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April 15, 2004
Hour three-- thursday
James Wolcott- Vanity Fair
Robert MCchesney-- The Problem with the media
Ron Suskind's site-- see bush administration documents
Posted by majority at April 15, 2004 10:01 PM
Comments
ot: Amy Sedaris will be on Letterman tonight!!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:02 PM
Someone tell me who Suskind was talking about when he talked about actors v. studiers?
Posted by: Howard Beale at April 15, 2004 10:03 PM
I was gonna be number one...
but I'm afraid of virgins!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:03 PM
janeane and sam
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:03 PM
I just went here, signed the petition, and wrote my congressional reps.
http://www.stoppoliceware.org/
This is Orwellian, it might as well come with Bush's eyes staring at you for desktop wallpaper.
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 15, 2004 10:04 PM
The endangered right wing?
only 300 remaining?
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:04 PM
Hey Janeanne! I'm from Jersey. Are you from Jersey? What exit?
Posted by: dan at April 15, 2004 10:04 PM
Does anybody know if janeane still does stand up? or is this a stupid question
i am coming to new york from australia in june/july and would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see her if she is still doing that kind of thing.
so if anybody knows anything i hope you get back to me!
send me an email if you know anything for sure.
love you guys.
Thanks
Posted by: emily at April 15, 2004 10:04 PM
Dear Janeane and Sam,
You guys rock ! I'm in Orlando, a prime right wing haven, and I cannot get you on AM radio. Keep speaking the truth !
Steve
Posted by: steve at April 15, 2004 10:04 PM
I'm from 109.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
word to UF, the gulf of mexico and white whales
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
Howard,
The actors are the Bush administration and the neo-cons. The studiers are everyone else.
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
HEY JANEANE AND SAM
Please don't forget about DC today, on tax day. We pay taxes, serve on juries, yet have no vote in Congress.
www.DCVote.org
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
Voting rights for DC now!
Posted by: SocialistDemInDC at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
No... whales.... Right WHALES
Bush just sent a cruise missle after them.
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
White House Shelved 44 Trillion Deficit Report?
By Peronet Despeignes of the Financial Times
May 30, 2003, 10:21
Thursday 29 May 2003
Study commissioned by O’Neill sees $44 trillion in red ink
http://www.chewinthefat.com/artman/publish/article_271.shtml
Posted by: John Mitchell at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
amy sedaris! she's working on a film version of SWC. i can't wait!
kevr0n
Posted by: kevr0n at April 15, 2004 10:05 PM
trolls don't come on the blog when the facts are rolling by
the truth makes them scared
i understand
it is frightening
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:06 PM
I was joking.
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:06 PM
AVOID USING DIEBOLD! Get an absentee ballot. Insist on a paper record of your vote.
Posted by: Vioxel (vee-OAK-sel) at April 15, 2004 10:06 PM
Foo Fighters ROCK!!!
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:06 PM
IRC chatting via the web - so easy even you can do it!
Go to http://www.undernet.org and click on "webchat." Fill in some basic information - name, email address,
and the nickname you'd like to use. Type "#MajorityReport" in the box when prompted for your favorite
channel. Ignore the "#newbie" channel, we're in #MajorityReport.
The shortcut is via Java:
http://www.undernet.org/webchat.php
Posted by: ginny at April 15, 2004 10:06 PM
And the Firesign chat continues...
http://www.firesigntheatre.com/chat
Posted by: Brian Westley at April 15, 2004 10:07 PM
...Or should I call it"wishful thinking"
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:07 PM
quick question: do you two delete obscenity and/or profanity on here a la the FCC ?
Posted by: steve at April 15, 2004 10:07 PM
newsweek
72% of 26,000+ respondents say they disapprove of bush
too late for the neo cons to nominate a diff candidate
aw, too bad
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
Our airwaves have been whored out.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
~~~~ And the Firesign chat continues... ~~~~
Their server's no fun... it fell right over!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
also why do girls like guys who are jerks?
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
n69n, Amy was on Dave last night. Sorry. She's funny as hell. And ebulliant. She'd be great here. Her bro bores me, though, although I know he's popular. No flames, please. I'll listen to him if he's a guest.
Posted by: goody at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
Here's one I wrote ...
Shuck and Jive
(Sung to the tune of 9 to 5)
Tumble outta bed
And stumble to the west wing
Put on my crown and pretend that I am king
Thanks Daddy for giving me this cool job
I don't do much work
Since I have his cronies
It doesn't really matter
That they're liars and phonies
Because all I do all day is play shuck and jive
Chorus:
Playing shuck and jive
I can't make a good decision
So I hide this fact
With deception
And aggression
I've got all I need
With the right-wing hate-filled zealots
They're enough to make me
A crazy nasty despot
Shuck and jive, for Fox News and O'Reily
They buy all my shit
Then go forth and spread it wildly
Plus there's Rush and Sean
My shills in faint disguise
Thank God those guys are shameless with their lies
When faced with facts
I never falter
I say I'm a war king
And you're a liar
Then I smear your name and claim I work for God
I praise the Lord
While I wage a war
And take your money
So my friends will have more
It's a beautful thing
When I can claim I'm working for God
2nd chorus:
Playing Shuck and jive
I can't make a good decision
So I hide this fact
With deception
And aggression
I've got all I need
WIth the right-wing hate-filled zealots
They're enough to make me
A crazy nasty despot
Shuck and jive, yeah I got you where I want you
You can't say I'm wrong
Or you're dubbed unpatriotic
It's a game of oil
No matter what I call it
And you'll spend your life
Putting money in my wallet
3rd chorus:
Playing Shuck and jive
I can't make a good decision
So I hide this fact
With deception
And aggression
I've got all I need
WIth the right-wing hate-filled zealots
They're enough to make me
A crazy nasty despot
Posted by: Lisa in Ohio at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
And the Firesign chat continues...
http://www.firesigntheatre.com/chat
Posted by: Brian Westley at April 15, 2004 10:08 PM
Taxation without representation.
What about resident aliens (how many-10 million?)
We live here work pay taxes but can't vote.
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:09 PM
'cuz were good lookin'!
kevr0n
Posted by: kevr0n at April 15, 2004 10:09 PM
Vulgarity = Bush Lies
Posted by: Darrin at April 15, 2004 10:09 PM
If this happens, the FCC will have a much easier time controling us
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 15, 2004 10:09 PM
How how about the mixed messages? They rail for decency. Yet FOx will attack/call for decency, then out the worst crap on tv!!!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:10 PM
How how about the mixed messages? They rail for decency. Yet FOW ill attack/call for decency, then out the worst crap on tv!!!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:10 PM
~~ also why do girls like guys who are jerks? ~~
And further, are there any girls here... who like jerks?
That's the important question!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:10 PM
the president being a macho idiot is waaaay more vulgar than nipples & swear words
Posted by: Thomas McCauley at April 15, 2004 10:10 PM
the president being a macho idiot is waaaay more vulgar than nipples & swear words
Posted by: Thomas McCauley at April 15, 2004 10:10 PM
Sam: Check with your blog techie if all the threads (you're up to 51 now, yikes!) are on the same drive and/or server. I would probably guess you've only got one server. Suggestion: flush out the first, say, 30 or so threads (blog files) to backup or off-load them to another drive. I know you can't do it now (shows on) but tonite or tommorrow. The refresh, reload and thread definition are taking up too many resources; notwithstanding you now have a gazillion bloggers! Ain't success a bitch.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
The solution to this problem is actually quite simple. Stop watching television!! It can be done.
Posted by: Matthew Strawn at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
MATT DRUDGE = OSCAR THE GARBAGE DWELLING SLOUCH!
kevr0n
Posted by: kevr0n at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
"If anyone said we were in the radio business, it wouldn't be someone from our company. We're not in the business of providing news and information. We're not in the business of providing well-researched music. We're simply in the business of selling our customers products."
--Lowry Mays, Clear Channel founder
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
MATT DRUDGE = OSCAR THE GARBAGE DWELLING SLOUCH!
kevr0n
Posted by: kevr0n at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
I nominate the Subservient Chicken ( http://www.subservientchicken.com/ ) for President! He is doing the will of the people!
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:11 PM
And who, pray tell, is the Marquis of Queensbury?
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:12 PM
Yeah, but Bob...European tv has all kinds of sex and erotic material on public and private funded channels...in prime time!
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:12 PM
Queensberry rules reference = a cookie!
Posted by: mr. me at April 15, 2004 10:12 PM
grease: i'm not a misogynist, i just like it when girls are massagin this.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:13 PM
Then organize, PinkoPat. I'd be curious about your numbers as well.
Our budget here in Washington, DC is controlled completely by Congress. Imagine if every state's budget was dependent on Congress.
Scary.
Why are the Dems so afraid of talking about this?
WE ARE DISENFRANCHISED
Posted by: SocialistDemInDC at April 15, 2004 10:13 PM
Listen early morning radio on weekends. Amazing what they put on air now calling it public interest programming. So different then before 1990, when they served the public.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:13 PM
U.S. Open to Plan That Supplants Council in Iraq
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/16/politics/16DIPL.html?hp
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:13 PM
Eww. I don't wanna think about Ronald Reagan and bedrooms.
Eww. Ptoooah. >:(
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
"I nominate the Subservient Chicken ( http://www.subservientchicken.com/ ) for President! He is doing the will of the people!"
he works for burger king, check it out
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
I've pretty much missed every show since Air America started I still try and watch a couple of things but I'm hooked on AAR
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
Jeanine and all you guys at Air America,
Did you know that here in Houston, the conservative radio station is still pursuing their junk from yesterday (even though all it would take calling up a simple website so that they didn't look so out of it)? I was listening to KSEV (because I really have no choice, c'mon guys come over here please I beg you) and the host said "Let's listen to what's going on over at Air America (cut to Spanish music). Ah, Air America has never sounded better."
Personally, I find this crazy. And they tout their 'Christian' values. I thought Jesus taught us to be kind to our neighbors. Gloating at someone's misfortune is absolutely not a godly trait.
Posted by: Dawn at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
Robert McChesney -- love it!
