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oy, i'm so depressed & overwhelmed with everything.

Love ya gang!

Sam, Rachel, crew-- you guys are great. Have a good show.

P.S. I hope Lisa's dad can make it in time for the show.

the comments and blog has been a bit funky over the past 24 hrs. please forgive if any posts from last night got eaten

Hey everybody,

I was starting to get worried about the blog coming back up. =)

Glad to see you got it working.

Have a great show, Rachel's cool... this outta work for the night, but I can't wait for Janeane to come back. No offense Sam, but JG Rules.

Peace!

Paxil
WWW.MAJORITYREPORTER.COM

Paxil u cool Bud!

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Guests I would love to see on Majority Report.

Terry Tempest Williams: She has written some amazing books, and she is very active in both the environmental and peace movements, made more amazing because she is Morman and lives in Utah, where those views definately put her in the minority. Check out her newest article in the latest issue of Orion magazine.

Wendell Berry: another amazing author who has written a broad range of literature and books on politics and sustainability. Please check out his books, Citizens Dissent and In the Presence of Fear, which are both excellent and topical for the time we live in.

I think listeners would enjoy both of these fine authors!!!

Keep up the great work.

We need to force the $700 million theft story into the corporate media. I mean, what are free long-distance cell phone minutes for?

Here are the numbers, followed by the extensions required to reach the comment line. For extensions not listed, you have to ask the human to leave a comment.

ABCNews - 818-460-7477 ... 4
CBSNews - 212-975-4321
CNN - 404-827-0234 ... #, 1
FoxNews - 888-369-4762 ... 7, 1
MSNBC - 201-583-5000
NBCNews - 201-583-5222

hiatt@washpost.com

Unleash the blog-hordes.

wow, this web site is slowing down. (is it under attack?)

Hey guys.

Tim Robbins
Her Highness Gloria (from my era)

Wooo Hoooo

Happened to me earlier
wanda you'll get misposts
no prob think it's slashdotting

breaking news:

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63191,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

SACRAMENTO, California –- After harshly chastising Diebold Election Systems for what it considered deceptive business practices, a California voting systems panel voted unanimously Thursday to recommend that the secretary of state decertify an electronic touch-screen voting machine manufactured by the company, making it likely that four California counties that recently purchased the machines will have to find other voting solutions for the November presidential election.

The panel also voted to send the findings of its recent Diebold investigation to the state's attorney general for possible criminal and civil charges against the firm for violating state election laws.

I'm looking forward to seeing everybody at the march. I'm coming down from NYC with some friends.
and please Sam, doesn't this piss you off? This made me CRAZY when I read this! From CNN:

White House: Bush moved by casket photos

NAPLES, Florida (CNN) -- President Bush was "moved" by recently published photos of caskets containing U.S. military personnel slain in Iraq but stands by his policy barring their publication, a White House spokesman said Friday.

Absentee vote
just phone your state or county
piece o cake

"50 Ways to Dump the Dubya" MP3

And other madness...

Click my name. Have some fun.

Glad to see Robbins back.

Can't wait to see wha the has to say, plus Steinem.

YAYYYYYYYY RACHEL!!!!!

........HEYYYY!!! RACHELLLLL>>>>>SHE IS Ultra cool!

Hope we get another great show tonight.

WE MISS YOU, QUEEN AMIGDALA!!!! lol

anybody got your poop
together help your stoner
buds to register!

It would be cool to see some AAR signs on the news from the March this weekend.

WHERE IS JANEANE?????

>>> Katie

All the more reason to believe that our illustrious child-president doesn't have a clue.
Cheney runs the country and they shield the Shrub from anything that would upset our child king. Consider "The Happy Caterpiller."

Hellloooooo......... RACHEL.......

We are good to go......

Sidekick night:

Featuring Andrew Rideley from Wham! and John Oates...

Janeane is doing a press tour and taking care of some personal business. She will be back next week.

.........Sam quit pushing that voice recording...It's pass the funny point by now.

----------

I heart you Rachel!

Ah this is
gonna be a really
really big shew folks

"QUEEN AMIGDALA"

That's funny kixot.

see Rachel this is why UNFILTERED needs a blog of its own, instead of just depending on email....

Sam,

Tell Rachel to get a BLOG for her show... pleaseeee.

And try having a good time, instead of ranting. :D

Indeed! And how can CNN cover it with that Bush-skewed headline? If you dont know the whole story, you have no idea that he didnt want that photo to get out!

I'd love to hear Gloria and Tim tell us who the liberal intelligencia and the Hollywood elite are. I'm sooo tired of hearing the Right-wingnuts throw those labels around.

I agree with n69n! Tell Rachel to get a blog!

Hey, can you ask Gloria about her days with Harvey Kurtzman at "Help!" magazine.

I realize it's pretty obscure, but thanks!

That's my argument everyday. How ignorant do you have to be to vote for Bush. Not everything can be a liberal lie. Just one mention of one of the things he's done...just a suspicion is enough to vote him out. I guess due to my IQ being above 75 I cannot put myself into the mindset of a person that would put this administration in office for four more Years. There is nothing, nothing Bush has done that is not steeped in controversy or conspiracy.

listen to how professional Rachel is, shes *awesome*

don't forget that republicans make up the rules as they go along

Oh boy......Rachel is picking up Sam's style..lol

This is like having two sams on the show.

it is hard for bush voters to believe the truth

Anybody got a link to the original authorization bill that the Bushies stole the $700M from?

don't use this guys death to further misappropriation case. you have more tact than that.

Good golly, took me long enough to connect...

SAM!!!

Plausible deniability!
The Bush Administration deliberately created the so-called LINK between Saddam and Osama in order to be able to USE it to justify the $700 transfer of funds that were not disclosed to Congress.

In other words, they pre-planned it so far in advance--almost as if they KNEW the theft of $700 would come out, and deliberately created the mythical link between Osama and Saddam in advance, so they could use it as an excuse for the theft of funds.

They KNEW that if they had plausible deniabity in the form of "we thought they were part of the Al Qaeda terrorist group" they would be able to get away with it.

PHfffft. Boy I hate this administration.

-PK

Baghdad burning post yet?

Is Rachel, the Rachel that was a Rhodes Scholar?

Someone please explain why Bush's approval ratings are consistently over 50 percent and why he is leading Kerry in the polls.

aren't rhodes scholars fancy-pants elites?

Hi Folks,

Rachel Maddow is an excellent choice for a replacement. Leave the doorman at home next time, Sam.

Keep up the good work,

Jim

Sam & Rachel -- you guys are on fire tonight. Keep it up. Eventually, Joe Sixpack has to catch the outrage, too.

Just tuned in, what is Sam ranting about now?

Sam-
calm down...relax. yes everything sucks but ranting endlessly is a turnoff :(

NOTE: prwatch.org reports today that Rendon (of Chalabi/INC fame) has just been hired by the Pentagon to spin the mess in Afghanistan.

bcw, because there are a LOT of stupid people in this country.

and some of them vote.

Why are you so upset and arguing? Bush LOST the election in 2000. He's not even the President of the United States.

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
bumpersticker

Sam, you're foaming at the mouth and falling over backwards!

// Is Rachel, the Rachel that was a Rhodes Scholar?

no, rachel from 'unfiltered'. She is one of the best radio girl in AAR. Her morning show is very cool. It's very rawdy show.

Hey, Subway!

Looks like we're kindred spirits. I've bookmarked your page and will listen after MR. If your "How to Handle the Right Wing" is what I think it is, then you should get a hoot out of my "Dubyuh Tonight!" about the press conference, to the tune of "I Wonder What the King is Doing Tonight?"

Go to:
http://home.nc.rr.com/albalane/page-links.html

"Someone please explain why Bush's approval ratings are consistently over 50 percent and why he is leading Kerry in the polls."

Because people are freakin' STUPID!

Paxil
WWW.MAJORITYREPORTER.COM

e-mail congress and demand they investigate about the 700 Million

im eating chocolate ice cream right now.

I dont know why Bush is ahead in the polls. Are there that many ignorant apathetic "ditto heads" in the US. I love how they came out today saying they were afraid of a terrorist attack. Oh they're not trying to scare anyone into voting for them are they?

"How to handle the Right Wing?
Mark me well I will tell you all.
The way to handle the Right Wing,
Is to fight them.
Really fight them.
Stand and fight them.
Fight them.
Fight them."

