From the Dailykos.com Markos Molitsas
From Democracy Now-- Amy Goodman
Frist
Posted by: Rico at April 12, 2004 09:03 PMYosh!
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 12, 2004 09:03 PMmight i say this is my first time on television?
Posted by: michael ellis at April 12, 2004 09:03 PMThird!
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third!
Posted by: michael ellis at April 12, 2004 09:04 PMIn that news sound bite the Prez meant to say, "You can't let a small number of people decide the fate of Iraq unless it is Me, Condi, Dick, Don and Paul."
Posted by: Jason at April 12, 2004 09:05 PMon countdown, oberman said something about a second memo on august 7th that had all the more detailed information about Osama removed. I have been looking for news stories on this. anyone have anything???
Posted by: Barbara at April 12, 2004 09:07 PMThanks Sam for reading the blog last week and calling Jeaneane a Great American Patriot after seeing my posts. All of Air America Radio people and its loyal listeners are truly great american patriots
That is the point of me using this posting nick.
True Patriots don't blindly follow the lies and unamerican unconstitional activities of the unelected bush regime.
Great guests Amy Goodman & Harry Schearer,
Ask Amy about her interview with Sybil Edmunds the FBI Translater. I believe that there is another FBI translater besides her that confirms what she is saying.
Larry King changed his show tonight to talking about the PDB memo & Iraq. One of the 9/11 widows are coming on too. It is on now, repeats at 11pm & 3am EDT.
Great American Patriot
PLEASE get Aaron Russo, candidate for President!
on your show ,chk him out on howard stern and fox news at www.russoforpresident.com
Janeane, get alex jones of www.infowars.com on the show
Posted by: jon at April 12, 2004 09:08 PMI love the music. I just tuned in and heard Everclears "Heartspeak Dollarsign."
You guys agree?
Posted by: Caleb, the founder of www.anti-bush.com at April 12, 2004 09:08 PMAmy Goodman is coming to UC Santa Barbara next monday, and I can't wait!
Posted by: Hillary at April 12, 2004 09:08 PMA big ole raspberry to Billy....
Posted by: ZuZu's Petals at April 12, 2004 09:09 PMat the end of the last thread, I was asking about USO care packages and liberal at large was kind enough to say this:
"You're better off making $$ contributions directly to USO or the Red Cross military fund because ALL the money, 100%, has to go to troop sevices BY law."
...as the care packages can be KBR-aided, thus, the obvious kick to the middle man...
thanks again, liberal at large! you all rock, blog commenters!
Posted by: just asking at April 12, 2004 09:09 PMI missed Harry Shearer?
"D'oh!"
Posted by: TheaLogie at April 12, 2004 09:10 PMi agree, caleb. =) the music has been outstanding. last week i caught snippets of the pixies, which made me very happy.
Posted by: anna at April 12, 2004 09:10 PMAnn scares the shit out of me!
I saw her on Bill's show can you say WACKO!!
Guys..he admits to never even listening!!
Posted by: ZuZu's Petals at April 12, 2004 09:10 PMBy the way Janeane, you earlier referred to the Republicans as our "Cosa Nostra." A lot of us have taken to calling them the "GOPranos."
Posted by: Miss Ann Thrope at April 12, 2004 09:10 PMOT: Anna, but when will the Pixies announce their NYC dates????
sorry... back to AirAm...
Posted by: bd in nyc at April 12, 2004 09:11 PMKos! Kos! Kos! Kos! Kos!
Posted by: hyperbolic pants explosion at April 12, 2004 09:12 PMThe very group that claims to revere the Constitution so....
Posted by: ZuZu's Petals at April 12, 2004 09:12 PMNO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
(ooh im bein negative & shrill!)
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:12 PMJaneane, Sam
These criticisms from the right only indicates that what AAR is doing is effective. Nothing more.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:13 PMThe intro music does rock!
The so called religous conservatives seem to be the meanest people and most of the time they are big its and sexists all the name of GOD!
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2004 09:13 PMKOS!! KOS!! KOS!!
Posted by: ZuZu's Petals at April 12, 2004 09:13 PMObjectivity Lost
I ran through the carpet barefoot yet assured,
It was entirely of my own decision.
Careening off tables without too much disturbed,
I grabbed for the remote with such practiced precision,
Flipping channels with ease until I found FOX television.
With such fairness and balance my choices are clear,
I pound with my fist and judge unabated.
I feel totally valid with what I want to hear.
Liberalism allowed though highly castrated.
Fairness and balance abound as anticipated.
It’s all common sense that no one can deny,
If you do it’s because you are at the least misguided.
Anything contrary must be but a lie,
Prepare foul leftists to be sternly chided,
It’s fairness and balance that keep us delighted.
I almost just shat my pants when they said "taking dumps on people's heads... policy dumps."
CLASSIC!
Posted by: Will at April 12, 2004 09:13 PMask Harry Shearer Bohemian Grove where are leader go
weird shit goes on there
look it up
KOS!!!
Posted by: ZuZu's Petals at April 12, 2004 09:14 PMask Harry Shearer about the Bohemian Grove where are leaders go
weird shit goes on there
look it up
With regard to your comment about right-wing nuts dumping on Republicans while also pandering to them to get votes, you might want to check out the latest issue of Harper's.
Regards,
Kevin
Don't feed the fuc**ing TROLLS. Just let them up the hit count on AAR. It pisses them off more to be ignored!!!!
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 12, 2004 09:16 PMThe supposed anonymous nature of the internet breeds this stuff. You should see the flaming on the b-movie boards about the Dawn of the Dead remake!
Posted by: Chadzilla at April 12, 2004 09:16 PMDoes anyone else here get email from so called friends that forward you some of the right wing stuff?I've received several from a guy who wants to show me the TRUTH and I'm like that's what you believe.It's crazy.
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2004 09:17 PMTom,
I actually know someone who belongs to the Bohemian club. It is true that they have a ritual sacrifice that represents their "cares and woe" at the beginning of their time in the Bohemian Grove. My left wing, hippy father in-law finds it hysterically funny. [He inherited his membership from his father.]
Posted by: Lucky Maria at April 12, 2004 09:17 PMI would have more respect for conservatives if they would just come clean and admit that they don't want to pay their taxes. It's really this simple, but they try to hide behind the "god,guns and gays" dogma.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:18 PMIsn't Dubya like the "Fredo" Corleone dufus son & brother in the Godfather?
Posted by: Great American Patriot at April 12, 2004 09:18 PMIf we impeach the Silly Monkey do we have any legal recourse to send him into exile? What about seizing all of the Bush family assets?
Posted by: Phree Speetch at April 12, 2004 09:18 PMI agree, ask SOMEONE about the Bohemian grove. ;)
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:18 PMI heard something the other day that more people get killed in car wrecks everyday than what's been killed in Iraq.Now that's crazy.To compare war with ACCIDENTS. Being killed by an enemy is not the same as having a 18 wheeler slam on brakes in front of you.
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2004 09:19 PMI'm not afraid of trolls...A little truth in their face, call em on their claims and they evaporate...hehehe works on the inlaws too ;)
Posted by: Nobody at April 12, 2004 09:19 PMI'm glad you're taking Wm. Raspberry to task. I was astonished at his biased column this morning, and earlier this evening I wrote the following to him:
Dear Mr. Raspberry,
You can listen to Air America Radio via the Internet - click on:
http://www.airamericaradio.com/
and then click on "Listen Live" in the left column.