Bob -- my kid's your paper carrier. Seriously! Kid with glasses, quiet and kinda nerdy? That's him.
I know the local rag is unbearably conservative, but won't you reconsider letting your subscription go?
Thanks for Media Matters -- it's the only thing worth listening to on WILL, IMO.
Posted by: Lisa B-K at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
That chicken pointed it's finger at me when i asked it to touch himself. The nerve! Subservient, my ass...
Posted by: goody at April 15, 2004 10:14 PM
Robert McChesney is one of the STARS of
Orwell Rolls in His Grave.
This documentary deals with the so-called liberal media.
Screening at the Philadelphia Film Festival
on Monday night at 7:15.
Also accepted at the
Seattle International Film Festival
in Late May.
www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:15 PM
the word you are searching for, Sam, is Cabal.
Posted by: John Mitchell at April 15, 2004 10:15 PM
while censorship is a red herring to cover corporate empire it seems to also provide a nice umbrella for criminalizing dissent
Posted by: ME at April 15, 2004 10:15 PM
Exacty right that the "vulgarity" in media is about lame entertainment seeking the lowest common denominator, and a "red herring". I wrote a little about it on my blog if I may be soo bold to say "take a look".
Posted by: musicalhair at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
Then maybe politicians should work for Burger King, too, 'cause the chicken is totally subservient to the people!
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
i never see michael powell saying "how am i going to get rid of all this crackdown."
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
Tits are bad but bombing children is just fine.....you took the words right out of my fingers.....right on J
Posted by: Darrin at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
focus, jojo
don't let yourself be distracted from the cause
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
Stern always been Stern. Nothing new. It is his attack on right which gets them mad. Also, an excuse to pander to chrisian right TOO > It is an easy issue to right wing to get Stern.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
I wonder by the end of the day, media will ultimately evolve into mere political group and interest mouth piece.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
when did they develop their policies?
before the meeting
in secret
not hubris
cabal
Posted by: John Mitchell at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
I agree that the corporate media are scumbags, but aren't there small things people can do like patronizes non-corporate media outlets as well?
If more liberals who hate the corporate media would refuse to patronize corporate media and patronized non-corporate outlets like The Christian Science Monitor, The Nation, Mother Jones, Washington Monthly and American Prospect and divorce themselves from CNN, Fox and MSNBC wouldn't that as much good (if not be better) than complaining about corporate media?
Posted by: Robert at April 15, 2004 10:16 PM
focus, jojo
don't let yourself be distracted from the cause
that's what bush wants
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:17 PM
I hate debackle's --and gang bangs!
Posted by: Matthew Strawn at April 15, 2004 10:17 PM
One REAL breast and people lose their minds.
One ACTUAL breast on television, instead of a plastic-surgeried air-brushed breast, and people FREAK OUT.
Can ya say "issues"?
I think ya can.
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:17 PM
FCC crap > A typical, easy cultural political chip FOR ROVE to play. C'mon!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:17 PM
Fishgrease you said:
~~ also why do girls like guys who are jerks? ~~
And further, are there any girls here... who like jerks?
That's the important question!
Well, I for one don't like jerks... that's why I didn't marry one. ;)
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
talk about focus: in honor of air america, i now make my girlfriend call me "papantonio"
oh, who am i kidding -- i don't get girls.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
Jeanine is really fired up tonite... Yay... I love it.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
they DID, they PILED on Dean the MINUTE he talked about re-regulation!
i mean it was withn DAYS!!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY) spoke out against the FCC "Decency" bill.
For his words, go here:
http://www.dirac.org/p/politics/?filter=quotes
Posted by: Eric J of moveleft.com at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
That's just what the conservatives tried to do down here in Houston. They didn't like something our "liberal rag" said so they gathered everyone together to boycott the paper. They're still insisting that people call and cancel their subscriptions over a comment last Sunday that no one noticed until Tuesday when KSEV radio started harping on it.
Posted by: Dawn at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
I don't know if Janeane is going to read this, but I was just wondering if the phrase D'Marge Dance Studio means anything to her?
Posted by: Bessie at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
all this broohaha about indecency is because we have the messiah(or so he thinks) as our attorney general!! he is so prude that he spent $8,000 (taxpayers' money, of course) on a robe to cover up the breast on the statue of justice.
he's crazy!
Posted by: ruth at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
On the boob flap...upon hearing about it, I thought there would be more liberals up in arms about the symbolism of a wealthy white male pop star ripping the clothing off of a black woman. I did see that discussed in a few editorials for the first few days, but the media settled on the liberal-media-decaying-our-values very quickly.
And how opposing corporate media's symbolic portrayal of racist sexual assault can be considered right-wing is a complete mystery to me. The end of conservative business and social policy is exactly that sort of thing.
Posted by: tps12 at April 15, 2004 10:19 PM
Go, Janeane, go!
Posted by: dave at April 15, 2004 10:19 PM
Don't support ANY Clear Channel concerts! F*** Madonna & her tour!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:19 PM
'nother girl that dislikes jerks!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:19 PM
Capping profits???!!!! Yea, monkeys flying out my ass is next....get real......
Posted by: Darrin at April 15, 2004 10:19 PM
I think it was "Dutch Masters" who posted this earlier today:
America: Think Outside the Fox!
Two words:
BUMMMPER STICKER!!! :)
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
Cap profits in all industries. Too much money is going to too few.
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
The media's treatment of Dean is indecent?
How about the total media blackout of Kerry for a full six months before the primaries began??!! They said he was finished months before voting began. Dean screamed. Kerry came back from the dead. I think Kerry overcame media adversity and Dean did just something stupid.
Tell Jeanene to get over it. Her guy lost. So did 8 others. Kerry had by far the worst media treatment of all and he went on to win so take that!
Posted by: Bling Bling at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
So how do we get these things taken care of? Will Kerry do it? In, my opinion there is no politician currently in office (excepting maybe Teddy Kennedy) whith the cajones to put themselves on the line to deal with the media moguls.
Posted by: Matthew Strawn at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
Fishgrease you said:
~~ also why do girls like guys who are jerks? ~~
And further, are there any girls here... who like jerks?
That's the important question!
Well, I for one don't like jerks... that's why I didn't marry one. ;)
Posted by Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:18 PM
One non-jerk looking for a liberal girlfriend now :-)
Posted by: steve at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
Problem is, it wasn't just the right who pounded Dean. Everybody did it (give or take, of course.) And that scream is still a #1 joke. Shamefull!
Posted by: goody at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
Copps and Adelstein are in the epilogue of
Orwell Rolls in His Grave.
Really. They are Great
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
.........yay.......take back the country!....
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:20 PM
Why do most of the men who call in to the Majority Report sound effeminate? Sound off like ya got a set, sons!
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:21 PM
I WANT good journalism!
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:21 PM
It is governments attempt to make sure that the rich control the media.
Posted by: Emelius Browne at April 15, 2004 10:21 PM
Here's a pic with Tom Tomorrow at last night's show with Janeane and Sam.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2004_04_11.html#001458
Posted by: michael at April 15, 2004 10:21 PM
"We don't want to censor anyone’s voice here- even if it's impressively unintelligent."
** reports *** ARR
And he lashed out at a tongue-in-cheek Air America "press release" in which the network was going to resolve the matter, vigilante-style, by putting a crowbar to Liu's head.
"It's more than sophomoric," said Heinemeyer. "It's disgusting and frightening."
** reports ** Yahoo News
Posted by: Ouch! at April 15, 2004 10:22 PM
Air America Dating: it's what's next.
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:22 PM
Ashcroft said he believes liberties should be sacrificed for Freedom. Capitalism is freedom. Our liberties are expendable.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:22 PM
Kind of ironic - Shrub's defense is that it takes a catastrophe to change US bureaucracy....and HE may be the catastrophe which changes the US media.
BQ
Posted by: RagingBQ at April 15, 2004 10:22 PM
The media is short attention-span theater. People just sit down turn on the TV and turn off their minds. That is why crap like Fox works. Blond hair and patriotic music, the news is just a filler.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:23 PM
The scream is like the N-word - when you take it back, you remove its power.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:23 PM
I wonder how much the reason why everyone is fired up tonight is just a level of frustration at the administration and our government is starting to get to a fever pitch. More of the sheeple aren't happy with shrub, and those of us who have been in a state of outrage since this idiot was selected, are getting manic the more we hear.
My father is a judge in the Military and knows Jamie of the 9-11 commission. He's is outraged that she is being scapegoated.
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:23 PM
amy sedaris was on letterman last night (wednesday)
Posted by: terri at April 15, 2004 10:23 PM
Janeane is so right about Dean. I was in Iowa for Dean and I couldn't believe the way the Media distorted everything. The lies, the slander against him, it was so disgusting. The media absolutely destroyed his candidacy and it started right after he said media should be reregulated and de-monopolized.
Posted by: maria la place at April 15, 2004 10:23 PM
Question:
-Will TV reporting ultimately evolve into entertainment talk show and opinion show?
-Any opinion on the effect of internet to TV? (I read somewhere how TV lost a lot of audiance in prime time compared long time ago)
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
Let's say there at least 30% of Americans that are extremely annoyed with Television news. If those 30% or even a large number simply cancelled their cable these companies would be in very serious trouble. Think about it.
Posted by: PW at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
how the hell is THE PASSION not indecent for television? actually, the bible has some explicit passages in it, too. maybe those should be redacted in the interest of children's morality.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
There is a "progressive" dating service I saw somewhere. "Be with one who thinks like you."
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
Ouch!, has yahoo never heard of SATIRE????
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
Cure bumper music SO 1985.
Your against censorship but don't want the "Passion" shown uncut on TV?
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
The thing is if you start boycotting clear channel and other huge companies that sway to the right then we'll be no better than the Southern Baptists boycotting Disney. I mean there's much more to be done than not listening to top 40 radio.I know they're bad but there's lots of things worse than a radio channel.
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:24 PM
HOT TIP:
Sam, J-falo, you really should do an interview with the Freeway Blogger (www.freewayblogger.com)
Posted by: renato at April 15, 2004 10:25 PM
Hey,
Great show tonight!