Click.

this happened before. Dept of Education funds were used to support right wing groups' marketing of school vouchers after congress had voted the vouchers down.

Rendon Groups Helps Afghan Government With Image

"The Pentagon has hired the Rendon Group to counsel and coordinate communications for Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai," O'Dwyer's PR Daily reports. "The U.S., according to the New York Times, wants to bolster the leadership of Karzai by promoting 'visible signs of reconstruction.' The paper reports that Karzai's government, in recent weeks, has issued 'choreographed announcements about hundreds of schools and clinics to be built or rehabilitated in the next few months.'

I really think some of Bush's approval rating is because people don't want to know the truth because it is too freakin' ugly and will interrupt with their viewing pleasure.

American's will get interested when they run a reality show and the 12 contestants are dropped in a war zone, have to eat bugs, and whoever gets to Donald's helicopter first gets to be President.

!!House of Representatives

http://www.house.gov/

Rachel-- don't put too much stock in that "Karl Rove = Norwegian, Hans Blix = Swedish, and therefore all evil flows from that" theory. This morning, Liz Winstead's comments about various Scandinavian rivalries was funny and true in a Garrison Keillor, true-in-the-Upper-Midwest sort of way. I don't think it carries over to national politics (and it borders uncomfortably on nationalism/racism, though not intentionally, I know).

Bu$h was "moved" by the war dead??? Why wasn't he so "moved" when he started this damn war? I will TELL you where I would like to "move" that idiot: I would like to "move" him from squatting in our White House and "move" him right down to Guantanamo Bay. I bet there are a few guys down there we could let loose on him who would like to "move" Bush all right!

LOL! Sam just said almost the same thing!

Cat in Seattle

>^..^< <---coughing up furballs over CNN's headlines

If Clinton had done one of the thousands of egregious acts this administration has he'd be in prison for life. This resident needs to be impeached!

Hey, I posted a thing about arresting Ashcroft for aiding terrorism on my blog.

http://gamut.blogspot.com/2004_04_04_gamut_archive.html

The post is called Ahh, Unity.

Your forgetting the biggest point. The Constitution gives Congress exclusive authority to declare war but this congress even reliquished that to the White House.

US SENATE

http://www.senate.gov/

bcw

the polls are skewed, they have $$$$$$, and they spin everything from truth into lies

yes wanda, i know rachel is from 'unfiltered' but i think, and she can also be, a rhodes scholar.

fake addresses and letters? come on, isn't that right wing tactics :/

Thankfully, most of the really stupid people *don't* vote.

It's a fact and you know it. We're better off without them voting; if they haven't bothered thus far, I frankly don't trust them to vote the right way, anyway.

Yes, I said the right way. Perhaps should have said the "left way," but that might be going a bit far.

Does that mean the smart people aren't smart enough to stay ahead of the stupid people? Hummm

not nice sam ;)

Hi,

I want to know how i can start a serious men's organization.

I am just an average guy and I see a lot of things that don't get addressed or get swept under the rug.

I am not an extremist I accept people for who they are inside but it seems that there really isn't a chance for average men to standup and fight for their rights without being labeled.

Do we just have to fight it out?

Would organizations like NOW accept a real men's organization or will they attack it as sexist?

Over 225,000 men will get prostate cancer this year. Research is lacking.

Hundreds of men are dying in Iraq but there is more coverage if even a female is held hostage.

When men get their children after a divorce 75% of the time the mother neglects to pay child support. That comes from the Philadelphia regional statistics.

I have a friend in Hawaii lived with his female partner for 17 years in California now he can not get health benefits from his wifes job but a gay couple can.

There is a lot of unfairness going on.

Equality is EQUAL

what does Gloria have to say.
support us or hate us?

Women in Afgahanistan are not much better off after "liberation."

Afghan province bans women performers on TV, radio
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/ban-singer.htm
Reuters,, April 17, 2004
"JALALABAD, Afghanistan, April 17 (Reuters) - An Afghan province has banned women from performing on television and radio, declaring female entertainers un-Islamic, a provincial official said on Saturday.
The ban in Nangahar, a southeastern province heavily patrolled by U.S.-led troops hunting for Islamic militants, took effect from Friday and also covers women presenters of news and other information, the official said."

Afghanistan's Women after 'Liberation'
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/nanji.htm

Znet.com, Los Angeles Times, Sydney Morning Herald,, December 29, 2003
by Meena Nanji
"Last week in Afghanistan, at the Loya Jirga's (Grand Assembly) convention to debate Afghanistan's new constitution, an extraordinary thing happened. Malalai Joya, a 25-year old female social worker from the rural province of Farah, said what no-one up to now has dared say: that many of the Jirga's chairmen were criminals who had destroyed the country and instead of being given influential positions in the Jirga, they should be tried for their crimes in courts."

Self-Immolation Of Women On The Rise In Western Provinces
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/immolation2.htm

RFE/RL,, March 1, 2004
By Golnaz Esfandiari
"The Afghan government is expressing concern over the growing number of women in Herat Province who have killed themselves through self- immolation. Suraya Sobah Rang, Afghanistan's deputy women's affairs minister, says forced marriages and a continued lack of access to education is contributing to the growing despair among Herat's women"
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Where is all the money going in Iraq?

Corruption. The Spoils of War series on Iraq on Marketplace Radio

Millions - possibly billions - of taxpayer dollars are disappearing in a web of bribes, kickbacks and price gouging

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/features/iraq/index.html

I hope we are too honest to do that fake constituent thing. I have to advise against it on ethical grounds.

Where did Sam just give directions to? I'm from Missouri so I don't know anything about the geography of New York City.

......Rachel is great.

Hey Rachel, get a blog for your show already!
Your email never works. *sigh*

How can people keep voting for this guy? Where is the outrage over misappropriating 700 mil?
Why are we the only ones talking about this?

It's maddening...

Good show tonight, guys...

High Blood pressure ad right after Sam's Rant.

Coincidence? Or is someone trying to send him a message?

>> Where did Sam just give directions to? I'm from Missouri so I don't know anything about the geography of New York City.<<

I think Sam just direct you somewhere north of ALbany instead of Madison square garden. LOL.

Petemoon,

Pete Moon of The Who is my hero. An artist in mayhem.

I'll go to the site now...keep in touch.

Enjoy my website.

Did anyone see the Frontline special on KPBS last night?

Posted by mgmonklewis at April 23, 2004 08:20 PM

Wow...an M.G. Lewis fan! I'm a Maturin man myself, but Lewis was no slouch!

BOB
all u gotta do is be nice to people pretty soon everybodies hanging out havin fun and gettin down

I know a nice Christian men's association you can join:

Promise Keepers.

No women allowed.

sorry I meant Keith moon...long day, sorry.

87124 Rio Rancho, New Mexico -- more New Yorkers
in Rio Rancho than all of Florida---
it's west of Albuquerque

let's face it, we live in a country where the average citizen is more interested in who will win "American Idol" then who will win the next Presidential election.

and they will vote in AI before they will cast a vote for President.

I didn't know that Karl Rove had Norwegian roots.

On behalf of all other Norwegians, where polls showed 80-90% against the Iraq wear, I apologize that our ancestors have produced such a political monster.

It's way easier to dial a phone and vote for AI.

But even that gets to be too much trouble if you get a busy signal too many times.

Ron, you are so right!

Congress has adbicated its Constitutional duty to declare war and delegated it to the Executive Branch. The Republican/conservative Supreme Court won't lift a finger to oppose this.

I think Kerry is no better than Bush when it comes to foreign policy, but the Kerry team will appoint better Supreme Court justices so I have to vote for Kerry.

had probs with all AAR emails not a one got thru
8 i think of em

Thanks Wanda, I figured it was something like that. Send them all out of town, good tatic.

Subway, that's Keith Moon.

Hi everybody. Looking forward to a great show tonight.

but how many more people would vote , if the voting syatem was a easy as on american idol? hmmm touch tone voting? just asreliable im sure as touch screens...

We're clapping too.

Sam,
check out this site for a quick way of getting out the message.

http://capwiz.com/aauw/home/

//Thankfully, most of the really stupid people *don't* vote.

I'm not sure that's a good thing. Granted, stupid people should vote but we desperately need better than 50% of our population going to the polls.

This is exactly our mission... raise awareness everywhere. Decrease the stupid people.

Peace!

WWW.MAJORITYREPORTER.COM

GLORIA STEINEM CHANGED THE WAY I LOOK AT THE WORLD!

for the better, mind you.

