/ plato
AND da resta de boyz!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:12 PM

JIK...biology...all you need is what's already here....wetlands are extremely efficient

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:13 PM

how was
never a prob
de BOYZ wanted a rip
dis wuzz what they came up with

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:15 PM

There's ways, and ways.

gotta start planting red cabbage in Iraq.

Know why? This is an 8 point *SCIENCE* question.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:15 PM

Companies just gotta get into the business of building customers from scratch ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:16 PM

nano what a joy
what a terror indeed
sos who gonna watch de watchers?
potential extreme one way or the other

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:17 PM

I'd start elsewhere but other than nutrional advantages and it's help cleaning out the system I dunno

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:17 PM

Yeah, ok. AAAAaaaaAaaaa. Got any Tab?

Posted by: Bob Gothwait For Vice President at June 26, 2004 01:20 PM

nano is totally unecessary...bio is preferable cept nana could operate in extreme enviros as pioneers for bio systems...

green the earth hell no green the universe.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:20 PM

u know space de place for a lotta dis experimentation!

one cu mile of ultra concentrated
nickel iron worth us national debt
prob would be finding one small
enough to move in asteroid belt
know theres one a pure gold
how bout diamond size of
small iceberg, that
would make a
hell of a
lense!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:23 PM

diamond would be a tough find...think of the platinum...now that's useful and more spendy than the yellow stuff...robots built on the moon and sent looking...really gotta do something about human lifespan but it's slowed for fear of overpop

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:26 PM

just getting it started today, but in case ya'll got any ideas

www.vaderadio.blogspot.com

no access to internet sun, jim I'll call at three,
tanks fo de offer.

vaderadio, giving the crazies on this blog an actual voice.

Posted by: ja at June 26, 2004 01:27 PM

Text of Al Gore's 6.24.2004 Speech discrediting liers can be found at Salon.com...
"Democracy itself is in grave danger," Salon.com, 6/24/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=2237909&l=42228.

Committee of Diplomats and Military Commaners for Change Press Conference can be viewed at:
www.diplomatsforchange.com

Enjoy

Posted by: pablo at June 26, 2004 01:27 PM

JIK? about that red cabbage...

I'd start elsewhere but other than nutrional advantages and it's help cleaning out the system I dunno

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:30 PM

history teaches, if we observe the curve. Every leap in tech meets a competitor, or is in a race. this might be a race between AI and nano. And it can go a lot of ways from the nano end, but the AI end has some definite limits. At some point a machine that controls its own programming, sensory stimulus, and task assignment... well... you get the idea. No chemicals, nothing but pure linear logic to rely on.... except, of course, the bodhisatva subroutines interwoven into the subcode, if we're not dire idiots. Forget encryption, make it blatant and integral.

Anyway, you wanna know where these cheeseballs in gov are heaeded, they couldn't much give a real crap about the oil except to keep it from China and India.

Sanity would dictate that we burn anything but coal and oil. Coal is just plain bad for breathers. Oil, because there are a large number of essential laboratory items and medical items made from it. To rely on shale oil is irresponsible. Until our nano or bio is good enough, we're nots not to reserve as much as possible.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:32 PM

JIK more solar energy falls on this country in a year than we've used during the entire industrial revolution....

Dual purpose solar electric generators....lets say that they as a byproduct sterilize-desalinate-purify water as they operated...;D

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:37 PM

red cabbage is handy stuff. So is cillantro. Both cleanse the body of excess heavy metals. Know what? They can also cause heavy metal poisoning. Ta da! Smart farmers plant it to remove the heavy metals from their land. Then they dry the stuff, grind it, and bury it WAY deep. They also tend to draw away uranium.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:39 PM

Ya so I got my 8 points...whoohoo...still I'd start elsewhere to stop desertification and lower the water requirements of crops...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:42 PM

Nobs, me brudder is currently designing just such a system.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:42 PM

EDTA transfusions remove heavy metals from a body...

problem is it takes calcium too...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:44 PM

leah thinks jaxxer
farts are from his eating
sparkalerz and skunks!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:46 PM

Simplicity itself JIK...most of my designs were done before I was 16...

I'm really not much of a business man though...

I've lost two businesses before this one thanks to needing to trust others...

I wish your brother luck...we're going to need it.

All buildings should promote an ecology.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:48 PM

lens? Near infinite data storage space! wooo-hooooo!

thing is, nano is moving very very fast.

and all it takes is one nut, one mistake, one whatever, and damn near anything could happen.
AKIRA. Liddsville. Mataglap, and we're goo. Aristoi. One huge diamond sculpture, where a planet used to live. Cheeseplants. ALMOST ANYTHING! AAAIIIEEEE! ahem. I'll be ok in a minute.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:48 PM

I see the gift for prose has been passed on J ;)

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:49 PM

jaxxer her new bunkie!