Anybody going to ever talk about GW's weird fuckin' tie.
I still have a headache from it. The tinfoil cap is HELPING.
Posted by: KEV at April 15, 2004 10:25 PM
i'm sorry i got everyones hopes up about Amy Sedaris!
& i'm sorry i missed her!
Janeane, I hope you can make a cameo in the STRANGERS WITH CANDY movie!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:25 PM
that part about when janeane said the news with context and nuance is really interesting was . . . uh, really cool. i don't know about y'all, but that sums up a lot of air america radio, yes?
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:25 PM
satire good! Ridicule too!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:25 PM
I am as big an AAR fan as there is. it's like I've found a new religion and I have to proselytize to everyone. But I saw that editorial about Liu and I have to say -- it was a bad idea. It came across as physically threatening. More food for freepers.
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:26 PM
-TO tie inot suskind interview: Will all media ultimately be coopeted everytime by whoever in the office or ruling power?
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:26 PM
true! freewayblogger owns. i keep promising myself i'm going to do that soon. likely banner:
you can bomb the world to pieces, but you can't bomb it into peace
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:26 PM
>>> BuckFush
Tell the gang about Clear Channel & XM. I just stepped out to the deck for a smoke and I can't see my keyboard. I having a cigarette now!! Tee-HEE !
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 15, 2004 10:26 PM
~~~ how the hell is THE PASSION not indecent for television? ~~~
Because the FCC is hung up on sex! Now if Jesus got wood at any time during the movie...
sorry about that...
sorry!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:26 PM
It was nice to hear mention of the Canadian slaughter of seal pups on the the top of the hour news. For those who aren't aware of what is currently happening, the Canadian government has announced plans to expand the seal hunt and permit the deliberate beating deaths of nearly one million seals over the next three years. Specifically, the Canadian government announced its intention to allow its next three consecutive spring hunts to result in the killing of 975,000 seals between the ages of 12 days and 12 weeks old - the largest kill quota in 30 years. The look of disbelief and anguish in the eyes of the mother seals as they watch the killing of their young while bobbing in the waters offshore will put to rest the lie that animals are not capable of experiencing pain, heart break and love. A lie that has served as a salve for the human conscience for too long. If you missed the disturbing footage of this morbid and extremely cruel slaughter (aired on the BBC) you can view the video at http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=562 (be forewarned that the video is sickening)
Would it be possible to book a guest on the show to discuss this issue? We need to shine the spotlight of public opinion upon this atrocity.
Thank you for taking the time to read this but please don't leave it at that. Consider doing something, get involved damn it! Sign IFAW's "Million Signature Petition" on the above mentioned web site and email your Senator asking him/her to support the Senate Resolution protesting the slaughter. Most importantly stop putting money in the pockets of the despicable creeps who are responsible for the killing of innocent pups by NEVER buying fur!
I.M.Shiloh
Posted by: Isaiah Micah Shiloh at April 15, 2004 10:27 PM
REPOST
IMPORTANT ...Download and save This webpage ...before the White house deletes it ...i havent had chance to read this yet but it has to do with Tenet being in Texas in August when he said he wasnt...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010825-2.html
SECOND POST
A caller into the Randi Rhodes show pointed this out....in it Bush talks about showing Tenet around his range on August 25/01
Tenet testified he. had not talked with Bush in August ...but then again, Tenet submitted a correction that he did talk twice with Bush in August (but he says he was away..) ... so I'm not exactly sure if this is a lie
Does anyone know where i can fine ....the corrections to his testimony that Tenet submitted??
I'll refrain from calling Tenet and Bush a liar until I see those correction
Posted by: FLS at April 15, 2004 10:27 PM
Why is it that only right-winger's get fired up enough to take action that makes thing's happen? Why can't liberal's rally together and remove the weed that's rooted itself in the whitehouse?
Posted by: Matthew Strawn at April 15, 2004 10:27 PM
news has already gone into the TV show market I mean 20/20, 48hrs,Dateline,not to mention the shows on the cable networks news is taking over.
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:27 PM
Please, please, play that "imbedded" ad again. I'm trying to do a controlled burn of my hair!
Posted by: Plowman at April 15, 2004 10:27 PM
Okay, so aren't most liberals anti-Israel, anti-zionist, pro-Palestinian? But here we have pro-semites? I realize Janeane has been friends with Ben Stiller for years, but what does she think about Israel. If she's anti-zionist and pro-Palestinian, how can she call herself pro-semite? (Not that she uses that term...) Just wondering, 'cause it just seems to me that most liberals are anti-Israel. Israel just can't seem to win. Give the Palestians land! Okay, we'll build a fence to dilineate the border and secure our side. No, tear down the security fence! If the fence is up, they can't "take" more land from the Palestinians without going through the hassle of tearing down and rebuilding their own fence.
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:28 PM
I won't object to it, but I certainly wouldn't watch it David, it's in really poor taste.
also:
Question:
-Will TV reporting ultimately evolve into entertainment talk show and opinion show?
It already is, you can't escape it. Anytime they interview a pundit, it's an opinion show.
-Any opinion on the effect of internet to TV? (I read somewhere how TV lost a lot of audiance in prime time compared long time ago)
WEll, I think we can see this right now. I don't trust anything on TV, except maybe FSTV.
What am I doing? listening 24/7 practically to AAR on the internet to get real news.
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:28 PM
THE FREE PRESS WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE THE 4TH BRANCH OF GOV'T
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:28 PM
Hey anybody---
There a quote for Rush today that reads--
"If Clinton only met with Tenet twice, then it's easily ascertainable that he met with Lewinsky more than the CIA director. Remember, 'It's his private life, doesn't have anything to do with the way he does his job'? Can we revise that, now?"
I know this is bullshit... two times, my ass... but is Rush just pulling this out of his ass, or is there somewhere he is pulling this from?
Posted by: Kendog at April 15, 2004 10:29 PM
-- No Wonder people get their news from internet. hah...
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:29 PM
now everyone wants to be a Nedra Pickler!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:29 PM
Here's a pic with Tom Tomorrow at last night's show with Janeane and Sam.
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2004_04_11.html#001458
Janeane has a great fuscia top and a silly hat.
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:29 PM
Talking about the entertainment spin on the mainstream media. The mass media killed Dean's campaign by playing the "Scream" speech 693 times. It was sad the way they turned his campaign into a joke. Whatever happened to just reporting the facts without any spin or political slant? Dean's campaign turned from the issues to how "Angry" he was. It is pathetic how the media can take a 30 second "gaffe" and define a candidate by this standard. The media would like to think they can have an influence on how people think. And sadly after watching the Democratic Primary, I am convinced the media has a heavy hand in determing the outcome of an election. It's pathetic when soundbytes and statements taken out of context have this type of effect on our democracy.
Posted by: Leftistindependent at April 15, 2004 10:29 PM
Y'shua ("Jesus") probably got wood for Miryam haMigdalit ("Mary Magdalene").
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:30 PM
Janeane,
Wow. This show is bending my mind. Thank you for the intellectual content (not pejorative). Is it possible that I am hearing this in America? Keep this going. Paul "Janeane" Revere!
Posted by: vj mpls at April 15, 2004 10:30 PM
America needs its own version of the BBC publicly funded and not beholding to anyone or the almighty $$$$
Posted by: David B at April 15, 2004 10:30 PM
What really brought media consolidation home to me was a story about remote Clear Channel installations. At night there's nobody working there. The content is piped in.
So if the only radio station in your rural Wyoming county is a Clear Channel station and a forest fire starts nearby in the middle of the night, how soon do you think it's going to take for the remote control Clear Channel station to cover it? When it hits national news.
We _need_ local radio.
Radio should totally be a regulated business...
Posted by: KJ at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
Fox spends the least? Fox news stories are made by spinning a wheel. Issues listed on the wheel are Tax Cut, Clinton Did it, What would Jesus Do, Just Yell, or Dont you love this country?
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
tv has lost me to air america
seriously
used to have tv on all the time
not anymore
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
That'd be PBS.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
Where are the ethics? Ethics!!! Not ffear of loss or punnishment!! Ethics!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
why doesnt air america go on ohio, and pittsburgh radios? youd have tons of listeners...alot of people in these parts listen online...but its such a pain b/c you have to stay by the computer the whole time to listen!
Posted by: 76238742 at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
--- ASK ABOUT the effect of internet to news gathering ---
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
666 -- In English, if we number the letters using the same convention as in the Greek and Hebrew, 600 is an X, 60 is an O and 6 is an F. Left to right, that spells FOX.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:31 PM
~~~~ Janeane has a great fuscia top and a silly hat. ~~~~
Great! I added it to my cache of Janeane pics I use for.... um.... studying and stuff.
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
Kendog - Its true what Rush said and its true Clinton met with Tenent twice.
Thats why Rush has 20,000,000 listeners.
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
J & S: You guys have to pick your fights: there is NO chance of limiting profits in journalism. Most are fuckin' whores and they AREN'T going to change for anyone until we MAKE them! They're slaves and whores. GET SOME BALLS!
Posted by: Darrin at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
Dave the one thing I can say in your support is that at least you explain what you are and try intelligent discource, unlike many of the other trolls...
And who knows, as Randi says, maybe you'll be listening one day and become a "real man".
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
pbs has pledge breaks but at least they are beholden to the viewers
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
Ethics! Same as society & government! Ethics!!! C'mon! Geez!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:32 PM
Kendog - Its true what Rush said and its true Clinton met with Tenent twice.
Thats why Rush has 20,000,000 listeners.
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:33 PM
I don't mind staying by the computer to listen, its that long spool of cable to stay connected in the car.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:33 PM
Ashley Banfield was demoted after she spoke out against the war at a college speech in the midwest.
And she her contract was not renewed.
She was just on pundit jeopardy last week and was not allowed to mention she was an employee of NBC.
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:33 PM
God bless Janeane for telling the truth. God is on your side, Janeane.