Air America is not hate radio; nor does it spew lies about the radical right: that's really not necessary, after all, given the awful truths about this White House.
Air America IS refreshing and funny and irreverant, and it does provide both entertainment and a voice to the many people in this country who are interested and involved in constructive, progressive, responsible politics. They interviewed local grassroots leaders of the fight in California last week against the Walmart initiative; they interview people like James Fallows, Howard Dean, Howard Fineman, Gloria Steinem, Jon Stewart (of "The Daily Show") - academics, writers, journalists, politicians, and activists both in the US and abroad who deal with the issues that the mainstream media prefers to ignore (ratings, you know). Al Franken does a regular feature on the OFranken Factor with friends of his who are Rush Limbaugh or Fox News aficionados. He engages them in funny but respectful discussions of specific elements of the radical right's uniformly superficial and nasty attributions to the labels "liberal" or "French", for example, or the latest wild accusations against administration whistleblowers or Democrats who dare to oppose Bush's policies. And on some points he's beginning to turn them. Callers on the morning and afternoon call-in shows are frequently veterans and military families who oppose the war and support gay marriage! Air America simply gives those of us on the other side a fighting chance.
I believe AAR is not only valuable but absolutely necessary (and, as many callers point out, LONG overdue) to balance out the unreservedly right-wing, ultra-commercial tilt of the mainstream television, radio and print news media. Even much of NPR and PBS's "The News Hour" have abandoned the center and become rightist in orientation over the past decade, and especially over the past several years. How else to explain the bizarre push in 2002-03 toward an illegal, unnecessary war, with virtually no debate, or questioning from the media, or stands of principle against the war from Congress or indeed anyone of stature -- other than Charlie Rangel and others in the CBC, the gloriously courageous, plain-talking Howard Dean, that blessedly staunch constitutionalist Robert Byrd, and a very few others.
In recent years your column, too, has drifted rightward, in that trusting way some overwhelmed liberals have of simply giving in to the dominant theme -- in the belief, I suppose, that if everyone is doing it and not even questioning it, then it must be okay. (If you really do want to see the end of public education - which is the radical right's endgame - by all means, continue supporting vouchers.) But I imagine you still have enough of a sense of fairness to at least listen to Air America before you jump on the bandwagon of Fox, CNN and others who want this lone liberal voice silenced.
Sincerely,
There once was a Butler named Smedley
Who commented on topics deadly
War is a racket
Wall Street makes a packet
The shrieks of the dying a horrible melody
KOS KOS KOS rules! (But he does need a voice transplant. I can see why he's a blogman. No dis' intended.)
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 12, 2004 09:20 PMMichael,
I think I remember that comment about car accidents and if I remember right the numbers they used to figure the number of Americans dying in the war was WAY off base.
Posted by: Lucky Maria at April 12, 2004 09:20 PMLucky Maria
have u watched alex jones movie about Bohemian Grove
r u 4 real
Ann on Bill's show said that we should send people there to convert them to christians to help them.Now does that sound awful close to what Hitler was trying to do in Germany. Yes.
Posted by: michael at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMWelcome Marcos... you are cool. Never heard of you before airamerica, now I have spent more time on the net than I used to....
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMAm I the only one having a craving for Gyros for some reason? ... hmmm...
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMYeah the media is churning out a lot of stories about how talk radio is dividing america. Of course when it was just right wing hate on the air they never had much to say.
I think the words transparent and predictable apply here
Posted by: wphilips at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMJanean giving a shoutout to indymedia:
She's wicked funny!
http://radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=4933
http://radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=6494
http://radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=4931
It's Jon Stewart's favorite commercial
Posted by: frantik at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMI think that Janeane needs to talk more. Sam hogs the mic and Janeane says something very true and important every time she speaks.
Posted by: samhain at April 12, 2004 09:21 PMWe must kill them to save them.
Posted by: John Hayes at April 12, 2004 09:22 PMi've never heard of this "raspberry" character but he sounds like a divider, not a uniter.
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:22 PMKos has it pretty well straight - Bush's admin seems to be in two minds.
Machismo: "we'll stay the course, we'll make darn sure that freedom rules..."
Cowardice disguised as pragmatism: "they don't want us. We'll bug out by June 30 (sotto voce) which we were going to do anyway."
Posted by: TheaLogie at April 12, 2004 09:22 PMIn the last thread, someone posted a link to the Iraq Body Count web site. In case you haven't seen it, here is a site that lists the coalition casualties http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
Posted by: Renee in Ohio at April 12, 2004 09:22 PMFrom the "uhhhhh, yeaahhhhh" news department... clicky moi (je suis une francophile, aussi)
Posted by: bd in nyc at April 12, 2004 09:23 PMSomebody ought to ask Joe Scarborough what made him divorce his wife and marry his aide, have a new baby and leave Congress half way thorough his hard fought battle to 'get' his second term. He filled Hutto's place and I know of what I speak of.
Just ask these 'holier than thou' idiots and fakes what they are all about since they have all day long to criticize others.
I was elected four times in Joe's district and I know what I'm talking about. Since he's a lwayer and I'm not, I might add this as a disclaimer----------In my opinion, I believe these things mentioned are true, but could be wrong. It is an opinion that was formulated while Joe was in "public seervice". (cite Sullivan v NYT)
Posted by: Eleonor Farrell at April 12, 2004 09:23 PMDivide & conquer works well eh?
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 12, 2004 09:23 PMBlog from Iraq, for those who wants alternative news input from Iraq.
http://www.empirenotes.org/
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
http://www.juancole.com/2004_04_01_juancole_archive.html#108149971423625340
Nice letter Jeannie!
BTW< Amy Goodman is celebrating her book release on my birthday! :) 42 rocks. SO I'm gonna get the book and get it signed on the 18th so I can thank her for all the marvelous work she does for this country and the world.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:23 PMThat kid already is a spaceman!
Grem-
Posted by: Gremlin at April 12, 2004 09:24 PMJust a thought for the right wing trolls. If this administration has it's way, you might not be able to spend your hours posting hate and profanity. So here is a suggestion to avoid embarrasment. Do what you will on these blogs and boards. When it comes time to vote, you don't have to disclose your selection, so put a vote out against Bush, then lie about it. We all win, you can continue spewing and not be embarrassed for making an intelligent decision. The rest of us can get attention for the attention you are giving us, maybe even see some changes in the country.
Blog on
Adam
Both sides can find "proof" and twist it their way to show their side is right. The main problem I have with the right wing is there seems to be such a smugness and inability to ever listen that as a young voter it turns me off. Is that to say I agree with everything every liberal has to say all the time? No. And I think that's the point, dissent is allowed on the left side.
P.S.-This is the first time I've had a chance to listen to the show. I listen to Morning Sedition, Unfiltered, and the factor at work but haven't had the chance to listen to the lovely Janeane until tonight and it's another great show
Yo la tengo!
Posted by: Chris Wage at April 12, 2004 09:24 PMI think we need to define what is meant by "mercenaries." The implication is that these guys are like Hessians or something. Most are ex U.S. military who for whatever reason no longer serve, and I don't think many of them (if any) are in combat roles. Unless someone proves otherwise, I think we should be more precise with the language we use out of respect for these men and women who are just doing a job - not heartless expats working on behalf of whatever gov't happens to be paying.