Paxil, I admire your optimism.

Sam,

I'll give you a ride to D.C. on Sunday if you want to go. I just bought a new car, and am ready for a road trip, and am psyched about the rally.

Jeffrey

They're not called stupid.
We prefer "little brains"

Anyone out there going to the march??

I will be there with several friends but if you're flying solo and want some cool people to hang with, let me know.

Lucky M

Sam is rambling....he is definitely nervous...heh heh.

Paxil.. it appears the stupid people have been gaining over the smart people. They took the House and Senate away and then made gains in the off year election. How can that be, are the smart people just not voting?

CNN is calling the march and abortion issues march and not a womans issue march.

Good ole Gloria

Why is there no outcry on the money?
I'm with PK on this. Excellent analysis, PK. I had the same thought and posted recently. I don't know how far they pre-planned, but remember Cheney and Rummy survived the Nixon White house. They learned a few tricks.

Iraq = Terrorists says Dick Cheney

Congress give blank check to find terrorists.

THEREFORE we can spend money in Iraq where the terrorists are.

That is why Cheney HAS to keep saying AQ, AQ, AQ. He needs to create the feeling that they are there so that they can say the money is not mis-spent.
I'm confident that they will find enough weasel words so they will not have legally or technically break any laws. Rumsfield has said as much about these people who work in the bowels of the DoD that make sure these things work.

//GLORIA STEINEM CHANGED THE WAY I LOOK AT THE WORLD!

You, and millions of others just like you. Gloria Steinem's a legend.

Gloria Steinam--I Love you--simply put--you are one of the most important humans who has ever lived!

Grem-

ok...we're not cool we're geeks. But we're enthusiastic.

Lucky M

What about a mens march?

According to an analysis of 22 historical battles, conducted by the HQ Marine Corps in Quantico, VA., it takes four attackers for every one defender in order to succesfully invade and occupy a city. The Marines outside Fallujah are approx 4,000 and the population of Fallujah is 500,000. You do the math. According to Rahul Mahajan the Iraqi women and very young children are not taking part in the fighting. We might make a conservative estimate and say that the hard core defenders of the city, who are entrenched, organized and well armed, are 25,000. Those numbers are untenable. I taught Urban Warfare at the Special Operations Training Group to other Marines in Camp Lejeune for years. I have participated in our military campaigns in Kosovo therefore I believe I can speak with atleast a little authority. If we do not force the Democrats who are looking for our support for the upcoming election, those men waiting outside the gates of Fallujah, Najaf and elsewhere will never forgive us for our failing them. I am begginng you to use the Air America platform and your Star Power to get the democrats and all opportunities in the media to stop a massacre from happening. The democrats need to show that they have balls now or atleast they have lost my vote.

Or a march of the trolls, for those who spike the blog.

I think that it would almost make more sense for us to elect a president using the American Idol format.

There are over 37 political parties. Why can't we have them all enter three candidates and then do their speeches and whittle them down to 10 and then have the people vote by telephone.

Each segment can focus on different aspects of the candidates: one episode focusing on background, one focusing on different issues, etc.

Instead of each singing a song by Elton John they can each give a speech on the War in Iraq, media control and the FCC, choice and abortion, etc..

The Democrats are foundering.
They can't seem to advance.
A bunch of Right Wing Whackos,
Have got Dubya by the pants.

And no one's gonna stop them,
Till someone takes a stance.
And we're only Democrats,
That got a fighting chance.

We're Howard Deaniacs.

Kerry/Dean.
Win/Win.
No/Brainer.

It don't take a street musician to figure it out.

Click.

you can always tell if somebody know how to do biz or politics.
They always get back to you!
Peter de Fazio compassionate smart honest guy . Proud of em.
Always takes time to write!Oregon beauty state around eugene, bluegene
buncha hippies
n treehuggerz,
bless em all

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
check this site for the best coverage I have seen thus far regarding the Afghanistan conflict

And God bless Bella Abzug, while we're at it.

That's why they call them "radishes"!

*I was being facetious, by the way. I think the Washington march is very important, despite what some trolls seem to think.

Ground pounder: do you have a reference for that report? it is a good one.

mort sahl is about as radical as wolf blitzer

We have our heroes!

Grem-

...and god bless mr. rosewater.

kevr0n

if anti choice people want to control all our reproductive rights, maybe if they turn back roe v. wade their next idea is to prevent tubal ligation, vasectomies, and hystorectomies

What about a mens march?
Posted by bob at April 23, 2004 08:30 PM

If it's so important to you, ORGANIZE one.

Simple enough.

Say something about the Rhea County TN Commissioners who wanted to arrest homosexuals for crimes against nature. They also want to prohibit homosexuals from living or working in Rhea County TN.

We are having the first annual Gay Day Rhea County in response to their comments. For more info google “Rhea County TN Commissioners” or go to

www.GayDayRheaCounty.com

or to contribute to this event

www.GayGala.com

If a woman agrees to have sex she made the choice to take the chance if she waits or chooses other options then intercourse

isnt that the real answer?

I told my niece dont have sex with a guy unless she can look him in the eye just before sex and say What will we name the baby

and if he answers Jim if its a boy Jane if its a girl

then thats time to give it a second thought.

then again it takes 2

I need some help on something. I personally am opposed to abortion, BUT I believe that women have a right to make their own choices regarding what they do with their bodies. I'm having a hard time arguing my point, and was wondering if I could get some pointers on how to deal with rabid right-to-lifers?

Subway, I supported Dean too, but he's not VP material any longer. He's tainted. Unfairly tainted to be sure, but tainted none-the-less. Also, he said it himself, we don't need two New Englanders on the ticket.

Max Cleland or John Edwards are the best options.

//How can that be, are the smart people just not voting?

bcw, Yes in fact. That's a huge part of the problem. Complacency... the nation let its guard down and before you know it... BAM!!! What the fuck just happened? It's a combination of a concerted effort by a motivated body (religious right), and the unforgivable complacency of our great nation.

Peace!

WWW.MAJORITYREPORTER.COM

bob
march no prob talk to people
that allready know how to march
talk to fire men
antique fire engines cooool
need our support
cops 2 u know they people too

Glad Gloria Steinem's on tonight. Glad she's speaking right now of the transformation of society. Please, ask her about how advertising corrupts mainstream media (her essay "Sex, Lies & Advertising"). Or ask her to explain how the GDP (gross domestic product) undermeasures work in this country. Thank you for having her own and I hope she'll appear often (she's a personal hero of mine and I'm sure of many).

Mort wasn't that radical. He had some old ideas and was working out some tired schtick the other night. Janeane almost handed him his hat, but she was polite enough to not really nail him.

Screw the men! We've had thousands of years to screw things up as much as we have!

Grem-a man who is for all intents and purposes a mysanthrope!

Since this was religion week on Majority Report see the FRONTLINE program coming up next week.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe themselves as being "born again" or having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Often has the president recounted praying about major decisions facing the nation--but what do we actually know about the rudiments of George Bush's faith? To what extent do the president's spiritual beliefs impact or influence his political decision-making? And how closely do Bush's religious views mirror those of the country's burgeoning--and politically influential--evangelical movement?"

Any comments by Gloria regarding insurance companies paying for Viagra and not birth control pills. Any new legislation on the docket to change this?

Bob, if you're serious you should think about going to a site like Meetup.com. They allow you to search for people with similar ideas in your area and post a meeting place.

And it is National Organization FOR Women. Men are welcome and encouraged to join. Why does your group have to be only men???

FUCK PATRIARCHY

"the jesus factor"

Since this was religion week on Majority Report see the FRONTLINE program coming up next week.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

"As an evangelical Christian, President Bush has something in common with the 46 percent of Americans who describe themselves as being "born again" or having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Often has the president recounted praying about major decisions facing the nation--but what do we actually know about the rudiments of George Bush's faith? To what extent do the president's spiritual beliefs impact or influence his political decision-making? And how closely do Bush's religious views mirror those of the country's burgeoning--and politically influential--evangelical movement?"

It don't take a radical feminist to see that homemaking is an economic value that should be recognized in the GDP.

Duh!

Mort was worse--he was piss-assed boring!

Grem-

I haven't been able to get the webstream for 3 days. Anyone else?

LM ; )))

Unknown posts:
"mort sahl is about as radical as wolf blitzer"

thats a stretch, isn't it?
Wolf never criticized or made fun of anything on CNN.

its breaking away from the SUBJECT/OBJECT mindset to the SUBJECT/SUBJECT way of relating.