Posted by: Howard Beale at April 15, 2004 10:34 PM
geraldo showed everyone where our troops were, put them in danger
yeah we know he is an idiot
never found al capone's vault
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:34 PM
Oh so Rush like lie: Rush does not have 20,000,00 man!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:34 PM
Anonymous haiku blogger about TV: You're absolutely right. I used to think those people with "Kill Your Television" bumperstickers were so many self-righteous bastards, but TV does contain about 98% distraction, so I'm beginning to think they're on to something.
Posted by: Embedded at April 15, 2004 10:34 PM
the corporate model of u.s. government
Cheney is the CEO
Bush is the Spokesman
The Media is the Department of Public Relations
The Resources of the World, including international means of production is The Market
The electorate is irrelevant
you NEVER see The Board of Directors
Posted by: John mitchell at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
I know my computer room is now my kitchen,living room.I have to eat my supper at the coputer.Tonight however I worked late so I got home around 9.
Posted by: michael at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
Shia leader draws 'red line' round Najaf as US troops mass outside
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1193088,00.html
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
Ashley rocks,
She was an internet reporter and thrown into Iraq. She started doing good work and was canned.
Mainstream media will never get it. No whore is pretty to the other whores in the whorehouse.
Posted by: KEV at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
Geraldo Rivera's father-in-law used to be Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
Posted by: Brian Westley at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
johnny mitchell never lies
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
god is trying to save us from bush
but we have to help
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
News in the US is a joke except for Amy Goodman's Democracy Now.
Robert Fisk is a great source (works for UK's Independent newspaper)
Air America Radio is the best thing to happen to America since FDR.
Air America Radio is democracy in action.
Posted by: Matt at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
ummm... to 76238742
You asked why they can't be in Ohio yet... well, they are working on it. They have to either buy or RENT space on radio transmitters. It takes a LOT of time. Be glad they are on the internet
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
"20,000,000 listeners" ?
is that code for "pills"?
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:35 PM
Ashley Banfield made a speech at a college about how the media was acting shamefully in respect to this war, and she was axed in no time flat. But not COMPLETELY axed, just demoted from star of the network to fluff stories. Once her contract runs out, she'll be let go altogether, but by then she'll have been largely forgotten by the public.
So they didn't just take her job away, they're taking her reputation away.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:36 PM
mcchesney rules.
he went on tour with pearl jam a year ago
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:36 PM
wooooooh
I right clicked and hit View Source instead of Refresh.
I saw God, man!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:36 PM
you mean, the matrix
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
Janeane rox my sox
sam...talk faster when you are announcing stuff before the breaks...or let Janeane do it.
;-)
Posted by: 08756463252 at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
You saw Karl Rove?
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
"the corporate model of u.s. government"
bush told us he would run gov't like a corp
we we warned
i'm not gonna say i told ya so
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
HOw likely is that though? Politicians not under the thumb of big money? HA!!
Posted by: Matthew Strawn at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
- Hermann Goering, Luftwaffe Commander, Nuremberg Trials 1946
- from "Nuremberg Diary" by G M Gilbert (Signet, New York, 1947)
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:37 PM
Dean/Hilary in 2008.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
thank god gore created the internet
jk
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
~~~ Geraldo Rivera's father-in-law used to be Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. ~~~
So it goes.
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
Rush has 1200 stations across the country.
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
Mideast quartet backs Gaza withdrawal as world rages over US policy U-turn
Thu Apr 15, 2:22 PM ET
Add Mideast - AFP to My Yahoo!
PARIS (AFP) - Israel's plans for unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip ( news -web sites ) met with a cautious welcome from sponsors of the Middle East peace process, but Washington's surprise policy shift drew Arab outrage and sparked fears worldwide of further violence.
Posted by: FLS at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
The Internet is important for getting the news out but not everyone has a computer and the Internet. Think of how many people have a computers vs how many have radios.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
gregory, 43rd reich, babee
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:38 PM
I understand the technology is there to use existing powerlines to carry the internet..
Why aren't we using it yet?
Posted by: want to know. at April 15, 2004 10:39 PM
Rush doesn't have 1200 stations. Clearchannel does. Rush just rides that juggernaut without ever actually striving for excellence, and pays his corporate masters by defending their puppet.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:39 PM
"Matrix" also means "mother" or "womb".
Posted by: Neo at April 15, 2004 10:39 PM
Okay, Vanity fair still wee bit tainted from reporting Iraqi WMD with that fake witness.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:39 PM
so does "matter"
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:39 PM
David- That's right, I forgot you were here... I should have said-
"Hey anybody who doesn't have their head shoved firmly up their ass---"
Posted by: Kendog at April 15, 2004 10:40 PM
JUDITH FUCKING MILLER!!!!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:40 PM
AAR has 6, 5, 4 now back to 5 stations...
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:40 PM
Supply mission in Fallujah descends into urban warfare
http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4722914.html
Posted by: PinkoPat at April 15, 2004 10:40 PM
We MUST be on the watch for all the ways the corporate power mongers are gonna try to force us into the internet world THEY want.
The internet is too important a tool for us to let it be messed with.
And while we're at it, we need to keep on the FCC to CEASE AND DESIST in their favoring of big media companies.
Grrrrr. >:(
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:40 PM
Why is this a difficult concept? Stop paying these guys in the media, cancel your cable. Don't watch their ads. Don't buy their papers. Stop whining and do something. Is there really that much you would miss on TV? These bozos make money off you.
Posted by: PW at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
Judith Miller is heinous. We should form a 'boycott Judith Miller' movement.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
National Education Association is Terrorists!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
Here is the latest Michael Moore newsletter
tonight 10:30 p.m. a LIBERAL VOICE!! BRAVO
Heads Up
April 14, 2004
Friends,
I have never seen a head so far up a Presidential ass (pardon my Falluja) than the one I saw last night at the "news conference" given by George W. Bush. He's still talking about finding "weapons of mass destruction" -- this time on Saddam's "turkey farm." Turkey indeed. Clearly the White House believes there are enough idiots in the 17 swing states who will buy this. I think they are in for a rude awakening.
I've been holed up for weeks in the editing room finishing my film ("Fahrenheit 911"). That's why you haven't heard from me lately. But after last night's Lyndon Johnson impersonation from the East Room -- essentially promising to send even more troops into the Iraq sinkhole -- I had to write you all a note.
First, can we stop the Orwellian language and start using the proper names for things? Those are not „contractors‰ in Iraq. They are not there to fix a roof or to pour concrete in a driveway. They are MERCENARIES and SOLDIERS OF FORTUNE. They are there for the money, and the money is very good if you live long enough to spend it.
Halliburton is not a "company" doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER, bilking millions from the pockets of average Americans. In past wars they would have been arrested -- or worse.
The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush? You closed down a friggin' weekly newspaper, you great giver of freedom and democracy! Then all hell broke loose. The paper only had 10,000 readers! Why are you smirking?
One year after we wiped the face of the Saddam statue with our American flag before yanking him down, it is now too dangerous for a single media person to go to that square in Baghdad and file a report on the wonderful one-year anniversary celebration. Of course, there is no celebration, and those brave blow-dried "embeds" can't even leave the safety of the fort in downtown Baghdad. They never actually SEE what is taking place across Iraq (most of the pictures we see on TV are shot by Arab media and some Europeans). When you watch a report "from Iraq" what you are getting is the press release handed out by the U.S. occupation force and repeated to you as "news."
I currently have two cameramen/reporters doing work for me in Iraq for my movie (unbeknownst to the Army). They are talking to soldiers and gathering the true sentiment about what is really going on. They Fed Ex the footage back to me each week. That's right, Fed Ex. Who said we haven't brought freedom to Iraq! The funniest story my guys tell me is how when they fly into Baghdad, they don't have to show a passport or go through immigration. Why not? Because they have not traveled from a foreign country -- they're coming from America TO America, a place that is ours, a new American territory called Iraq.
There is a lot of talk amongst Bush's opponents that we should turn this war over to the United Nations. Why should the other countries of this world, countries who tried to talk us out of this folly, now have to clean up our mess? I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle. I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.
Until then, enjoy the "pacification" of Falluja, the "containment" of Sadr City, and the next Tet Offensive ˆ oops, I mean, "terrorist attack by a small group of Baathist loyalists" (Hahaha! I love writing those words, Baathist loyalists, it makes me sound so Peter Jennings!) -- followed by a "news conference" where we will be told that we must "stay the course" because we are "winning the hearts and minds of the people."
I'll write again soon. Don't despair. Remember, the American people are not that stupid. Sure, we can be frightened into a war, but we always come around sooner or later -- and the one way this is NOT like Vietnam is that it hasn't taken the public four long years to figure out they were lied to.
Now if Bush would just quit speaking in public and giving me more free material for my movie, I can get back to work and get it done. I've got four weeks left 'til completion.
Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
GO MIKE GO !!!!!
Posted by: Hessn at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
i can't wait until the intranet shows start up -- you know, when we just sit back and broadcast psychically. that don't have that in my hood yet.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
actually I remember reading somrthing about computers are in just about every home in USA.I know not everyone has a radio but to be honest I can't get AM radio worth a shit in my house.
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
This administration does not care about Isreal. The religious right pushes them to support Isreal.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
Hey, Janeane? For future reference, the word is "ignoble," not "unnboble."
Just trying to help! :-D
Posted by: NightTrain at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
~~~ I understand the technology is there to use existing powerlines to carry the internet.. ~~~
It can normally only used within a dwelling. over 100' or so and the sideband gets overwritten. The guest is right. Wireless is the way to go for maximum availability, economy and penetration.
...I'm talking like a damned Republican!
HELP!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
hey!
mcchesney & walcott just mentioned ashleigh banfield on the show. read banfield's rebuke of the media's coverage of the war, in line with what these folks are talking about, that was her speech to Kansas State University, on April 23, on Alternet.org --
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15778
Posted by: fear_monger at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
LOL...
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:41 PM
Rush is a jerk. It baffles me that people listening on a daily basis do not see who and what he is.
I really can't listen longer than a couple of mins before he says something so arrogant and ignorant/misleading that I nearly throw up.