(ROFL)

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:50 PM

"I'll be ok in a minute."

What and spoil the fun?

so long as they don't start making them self replicating....

Bio is scarier...who needs mistakes when you have random mutations?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:52 PM

goota clean up the spent uranium. it causes birth defects.

desert reclamation is easy, if you know how yer legumous shrubs and trees. of course, I *would* say that, since I like the critters wut feeds on 'em. Big ruminants, elephants, so on. Think I watch too mch nature channel?

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:53 PM

qualifier: certain types of desert. forget if it's hardpack and rock, or sandy.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 01:54 PM

Well it's mostly the "new" deserts without any desert adapated plants...

course there are old deserts with plenty of adapated plants...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 01:56 PM

she bein watered
as a result blooming
rose of wonderful art emerging

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 01:56 PM

famous film
showing earth from
glowing ball to now eh?
mostly green fer mosta film
last few seconds are 'humanities'
period cro magnon up, lil deserts become
big and spread, fog of pollution swirls globally

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:00 PM

I'm not sure what my line has produced yet...

I envy the comfort and joy...

I'm still a worryin'

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:01 PM

than another plant fave, Quinoa. Look that baby up. Real cool stuuf. Added to Amaranth, you got a lot of problems whupped. Amaranth needs more foodlab time, but Quinoa is good to go as is. Got a funny side effect, in comse covered in a perfectly lovely shampoo, which has to be washed off before it can be eaten. But save the wash off, that stuff is a product! It's not actually a grain, it's a seed pod. Amazing nutritional value.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 02:02 PM

Quinoa

Quinoa is a cereal grain from Peru, which is closely related to the amaranth; quinoa is in the Goosefoot family, Chenopodiaceae. Our quinoa is definitely organic. The seed is about 1/8 inch in diameter. It is cooked and eaten much like oatmeal.

There are about 1480 calories in one pound of quinoa flour or seeds. The composition of the flour is approximately: 55.3% carbohydrates, 13.1% protein, 5.8% fat, 13.6% fiber, 9.3% water, and 2.9% minerals.

Special Foods!TM quinoa flour is made from organic quinoa seeds. Quinoa flour has a pleasant, nutty taste. It makes good tasting bread, muffins, bagels, pasta, milk, imitation nut butter, cookies, gravies, sauces, pancakes, flatbreads, doughnuts, dumplings, and who knows what else. (Recipes are supplied with the flours). ALL recipes are made without wheat or other grains, without yeast, and without milk, eggs, or sugar. Quinoa pasta is light brown in color; when cooked, the pasta is the color of whole-wheat noodles and the consistency of regular noodles.

Our quinoa products for sale include: bread, cookies, crackers, flat bread, flour, muffins, imitation nut buter, pancake mix, pasta, seeds, tortillas."

Nice pix

http://www.specialfoods.com/quinoa.html

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:06 PM

"lil deserts become
big and spread, fog of pollution swirls globally"

Growing up seeing stumps bigger than any trees and wondering...

Watching as my favorite frog pond was filled to build a playground so I couldn't play anymore...

Smelling my first city and getting queasy...

Going down to the stream where the fish come and finding none...

Long past time to rebuild the garden

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:07 PM

yup
u know i been
swingin for a while.
real battle against blindness
get purty good at it after a few yrs
standin on a hoor of a lotta shoulders bud

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:13 PM

not only
workin smarter
but workin harder
dis allready bringin
out the best in us all

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:19 PM

J problem is changing minds...everyone focus on changing everyone else...won't work...

Need to make it competitive...Need to be able to sell reality...Need to sell the right way of doing...Need to make a profit...only thing that will convince greed.

Got to prove the model before anyone buys it...but when you do...they will not only do as they should but they will give you money to do it again...

Lots of small coops making good profits...just no model for being bigger...

You have to be able to export the model...has to be self contained...has to be portable...a solution for any enviroment...

Can't fight stupid...you can only out perform it.

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:20 PM

Won't know which way to walk till June 30...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:23 PM

Hi guys .. takin a lunch break ... thought I'd check in. Saw this in an article about Moore's movie:

Bush's father, former president George Bush, called Moore a "slimeball" and charged that his film was "a vicious personal attack" on his son.

aaaaaah ... um well ... who wants to tell GHWB why that quote is ... sorta funny?