Gloria

How can i start a non radical mens organization?

how can i do this without being hammered as a sexist?

250,000 men will get prostate cancer

i have never seen a prostate ribbon

Hey johnny. No, the webstream's been steady last 2 or 3 days.

jr
randi spoke on that very subject, today. she pointed out that the right to choose does not mean that you (editorial'you') have to make that choice. but to deny the right of abortion is tantamount to be forced to have a baby. hope this helps a little.

kevr0n

Guest Idea:

Mavis Leno. Yes she is the better half of Jay Leno, and is a tireless advocate for women's rights, worldwide. Her specialty is the women of Afghanistan. Mavis was active working for them way before Sept. 11th, 2001. Check her out at:

http://www.nwhp.org/tlp/biographies/leno/leno_bio.html

Sam, watch your "ums"!

Yes, phuck patriarchy, hegemony and theodicy!

Grem-

Not enough village

Sam, Rachel is there to save your ass, so let her. She's a brilliant, eloquent radio voice, and expert on feminist issues (not to mention Rhodes Scholar).

So Sam, please pipe down, and let Rachel do the interview. You're wasting Gloria's, and our, time. Also, I know that you're a feminist, but like so many male feminists, you can't stop yourself from dominating the stage ... "the male ego". Please calm down. We like you.

Is Sam being elbowed out?

i've argued that point, but the person that i'm talking to doesn't even approve of abortion in the case of incest or rape. it's like beating my head against a wall, and this particular topic is hard for me to defend.

Is there an offical National Organization for Men too (by that title)? Perhaps a Grand National Organization for Men Enthusiasts?

Gregory Wonderwheel,
Here you go:
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6453/operationsa.html
The 4:1 ratio is common knowledge within the military circles. It is also known that any action in an Urban environment is utter butchery. That is why out of 6 months of pre-deployment training that Marines recieve before being sent out to these things only a mere 2% is spent training for Urban Warfare. The rest is spent in jungles of NC and hills and beaches of CA and Puerto Rico.

jrWatson: A fetus is NOT a baby. Period. But if you can't deal with that as an argument, as radical anti-choice people will not, how's this?

A pregnancy taken to term increases the chances for a woman to become ill, infirmed or even die in childbirth. She should have the right, just for self-defense, to protect herself from those risks.

was wondering if I could get some pointers on how to deal with rabid right-to-lifers?

The key word is "rabid." You can't argue with rabid people. My position on abortion's the same as yours. I can't rule out the ethical problems, for the same reason that I'm a vegan. However, someone who's a sincerely "pro-life" person should be anti-war, anti-deatth penalty, etc, Very few are.

The solution to the abortion "problem" is for people to be responsible (especially men), and for contraception to be promoted (which the pro-lifers refuse to do). For cases of rape, incest, mistakes, and accidents, abortion MUST remain legal.

"...and the unforgivable complacency of our great nation."

So true. Nobel peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel said once that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

Kennedy's half hour with Al Yesterday was a real wake up call to me about how devastated Bush is creating the new America. I feel like a German in the 30's must have felt under the Nazi Party. This is incredibly depressing.

doin fine! real fine!
10x10

What if people didn't compete for food?

like the arguement, maria, but i don't think it will work :) new insight, though

Can you believe the woman who `leaked' the pictures of flag draped coffins got FIRED for it? Not to mention the Air Force released several hundred similar photos.

Some `liberal media’, huh? What ever happened to free speech?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/

Sam, RELAX...
let the interview flow, like a normal conversation already.

.... :D

and quit reading the blog.

JrWatson, that's also my position. It's Kerry's position too. Being personally opposed to indiscriminent abortion is not contradictory to belief in reproductive freedom.

I oppose aggressive sales techniques, but I do not favor making aggressive sales techniques illegal. I don't smoke pot, but I agree with NORML. I'm heterosexual, but gay marriage is fine by me. Since pregnant women do not give up their right to define their own destinies, the state has no right to tell them that they MUST carry a child to term in their own bodies. It's a libertarian argument. Try it.

grem
"theodicy" webster's ain't helpin' me much with this word. help me out?

kevr0n

Gloria

want to stop the war?

do you drive a car that gets over 35 Miles Per Gallon?

I DO

Elie Weisel also said that, no matter what Israel ever does, he would never criticize it outside of Israel. Hmmmm. What would we call that if anybody but an Israeli Nobel prize winner said it?

Hey kids,

We have chat rooms at www.majorityreporter.com.

You have to register but it's quick and easy.

There's also threaded forums if you like that better.

Peace!

Mavis Leno was on MR on day 2, Apr. 1, thought she had some really interesting things to say.

Mister.

Id rather be governed by two Northeastern Moderates, than too Right Wingnut Texans.

Bush/Cheney is tainted to the point of stench..

Who ordered the Air Force to "Stand Down" on 9/11?

Who bought all those "Put Options?"

Having Howard Dean in the White House for 16 years would be the best thing that ever happened to this country.

Dean may be Kerry's only hope. The latter has no hold on the base.

Click.

thanks, Mister, that's a good point

"Pro-life" translates as "anti-women/anti-sex."

Is that Bebe Neuwirth narrating the Volunteers of American spot? Love her.

i saw on tv the other day that some pharmacists are fighting for the right to refuse to dispense birth control if their religion forbids it

A caller on the Randi Rhodes show today mentioned the above site today and I just thought I'd point some listeners to it. There is a picture of Dubya on it that is composed of nothing but photos of soldiers that have lost their lives due to this fake war. It's extremely disturbing, and something, possibly, of interest.

Why are all the loudest voices against choice overwhelmingly male? What's up with that?

I'd love to learn from the horses mouth just what the planks in Ralph Nader's platform are; mean; explained; in a relaxed fashion with maximum clarity and without going aboard him and dissing his sorry arse with maximum insult.

How about that my leftie friends?

It is too bad that the Phallus still compels us to spend most of our time even feminists dealing with the "Male Issue"--pardon the pun. But ignore masculinism and talk about female issues--you have a forumn here! Darn it!

Gremlin--a boy who is unhappy with the world that men have shaped, and which gains its power at the dtriment of others.

I'm steamed, too!

Christine: You think that's bad, some physicians are fighting for the "right" to refuse to see patients with diseases such as AID's. Just awful.

They're ALL inches from borth, you freaking moron.

God, I hate that man.

man i tune in for Janeane after seeing her
WHORE IT UP on lenno last night and she isnt here

BUM

mentos is it german?

mr
how'd you get to be so well balanced?! ;)

kevr0n

JR: it's like beating my head against a wall

Then stop doing it! Again, you can't argue with "rabid" people.

um, birth.

I was a little het up

bushalemia

inches from birth plus nine to six months of development.

Someone commented about if Rachel Maddow was the Rachel that was named a Rhodes Scholar.
Just wanted to answer who ever posted a comment about that. Yes, Rachel is the Rachel that was named a Rhodes Scholar.

I would recommend that everyone contact their OWN Congressional representative and senators.

I do NOT recommend making up things and lying to Congressional representatives and senators. After all, isn't the misappropriation of funds based on LIES (as Al Franken would say)?

If you contact your own representative and senators, you actually make them accountable to YOU as a constituent! What could be better!

In most cases, they do respond to your concerns. I know this from my own personal experiences. Writing letters and calling my representative and senators--lets them know what I think.

I now receive regular updates from my senators and representative since they know I will contact them with my concerns and thoughts.

Give them your real address and phone number. Let them know you are a constituent and a voter!

That is our power--majority reporters!

a state of emergency
(thats where i want
to be)

inches from birth plus nine to six months of development.

that's why it's called the space-TIME continum.

OK

what about the mouse in japan with 2 mothers

?
WHAT ABOUT IT?

???????

men have no chance now

jrWatson: good luck. It's not an easy argument to win. My brother was on the fence and argued that a unwanted baby could always be given up for adoption and the risk in pregnancy was a small price to pay.

That being said, you're standing on a street corner with a car bearing down on a pedestrian. They freeze. Their is a small chance that by trying to pull them out of harms way that you will be injured or killed. Should the government be allowed to force you to take that risk? Meaning if you don't try and save the person at risk to yourself then they can prosecute you for murder?

Also to all the guys out there, I have one word for you - episiotomy. Ouch!