Posted by: disgusted at April 15, 2004 10:42 PM
SO hire Ashley Banfield, ya'll!
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:42 PM
He may have had no problem with overthrowing the Taliban but the northern Alliance is no different.
Women are burning themselves in Afghanistan because they are being repressed under our great "liberation."
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/f-hang.htm
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/immolation2.htm
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:42 PM
I might vote for fatty Michael Moore if he'll squash the jihad against McDonald's fries and chocolate shakes.
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:42 PM
I have often made this comparison in my own mind. Glad to see someone has created the image--S
Posted by: Susan at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
mc chesney: founder of mediareform.net
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
last night my dog gave me a chemistry lesson on the topic of ignoble gases. . .
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
Check it out Jessie "The Body" Ventura may run for prez in 2008. He was actually making some comments at Wrestlemania 20.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2508458
Ventura in 2008!!!
Posted by: Leftistindependent at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
>>This administration does not care about Isreal. The religious right pushes them to support Isreal. <<
Bush Israel policy will create great instability in the long run. It will be VERY expensive to maintain his current strategy.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
Joy,
"It's more than sophomoric," said Heinemeyer. "It's disgusting and frightening."
****
No, I think Yahoo News can go either way; but Heinemeyer can't take a joke - I guess.
Posted by: Ouch! at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
I just had a soldier friend of my son, and like one of my own, come back alive from the war. His brother too. He served a year tour in the 82nd Airborne in the worst part of Baghdad.
I got a front row seat to this whole thing and a real firsthand education about what these boys are going through over there.
They were lead to believe they'd go in MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, then get out.Sound familiar?
If we are going to ask of these willing heroes a job of this magnitude, then it better damn well be for the right reasons.
He told me back in January, that it's going to get worse over there. Well, guess what.
Spent, is not the word for those soldiers who now can't come home.
Someone suggested to rotate them to a much more secure place.
Brilliant
They need relief as humanely and quickly as possible.
The incoming troops would be trained and ready.
With bases all over this world, surely this is doable somehow,and start with Hawaii.
Posted by: lakermom3 at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
NEWS FROM "LIBERATED" AFGHANISTAN
Afghanistan's poor losing homes: UN report
CBC News, April 11, 2004
GENEVA - Thousands of people are being evicted from their homes by warlords, politicians and land speculators, according to a report prepared for the United Nations.
Miloon Kothari, a UN expert on housing rights, says the victims are rarely compensated after they are displaced. Land grabbing goes on throughout Afghanistan, he says, and it's sometimes accompanied by violence.
Kothari says government ministers as well as criminals are engaged in illegal land deals. The situation will get worse if the transitional government doesn't crack down on these transactions, he warns.
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/land-un.htm
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:43 PM
Think of it this way. How much does it cost for a computer and the Internet. Now how much does it cost for a radio? Also, how many people have the Internet in the car? The answer is not to focus on one delivery method. The Internet is only part of the answer.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:44 PM
jews against sharon and zionism are some of my favorite people.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:44 PM
Negroponte, is good. However, my nomination is Wolfowitz. Then pull all the troops. He's a believer right? This was his idea? Right?
Posted by: KEV at April 15, 2004 10:44 PM
Regarding misuses of the words "terrorism" and "terrorist," check out my URL. Haven't updated it in a while, but I'll post any interesting misuses you've come across.
Posted by: radmanthys at April 15, 2004 10:44 PM
Future of media:
We just create our own network. WiFi a/b/g and WiMAX.
screw TV and radio, everything will be fed into the network.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:44 PM
terrific!
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:45 PM
Why hasn't the FCC shown interest in Dr. Rice's inappropriate usage of the phrase "tit-for-tat"?
Posted by: ben at April 15, 2004 10:45 PM
Anyone notice that AAR is up to nine stations now (ten if you include the soon to be returned LA) with another nine to come?
Meteoric rise. These boards are gonna fill real quick.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:45 PM
when it comes to tit-for-tat, i usually choose tit
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:45 PM
Hey what gives, we've got some nature show on PBS instead of Frontline, which is listed in the guide. Oh I forgot, this is John Ashcroft's home town Springfield Mo.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:46 PM
I'm a fan of the show, but I must admit that my expectations for the hosts were shot down in that they would openly criticise a movie that they admitted that they hadn't even seen, and then went on to criticise its producer.
I'm a hardcore atheist, and Mel Gibson is NO personal hero of mine, I'm just stating this as a point of interest. I hope that in putting my time into this, that the hosts, as rational, intelligent people, will maybe come to realize that they may be mistaken.
"The Film is Anti-Semetic" -- no it's not. If Jesus was the original liberal, then the high priests that killed him were the original Bush administration. During Jesus's trial before the priests, some mob-goers are thrown out for demanding to know why this trial is so secretive (it happened in the middle of the night) and partisan. He wasn't getting a fair trial.
Furthermore, during the Jesus cross carrying abuse scenes, many jews watch him suffer and try to help him as best they can in front of the Roman legion, or at least openly blaspheme by worshipping him. Also, I don't want to spoil the ending, but when Jesus dies at the end--all of the high priests eventually realize what they had done and feel regret.
But getting back on track...
The priests lied repeatedly to Pontius Pilate to try to get him to execute Jesus. The reason that the high priests were so afraid of Jesus is because they felt he would destroy their power structure, he preached that the Old Testament and its rules were to be interpretted spiritually, not literally. At the time this was some heavy stuff, crap like "love your neighbor" and "don't judge your fellow man" and "turn the other cheek" so on. All things that make hard line conservatives FREAK OUT.
Now consider that during the day there had been some kind of altercation, and Jesus was placed on the scene--so they accused him of starting an uprising, kind of as revenge for having earlier embarassed them during the would-be stoning of Mary Magdelene. Among other things, the priests told Pilate that Jesus told his followers not to pay taxes to Caesar--something Jesus addresses in earlier sermons ("God doesn't care who you pay taxes to, just be sure you give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's").
In my opinion, saying that the film is anti-Semetic because it portrays the high priests as corrupt is like saying that we Americans collectively and personally directed hellfire missiles into an Iraq mosque, and we are all therefore anti-Muslim.
"The Film Glorifies Pontius Pilate" -- hardly! His mistress kept talking about how holy Jesus was, but all Pilate cared about was how Caesar would come down on him. All of the rest of those buddy-buddy talks he had with him was to gauge the situation, is this someone people will follow or just a crackpot with no credibility? He debated this much with his mistress, who really didn't seem to get it (a point which most people miss).
If you remember Sunday School, or maybe you don't since Catholics don't really teach much of the bible, earlier that day an uprising had been put down and the high priests associated Jesus with it. Pilate was pressured by the priests to execute him, but he feared that by executing Jesus, that his followers would revolt--all he saw of Jesus was that he scared the crap out of this fledgling Jerusalem Bush Administration, so he wanted to make it clear, in case his followers were watching, that executing Jesus was not his choice ("Cut me a break guys, all I wanted to do was savagely beat the guy").
All of those scenes of Pilate are not pensive regret as everyone seems to interpret them, they're FEAR! He's a selfish, cowardly, miserable, terrified little man who doesn't know what he's going to do with himself.
I'm not making this up, every single historical account of Pontius Pilate portrays him this way, in this and other matters. In addition to being a brutal dictator, he frequently threatened to kill people and backed down when they called his bluff.
Give them some credit, do you think the film's producers really overlooked every historical record to portray this guy as a gentleman?
So, I say again, if you're going to criticise the film and the people involved with it, maybe you should watch it first. It's bloody and kind of depressing, but other than the feel good mother-savior-son flashbacks and creepy Satanic baby scenes, it's pretty authoritative.
Posted by: Michael B at April 15, 2004 10:46 PM
You guys are so important! I'm sitting her thinking just how much the public is robbed. I knew instinctively that something was wrong with tv news, but I just couldn't articulate my feelings. These feelings my husband and I described as "blue balls", because we always felt so disatisfied, let down, insulted by the news and those freakin pundits. I can't watch tv faux news the same way, and it feels good. Learning the truth has impowered me and inspired me to question all things, to trust in my natural skeptism again.
Please keep telling the truth! I believe that AAR is changing history. It's bigger than we have yet to see.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:46 PM
Hessen >>> Way to go on the Michael Morre post!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Feh, NPR takes sponsorship money from Walmart. Hearing Walmart shilling on NPR makes me ill. Terry Gross and BBC World Service are their saving graces, IMHO.
Posted by: Citizen Daryl at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
What idiot issued the fatwa against McDonald, Wendy, and the Burger King, anyway?
Take away living food and that leaves carbs; otherwise, we die. Now they want to take our carbs, too?
Is Malthusian Law coming to pass?
Why laws to make us live? Are innocent bystanders hit by flying drivers in head-on collisions? Is that why we have to wear seat-belts? Does Janeane get fatter when *I* eat fries?
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
"...read banfield's rebuke of the media's coverage of the war..."
That was the beginning of the end for Banfield. I'm surprised these guys didn't point that out.
Posted by: dave at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Wanda, remember the point is to be inclusive. Look at what is happening on the right. They have Radio (Rush/Hannity), TV (Fox News), and Internet (Drudge).
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
YES THANKYOU FOR PLAYING SOME WZ
Posted by: ME at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
I'm being serious, are the people on this blog for or against going into AFGHANISTAN. Is the dirty little secret liberals are not just against going into Iraq.
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Alright, dangit.
Talk about G.E.
Say it with me, people:
General. Electric.
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040330/305171_1.html
Look for the words "MultiCultural Radio Broadcasting" in that link.
Kay? Kay.
Grrrrrr.....
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 10:47 PM
Chris got so angry too
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
JOJO, funny, took me 43 seconds to get it.
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
Is anybody else still a little upset that Al Gore declined to run? Like many people, I believe that the system failed in '00, and that the only way it could be truely redeemed would be for Gore to run again, and win again. I am having a hard time getting excited about Sen. Kerry.
Posted by: joyandkev at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
chris hitchens and ross brockley should interview each other . . . huh?
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
isnt Judith Miller having a sexcual relationship with Ahmed Chalabi?