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 02:24 PM

july n august

will be a storm a dirty tricks

count onnit!

Posted by: Sunshine Jim at June 26, 2004 02:25 PM

This from my favorite paper...

It is a time of freedom and fear, of Gaia and of borders, of many paths and the widening of a universal toll road, emptying country and swelling cities, of the public bought into privacy and the privacy of the public sold into invisible data banks and knowing algorithms. It is the time of the warrior's peace and the miser's charity, when the planting of a seed is an act of conscientious objection.

These are the times when maps fade and direction is lost. Forwards is backwards now, so we glance sideways at the strange lands through which we are all passing, knowing for certain only that our destination has disappeared. We are unready to meet these times, but we proceed nonetheless, adapting as we wander, reshaping the Earth with every tread.

Behind us we have left the old times, the standard times, the high times. Welcome to the irregular times.

http://www.irregulartimes.com/

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:25 PM

damnit!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:25 PM

it's a hardy plant, but it can take upto a decade to adapt it to an area. be smart to get seed shipped around. Same for amaranth.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 02:26 PM

this blog has nic memory disorder

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:26 PM

Be smart to collect all kinds of seed...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:31 PM

George Bush, called Moore a "slimeball" and charged that his film was "a vicious personal attack"

haha

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 02:32 PM

Its not the best grain ... but triticale is an important grain. In the future, Kirk will be transporting quadro-triticale ... his ship gets infestd with Tribbles ... and then the hilarity ensues.

If we don't invest in triticale, Kirk and Miramanee might never meet!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:34 PM

If we don't invest in triticale, Kirk and Miramanee might never meet!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:34 PM

don't worry.... the time police wouldn't allow that

Posted by: ; ) at June 26, 2004 02:36 PM

Van Dammmit? Yuck!

Posted by: Nik E Poo at June 26, 2004 02:37 PM

standing by fer a few hrs

over........

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:D

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 02:48 PM

I suddenly feel the urge to join this here subgenius cult...someone stop me...buhahahahaha

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:52 PM

yuh dat. bout drittytrix.

Thaz why I started some clean action.

BTW, them as wut got my little gifts. You got thoughts on that process? Should we be looking for at least one person in each state? Make a little proj of it?

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 02:54 PM

JIK I think you should make the campaign public and then you won't need to look....

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 02:56 PM

Afternoon, peeps.

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:01 PM

I ain't no little marshmallow critter!

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:07 PM

Thanks for the good work. The interview with Bill Clinton was great. I just love the guy. If anybody wants to contact him, here is his daily online diary.
http://billclintonbookmylife.blogspot.com

Posted by: Lump at June 26, 2004 03:11 PM

FUcking cry baby !
Total loser.

(remember that Dumbya getting grilled in front of Irish TV?)
--------------
THE White House has lodged a complaint with the Irish Embassy in Washington over RTE journalist Carole Coleman's interview with US President George Bush.

And it is believed the President's staff have now withdrawn from an exclusive interview which was to have been given to RTE this morning by First Lady Laura Bush.

It is understood that both RTE and the Department of Foreign Affairs were aware of the exclusive arrangement, scheduled for 11am today. However, when RTE put Ms Coleman's name forward as interviewer, they were told Mrs Bush would no longer be available.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004_06_20_atrios_archive.html#108825764687097446
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1205871&issue_id=11063

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 03:12 PM

Hey kids, I need to put a temp moratorium on photos -- should only be fr a bit (couple hours mebbe) whilst I resize some monster pics...

Might need to put size restrictions fr a bit till we can get more space...

I'll post to let y'all know when you can post pics again...

frolik out!

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:13 PM

I ain't no little marshmallow critter!

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:07 PM

Mrmgr!

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:16 PM

god Damn it frolik you bit my leg off

[hobbles away]

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:18 PM

Anybody ever read the guest book at http://www.islamonline.net ?

There are some awfully sick people out there. Posts like "we'll kill/bomb/nuke you cause you have not condemned X Y or Z" even though apologizing for X Y or Z is the top story on the site and the site has many major Islamic scholars explaining why something is against Islam right there on the page!!

I really feel sorry for the majority of Muslims. Even if all 1 billion of them gathered together and said we do not support terrorism it still would not be enough for many people.

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 03:20 PM

god Damn it frolik you bit my leg off

[hobbles away]

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:18 PM

Mmmm... multicolored sugar...