JrWatson, you're welcome. Subway, you're preaching to the choir, but we have to be pragmatic. Put Dean on the cabinet in 2004; Surgeon General maybe. He could be very positive there. Then VP in 2008 if the opportunity arrises. Then president in 2012.

"the male ego"

Quite frankly ego itself is the problem, and little difference have I seen between the sexes other than men escalate to violence.

Hereditary and nutured perceptions we drive. Opportunities and re-inforced success. How much is done before 6. Before 10. Before 16.

Traditionally, where the girls must be more 'kind' when they don't fit in, boys are told to remain tough.

i am a stay at home father with 2 children.

i now appreciate my mother beyond words, i pray to my mother, and she is still alive.

to borrow a phrase: child rearing household management- IS the hardest job you will ever love.

-----------------
as for this
partial birth abortion deal:
if the rightwingers actually read the bible they'd learn:
you don't count 'til you are all the way out...

maria
don't say that word! makes my ass tighten-up!

kevr0n

To answer your question it is because most men fear women, sex and loss of power. Those three forces lead to sexism and desire to control in any way possible--It is too bad that we don't actually seek equality. But we don't to the point that men have fought to ensure that there is no Equal Rights Amendment.

Grem-

I might be asking an obvious question here, but who would choose to have an abortion when they're "inches" from giving birth?

"Ya know, Doc, I know I'm supposed to give birth in four minutes, but I'm having second thoughts. This is really going to put a damper on my lifestyle... so... can you kill it?"

Doesn't happen! It's OBVIOUS that late term abortions only happen when medically essential.

Fake zip codes? Aren't we (shouldn't we be) better than that?

You can rate the O'Reilly factor at
http://www.rateitall.com/showitem.aspx?itemid=3314&sename=oreilly-factor

be nasty!

As opposed to left wing extremists.....

ahahahahahah

maria
...and m' 'nads retract!

kevr0n

Good Luck in Washington DC Sunday Ladies! I hope it helps.

Exactly, Gloria! The rightists use terms like "partial birth" to villify anyone who dare think a woman has a right to make decisions regarding her own health. I also find the use of the phrase "partial birth" by "leaders" such as President Bush diminishes women and shows a great lack of compassion. I wonder if any woman close to him had to have a hysterectomy, would he refer to the procedure as a "roto- rooting"?

You know speaking of abortions, if it wasn't for Racheal Maddow--Unfiltered would be a complete waste of radio time.

Grem-

QUESTION FOR GLORIA:

Any idea what Phyllis Schlafly is up to these days?

If 2 people have sex and there is a baby

a woman can choose to abort it

shouldnt a man have the right to not support the child if there was no pre thought to them ever having a relationship.

Should men have the right to not be the father up untill say the 6th month?

Sam doesn't need to be saved. He can run the show alone. I wish more men would have even an inkling about women's rights like he does. Thanks for great insight and entertainment, Sam!!!

I saw a man outside a PPH holding a sign that said CHRISTIANS DON'T VOTE FOR PRO CHOICE PRESIDENTS. If that wasn't bad enough he was with 6 little girls one in a wheelchair. Planned Parenthood represents family planning as well.

The PBS Frontline this week was called "Son Of Al-Quaida" which profiles the children of Osama Bin Laden and one of their closest friends.

In Chicago here it is repeated at 2:30am this morning.

pbs.org go to Frontline

I had to drive 400 miles to have a D&C of a partial miscarriage in northern Michigan in 1993.

Well Kevr0n, we all have to suffer for the fight. ;)

mr
how'd you get to be so well balanced?! ;)

kevr0n

Posted by kevr0n at April 23, 2004 08:45 PM
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Moi? Gawrsh.

>> You know speaking of abortions, if it wasn't for Racheal Maddow--Unfiltered would be a complete waste of radio time.<<

yeah but, unfiltered I think has one of the best chemistry in AAR. It's 3 funny persons having a blast in radio show.

Say something about the Rhea County TN Commissioners who wanted to arrest homosexuals for crimes against nature. They also want to prohibit homosexuals from living or working in Rhea County TN.

We are having the first annual Gay Day Rhea County in response to their comments. For more info google “Rhea County TN Commissioners” or go to

www.GayDayRheaCounty.com

or to contribute to this event

www.GayGala.com

makin' babies in the field

Why is the dialog for men and women so lame then?

It's not hard for me to ejaculate outside of the vagina - it's alot harder to convey that and not be seen as a freak.

I can't see superceding the woman's rights while the child is still within her - she must have her own existence. The rate of unwanted pregnancy is what it is.

Legislation is not the answer, dialog is.

lois Mc Masters Bujold
iterresting riff on saving kids by using artificial wombs
Great Books
reccomend her highly 4 thimking out of the box

I must admit I was wrong last week when I said the show would suck less now tht Janeane was gone and unable to read scripts and mispronounce words (I forgot to mention the droning on part, however). Anyway, I've realized that the show sucks just as much. Gloria said some jibberish about male egos being akin to balloons. Being a windbag herself, I guess she feels qualifed to speak about this. I'm not buying it however, and I'm not buying any of this crap. Grow up! This isn't the 60s anymore. Your revolution is over and you've lost. Kids today aren't stupid and aren't going for this liberal junk. Also, if Kerry is to be annointed as your new leader...I'd say the election is just about decided already. He has no credibility and does nothing to promote your tired and spent cultural war. Good luck to you, but I'd say you ought to hedge your bets and start warming up to another four years of Bush.

Regards

Bob...
Nope.

That's the price you get to pay. You don't want to father a child? Don't have sex.
We have the biological burden of having to get pregnant, have an abortion or have a baby.

You have the biological burden of having no say over what happens when your sperm hits our eggs.

Wanna trade?

What was that site with the pic of Bush made up of the war-dead?

Don't feed the trolls. It makes their shit stink worse.

Bob great point...

What ever happened to the campaign to publicize women speaking about how having an abortion in the past was a life-saver (figuratively and literally)?

Rachel is a bore. Sam - shut her up!!

wish i could afford to go to d.c. damn dumya's economy.

kevr0n

Shouldnt a man have the right to say no we are 18 we cant have this child.
I cant support you

If female wants the child then the female supports it.

many men endup not going to college
endup in bad relationships.

endup not loving their children

because they dont have the choice to say

I dont want the child at this time in my life.

thats what you want for women
shouldnt men have that right too?

EQUALITY

we need a real mens organization

"If 2 people have sex and there is a baby..."

I can't hear you...I'm wearing a jacuzzi suit!

I fear the demonstration in Washington will not sway any of the Republican "right to life"ers to vote for choice. But I hope it helps everyone who goes and who sees it on television. Best Wishes.

Love,
Taylor

Photo Matt's Bush Moasic using photos soldiers killed in Iraq.
http://photomatt.net/archives/2004/04/07/mosaic

Bush virtual action figure with his silly quotes recorded.
http://homepage.mac.com/webmasterkai/kaicurry/gwbush/dishonestdubya.html

Bush and Happy Caterpiller
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-01/09-02-01/e02li122.htm

Bush fun gallary
http://protest.bmgbiz.net/

ASK GLORIA HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO BE MARCHING SAT.--------

http://www.noonedied.com/war_president_medium.htm

Have you seen the picture of Ashcroft made up of porno people? Anyone have that URL? Hilarious.

Thank you Andrea! We DO need more men like Sam.

That was my troll comment. I accidentally put Bob's name on it.

No. No feeding trolls.

"Elie Weisel also said that, no matter what Israel ever does, he would never criticize it outside of Israel. Hmmmm. "

I didn't know Wiesel said that, but I can well understand his position. As a holocost surviver, his life mission has been to prevent the repeat such an atrocity, and bring the war criminals to justice. There are still many people out there, such as neo-nazis, white supremacists, radical muslim groups, and others, who would be happy to repeat such atrocities. By not criticizing Israel publicly, at least he's not giving them fuel to the fire.

As for atrocities by Israel against palestinian refugees, I don't know for sure, but I imagine Wiesel would be among the people speaking up against that, WITHIN Israel.

What's up with the stream? It keeps cutting out!

(And no, I'm not referring to my prostatitis!)

Why do women in the Muslim world accept that role?

Thanks, Wonderwheel

cj, I think they get killed if they don't.

Men don't seek equality they want control.

We should not forget too, that anti-abortion is a veiled threat to women. Anti-abortionists won't be happy until women are dying with wire-hangers damaging more than just the babies.