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
Don't forget Thomas Friedman among the Millers and Hitchens!!
He sold his intellectual honesty too!
Posted by: Mitch in RocklinCA at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
Post above re: Ashley Banfield's speech at Kansas State Univ. is correct. She blasted the war coverage and got shuffled off to the side because of it. Don't know how inherently talented she really is, but that footage of her running from the falling WTC on 9/11, which many of us undoubtely saw live, is still burned in my brain.
Posted by: Plowman at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
Maybe with Christopher Hitchens, it's just the booze talking.
Posted by: dan at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
Radmanthys: You might like to check out the alteration of the definition of 'terrorism' that is present in the PAtriot Act.
It used to be that you needed to be trying to 'change the mind of the people or government by an act of violence against many people' to be a terrorist. The Patriot Act changed that so now you only need to commit an act of violence that puts the safety of one person in question, while you're 'trying to change the mind of the people and/or government.'
That means if you throw a rock through the window of a McDonalds during an anti-WTO protest, you technically fit the new description of a terrorist.
Which means you can be held with charge for an unlimited amount of time, with no lawyer, and no contact with your family. For throwing a rock.
Look it up.
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:49 PM
michael put your radio in the window
the antenna for am is inside the radio
trust me it works
btw still waiting to hear honest dialog from conservative of why they like bush (besides they don't know anything about kerry)
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:49 PM
The only thing Hitchens held firm on is Kissinger. Perhaps, because he wrote his book on Kissinger?
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:49 PM
The mass media are whores. And like whores, some are better, some are worse. I've canceled my NYT and Newsday (LI), and did you know that TV Guide is owned by Media, Corp (AKA: Rupert Murdock, Fox, ad nauseum). I get 98% of what I need from the internet. The only subscriptions I keep are periodicals I want to support: Mother Jones, Utne, et al. Know where your $$ is going!!!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 15, 2004 10:49 PM
BUSH KILLED SUPERFUND!!!!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:49 PM
I mean the man makes Truman Capote look like Carrie Nation
Posted by: dan at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
About Hitchens: the big problem is that he knows what he's 'against', but doesn't care that his position puts him on the side of Cheney, Wolfowitz et al.
It's as if he's never read 'Homage to Catalonia'...
Posted by: nick at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
Jeaneane is too sexy...
Anyway, AAR should have a bumpersticker:
"Think outside the Fox - Air America Radio"
I'd buy it, heck, I'd order a lot and sell them.
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
joy and kev,
Are you excited about Bush?
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
Has anyone mentioned the Howard Stern flipflop (starting to question Bush, then getting slapped down by the FCC)?
Posted by: citizen frolik at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
Read Dean's views in "Winning Back America" by Howard Dean.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:50 PM
Hello! Hitchens wrote a book called Letters to a Young Contrarian
Posted by: B Stack Money at April 15, 2004 10:51 PM
I'm a Republican and I've always said Hitchens was a fraud.
Posted by: David The Conservative at April 15, 2004 10:51 PM
Hmmmm!
Negroponte, is to Central America/Honduras, is to Super Embassy/El Salvador, is to Super Embassy/Iraq. Same ol' spooks to me.
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:51 PM
Gibson's film is anti-semitic because the New Testament is anti-semitic.
Or do you have a surviving copy of the Gospel of the Hebrews and/or the Gospel of the Netzarim?!
The New Testament is the Roman spin. The victors write the history.
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 10:51 PM
this deal with Sharon *IS* a horror!!!!
we are in a slow motion car crash!!!
http://billmon.org/archives/001402.html
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:51 PM
Theres something called politics. The reason Kerry doesn't disagree with Bush is Jewish voters would be outraged and we need them if we want to beat Bush. You want to tell it like it is, vote for Nader.
Posted by: Bling Bling at April 15, 2004 10:52 PM
gore is great, but he let the republicans kill his chances to be prez
i want his voice to be heard
afraid to let them kill again
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:52 PM
I live in the sticks I could put my radio on a phone pole and pick up E.T's home better than any station.
Posted by: Michael at April 15, 2004 10:52 PM
FLIP-FLOPPERS... MONEY $$ HAS A WAY OF DISTORTING MIDDLE-AGED... The MEDIA controls their PAYCHECKS, and their EGOS need to have a MARKETING MOUTHPIECE FORUM... the BOOB-TUBE has turned CONSERVO-CAPTILISO-NEUTRALIA-EXTREMISO... FEAR OF CONFRONTATION !!!
Posted by: Hessn at April 15, 2004 10:52 PM
>>Wanda, remember the point is to be inclusive. Look at what is happening on the right. They have Radio (Rush/Hannity), TV (Fox News), and Internet (Drudge).
The total equipment cost of building a simple network has been coign down considerably.
It is not beyond imagintation that within several years wireless network equipment is near disposable price.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:52 PM
let's say it like it is . . . nader sold out.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:53 PM
~~~ we are in a slow motion car crash!!! ~~~
Props!
Damned fine way of putting it!
Posted by: Fishgrease at April 15, 2004 10:53 PM
"43rd Reich!" Ha! Janeane is brilliant...
Posted by: citizen frolik at April 15, 2004 10:53 PM
Hitchens claims he saw so much slaughter of Kurds & human rights are his biggest reasons. He hates Saddam so so much!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
April...you said:
>joy and kev,
Are you excited about Bush?
Joy isn't on the air anymore so I have to assume you are talking to me? I was born in April too, actually, just had my 42nd birthday...
excited? No, Manic is more of a response, I'm freaking out over this man. but not just him, the whole freaking administration, they scare me to death, our democracy is endangered, shoot, we should put it on EPA's list of most endangered species list.
43rd Reich, Jeaneane, I love that....
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
of course judith miller and chalabi are in bed together
Posted by: geo at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
didn't israel give us all that faulty iraq intelligence?
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
Woodruff is a closet Republican....maybe not even in the closet.
Posted by: Mitch in RocklinCA at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
nader is alright but not for prez
nader cannot, should not be prez
he is an egomaniac
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
Does anyone know when AirAmerica will have archives or previous shows avail..
Posted by: UberVamp at April 15, 2004 10:54 PM
Novak is a 3 piece suited whore of the right wing.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
Novak should be "frog marched" into a federal court.
Posted by: Plowman at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
Please, please please cool it on the "43rd reich" routine... they are bad enough that that level of rhetoric only hurts our case...
pretty please?
Posted by: David Spector at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
She is my hero. Rip Novak a new one, Janeane!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
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Posted by: ampro at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
novak is a three-piece, two-bit, one-note conservative whore.
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
Michael B,
you are right that "The Passion" is not overtly anti-semitic. The problem is that it is covertly anti-semitic. I didn't get this until I heard Matthew Fox discuss it on KPFA-Pacifica.
The reason is in the balance in the way the characters are portrayed. For example, there is one priest in the Sanhedrin who briefly objects and is rushed out. The occurs so fast that many people may miss it. But that priest should have been given a greater role. Who was he?
The bible has a very important person who Joseph of Aramethea (sp?) and is a member of the Sanhedrin. He is a member of Jesus' inner circle and because he knew what Jesus was planning he prepared the crypt for Jesus. He is the one who told Jesus what Judas was planning becasue he was Jesus' mole in the Sanhedrin (if Jesus didn't ask Judas to do it.)
Posted by: Gregory Wonderwheel at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
Is anybody else still a little upset that Al Gore declined to run? Like many people, I believe that the system failed in '00, and that the only way it could be truely redeemed would be for Gore to run again, and win again. I am having a hard time getting excited about Sen. Kerry.
Posted by joyandkev at April 15, 2004 10:48 PM
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I am kind of disappointed too. I didn't support Al Gore in 2000. I didn't care for Bush and Gore at the time. But as of late, I have been paying attention to Gore like some of his speeches that can be found on Moveon.org. And also read "Earth in the Balance." I regret overlooking Gore in 2000.
Speaking of the media Gore made the statement.
"Television induces a quasi-hypnotic state," said Gore, a former newspaper reporter. "The immune system that used to protect our democracy against big lies and faulty perceptions no longer protects us as it used to."
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/the_valley/8165711.htm?1c
Posted by: Leftistindependent at April 15, 2004 10:55 PM
Get the FCC to investigate Plame and Novak's source.
That way, the investigation might move along.
Posted by: Mitch in RocklinCA at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
You should spend next week calling for Robert Novak's firing.
Posted by: Howard Beale at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
did you know that FOX is streamed in the boot camps???
total orweillian brainwashing
Posted by: John Mitchell at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
My dad wasnt going to vote for Kerry based mainly on the report that he spent $500 dollars a week on his hair, luckily he has since changed his mind and is going to vote for a Democrat for the first time ever.
-from ohio
Posted by: Zeit at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Thank you so much for this last segment. It was excellent!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Janeane,
Come on! You can say it right. Drudge Report.
Posted by: Ouch! at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
PBS: They *used* to be America's BBC, drawing all of their support from government funding, private foundations, and viewer contributions, in that order.
But over the last 30 years, the government has gradually withdrawn their support from PBS stations. At this point it is practically nothing. Because of that, PBS has depended increasingly on pledge drives and corporate funding, and has started to run "major donor recognitions" that cannot be distnguished from commercials. So even PBS, which was created to be our publicly funded, independent news and information source, has now been starved into corporate prostitution.
Janeane and Sam, please talk about this! The decline of support for public media goes hand in hand with FCC deregulation, loss of the Fairness Doctrine, and the right-wing domination of the culture for the past many years.
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Liberal at Large gets all his info from the internet?
BWahahahahaha!
No wonder this blog is filled with konspiracy kook krusaders.... (KKK for you "enlightened thinkers" out there) Get your news from EVERYWHERE, you close-minded twat-waffle.
Posted by: Dewclaw at April 15, 2004 10:56 PM
Great show, J & S and guests! Over way too soon. See y'all tom'w.
Posted by: goody at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
JANEANE DO YOU STILL DO STAND UP SHOWS IN NY?
Posted by: emily at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
michael did you try it?