Posted by: Jon at April 12, 2004 09:24 PMi didn't think Sam was straight...
Posted by: Rico at April 12, 2004 09:24 PM"We must kill them to save them."
Anyone remember the bit on The Daily Show (hey--can you get Jon Stewart on your show?)where one of the "reporters" said this is consistent with the administration's philosophy that in order to save something, you have to kill part of it.
Like the forests, for example.
Freepers are closet-cases in a sense? In what sense? I don't think there's any shortage of non-closet-case bigots.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMNo sam!! Don't leave me! I had such nice plans for us! Okay, sorry for being creepy..
Posted by: Hillary at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMTwo 9/11 Widows on CNN Larry King Live Now, repeated at 11pm & 3am EDT
They are not satisfied
Posted by: Great American Patriot at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMEngaged? First Stephen Colbert is married, and now this? Damn
Posted by: jennd9 at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMTo all who do not want to be e-mailed by the Right, you do not have to type in your E-mail in order to post! I just wanted to make sure that you guys knew that!
Grem-
Posted by: Gremlin at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMi didn't think Sam was straight...
Posted by: Rico at April 12, 2004 09:25 PMThe Iraquis are not stupid: They know all too well what has happened to the Palestinians over the decades, and they have enough sense and courage to not want the same thing to happen to them. It is tragic that young Americans who have no idea what they're fighting about are being sacrificed so cynically, and that so many long-suffering, innocent Iraqis are being destroyed in the administration's zeal to save them from the profits of their oil.
Mass graves in Falujah this week - how ironic is that.
Plus, the presence of Chalabi on the governing council is simply inexcusable.
Posted by: JeannieB at April 12, 2004 09:26 PMJaneane is right about freepers being obsessive.
Eric Alterman notes in his great book "What Liberal Media?" that freepers spend an average of over five hours online per session on FreeRepublic.
Click my name and scroll down to 'Tribal drum for activists' for an article confirming this.
Posted by: Ian Gillespie at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMI heard that the "contractors" that have been kidnapped and killed as of late have actually been mercenaries hired by US and Britan; many from South Africa. Anybody else heard this?
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMDear ?
I am for real. I have not seen the movie, though I've heard a rumor about someone doing their dissertation on the Bohemian Club.
The Bohemian Club I know about is a private club for mostly white males in San Francisco. They consider themselves creative, free spirits. They go off to the private Bohemian Grove which they own and split into clubs, such as the Dragons. Each club has their own "thing". My father-in-law is in the musical group because he likes to sing and play guitar.
In fact, his membership is currently suspended because he is friends with Peter of Peter, Paul and Mary and presented him for membership. Peter was denied membership because [my father in law believes] he is Jewish. Needless to say that was rather the straw that broke the hippy's back and he resigned in protest.
I will look for the documentary. it'll be interesting to compare to the stories he's told me.
Posted by: Lucky Maria at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMKos man, just a fact for ya:
This personification of the enemy goes back to The American Revolution. We personified English power with the English Crown, King George III.
Just some trivia for you :)
Posted by: Justin Donahoe at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMIf Janeane ever gets married, my heart with ache with loss. Hey, I need my obsessive fantasies!
Posted by: Chadzilla at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMWell, Kos, those guys don't need much work to be demonized.... right, they deserve to be demonized, but you are right, we look at the individual trees rather than the forest.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:27 PM"I think we need to define what is meant by "mercenaries." The implication is that these guys are like Hessians or something. Most are ex U.S. military who for whatever reason no longer serve, and I don't think many of them (if any) are in combat roles."
Under international law, they are not mercenaries, because to qualify as a mercenary you have to be of a nationality from a nation-state not directly involved in the conflict (a somewhat nebulous definition in this age of proxy-wars and supra-national conflict).
Nonetheless, it's really perfectly acceptable to refer to them as such in a casual vernacular. Merriam Webster defines "mercenary" as "one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service". These men qualify.
Posted by: Chris Wage at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMHoorah, Daily Kos has an RSS feed that actually works, so I can see when the new posts grow up!
Posted by: Elayne Riggs at April 12, 2004 09:27 PMI don't know where to put this- but I think it is a piece of a huge issue-
The short version:
My husband’s first name is Mohamed. The INS implemented a “Special Registration” for aliens from certain Arab countries. Of course most people that were required to do this missed the memo, since there was none aside from a few news broadcasts the first week.
So he called the INS three separate times and explained that he had just come back into the country in August and had his I-95 stamped that day asking “Do I still have to come for the Special Registration?” Long story short: We sat there for three hours while one lady sat at a window in this newly renovated huge office able to seat hundreds of people and reviewed the seven other people a head of us. Finally the woman looked at his I-95 and said, “Oh you don’t have to be here, this is stamped from August.”
But for the really interesting part: Friend A, VISA expired a year prior, does not have work permit, does not have a case in the INS… he goes to this Special Registration. The INS looks at his VISA and holds his passport for three months, telling him to come back for it then (this was done to everyone who went through this process). After three months, the INS simply gave him back his passport, no questions.
Friend B: Went through the registration, got back his passport. His mother dies two weeks later and so he has to go to the INS in order to get the papers that will secure him re-entry into the United States. He leaves and comes back in one month and is turned away at JFK because the paperwork is not accepted (no other reason then “no”).
How is this system working? Eventually the INS did away with the Special Registration, citing that they would come up with another working plan. Mostly, I was stunned by the way these situations were handled. But no one wants these government jobs of sifting through immigrants and aliens. And no one in the governmental offices already wants to take responsibility for assessing a person’s situation. And my husband and I are stuck with having to worry about getting on a plane to go anywhere, not because of suspecting terrorists in others, but because the name Mohamed has been governmentally associated with terrorist.
There once was a Daily named Kos
Plain speaking hero of ordinary Joes
We blog through the night
Exposing the right
Where this is going, nobody knows
Bush tried to get the Hessians interested, but they were not buying it.
Posted by: Jason at April 12, 2004 09:29 PMOn fairness in media.
Most reporters have no interest in finding the truth anymore. They simply present the case, and (if you're lucky), a spokesman or a quote for each side is presented. This works well for the most part, but break down when one of the positions is based on verifyable lies.
A professional and ethical press would go the extra mile, find the truth, and report the facts to the reader. You can't poll for the truth. Ironically, one of the worst spin zones in U.S media is called the "No Spin Zone".
Posted by: Fauna haiku at April 12, 2004 09:29 PMdidnt Brooks call sadr "the new hitler" on PBS NEWSHOUR last friday?
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:29 PMMust be limericks in the air tonight...
There once was a liar named Bush
Who spent most of the time on his tush.
He was fishing in Texas
As soldiers died in excess
In November let's give him the push.
A re-post made to comments on APR. 3 thread.
In Response To THE TROOP’s comments concerning CONTRACTORS/”MERCENARIES”
I’ve never really understood the negative feeling for Security Contractors or Consultants. You seem to have the idea that contractors working in war zones are bloodthristy characters, operating in death-squads and lurking in shadows. The fact is that contractors, like myself and (probably) the contractors killed in Fallujah, are just that…CONTRACTORS. Men and women who posess a certain skill set that is required to fulfill a mission or objective.
As in any profession, most security contractors posess a certain professional ethic that would preclude them from doing anything they deem objectionable. Just as a US soldier is required to follow only “Lawful” orders, so do most contractors make ethics based decisions on what is or is not DO-able.