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:22 PM

"Brother, Can You Spare a Dime," lyrics by Yip Harburg, music by Gorney Harburg (1931)

They used to tell me I was building a dream, and so I followed the mob,
When there was earth to plow, or guns to bear, I was always there right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream, with peace and glory ahead,
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run, made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad; now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun, brick, and rivet, and lime;
Once I built a tower, now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?

http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/cherries.html

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 03:24 PM

THE White House has lodged a complaint with the Irish Embassy in Washington over RTE journalist Carole Coleman's interview with US President George Bush.
//

WhaaaAAA?!? C'mon!

They are imploding more and more quickly everyday.

All they'll need is a small push soon...

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:25 PM

@#$@#$@ Cannibal!

RUN! EVERYBODY! RUN!

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:25 PM

No can do, Nobs. For several reasons.

Posted by: JIK at June 26, 2004 03:27 PM

Mhmgnwha?

(looks up, bits of shredded marsmallow hanging from feral, sugar-flecked mouth)

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:27 PM

Anyone got a recording of that interview anywhere?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:28 PM

Push too much and King George might push the RED button.

Posted by: Ulkesh at June 26, 2004 03:28 PM

Frolik already get you JIK?

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:29 PM

Wow... great lyrics. I never read them before...

//
Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!
//

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:29 PM

I predicted W's melt down quite some time ago...I really hope that I'm not as accurate as I thing I am....

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:31 PM

PEEP DOWN!....MEDIC!...or is that CHEF! CHEF!

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:33 PM

I predicted W's melt down quite some time ago...I really hope that I'm not as accurate as I thing I am....

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:31 PM
//

Yeah, I've got a bad feeling about those guys wanting to take us all down with 'em...

"If I can't have it -- NO ONE CAN!" ... that sort of thing...

Hope I'm wrong, but the signs are all there...

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:35 PM

@#$@#$@ Carole Coleman!

RUN! EVERYBODY! RUN!

Posted by: Bushies at June 26, 2004 03:35 PM

good day!

so many great new places to go to hang the old ring thru your nose,get led around like a moonie
(read: any religion you can think of...i like the post about American secular religion of the founding fathers up thread...)
don't bother with bob dobbs church of the sub genius....try discordianism, or cthuluism,
or maybe boo-hooism...

richey started nobodyism, oompa loompa's started Thagism...

i think the best cult is the one you start!...

S.O.B..."Stamp out Bob," 0r S.O.B., is an organization devoted to combating the Church of the Sub-Genius, which it denounces as a mind- control cult and not a real religion at all.
For $20, they will send you a bundle of Sub-Genius books and pamphlets, so you can see for yourself how dangerous, obscene, blasphemous and degrading the Sub-Genius cult is.

past, present, future: All are one in Yog Sothoth

He and his kind exist
not in the spaces we know
but between them.

the Blood is the Life!

Yog Sothoth Neblod Zin!!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 03:36 PM

Frolik...if it does go bad...lets just hope that we survive long enough to find each other and start over...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:38 PM

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new page up

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 03:39 PM

Frolik...if it does go bad...lets just hope that we survive long enough to find each other and start over...

Posted by: Nobody at June 26, 2004 03:38 PM

Amen. -- see you on the nu thread...

Posted by: citizen frolik at June 26, 2004 03:43 PM

hey frolik!

broke up with my girlfreind of 5 yrs this week...
so things have been a little 'tumultuous'...
now i'm free to give more time to the blog...
music is coming soon...now i can focus!

Posted by: dadalux at June 26, 2004 03:46 PM

here's hoping...

One sunny day in 2005 an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue, where he'd been sitting on a park bench. He spoke to the U. S. Marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."

The Marine looked at the man and said, "Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here."

The old man said, "Okay," and walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."

The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here." The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same U. S. Marine, saying "I would like to go in and meet with President Bush."

The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush. I've told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don't you understand?"

The old man looked at the Marine and said, "Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it."

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow."

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 04:02 PM

Hey Majority report,

Can we interview Ann Richard please? pretty please? I bet she has a lot of thing to say about Dubya.

Posted by: at June 26, 2004 04:09 PM

- John Holt

Posted by: Vosh at June 27, 2004 07:11 PM

Diplomats and Commanders for Change web site. Watch the National Press Club news conference at:

http://www.diplomatsforchange.com/

http://www.connectlive.com/events/foreignpolicy/

Posted by: pablo at June 27, 2004 07:25 PM

"I felt better afterwards," he told Neil Cavuto during a no-bid interview with Fox News. Hey, if it feels good, Dick, do it.

Posted by: enrique at June 28, 2004 12:49 AM

Vice said of W., "he knows I'm there to serve him."

Posted by: at June 28, 2004 01:00 AM

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