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
Jo Jo >>>> Better said! Well said!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
Here's a story that the mainstream media won't talk about: A California kid had a website called raisethefist.com, and some kid posted information on how to make a Molotov Cockotail on his blog.
The FBI arrested the webmaster, charged him with terrorism, and the kid got a year in federal prison - for having a freaking blog!
That's the Patriot Act.
More info here:
http://www.raisethefist.com/news.cgi?artical=wire/-----74814smallsherm.gifIMG.article
Posted by: Oz at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
Wanda, I am not against the Internet. I would not be listening now without it. However, I can get an AM Radio for $10 to $20.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
Love you guys!!!
Posted by: Chi at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
1. I am 50 2. You are kicking Scarborough's ass 3. fait accompli is not a good way to make foreign policy 4. thank you for the comments re: serious news presentation as in booknotes 5. Candy Crowley chose Inside Politics to discuss Trump 6. I too have read Hitchens for 20 years - he is only about ego now 7. Clinton helped set up Iraq - and that is what the 911 Commission is burying - tha's all for now, congrats - oh - get a station in DC!!!
Posted by: timmy o'kugel at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
It was a very nice show. Interview was great!
Thanks for the radio guys...
*yay.... *
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
"Gibson's film is anti-semitic because the New Testament is anti-semitic."
You have to take these things in context. The most anti-semitic Gospel would be John, and it was written at a time when the Jews who were part of the "Jesus movement" were essentially excommunicated by the right-wing, conservative Jews.
John Shelby Spong wrote a book called Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible with Jewish Eyes that really addresses this well.
Posted by: Renee in Ohio at April 15, 2004 10:57 PM
May I ask why people are so eager to equate Republican and Conservative, Democrat and Liberal these days?
I think a more useful division would be between corporate-owned (Republican, Democrat parties & most media) vs people who are able to think for themselves & air-america.
I actually didn't really understand until I noticed Clinton making NAFTA such a priority--then I realize that Corporate America wins either way, Bush is just an extreme.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
I don't see the liberals as weaker because we refuse to band together and think exactly as some party head would like us to think. As liberals we allow other liberals and conservatives to have opinions other than our own without labeling them as unpatriotic. That is what our country is all about. We have to learn to win back our house, senate and presidency without stooping to the low level of the republican party parrots!
Posted by: dana diaz-campos at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
dewclaw, who are your sources of info?
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
Nice language, Hatey Mc Hatington.
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
They wouldn't show the SNL with Al Sharpton in Springfield Mo either.
Posted by: Hey at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
ack, we don't want BROADBAND on the power lines. It will destroy the infrastructure. Read up a little on this.
also, this question by UZI:
>Okay, so aren't most liberals anti-Israel, anti-zionist, pro-Palestinian? But here we have pro-semites?
I think you have this wrong.
I'm a Liberal and I'm neither anti-Israel or Pro-palestinian, I just want peace in the region and not see anyone bully anyone else. I'm against suicide bombers, I'm against Israeli occupation.
I want these people to realize they all worship the same freakin God, just a different version.
Personally, I want nothing to do with their (and the Xtian) God...
Joy the Pagan in Santa Cruz too
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
we could all go to Vinerero's on 1st & 11th for zuppa inglese!!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
twat-waffle is now my new favorite phrase thankyou dewclaw thats gold
Posted by: .......X Conner Lingus X....... at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
JANEANE do you do any stand up anymore?
Posted by: emily at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
state and local gov't taxes in my area actually went up, enough so to cancel the fed. cuts
Posted by: john_hashcroft at April 15, 2004 10:58 PM
Do deal should be off the table were the animals in the middle east are concered. Enforece SOMETHING.
Posted by: George in Seattle at April 15, 2004 10:59 PM
Wow. Howard Zinn. I'm SO there. The real history + Janeane = FUN FUN FUN (scary) FUN FUN!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 10:59 PM
THe low-down on trickle-down:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/trickle_down.htm
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2004 10:59 PM
yam-bag is SOOO much better than twat-waffle.
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 11:00 PM
‘Bin Laden’ offers peace deal to Europe
NEMESIS: Osama bin Laden
DUBAI — An audiotape attributed to Osama bin Laden yesterday — affirmed as “likely” authentic by CIA — offered peace to European countries that refrain from aggression towards Muslims and who pull their troops out of the Muslim world.
It also vowed to avenge Israel’s March 22 killing of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, founder and spiritual leader of the Palestinian movement Hamas.
The voice, whose authenticity could not be verified, was broadcast by Dubai-based Al Arabiya television.
The text, using ambiguous language, was unclear whether its author was offering a truce or issuing an ultimatum.
“I present a reconciliation initiative ... whose essence is our commitment to stop operations against all (European) countries if they promise not to be aggressive towards Muslims or interfere in their affairs, like the American plot against the big Islamic world,” the voice said.
For all European countries that accept the offer, “peace will come into force with the departure of (their) last soldier from our countries,” said the voice.
Several European states rejected the purported truce offer.
French President Jacques Chirac said there can be no “bargaining with terrorists”. Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said it was “completely unthinkable” to talk with the Al Qaeda leader and European Commission President Romano Prodi said there would be no negotiating under a “terrorist threat”.
Britain said the right response was to “continue to fight terrorism”. Germany said it would not negotiate with “criminals” like Bin Laden.
Poland dismissed the tape’s truce offer as a “trick” designed to prey on heightened fears after the Madrid bombings. Spain’s incoming foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, told Spanish television: “Bin Laden is the enemy of all of us who seek peace, democracy and freedom.
The tape said the “peace offer is open for a period of three months from the date this message is broadcast”.
“For those who want peace, we offer it to them. Stop spilling our blood to protect yours,” said the voice. “The solution is in your hands!”
The voice claimed that the peace offering was a result of opinions polls “revealing that the majority of these European people want peace.”
“Consequently, I invite the sincere (people), notably religious scholars, missionaries and merchants to form a permanent committee to sensitise the European people to our cause, especially the cause of Palestine.”
It added: “In reviewing events taking place in our countries and in yours, an important truth is evident: we both face injustice because of your politicians.
“These politicians send your children, in spite of your opposition, to our countries to kill and be killed,” the voice added.
“It is in the interest of both parties to deprive them of spilling people’s blood for their own interests and in their following of the White House.
“The wise would not commit his security and his wealth and his children to satisfy the liar of the White House,” said the voice, in reference to US President George W. Bush.
The message also referred to the US policy in the Middle East and its support for Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
“If (Bush) were sincere in his call for peace, he would not present (Sharon), who killed pregnant women in Sabra and Shatila ... as a man of peace and he would not have lied to the public,” said the voice, referring to a 1982 massacre in Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon by Christian militias.
“The facts tell us that we are right and they are lying: the death of Russians follows their invasion of Afghanistan and Chechnya, and that of Europeans is due to their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan,” said the message.
“The death of Americans in New York (on September 11, 2001) follows their support for the Jews in Palestine and their invasion of the Arabian Peninsula,” the voice added. — AFP
Posted by: Arthur at April 15, 2004 11:00 PM
Actually, Shaul/Sheol identifies himself as a gentile in one of the epistles.
I recommend "James, the Brother of Jesus" by Robert Eisenman and some tutoring in Hebrew (which helps loads in New Testament study, too).
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 11:00 PM
eli eli lama sabachtani!
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 11:01 PM
Beautiful baby
mother father fine
what a great show
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at April 15, 2004 11:01 PM
>>Wanda, I am not against the Internet. I would not be listening now without it. However, I can get an AM Radio for $10 to $20.<<
Most cellphones will have WiFi capability soon. (PDA and laptops are also will be equiped with WiFi)
but these are just the beginning, a wideband wireless and more processing power are coming soon, so carrying a little AM radio size gadget equals to total internet access soon.
Posted by: wanda at April 15, 2004 11:02 PM
What's really hurt me is the new state taxes being put on purchases over the internet, those came on without a wimper or whine, and are surely going to spread to every state within 5 years.
Posted by: Zeit at April 15, 2004 11:02 PM
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Posted by: Hessn at April 15, 2004 11:02 PM
What are we supposed to post 6 of to win a shirt?
Posted by: Miko at April 15, 2004 11:02 PM
A pagan telling Israelis and Arabs what to do with The Land is like a pig telling a Jew how to make a good bagel.
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 11:03 PM
What about the Saudi's being hustled out of the country after the attacks?
Posted by: Natasha at April 15, 2004 11:03 PM
MARS BITCH!
Posted by: mars at April 15, 2004 11:03 PM
the guy with the money telling the country who gets the money what they better do (or not do) with that money . . .
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 11:03 PM
Oh, the haters are quakin'...
I love the spasms of the unintelligible throwbacks and closed minded ostriches as they attempt to cloud this free discussion.
Sorry, kids!
We've got the Mic, and we AIN'T GIVING IT BACK!
Nice try though, with the all-caps n' such... maybe O'Reilly can use an intern. G'wan, git!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 11:04 PM
Wanda, I love your passion! I just want to get the word out.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 11:04 PM
Okay, my wrap-up of tonight's show/blog experience:
1) Great show. I wanted to hear about G.E. though. Grrr. >:(
2) Howard Zinn tomorrow! Woohooo!!! :D
(I'll hafta pick that up in rebroadcast, though, unfortunately, because I won't be home tomorrow night).
...and...
3) When righties show up on these boards and try to push their agenda items...and then get all indignant when people ignore them...
...I laugh out loud. :,D
Posted by: TreeHuggrrrrrrr at April 15, 2004 11:04 PM
u.s. gives israel enough money that i think we get a say in whether or not they blow stuff up
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 11:04 PM
take back the power folks! cya!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 11:05 PM
first posts I think it was 5
$40 t shirt your choice I'll
credit card it probably
Posted by: Sunshine Jim at April 15, 2004 11:05 PM
another excellent show!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 15, 2004 11:05 PM
"MARS BITCH"
Did anyone else see that Chappell Show where he was Black Bush. Very Funny.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 11:05 PM
i'm tellin ya!
everytime i ask a conservative to state their case, they shrink away
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 11:06 PM
Talking Points.....