Grem- pro-feminist male.

the women who would choose to use abortion as contraception would have unsafe, back alley abortions if safe ones were illegal

phil
thanks to you and maria, my 'nads is in my chest, now!

kevr0n

Gloria said there would be upwards of 750000 marching.

MaryScott,

Perhaps they need to see the Burning Bed??

>>> Ill pass

To each their own, but I hope you're voting for Kerry.
Disillusioned or not, pull the lever!

Mister
that head of bush with the pictures of the dead soldiers was MichaelMoore.com

Democracy has always been dependent on who is defined as part of the DEMOS.

In Athens the society depended on slavery of both men and women, but only the men in the traditional families were considered members of the demos.

EQUALITY = EQUAL

STEP UP TO IT

Taxi drivers of the world, unite!

set ur delay a little longer
increase your cache
old comp? add memory
update (Yeah! Linux)

Is Gloria on the phone from the nursing home or did they let her out for the night. This show and network are sooooooo 60's. Its 2004 and the rest of us have moved on.

Rachel, you can't replace Janeane so don't even pretend to try. I like the Sam's grittiness. Corporate America is the enemy - if you want polished everything, you're too afraid to be the kind of liberal this country needs to make real change.

Mister,

Who other than Dean could capture the fire and imagination fo the Democratic Party as Kerry's Running mate?

In the end it comes down to a question of finances.

Deaniacs raised $50 Million in the Primaries in contributions averaging $77.

The only other candidate that can raise donations that small is Ralph Nader.

Kerry/and 600,000 Deaniacs. People who also gave $50 Million + In Volunteer/Hours in the Primaries.

Apply this exponentially after the Convention.

Click.

Do the math. It can't lose.

Click

Rachel's voice is eerily similar to that of C.J. Craig of West Wing.

Bjorn, that's not a principled distinction. That's like an African-American refusing to criticize genocide in Rwanda unless he happens to be in Rwanda. By that argument, by the way, NONE of us should criticize Israel, no matter what it does, because neo-Nazis, etc. will seize upon the criticism to promote their cause.

have a great time this weekend, Rachel!

The people who call themselves pro-life are, on average, 52 yrs old, male, white and earn $50,000-$75,000 per year.

Nuff said.

Looking for the 2nd hour thread...

>>> Ill pass

remember: in remaining silent, the bearer gives consent.

kevr0n

End of Hour One. Tim Robbins RULES.

Some slogans from a march I went on in college, during Bush I:

Bush - Stay Out of Mine
Leggo my Eggo!

As far as I'm concerned, no one has any right to be against choice unless they do everything in their power to promote birth control. Sex happens, and it's not just teenagers who don't want to get pregnant every time, how on earth is a married couple supposed to really enjoy "marital relations" if they don't have access to proper contraception? That's the dumbest part of "abstinence only" sex-ed, as even if it kept teens from having premarital sex, what happens when they get married and don't know what they're doing, or have access to BC info?

Yeah, conservatives want us to return to the fifties--the 1850's. They are so progressive, unlike us progressives...idiot!

Grem-

saudis see their land as sacred so it would be difficult to just move away (even if they were allowed to)

Personally I think Rachel has one of the best femal radio voices on the air. But what's more astounding is what she says. That woman is pretty damn smart.

michael moore may have helped spread the image, but the original site is the Photo Matt source at

http://photomatt.net/archives/2004/04/07/mosaic

you can click on three sizes, small, medium, and large. Download there also.

There is a similar Rumsfeld moasic at
http://www.artofresistance.org/rumsfeld_mosaic/

I hope Robbins can finish that story now, that got cut off the last time. :)

Plus let's talk Bob Roberts and George Bush.

Here's who should NEVER be allowed a say in the abortion rights issue:

* Anyone without a uterus
* Anyone with a uterus that isn't capable of fulfilling its primary function.

>> Is Gloria on the phone from the nursing home or did they let her out for the night. This show and network are sooooooo 60's. Its 2004 and the rest of us have moved on. <<

I thought she sounded ok, and very inviting on seeing the issue.

and she comes to the studio btw.

So, I missed the interview with Gloria Steinem, didn't I? Damned it. Oh well... I guess I missed Tim Robbins too. Damned it! Oh well what's up now?

Got me there, Greg.

I hate it when my logic falls short. Uncle!

Hey, the 50's weren't that great. It wasn't all "Father KNows Best".

its too bad David The Conservative's mom didnt abort
but then
she didnt think she could get pregnant from anal sex

So '60s? I love it when someone says that. It shows they have not a brain in their head. Nothing of any worth happened in the '60s, obviously. Like civil rights progress, awareness of women's rights, environmental activism, etc. No, the whole decade was just one big step backward. Sigh, too bad we can't go back to the '50s, when men were men, whites were whites, and no one ever, ever dared to question their government.

Virginia - it reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom on just that topic many years ago. She mentioned the rhythm method. I asked,"Does that work?" After a pause she looked me right in the eye and asked, "I have 6 kids, what do you think?"

Second Hour BLOG Please.

Ashcroft and the porno people:

http://www.randomdrivel.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4128

Tim Robbins hasn't shown up yet, Robert.

Don't feed the trolls, please.

Worth repeating:

Here's who should NEVER be allowed a say in the abortion rights issue:

* Anyone without a uterus
* Anyone with a uterus that isn't capable of fulfilling its primary function.

thanks, cj

Did you see the soccer field video from of the woman shot in the head? Maybe there are reasons to go to war!

Subway, if Kerry doesn't pick Dean, will you still vote for him? Dean says you should. If he does pick Dean, I will vote for him, but I recognize that many fence-sitters will not, and - I fear - they are too many.

where's the Hour Two blog?

Troll: Thou art a craven swag-bellied
bladder!

CJ,
Thats absurd.

That video was from RAWA and they are not pro-war.

"
* Anyone without a uterus
* Anyone with a uterus that isn't capable of fulfilling its primary function."

Add to that :
* even someone with an uterus should have no decision right over someone else's uterus.

Any Deaniac that doesn't vote for Kerry is as bad as a neocon.

And I say that as a Deaniac.

hour two thread up

CJ,
Thats absurd.

Second Hour Blog is up

All those who say that easy access to emergency contraception will just encourage women to have unprotected sex and then rely on it instead of traditional contraception should try taking a course of it, seeing how sick all those hormones make you feel, and think about whether that experience is something they would want to repeat.

Theodicy
Etymologically considered theodicy (théos díe) signifies the justification of God. The term was introduced into philosophy by Leibniz, who, in 1710, published a work entitled: "Essais de Théodicée sur la bonte de Dieu, la liberté de l'homme et l'origine du mal". The purpose of the essay was to show that the evil in the world does not conflict with the goodness of God, that, indeed, notwithstanding its many evils, the world is the best of all possible worlds (see OPTIMISM). The problem of evil (see EVIL) has from earliest times engrossed the attention of philosophers. The well-known sceptic Pierre Bayle had denied in his "Dictionnaire historique et critique" the goodness and omnipotence of God on account of the sufferings experienced in this earthly life. The "Théodicée" of Leibniz was directed mainly against Bayle. Imitating the example of Leibniz other philosophers now called their treatises on the problem of evil "theodicies". As in a thorough treatment of the question the proofs both of the existence and of the attributes of God cannot be disregarded, our entire knowledge of God was gradually brought within the domain of theodicy. Thus theodicy came to be synonymous with natural theology (theologia naturalis) that is, the department of metaphysics which presents the positive proofs for the existence and attributes of God and solves the opposing difficulties. Theodicy, therefore, may be defined as the science which treats of God through the exercise of reason alone. It is a science because it systematically arranges the content of our knowledge about God and demonstrates, in the strict sense of the word, each of its propositions. But it appeals to nature as its only source of proof, whereas theology sets forth our knowledge of God as drawn from the sources of supernatural revelation.

The first and most important task of theodicy is to prove the existence of God.

Gremlin--it is also a word that connotes idiocy.

There are lots of options beside war. Think of all the wonderful things we can do.

If enlightened men like Sam don't have a say in issues regarding the uterus, there will be no change and ass backward men and women will dominate. It takes two sexes to tango.

"Rachel, you can't replace Janeane so don't even pretend to try. I like the Sam's grittiness. Corporate America is the enemy - if you want polished everything, you're too afraid to be the kind of liberal this country needs to make real change. Posted by SuzyK"

How is Rachel trying to replace Janeane??? Rachel is an amazing person and I don't see how she was doing anything in that sort?? I mean she co-hosted for only 1 hour!