Now to answer the question of propriety, as far as working a contract, for profit, as opposed to serving in the military. I have served in the military, as have most of my colleagues. I received my initial training in the US military (USMC). I’ve served my country in time of conflict (first Persian Gulf War). Upon my EAS, I found that the Want-Ads contained few postings for Infantryman. So, I, like other well trained professionals, found work commiserate with my skill set. I do take contracts by pay-scale, so do construction contractors, but just as a reputable construction contractor won’t use materials and apply practices that could endanger someone, most security contractors won't take a job that requires them to do something objectionable. Thanks to training I received in the Marine Corps (and additional training paid for by me) I am able to take advantage of opportunities to earn money for myself and my family. Why is that objectionable?
THE TROOP WROTE---I would have said without hesitation "screw them" to the mercenaries before they died so why should I change my view now. I won't and will not.
This seems a particulary crass and cavalier remark to make about people you didn’t know, and about whose mission you were equally ignorant. Seems to clash with your concern about “the future a dead soldier would have had even the enemy”.
THE TROOP WROTE--- . Mercenaries not contractors as you falsly identify them cause more problems then they create….. Your focus should not be about using the death of 4 mercenaries…. but instead to ponder and think why are these 4 men risking the lives of our Soldiers.
What problems were these four men causing? As you seem to be unaware of so many of the basic facts of the topic on which you are writing as an “authority”, you are probably also ignorant of the fact that the US ARMY employs civilian contractors as a protection force FOR it’s soldiers. Civilian contractors, serve as force protection for the soldiers at bases in Iraq and other “Hot Spots” world wide. Of course, the greedy , murderous bastards are being paid to watch the Soldiers’ backs…but what can you expect from “mercenaries”? You also don’t seem to realize that most contractors have more real experience in conflict situations than the average US service member. We tend to be better trained, more experienced and better armed. That’s not a jab at the service members, but if you’ve been in the military, as you claim, you’re aware of how little money the government actually puts into training and eqiuipment. And to refute another of your claims, I’ve found that my best friend in a bad situation is the person watching my “6”…I don’t care how much he or she is getting paid!
THE TROOP WROTE--- Ricky has obviously never served in the same area as mercenaries and UN soldiers for that. They are a pain and endanger our soldiers. That is why UN soldiers do not interact with US soldiers. They work in different areas and on different missions towards the same goal.
You mentioned serving in Bosnia. I also served in Bosnia, as a Contractor, providing training and Methods consulting. You stated, correctly, that soldiers from different nations often work in different AR’s. However, in these situations, as in Bosnia, the US military is also acting as a part of the UN force. There is no UN Army. And, incidentally, I don’t recall US ground forces doing anything particulary helpful in Bosnia, at least not when it mattered. After the shooting stopped, the US ground forces jumped right in(SFOR)…and good job to you! But, during the actual shooting bit, seemed to be mostly the French, Danish, and others…you know…THE UN ARMY! Of course, there were some dirty “mercenaries” in there trying to get weapons and training to a certain embattled portion of the populace so they could defend themselves. And, if you think we cleaned up, money-wise, on that deal, you’re even more misinformed that I suspected.
Based on your florid writing style and your often contradictory statements, I can only conclude that your antipathy towards security contractors comes more from jealousy about the pay-check than actual experience. Otherwise, I can see no genuine reason to be so critical of people who are only practicing their occupation. With some exceptions, the men and women who are professional contractors and consultants are not “Hot Dogs”, “Cowboys”, or thrill-seekers. They are practicing a useful and vital profession within a legal and ethical frame of guidelines.
Posted by: D. O'Meara at April 10, 2004 05:18 AM
SIXTY-FIFTH
WOO-HOO!!
Kos is such a class act, merc comment notwithstanding. In any event I am a major supporter of Markos. As always, I am advocating for an increased blogrole, but what the hey. (I am shameless one might say). You guys might want to let some guest posters do some stuff, write some posts and the like to supplement your tumescent comment section :P.
Bohemian Grove has a much more shadowy rep than that, Lucky Maria. I suggest you go to Alex Jone's site... he snuck into one of their weird rituals, and it's not just liberals who go to this place, they are all the 'leaders and shakers" of the world. Colin Powell's been there, Alexander Hague, Georgie, etc.... anyone who has power, including the corporate elite, but NO women.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:30 PMThere is another war besides the one in Iraq.
The class war against the non affluent started by Raygun.
Programmers and Engineers are the latest casualties
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:30 PM1984=2004 if Bush wins.
Unknown enemy>>>war on terrorism>>>everlasting war>>>hate-filled rhetoric>>>george w bush>>>2+2=5>>>war is peace>>>freedom is slavery>>>ignorance is strength.
Don't let it happen.
trying to protect our privacy (email addresses, etc) from the right wing may be a losing battle. they have friends in low places.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:31 PMDuring the Cold War Communism was a faceless enemy, embraced by both Republicans and Democrats. It's been a modern Republican tendency to demonize individuals: Carlos the Jackal (Reagan), Noriega and Saddam (Bush the Elder), Osama and Saddam and now Moqtada al-Sadr (Bush the dim Son).
When Clinton went into Kosovo, he did not demonize any single person. He focused on what was happening. In fact, after the WTC bombing in 1993, the Clinton administration didn't demonize those responsible, even though it would have been easy to.
Listening via the web stream in Old Europe... great show and nice to hear Kos's voice. But please guys it's not "Eye-rack"!
Kudos to JG (my heartthrob) for the Chomsky reference BTW.
Posted by: Paolo at April 12, 2004 09:32 PMI thought I had heard Sam was going to marry in Mass. on the 20th or May. I could be worng and I mean no disrespect if I am.
My bf and I were talking with some friends at a publishing company here in Chicago and we chatted about Sam and Janeane.
Thank GOD the show is live now! The tape delay wasn't working at all. Sounds great!!
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:32 PMI think that Kos' statement about the Merc's needed to be said--and I'm glad that he did!
Grem-
Posted by: Gremlin at April 12, 2004 09:32 PM.....oh yeah, is it me or the right wing is getting really paranoid?
Hey Russia and China also try to quell the internet.
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:33 PMA mercenary is a soldier for hire. That's simple enough. Who was talking about Hessians? Contractor is an insufficient term at any rate.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:33 PMReal wages started to decline in 1973.
When productivity increases are factored in americans are working for a fraction of what they made in 1973 per unit of production.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:34 PMI HATE the terms blog and blogosphere...
Posted by: Dick Weed at April 12, 2004 09:35 PMLogic Problem...
George Bush is a horse’s ass of immense proportions.
Clinton/Gore were more conservative than they were liberal. (my opinion)
Ralph Nader/Kucinich look to be actual progressive liberals.
John Kerry is an old New England same as it ever was politician.
The two party system is corrupt, flawed, and leaves too many out of the loop.
Corporations will support Kerry but never Nader/Kucinich
Corporations are bad.
Conclusion? George Bush is a horse’s ass of immense proportions.
Vote for Kerry, we’ll work on him later….
Posted by: causticyak at April 12, 2004 09:35 PMlet me just post here on my apple pie...
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:35 PMLinbaugh, Hannity, Worldnetdaily, Ann Coulter etc. I think they have their pages and stuff.
Posted by: Chadzilla at April 12, 2004 09:35 PMI think we just kill the democracynow server....lol
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:36 PMI'm a right-winger veteran, as far as I know, probably alienated, but I love your voice of freedom, Janeane! If you didn't speak so much truth you'd probably piss me off!