Randi Rhodes pointed out something I think we all should point out to Indeped and Mod Repub in our discussions ...because the REPUGS would like to blur it....
Point >>> ...it doesn't matter that I make $10 000, and you make $500 000 or a million bucks we all pay taxes
REPUGS want this to be a based on class warfare....
What Kerry has been very shealth at doing is framing this discussion as, and we should too .... Is
The BILLION $$ CORPORATIONS need to pay thier share ....they get away with paying ZERO...thats where our focus should be....thats where this election will be won ... and move votes to the Democratic column ...thats what we need to STRESS
Posted by: FLS at April 15, 2004 11:06 PM
My Talking Points.....
Randi Rhodes pointed out something I think we all should point out to Indeped and Mod Repub in our discussions ...because the REPUGS would like to blur it....
Point >>> ...it doesn't matter that I make $10 000, and you make $500 000 or a million bucks we all pay taxes
REPUGS want this to be a based on class warfare....
What Kerry has been very shealth at doing is framing this discussion as, and we should too .... Is
The BILLION $$ CORPORATIONS need to pay thier share ....they get away with paying ZERO...thats where our focus should be....thats where this election will be won ... and move votes to the Democratic column ...thats what we need to STRESS
Posted by: FLS at April 15, 2004 11:07 PM
Israel's "trusting in the [U.S.] arm of flesh" is the only thing keeping them from rolling over the P'lishtim as Samson would. So be thankful they are depending on us, if only for the sake of the Palestinians.
Research the Merkava 4 tank that Israel is rolling out. Why did Israel have to make its own tank?
Posted by: Uzi at April 15, 2004 11:07 PM
new thread
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 11:07 PM
AAR,
Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! Troll! etc. etc.
It is Troller not Troll! Troller!
******
"Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters."
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame29.html
Posted by: Ouch! at April 15, 2004 11:07 PM
Nite y'all. Raise Hell
Dewclaw >>> bite me!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 15, 2004 11:07 PM
Preferable - 'Monty Python's Life of Brian'
Posted by: goody at April 15, 2004 11:08 PM
In answer to your question....
I look at everything from Al Jazera to Fox. I watch network news... I listen to Majority Report.
Seriously... I give a rat's hairy hind-quarters if your Dem, Rep, Lib, or Con. But ALL these WAAAAY out conspiracy obsessions just insult the intelligence and allow peeps to throw your arguements (justifably or not) out the window. Get a grip, folks. You'll have a lot better chance convincing people if you don't come across like a mentally-challenged vagrant who's mumbling to himself.
...and TWAT-WAFFLE is copyrighted, thank you. :)
Posted by: Dewclaw at April 15, 2004 11:08 PM
Maybe I am talking out of my ass, but I am pretty sure that US support of Israel has not waivered since it became a nation, regardless of who was in the White House.
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 15, 2004 11:08 PM
haha!
Posted by: at April 15, 2004 11:08 PM
probably because they wanted to call it the chariot and have their very own toy. they certainly could afford to build tanks what with the billions of dollars they get
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
Since this is (was) a show on media:
Your dreams of masses of people switching to the Internet are just that. You are fooling yourselves if you think any of this blogging and Internet streaming is making a difference in Middle America. Most Americans care less about your little blogging parties, or your bitter and stale 1,000 watt "network." Your shtick is already tired and I can't wait to see how you hold up during the NEXT four years of Bush.
Here are some free tips: Everything you disagree with isn't an outrage, everything you disagree with isn't a lie. Everything you disagree with isn’t a conspiracy. Screaming for three hours straight like your hair is on fire makes your listeners weary. You have overused all of these approaches in the past two weeks. It's lost all impact and you all are sounding like one-trick, knee-jerk ponies.
I don't expect you are going to last very long in the true free-market of ideas. You may last if your hell-bent on beating Bush (but futile) financiers decide to fund you despite nearly non-existent listenership (I suspect this is already happening now since all I hear are public service announcements during the "commercials").
In case you haven’t gotten the message yet: You are losing the propaganda war against the economy and taxes. You are also losing the battle on security and defense of this nation. Most Americans know that liberals are unqualified to be commander in chief because they tear down the morale of the troops at every turn (Rep Rangel, Andy Rooney, Jeanine Garofalo ) and gut the military’s budget (Carter, Clinton and Sen Kerry throughout his post-war career). Those are the two most important issues to Americans, and you are on the wrong side of both.
Good luck to you all. I'm glad you at least have each other to commiserate with as you become resigned to your inevitable Bush future for the next four years (and foreseeable future beyond that).
Ciao.
Posted by: Objective Listener at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
Your show is great! You asked, I think, six ways we end up paying more because of Bush's tax cuts and I'm living some of them!
1 Higher Property Taxes
2 Higher Tuition
3 States have cut Medicaid resulting in higher costs for medical for the poor
4 States raise taxes on anything they can think of because their revenue has been cut due to Bush
5 Counties and cities have raised sales taxes due to cuts from the state due to Bush
6 Greatly decreased funds to help low income with affordable housing - waiting lists have gone from no wait to years in many areas.
Sharon
Canton, Mississippi
Yes, there are a few of us here that have enough sense to be Democrats but it's lonely!
Posted by: sharon ford at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
How about...
Love your kids? Then pay your taxes!
Don't create a new inheritance tax.
Posted by: Sid at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
Greetings from the industrial rust belt of the northeast! There's plenty of ways well be paying for the tax cuts. Some examples:
Increased state and local taxes (In PA property taxes have to make up for cuts in Fed. block grants for education and have increased enough that people have lost their homes because of it), rapidly increasing tuitions at public universities, eventual cuts in social security benefits and increases in other regressive taxes such as sales taxes and user fees. My taxes weren't cut at all anyway. I'm one of those lucky-duckies who "only" pays payroll taxes. Oh well.
I'm listening on the web and I like what I hear. But I tend to trust publicly funded stations (i.e Pacifica) a little more.
Posted by: lefty79 at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
wait til biggus dickus hears of this!
Posted by: jojo at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
fls >>> You & Randi have the message! Bad idea to fight with rhetoric of "rich have to pay more taxes". Never win! We only lay into the divisive goals of the right.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 15, 2004 11:09 PM
The best ideas are those that benefit all, not just those who can afford them.
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 15, 2004 11:15 PM
Ahhhh... Liberal at Large. I expected so much better from you. Please go to "Flaming 101" and learn how to insult someone properly.
Posted by: Dewclaw at April 15, 2004 11:16 PM
oh god what is going on with Daily Show? They had a rerun, but have an new interview with John Knoxville, who frankly looks disgusting
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:23 PM
Human history is a race between knowledge and catastrophe. Guess which wins when there is a weak news media and a timid "left?"
Posted by: Robert at April 15, 2004 11:25 PM
Another tax set-off for "family value" Rethugs - anyone who has kids in school is either voting a huge new levy or ponying up about $250 per activity if the levy doesn't pass (since so many are out of work, who wants to vote for taxes?)
One local school lost its full-time counselor(hope there aren't any potential school-shooting tragedies brewing there), another its extremely popular vice-principal.
BQ
Posted by: RagingBQ at April 15, 2004 11:26 PM
I'm sure you guys (& gal) know not to put too much stock in what Objective Listener & those like him/her have to say (which is nothing helpful). Keep on speaking the hell out and doin' what yer doin'. Rock on! Janeane, a very sincere congrats on your recovery (feeling better?)--keep it up! Your admirers & supporters are proud of you, J, and you're making a difference there--all you guys! We so need an outlet like Air America, so thanks for simply existing.
Posted by: JaneaneRules at April 15, 2004 11:29 PM
NOW it's working, oops! erm not....
the chat
this is perplexing, our alpahbet soups groups are taking all of our chats down at once, how can this be anything other than a plan?
and they took OFF Good Eats. ANd Daily Show is a rerun!
Why are they DOING this to ME???????????????????
It's like they are targetting everything I love
well damnit, I'm starting a chat on my OWN website
email me at hummingbird_@earthlink.net
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:30 PM
I don't want to be taxed for your after-school activities because I don't live in your area. And likewise you shouldn't be taxed for activities for kids in my area. Costs and types of activities can differ from each area. These are local decisions that rightfully should be funded locally, not federally. The money you saved on your federal taxes can easilly be used to help pay for these increases. Get over it.
Posted by: Local Taxes at April 15, 2004 11:34 PM
Try this:
http://chat.yahoo.com/?room=40's::1600326606&identity=Tantrika13&client=DHTML
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:34 PM
of course they make this DIFFICULT...
it's not an easy URL to remember, after all
http://chat.yahoo.com/?room=40's::1600326606&identity=Tantrika13&client=DHTML
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:36 PM
This is infuriating
They co-opted stuff, without warning on yahoo, they make it hard to figure out how to creat your own group, (yahoo)
You can't get to a chat on IRC, I can't find anything else.... except here...
and this will close down soon for the night.
and for 24 hours.
we need a website, a COMPLETE website with java chat NOW
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:40 PM
Joy in Santa Cruz: what's wrong with undernet.org?
Posted by: kmj at April 15, 2004 11:41 PM
Everything related to this show is falling apart, I tried to create a chat on my own site and it failed!
Posted by: Joy in Santa Cruz too at April 15, 2004 11:51 PM
I know what you mean. I tried masturbating during the show and I lost my erection.
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin at April 15, 2004 11:54 PM
complete audio archives of all AAR shows can be found here.
http://www.airamericaplace.com/aa.htm
The Archive is up! On a new Server! Let them Come!
http://www.airamericaplace.com/aa.htm
The archive is ready to go. Hopefully our 1,000GB of Bandwidth a month will be enough (Is that a terabyte?). You’ll need to register for the free Message Boards to access the archive
http://www.airamericaplace.com/aa.htm
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DISTURBING ARTICLE:
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Posted by: Michael at April 16, 2004 10:20 AM
went to listen to my favorite radio station on the internet, and you were not there, don't let the right wingers beat you down.
Lick Bush.
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I will read your tripe, but just try for once to make it accurate.
BTW, it's the 101st in Baghdad...
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