"You know speaking of abortions, if it wasn't for Racheal Maddow--Unfiltered would be a complete waste of radio time.

Grem-"

You're right. Unfiltered would be a waste of time if Rachel wasn't on the show.

And two sexes to make change.

So really--I was misusing the word as Leibniz uses it.

Grem-:)

How can I join Citizens agaist choice

The 60's gave us:

Aids
Pot Heads
The need for Ritalin
VD
The garbage we see on TV today
Drug Addicts
Immorality
etc....

Here's who should NEVER be allowed a say in the abortion rights issue:

* Anyone without a uterus
* Anyone with a uterus that isn't capable of fulfilling its primary function.

Posted by Maryscott OConnor
---

I disagree. By this logic, women should have no say in whether their husbands should have vasectomies, blacks should have no say in how white people's taxes are spent, and people without pets should not have anything to say about doggy doo laws.

Also, it gives too much power too nuns.

(That was a joke)

Here's another definition:

Theodicy deals with the problem of evil. Usually it is an attempt to show that it is possible to affirm the omnipotence of God, the love of God, and the reality of evil without contradiction. The skeptic's argument generally is that given the reality of evil, we must sacrifice either the power (omnipotence) or the love (goodness) of God. A dilemma arises. If we give up the omnipotence of God, it appears that God cannot prevent or overcome evil. If we forego the goodness of God, it seems that God will not prevent or overcome evil. Most theodicies attempt to show that this dilemma is only apparent and that it is possible to affirm both that God is all-powerful and perfectly loving, despite the presence of real evil in the world.

Gremlin

Hey Tim, do drive an electric car?

Abbie Hoffman

I was a young woman before abortion was legalized. I was forced to have a child and it changed my life. I have been struggling ever since. I wish I could be in DC. I would tell everyone that, this administration wants to force women to have children, raise them in poverty with no help and then take them away to war ~ this is leaving EVERY child behind. The 1996 welfare laws basically says a woman "does nothing" when she cares for her children. It says that a corporate-sponsered minimum wage job is BETTER than being a parent and it is the only way to contribute to our communities. In essence then, it is also saying the ONLY people that contribute are corporations, not families.

If people think Welfare Reform only applies to poor people, they are wrong. Otherwise they do not believe the laws in this country apply to everybody. ANY work that is not paid is "doing nothing."

Think about it and then keep in mind why choice is so important because it basically forces women to have children with NO support from this society because now the law says they 'do nothing" by raising children. If it isn't paid work, it is DOING NOTHING.

So....

If you rock your daughter to sleep, you are doing NOTHING

Harriet Tubman DID NOTHING when she organized the Underground Railroad

Martin Luther King DID NOTHING when he organized the Southern Conference

The writers of the Constitution DID NOTHING when they wrote it

Granny D DOES NOTHING when she strode across America and into the Senate

Any church, mosque, synagogue DOES NOTHING if they feed the poor, clothe the naked or heal the sick

None of these people were PAID so they DID NOTHING

My two cents worth...

Cat in Seattle

not bad if it was another guy pushing

Off to hout two

I believe the issue on abortion is control and dependency. Temporally-speaking, a fetus, is a baby, is a child, is a teenager, and an adult. The fetus contains parts not fully developed, just like a baby. To state that a fetus is not an adult would be true, at the time of the statement. To state is it not human, would be false based upon the temporal factor, matter involved, and DNA sequence. The DNA coding accurately remains the same throughout--unlike cancer which creates a change in the structure of the DNA. The prime conceptual seperation is dependancy upon another for survival, which of course is the source of debate--To consider the needs of the one to the other. Similar to a situation where one person tells another to vacate knowing certain-death as a result, (taking the temporal analogy into account). Although the right to do so can be exercised, many people consider it undesirable or unfair. Conclusively, if evolution truly found it necessary for abortion, it would have attached an emergency eject button--but do what you will.

Maggie, point taken, Unfiltered WOULD totally suck without Rachel - but that's not saying much. But Unfiltered just can't touch Janeane or the Majority Report.

we got all that stuff from the 60s, conservative?

David the Conservative. Keep giving these commies hell

I don't think this is a popular opinion, esp. among women, but I honestly believe that if a guy does HIS part to avoid conception, and then offers to pay his share of an abortion, he should be allowed to be exempt from child support. I've known too many women who have done things to trick a guy into knocking them up, which I think is wrong. Women should have the right to control their own lives, but they shouldn't be allowed to hold a man's life hostage through manipulation, either.

a lot of that stuff isn't so bad. pot, tv, ritalin, and "immorality" don't sound very scary

btw, how are you laying ritalin on the 60s?

"Maggie, point taken, Unfiltered WOULD totally suck without Rachel - but that's not saying much. But Unfiltered just can't touch Janeane or the Majority Report."

I totally agree with you on that because I'm a bigger fan of the Majority Report and Janeane. I was just saying that Rachel was in no way trying to replace Janeane, that's all.

There simply is no justification for killing unborn babies. To treat these children this way shows how callous you people are. You aren't asking for a simple choice. You are asking for the right to murder another human. It's a baby, not a choice. How barbaric. And how shameless that you people would march like lemmings to promote such an inhuman pursuit. It's telling about you that you would treat the least among us this way. Preying upon these helpless little people for your convenience. Anyone who promotes abortion on demand is morally bankrupt. I hope you come to your senses one day. Until then, I will do all I can to help overturn this sanctioned form of murder. In the end...I think we both know you lose. More importantly, it will be a victory for these little lives.

does that mean we can blame the 60s for all mental illness? i've been looking for an ass to kick ever since i've needed to take zoloft daily. it's making me fat and sleepy.

and if you don't like ritalin, but need a treatment for ADD, try strattera, the non-stimulant choice for treating ADD

Sam - you're shining tonight!

Gloria woman made good point. In book of Exodus, the fetus is plainly made of less value than life of human being

When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

And Sam is the perfect consort for Janeane!!!!!

Sam, you fool, victims of abortion are called children. This is why you liberals cannot win elections and you will loose this one as well.

It's interesting that what's posted on this blog is diferent from what I hear on AAR. They are afraid to say what they really think because they know a small # of people in this country would agree with them.

An example would be "pot". I hear alot of positive talk on the blog about it but they don't dare say it on AAR. This is just one of many examples.

To JrWatson:

First off, there are many many people who are against abortion, but are MORE in favor of choice. After all, it does make sense, doesn't it? Abortion for many who have had one is a difficult experience--it is not something that they may have looked forward to in a "pro" sense of the word, but the ability to make a CHOICE, or not, was extremely important to them. As such, they are technically not "pro" abortion, but they are pro-choice.

Also, the far right wing has co-opted the phrase "pro-life". By co-opting this phrase, they have deliberately structured a slogan that would make the pro-choice people appear "anti-life" by comparison. (As an analogy, think of the way that the far right wing has wrapped itself in the US flag--making it appear that whoever is against them is against the flag/against the country/unpatriotic.) However, the more accurate term for the far right wing is "pro-birth" or "pro-conception" rather than pro-life. After all, it is pnly that small part of life that they are concerned about when it comes to the matter of free choice.

A good argument that has worked for me with my more conservative friends is the point: who do you want to control your life, your body? YOU? or the GOVERNMENT? A "true" conservative (in the original sense of the word) will admit that less government is better, and therefore the choice of a woman must remain personal, between her and her doctor, her and her conscience, and if she has a faith, her god.

On another note, what particularly concerns me about the more and more virulent forms of anti-choice, is the matter of entopic pregnancies. Speaking as one who has gone through one of these, if abortion becomes equivalent to murder, it is possible that a woman who has an ectopic pregnancy may be misdiagnosed as being simply pregnant, and if refused further care (or if she cannot afford it), WILL be in a positively life-threatening position. Nearly ALL ectopic pregnancies if left untreated (the complete removal of the ectopic pregnancy, and the related fallopian tube and/or ovary) result in the death of the mother.

I would hate to live in such a society where the fetal rights would supercede the rights of the woman, to the point where the woman dies.

-PK

SuzyK,
You're right he is THE perfect consort for Janeane. That made me think of Joy Behar's comment on if Janeane and Sam were sleeping together.

Thank you for "Bob Roberts," Tim!