But could we get the brunette 'do back, though? Whatever point you were trying to make by it, it needs to be made, then go back to being your famously-beautiful self.
Posted by: Uzi at April 12, 2004 09:36 PMAMY!!!!
Posted by: Rico at April 12, 2004 09:36 PMI think Kos comes across well on the radio, as opposed to Atrios who's somewhat cold sounding. The way Kos sounds on the radio totally defuses his comment about the mercenaries, for me anyway.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:36 PMThis is the point - by expanding bandwidth and self-funding, we break the economic model of the mass media
"Nonetheless, it's really perfectly acceptable to refer to them as such in a casual vernacular. Merriam Webster defines "mercenary" as "one that serves merely for wages; especially : a soldier hired into foreign service". These men qualify."
Actually, I think they don't qualify. The Webster definition matches the international law definition, in that "hired into foreign service," I think means hired to fight for a foreign gov't. I supposed it could be interpreted as meaning hired to go overseas, but I think that the definitions are the same and that armed, gov't contractors are not mercenaries.
I just think that "mercernary" is a loaded word that implies certain things about the people in these positions that just aren't true. I am concerned about demonizing them for political purposes. I'm more concerned about the managerial types back home who are profiteering off the war. They're the ones that tick me off, not the guy or gal in the trenches.
Posted by: Jon at April 12, 2004 09:37 PMAmy's sound is so sexy.... heh.
PS. yay Amy, good job with Pasifica.
Posted by: andy at April 12, 2004 09:37 PMThere once was a website with a secret page
Devoid of porn links, suitable for every age
They called it a blog
And attacked it whole hog
Freedom of speech brings on all this rage
The media's generalizations need to be put into focus.
What about the way the media tries to demonize the world's current distaste for our gov't? "The don't just hate our gov't, they hate YOU" That is so not true. Countries that oppose the war are very capable of distinguishing between Americans and America's Gov't.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:37 PMJoy,
I did NOT mean to imply that liberals go to the Bohemian club. Just the opposite, my father-in- law has worked hard to try and change it from the inside.
BUT, the statements such as - "they perform a ritual human sacrifice" [which is what I first read about] - are exactly the kind of things that the right loves to say about the left and take out of context. I don't want the left to be guilty of the same thing. The club has many bizarre rituals and I'm not saying they are good. There are plenty of scary, private, white power clubs out there. I just find it amusing because I have heard first hand accounts AND the accounts through the media filter.
It's sort of like the game telephone, where the stuff that goes in one end can come out the other in a completely distorted manner.
Posted by: Lucky Maria at April 12, 2004 09:37 PM
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Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:38 PMGet your Democracy Now! t-shirt! Got mine few years ago. Amy was the exception for a long time! Thanks To Amy & Pacifica we now have Air America.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:38 PMAmy and Kos you rock!
thanks for all your postings and news
I love your sites.
The information you gave on Haiti was awesome
Really?!? Regan trying to stop balanced speech? I'm SHOCKED!
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:39 PMHousehold income is the diversionary term used to disguise the fact that wages are falling.
Just add more household members to the workforce and it looks like everything is fine.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:39 PMFairness repealed due to consolidation! They oushed congress to repeal.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:39 PMDemocracy Now --- truth, justice & the THE American way. No BS, no spin, just the straight poop. This is the site the metal right freepers try to hack & crush at every opportunity.
www.democracynow.org
"Never heard of Media Concentration? You Know Why? Media Concentration"
Posted by: Thor Mathison at April 12, 2004 09:40 PMyep - it is a culture of expert control in washington, and that is why the money and power keep flowing into the beltway.....
yep again - they repealed the requirement to provide the public service - the reason is the belief that the marketplace embodies virtue in human endeavor - so deregulate everything.
Posted by: ctchris at April 12, 2004 09:40 PMViva Democracy NOW!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:40 PMFairness Doctrine Inconvenient? Really? How absurd. I didn't know Reagan got it repealed it as well. Outrageous.
Posted by: Taylor in Santa Cruz CA at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMhttp://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Fairness.html
The Fairness Doctrine from 1949 until 1987, when it was discontinued by the Federal Communications Commission, required broadcasters, as a condition of getting their licenses from the FCC, to cover controversial issues in their community, and to do so by offering some balancing views. It did not require equal time for opposing views. It merely prevented a station from day after day presenting a single view without airing opposing views.
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMUzi-
So much for left-wingers and right-wingers agreeing...
I actually like her blonde hair :)
Posted by: Justin Donahoe at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMCNN is just as guilty of perpetuating the administrations lies and myths because they will not step forward and question their actions.
It's sad really...because this is their moment to shine.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMthe argument is that we should be educated and informed by experts, that is the argument that binds both the parties together inside the beltway to the media elites. ...
Posted by: ctchris at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMContractor is actually the misleading terminology. It gives the impression that these people might be there rebuilding the infrastructure or hospitals or something. They are soldiers for hire. That's what a mercenary is. No need to cloud the issue with a lot of implied meanings. To know that the men who were killed and dismembered were packing weapons might add another dimension into public percetption.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMWe could call blogs "American Values Sites." They'd be contacted to "aves," fitting in nicely with the internet/ highway analogy.
Posted by: Vioxel (vee-OAK-sel) at April 12, 2004 09:41 PMAMY - GREAT GUEST
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:42 PMi don't think the government fears anything as much as an army of rebel hackers.
Posted by: jojo at April 12, 2004 09:42 PMhttp://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/Fairness.html
The Court's decision led to the FCC reevaluation and discontinuance of the Fairness Doctrine. The FCC stated: "We no longer believe that the Fairness Doctrine, as a matter of policy, serves the public interests. In making this determination, we do not question the interest of the listening and viewing public in obtaining access to diverse and antagonistic sources of information.
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:42 PMhttp://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm
"in the spring of 1987, both houses of Congress voted to put the fairness doctrine into law--a statutory fairness doctrine which the FCC would have to enforce, like it or not. But President Reagan, in keeping with his deregulatory efforts and his long-standing favor of keeping government out of the affairs of business, vetoed the legislation. There were insufficient votes to override the veto. Congressional efforts to make the doctrine into law surfaced again during the Bush administration. As before, the legislation was vetoed, this time by Bush"
Posted by: JasonK at April 12, 2004 09:42 PMI wouldn't doubt the net is next
look at what happened with the Carnivore Internet surveillance system
I saw one of Sam's episodes of Sex and the City this past weekend.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:43 PMAmy! Didn't know she was gonna be on. Awesome.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:43 PMThe Fairness Doctrine from 1949 until 1987, when it was discontinued by the Federal Communications Commission, required broadcasters, as a condition of getting their licenses from the FCC, to cover controversial issues in their community, and to do so by offering some balancing views. It did not require equal time for opposing views. It merely prevented a station from day after day presenting a single view without airing opposing views.
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:43 PMAMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THank you! You are a Goddess! I'll see you on the 18th in Santa Cruz!
Actually Howard Stern may be another voice that helps to get rid of the Bush regime. They just did a story on him on Countdown and how he might just get his 8 million listeners to vote for Kerry because of what the FCC has been doing to him. You should do an interview with him, Jeaneane....
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:43 PMJust orderd Ms. Goodman's book. Sounds like excellent reading.
Posted by: Chadzilla at April 12, 2004 09:43 PMThere once was a doctrine called fairness
When it was gone it was sorely missed
Reagan deregulated
Airwaves filled with hatred
I need oxycontin to cope with this mess
the assumption of the political elites - of both the democratic and republican parties, the federal bureaucacy, and the media - is that the people of the US cannot absorb the minutiae required to render intelligent judgement on the issues
Posted by: ctchris at April 12, 2004 09:43 PM1996 Telecommunications act was written by GOP and
passed by GOP. I was upset that Clinton didn't opposae it more, but it was basically written by the GOP who allowed the heads of telecom companies right in their offices to help them write it.]The media never bothered to call this a scandal/ The GOP is doing whatever because until now, the media has done their bidding.
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Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:44 PMAmy definitely has VERY nice radio voice.
Posted by: Tony at April 12, 2004 09:44 PMThe FCC "Fairness Doctrine" was not "repealed," because it was never a law. It was an FCC regulation, and a 1987 lawsuit caused it to be nullified by a federal court, who ruled that because the Doctrine was not a law, the FCC had no right to enforce such a speech-restricting rule.
Posted by: Larry at April 12, 2004 09:44 PM
The "Hush Rush" Hoax:
Limbaugh on the Fairness Doctrine
And they believed him when he claimed the Fairness Doctrine was aimed at censoring conservative talkshow hosts (Limbaugh TV show, 9/17/93): "It's the latest attempt by the United States Congress to legislate against me, and talk radio hosts." Remarked Limbaugh (Limbaugh Letter, 10/93): "Why is 'fairness' so needed now? Because there's too much conservatism out there." In reality, not one doctrine decision issued by the FCC had ever concerned itself with talkshows. Indeed, the talkshow format was born, and flourished, while the doctrine was in operation. Right-wing hosts often dominated the talkshows, even in liberal cities, but none was ever muzzled.
http://www.fair.org/extra/9411/limbaugh-fcc.html
The world is turning upside-down! Everybody knows that brunettes are supposed to be liberal and blondes are supposed to be right-wingers!
Posted by: Uzi at April 12, 2004 09:45 PMStern is a soft spt for the GOP since he has so many potential Bush supporters in his audience. You know, fart jokes and wet t-shirts. Classic stuff.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:45 PMmore college graduates are having to move back in with their parents where they don't have to pay rent because the jons they went to school for no longer exsist (in america) and they have to pay their huge student loans (because you can't get gov't grants anymore)
Posted by: christine at April 12, 2004 09:45 PMHere's a lot of information on the FCC Fairness Doctrine:
http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/F/htmlF/fairnessdoct/fairnessdoct.htm
Posted by: Larry at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMDEMOCRATS ARE ALSO EMBEDDED IN THE SYSTEM - YOU CAN'T BE PRESIDENT UNLESS YOU LIE-AND CHEAT.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMI think it is going to be crucial to find some way to start educating the average voter--or nonvoter. So many people just assume that the news shows are telling the truth, and if you suggest they are not, you must be conspiracy-minded (and therefore not to be trusted.)
For many of us, it is *so* obvious that Bush is the worst president we have had in a long time, and he doesn't care at all about ordinary working (or jobless, for that matter) people. Yet there are plenty of people out there who still buy that he is a "good Christian" and "did a great job leading our nation after the 9/11 attacks".
By the way, I put together a handout refuting the "good Christian" myth. Click my name. Print it, and share it with those who need enlightenment.
Posted by: Renee in Ohio at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMDo yourself a favor and listen to Democracy Now, it's probably the best progressive show on the web.
Posted by: Smafty at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMof course that we can't all be expert on everything is accurate, the problem is that it is a self-serving and self-referrential thought process and culture.
Some of us believe that the public exercises a different kind of understanding and judgement that is not expert BUT NO LESS VALID.
Posted by: ctchris at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMLou Dobbs - "Whats happening to income in this country is frightening"
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:46 PMLISTENER SPONSORED WWW.WBAI.ORG
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:47 PMYes try to get Stern! Al Franken was on Stern promoting Air America!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:47 PMI was listening to the Steve Robinson and was struck by one think. The government sends out these soldiers, the lose arms and legs, might lose their sight, hearing, or their lives. But it isn't until they get back to the good ol' US that they finally lose their voices.
Aren't I poetic?
Danny
Posted by: Danny at April 12, 2004 09:47 PMDid anybody listen to Unfiltered this morning? They had a guest on from the Middle East and I was wondering if anybody knows his name.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:47 PMI believe this is the Supreme Court case which repealied the "fairness doctrine" in media. Enjoy.
U.S. Supreme Court
FCC v. LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF CALIFORNIA, 468 U.S. 364 (1984)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=468&page=364
"Contractors" is a very appropriate term. The jobs are in fact "contracted" to men and women who specialize in a specific field. The term "mercenary" carries with it implications of criminality and brings to mind cliches and sterotypes from movies and pulp fiction. While that type of person certainly exists, most are professional people, with scruples and principles, who follow a professional ethic.
The misconception is that the security contractors are mercenaries who are actually fighting the war. The fact is that most are there to protect aid workers, media personnel and the contractors who are re-building the infrastructure. The men killed in Fallujah were escorting relief convoys.
Posted by: Danny at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMTHOSE IN NEW YORK LISTEN TO 99.5 F.M. - IN THE MORNING WAKE UP CALL 9A.M. DEMOCRACY NOW
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMDitto on Democracy Now! Best progressive show out!
ooops... sorry for the 'ditto'.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMI don't agree with what danny writes about contractors, but I sure wish all right wing people could debate and argue with his level of intelligence and logic. Good job, Danny of presenting your views. I enjoyed reading them
Posted by: Barbara at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMThat was a BIG BIG interview... thank you Amy. The CIA analysts were also great.
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMYes Stern can change may moderate Republicans to Kerry!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMi thought america is a REPUBLIC not DEMOCRACY
Posted by: jt at April 12, 2004 09:48 PMWow! This thing grows so damn fast! How can anyone keep up? Whew!
Posted by: Fighting Liberal at April 12, 2004 09:49 PMi said it, the facts is known!
Posted by: jojo at April 12, 2004 09:49 PMmore college graduates are having to move back in with their parents where they don't have to pay rent because the LOANS they went to school for no longer exsist (in america) and they have to pay their huge student loans (because you can't get gov't grants anymore)
sorry, really badly spelled before
Posted by: christine at April 12, 2004 09:49 PMSUPPORT OUR TROOPS - END THE WAR- HEALTHCARE NOT WARFARE
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:49 PMLou Dobbs is doing more to fight the class war against the non affluent than air america.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:49 PMmore college graduates are having to move back in with their parents where they don't have to pay rent because the jobs they went to school for no longer exsist (in america) and they have to pay their huge student loans (because you can't get gov't grants anymore)
geez, third time's the charm
Posted by: christine at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMWE LIVE IN A PLUTOCRACY-
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMyay, Bush the uniter..? ehrrr....
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMBryan - Is the implication is that anyone should find comfort in the gruesome deaths of those men simply because they were armed? I don't know exactly what they were doing over there. The standard line is that they provide security for civilian contractors. If you can direct me to information that indicates otherwise, I would like to check it out. I will not, however, demonize them or revel in what was done to them. I'm trying NOT to think like the fascists that currently run our country.