I just rented it again and to call it eerily prescient would be an understatement...

Hey you anonymous creep - Women are full blown human beings who have every right to make human decision. Plus there are WAY too many people on this earth alreadyy. But let's talk about some real issues - if you are so pro-life - you had BETTER be anti-war (ie anti killing) otherwise, you are a total ass backwards hypocrite.

"Hey you anonymous creep - Women are full blown human beings who have every right to make human decision. Plus there are WAY too many people on this earth alreadyy. But let's talk about some real issues - if you are so pro-life - you had BETTER be anti-war (ie anti killing) otherwise, you are a total ass backwards hypocrite"

Thank you for saying that. There have been a lot of anonymous pro-lifers commenting tonight.

i think it was the founder of planned parenthood who said "a child's first right to life is to be wanted."

I think that it's a tragedy that there are unwanted dogs & cats, so bringing an unwanted HUMAN BEING into the world is absolutely awful.

Grem is a real man - a renaissance man...It's heartwarming!
Cath

Insults show your lack of inability to emotionally step back and really reason. If both parites use an open ear and an ability to point out logic and purpose, a point may be reached. Both the 'temporary' fetus and the women are human (via human tissue, dna, basic organic structure). There is no force involved, it was created through evolution. The fact we have tools has perverted nature in ways such as we see bush polluting the world. Every step of technolgy takes us further from our base, I'm not advocating being Amish or other almost technology-less cultures, however the point is given. Who controls this technology and how you use it in addition to tampering with the source of our existance will give rise to rebellion. I sure like no one telling me what to do, however I will 'execute' the ability to promote life any way I can. Deciding the life of another personally is just as bad as those right wings deciding the death of an convict.

Ectopic pregnancies are very rare. The vast number of abortions aren't for rape, incest or life of the mother. They are simply for convenience. The founder of Planned Parenthood's words may sound wise to you, but there is absolutely no wisdom in those words. To effectively say to the baby "tough break kid, it was just a fling. Your lifetime potential must take a back seat to my lifestyle." is cruel and selfish. If you are going to attribute rights to children, why don't you give them the right to grow up and tell you if they would rather be aborted or not. To snuff out their lives before they have a chance is unconscionable. I really hope you people have thought this issue through. All life...but none more so than innocent new life, should be protected.

And in response to the war comment: Sometimes people hell bent on killing others need to be killed IN ORDER to preserve the lives of the greater population.

Tim,

I'm so sorry I wasn't able to get through: the lines are jammed. Good on ya!

At such a crucial time, why are you stepping away from directing material for film in favor of acting?

With the profile you've garnered from the Oscars, isn't this the time to sally forth with conviction?

Killing something through our abilities of justification of worth and resourcefulness is like deciding if the homeless should die because they are a 'drag on the economy'. That is quite anti-liberal, is it not?

The Trolls are well feed tonight.

Creep: You miss the issue altogether...it's not about abortion, but you keep sticking to your beliefs and see how you fair in the final judgment as we all have to live with our choices. No exceptions. Why don't you add something more positive to the world than spending your entire life accusing people of killing babies.

Catharine...no, I think I am fully understanding the point here. It is not just my beliefs, it is my considerable pondering on the subject. Killing babies is wrong (unless anyone has misunderstood my point). I can think of nothing more positive than saving the lives of unborn babies, and encouraging our society to start valuing life over convenience. I think back to Dead Kennedy's lyrics when I think about the pro-abortion position, but slightly changed: "give me convenience AND give me death (of my baby)."

I woould classify our decline period as being closer to the fall of the Mayans. A highly polarized population. Top heavy leadership which claims to the throne come from above. Constant wars to achieve a blood sacrifice.

We need to make sure we give women a real choice. Keep abortion, safe, legal, early and rare.

The Republican administration's Iraqi military invasion strategy in a nutshell:

1. Invade, blow sh*t up.
2 ?
3. Profit.

Many of both the choicers and lifers here are not giving logic, premises, or purpose to their arguments. Blantant "is"-statements are not arguments. It's like wiping your ass with dog shit.

For those on the west coast, don't forget to watch Bill Moyers' NOW. It looks to be a goo one. On at 8pm on PBS

thankz bud!

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed,
the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."

-- Julius Caesar

People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
Tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.
-HERMAN GOERING

My dearest Creep,

I don't see how you and the American Taliban (extremists and anti-choice groups) can say you care about "life" when there are ophans and homeless people with us on this earth that need care but are not being care for. There are here "NOW!" How are their lives any less valuable than one yet to come? Should we not take care of the lives that are HERE, NOW instead of adding to it?

Like I said, killing babies for convenience is flat out wrong. It cannot be justified. You need to find out what these people are doing to get themselves or their decendents into these predicaments. Prevention is key. Personal responsibility is key. Since abortions for ectopic pregnancies, rape and incest are very rare, they are absolutely preventable and unnecessary.

I am not a member of the American Taliban. Is that an actual group, or just a figment of your (I suspect paranoid) mind?

Since abortions for ectopic pregnancies, rape and incest are very rare, they are absolutely preventable and unnecessary.

Let me clarify my statement...ectopic pregnancies, rape and incest are very rare, the rest are absolutely preventable and unnecessary.

The unfortunate/fortunate factor of existing in the human race is people are going to commit reproductive acts that will create children. As said before, you are compromising people for people. Human justification for killing someone young is just like the rightwingers for the death penalty. Part of the reason they want them dead is to save money, the only difference I in your logic is to kill them before the rightwingers get a chance to. Once again, same logic, different time, different 'wing'. Oh, and I occasionally do mission work for the homeless. The communist chinese have forced people to not have children (in a conservative fashion), the rights want to ensure the children. Just for spite and to retort on your insults, does this mean you are a communist?

You cannot compare the killing of a baby to killing a person committed of a heinous crime. There is no moral equivalency. People will be irresponsible, but that does not mean we all throw up our hands and sanction this behavior. That is the easy way out. By saying that killing babies because I made a mistake and got pregnant (knowing full well that my actions could lead to this outcome) is not a solution. I am not advocating compromising people for people. I am saying you should protect all life. In the event of a bonafide death row inmate, you may have to take his life to save the lives of others that s/he will kill if left to their own devices. Babies don't kill people. I've said it before, but it bears repeating: abortions for the conservation of the mother's life, due to rape and incest are the exception, not the rule. Your communist comment is senseless. Is this approach appealing to you? Would you advocate this for America? I sure hope not, as there would be a lot fewer female babies born.

>> Your communist comment is senseless. Is this approach appealing to you? Would you advocate this for America? I sure hope not, as there would be a lot fewer female babies born.

What? I'm against it, read mine again.

"Since abortions for ectopic pregnancies, rape and incest are very rare, they are absolutely preventable and unnecessary."

You don't have an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You have a salpingectomy or similar. There is no way an ectopic pregnancy can ever every be viable, as the egg is implanted outside of the uterous.

They are not rare.

If you have ever had any form of STD your rate goes up--depending upon the STD as high as 20%.

If you have ever had an IUD, your rate goes up to 16%.

After laparoscopic tubal coagulation, your rate is 51%.

Overall, general population, the overall rate of ectopic pregnancy is 2% to 5%, depending upon your economic condition (put simply: are you malnourished? mistreated?)

I have had 2 ectopic pregnancies, and am consequently sterile. After the first ectopic, I was told my chances were 50/50 for another ectopic.

If I hadn't been diagnosed correctly, if I had instead been treated by a doctor who placed holy of holy pregnancy-don't-touch-status on me, I would be dead. On my first ectopic pregnancy, I was told that if I had waited even 24 more hours before I came to emergency, I would have died.

Thank heavens at the time sex education was easily available, which included all forms of pregnancy, so that I could understand my own symptoms and know enough to take myself to the hospital.

This is a geniune risk if the anti-choice fanatics get their way in the courts.

Pardon me for jumping in....
While I love my brothers, they'd better the hell not interfere with my decisions on abortion or pregnancies. When guys can get pregnant they can have a decision in abortion.

When the Pope can get pregnant, he can decide if John Kerry can recieve communion or not, based on his stand on abortion.

Until then, guys, be supportive, be commited, don't forget your financial obligations, and volunteer in your kids' classroom...

and take care, PK.

Vice President Dick Cheney to perform the duties
Of Defense Secretary as Rumsfeld goes on sabbatical.
Cheney is comfortable doing three jobs noting that
His gardener also works three jobs

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