Posted by: Jon at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMThe thing about college grads moving in with parents very true.The company I work for hires college students to work part time to gain experience with their studies and just about everyone after graduating wanted to stay and work because they can't find work.I know of 3 that had to move back home because there's nothing out there for college grads.
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMMaria, what's interesting is the fact that I wouldn't exactly call Alex Jone's a repug. He's strange, but he's not a repug. He snuck in to a ritual, he video'd the ritual (they may have more than one, but there's one in particular every year, and then the "lakeside talks" where these power-mongers make decisions, like who's going to be pres, etc....
I know a bunch of Hippy Pagans who hold a ritual outside the grounds of the Bohemian grove at the same time to have a "counter-effect" on their weird ritual with the owl... and the fake(?) sacrifice of care.
And there are democrats at these.... Clinton attended! Walter Conkrite! all kinds of people who have major influence.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:50 PMGONE UNITIN'
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:51 PMGive AMY an AAR show. Please.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 12, 2004 09:51 PMI think many of the undecided voters are looking for a democratic voice to speak out, strong and loud, about the failings of this administration. I am talking about someone directly in Congress. They equally fear the liberal and conservative radio/TV voices because the cons have so soured the medium.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:51 PMNo the message is get the fuck out
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2004 09:52 PMIncorrect. Contractors is a blanket term used to downplay the fact that we are hiring outside security forces; so the papers don't have to put the word "mercenary" in the news or on the air. Mercenaries is an appropriate term because THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. They're not freakin security guards.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:52 PMAMY! AMY! AMY!
Posted by: Fighting Liberal at April 12, 2004 09:52 PMre. previous posts on mercenaries.
If you are working for Blackwater and are assigned to Iraq, and an American citizen, you are a contractor.
If you are a Chilean, working for Blackwater, assigned to Iraq - you are a mercenary.
If you an American, working for Blackwater, and
are reassigned to Myanmar, for instance, you are a mercenary.
Do I have this right?
Posted by: slimharpo at April 12, 2004 09:52 PMYeah, the corporate news journalists were firmly embedded up the Pentagon's ass during the invasion.
Posted by: fafnir at April 12, 2004 09:53 PMI worry a lot that while people on this blog and the people they know are looking for such a leader, but that we're less numerous than we think in this country...
Posted by: Kitty at April 12, 2004 09:53 PMThanks Barbara. But, I'm not a right-winger. I AM, however, a security contractor. I'm against the war, have been since before the invasion. But, I make my living as a security contractor, providing security for among others, CNN and the American Red Cross. I just wanted to dispel the image of contractor as village-burning, money hungry, baby killing mercenary.
Posted by: Danny at April 12, 2004 09:53 PMJaneane shuts down Sam a lot.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:54 PM99.5 F.M. LISTEN IN THE MORNINGS STARTING AT 6A.M. AND AT 9 A.M. DEMOCRACY NOW
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Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:54 PMNot to be a pain in the arse, but will there be any possibility of a high bandwidth stream any time in the future?? That Real Player stream quality sucks. 17kps??? Everyone knows Winamp streams are the only way to go. And WinAmp is a much better player. Hope to hear a high quality stream soon, but even tinny Real Player sounds good when its Air America!!!
Word.
Posted by: John at April 12, 2004 09:54 PMBTW got this from Stern's site:
The Republican National Committee is pressing the Federal Election Commission ("FEC") to issue new rules that would cripple groups that dare to communicate with the public in any way critical of President Bush or members of Congress. Incredibly, the FEC has just issued -- for public comment -- proposed rules that would do just that. Any kind of non-profit -- conservative, progressive, labor, religious, secular, social service, charitable, educational, civic participation, issue-oriented, large, and small -- could be affected by these rules.
By the way, one thing FEC's proposed rules do not affect is the donations you may have made in the past or may make now to MoveOn.org or to the MoveOn.org Voter Fund. They are aimed at activist non-profit groups, not donors.
Operatives in Washington are displaying a terrifying disregard for the values of free speech and openness which underlie our democracy. Essentially, they are willing to pay any price to stop criticism of Bush administration policy.
We've attached materials below to help you make a public comment to the FEC before the comment period ends on APRIL 9th. Your comment could be very important, because normally the FEC doesn't get much public feedback.
Public comments to the FEC are encouraged by email at politicalcommitteestatus@fec.gov
Comments should be addressed to Ms. Mai T. Dinh, Acting Assistant General Counsel, and must include the full name, electronic mail address, and postal service address of the commenter.
More details can be found at: http://www.fec.gov/press/press2004/20040312rulemaking.html
We'd love to see a copy of your public comment. Please email us a copy at
FECcomment@moveon.org.
Whether or not you're with a non-profit, we also suggest you ask your representatives to write a letter to the FEC opposing the rule change.
Some key points:
- Campaign finance reform was not meant to gag public interest organizations. - Political operatives are trying to silence opposition to Bush policy. - The Federal Election Commission has no legal right to treat non-profit interest groups as political committees. Congress and the courts have specifically considered and rejected such regulation.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:54 PMnot a Democracy but a constitutional republic please get it right
Posted by: jt at April 12, 2004 09:54 PMI disagree Christine, I'm a college graduate that lost his job to India, but I got a job and am paying off $100,000 of student loans and I have my own studio apartment... Granted I'm a waiter now...
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 09:54 PMI HATE JUDITH MILLER!!!!!
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 09:55 PMJoy,
Thanks for the info. I'm really looking forward to seeing the video footage.
I hate the idea of elite organizations. In fact, although I'm supporting Kerry I can't get the bad taste out of my mouth that he is one of "them" as well. But he's definitely the lesser of two evils.
Posted by: Lucky Maria at April 12, 2004 09:55 PMInteresting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1190714,00.html
Two American soldiers have deserted, claiming asylum in Canada rather than serve in Iraq. They argue that the war is illegal under international law.
Posted by: James at April 12, 2004 09:55 PMI know dozens of unemployed programmers that are working for slave wages today.
Outsourcing is coming to many professions soon.
If they can't ship your job overseas they will bring an h-1b third worlder here to replace you for a quarter of your salary
I think I have a crush with Amy...*sniff*
Posted by: Dave at April 12, 2004 09:56 PMTHEY KNEW THEY WERE BOUGHT OUT $$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:56 PMIn Chicago, the Sun-Times is kind of moderate/liberal and the Tribune is very conservative. What is the equivalent in NY? LA?
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 09:56 PMthank you. thank you. thank you.
i'm so happy to hear an american voice talking about the depleted uranium.
i'm an american living in japan and have heard all of this and much more for months on the bbc and the japanese media. it's frankly been embarrassing to try to have to explain to japanese who ask me why americans have no idea what is going on.
the depleted uranium is also an issue in kosovo, don't forget. apparently NATO troops are demanding to be transferred out of kosovo because they are getting sick.
it's not just europe that is more aware of this issue than americans -- it's most of world.
Oiligarchy???? I LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 09:57 PMJon. 2+2=4. You are extracting somwthing like 40 from my original point. Who is demonizing anyone?
If there is no negative connotation implied by the fact that these men are mercenaries, then why call them anything but mercenaries? Why cloak their job in the anonymity of "contractors?"
Kowing the men were armed and part of a security force does change the equation. It does not OK what happened, but it shows that they were an armed element of the occupation.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 09:57 PMAs long as the DLC leads this party, the Democrats will crawl on their bellies, rather than stand up for Democratic principles.
Posted by: fafnir at April 12, 2004 09:57 PMAgreed, get Stern.
I usually don't find him funny.
However, he is the only one letting the Outsiders have a voice. I really appreciate that he often invites short people, people with disabilities, retarded people, hobos, prostitutes, etc. on his show. They have to suffer som friendly ridicule, and they get to tell what's going on with their life, and talk about their dreams.
an informed voting public is the enemy of this administration
Posted by: christine at April 12, 2004 09:57 PMWE EXPORT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTUCTION AROUND THE WORLD - THEN THEY COME BACK TO HAUNT US
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:58 PMWE EXPORT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTUCTION AROUND THE WORLD - THEN THEY COME BACK TO HAUNT US
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:58 PMhey, guys! on monday's show, you were talking about the fcc's fairness doctrine? according to eric alterman in his book 'what liberal bias', this doctrine was drafted in 1949, ratified by congress in 1969 ( the point cannot be overlooked that this was a very divisive period in our nation's history, and i feel that the ratication of this doctrine was intended to help ease these stresses which were causing this division). The reagan-appointed fcc overturned this doctrine in 1987. their argument was that, and i'm paraphrasing, the media should not be viewed as a puplic trustee, but as a marketplace business.
kevr0n
Operation
Iraqi
Liberation
A truer acronym does not against, I think.
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Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:59 PM'Hydrogen highway' proposed for Illinois
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Posted by: at April 12, 2004 09:59 PMScoops and oops - This is real news. Marry me Amy.
Posted by: Liberal-at-large at April 12, 2004 09:59 PMJudith Miller is a joke now! Shame on her! She will not say she was wrong in any way either. She waws on tv every minute before war. Everybody wants to be a star! Makes me sick... ugh.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 09:59 PMgoodman on fire
skewers media liars
judith m retires
I miss the good ol days when the most I feared from cons was Newt and Strom. This current leadership is so scary it's almost fictional.
Posted by: Tanner at April 12, 2004 10:00 PMYes, follow the money! Judith Miller is most definitely a shill. She disgusts me. (She was JUST on Larry King)
Maria, no problem. I was sickened as well by the stuff that goes on at the BG. They have something against spiders too, and since I'm a weave, I take offence.
The only thing we can do is expose them.
Posted by: Joy at April 12, 2004 10:00 PMWhatever happens to Judith miller anyway? He could be a CIA or pentagon plant ya know....
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 10:00 PMWho is for running the republican party out of the USA?
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:00 PMi would like to hear Robin Quivers as a guest.
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 10:00 PMoh-yeah...
first to post with the word "first" (not "frist")!
THANKS FOR HAVING AMY ON!!!
True! These people are near Nazis. Miss James Watt too!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 10:01 PMTwo things: from a hegemonial stand-point, it seems to me that government in general is very afraid that we don't actually need it. In addition it seems to me that there are more natural differences that are arizing and that the geography of the United States may be very different in the long-term future. I wouldn't be surprized if sometime in the near future we don't have a Southern area that isn't essentially a different country. This may be true of Asia as well as differrent religious or ethnic tribes seek to govern themselves. Its very, very freaky! We are definitely living in a period that is setting up for the future, whether that be a more peaceful thing or one based in economic and big business' control--we will see.
I wonder too, what changes the present will make in terms of linguistic theory--looks like current post modern ideas of agency are being completely repudiated--but you never know!
Grem-
Posted by: Gremlin at April 12, 2004 10:01 PM*If they can't ship your job overseas they will bring an h-1b third worlder here to replace you for a quarter of your salary*
I wonder if that's why Bush has plans grant legal status - at least temporarily - to millions of illegal immigrants.
Danny
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 10:01 PMwww.infowars.com
"an informed voting public is the enemy of this administration"
So, to fight this administration, clearly we are going to need some Weapons of Mass Instruction.
Posted by: Renee in Ohio at April 12, 2004 10:02 PMYes Give us ROBIN Q!
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 10:02 PMthat book that janeane mentioned "1000 americas", was that written by GEORGE seldes the famous journalist, who wrote: "thell the truth and run", and does anyone have any information where i can get it?
Posted by: myopia at April 12, 2004 10:02 PMThe term "mercenary" is a negative one . It implies criminality and a larcenous mind-set. While there are mercenaries(of all nationalities), they are, in fact, quite a different type of operator. It isn't just symantic.
Posted by: Danny at April 12, 2004 10:02 PMdannysully,
i also pay rent and do not live with my parents.
but most of my paycheck goes directly to pay my student loan.
the graduates who move in with mom and dad can pay their loans off quicker
Can you ask Amy about the time she was arrested?
http://www.pacifica.org/news/030308_AmyGoodmanArrest.html
Posted by: wanda at April 12, 2004 10:03 PMi can't wait until tomorrow night's press conference with Bush and get to see all the "cream puff" "Karl Rove" censored question's that Bush will get! Just curious how many televised debates does every one think Bush will have with Kerry! Kerry challenged him to one a month till Nov! but no response from "Dubya" hmmm... wonder why? I think Kerry would slam dunk him so bad in them! I venture to say at the most Bush might agree to 2!
Posted by: defybush at April 12, 2004 10:03 PMDanny--doesn't that sound like some sort of veiled threat by the Bush administration?!?
Sounds like they are really trying to scare us all into submission. Sounds like a variation on the Planet of the Apes--no racism intended.
Grem-
Posted by: Gremlin at April 12, 2004 10:04 PMIn reponse to the question about 'mercenaries'. I have never heard anything about nationality in regards to the definition of 'mercenary'. 'Contractor' is a blanket term that can mean any job contracted by our government. Mercenary is a specific term for a person who acts as a soldier for hire no matter what the nationality. Unless those terms have been redefined under the princoples of new speak, I think that is still the case.
HOW ABOUT GETTING HAS A GUEST FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL RAMSEY CLARK
RAMSEY CLARK
Tom Delay used to be an exterminator! Figues one of the most powerful men in USA is a cockroach.
Posted by: BuckFush at April 12, 2004 10:04 PMDead stream, guys.
Posted by: Vioxel (vee-OAK-sel) at April 12, 2004 10:04 PMI love Amy Goodman's idea about the mainstream media being compelled to give air time to those who were orginally right about the war in Iraq and 9/11.
Fox News should be forced to let Janeane back onto Bill O'Reilly's show -- with a rolled-up newspaper in each of her hands.
Some of the programmers i know have been outsourced
twice. Once out of the programming profession and a second time out of their replacement job.
A lot of employers view hiring americans as the worst thing that can happen to them.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:05 PMisnt Ramsey Clark dead?
Posted by: FlamingBuddha at April 12, 2004 10:05 PM
Democrats loved what Howard Dean brought on but folded on him at Karl Roves bluff.
Congressional Democrats could have stemmed the drive towards the war but did naught.
Some Dems are calling for a Kerry/McCain ticket.
The threat to Democrats are not the disparate wings of the party but the insecure ones who think Republican lite is THE option. I consider them beltway eels, satisfied with crumbs that gave them career survival but woefully lost all the branches of gov't to the Reps.
Whatever currency you use, the one the general American public cannot stand is spinelesness; conservative or progressive, whether you are in the right or wrong. The Right has defined the Left as spineless and it has stuck. Unsticking it requires the same "craftiness, on-pointedness and ferocity as those who have so far done the labelling.
Drivers needed!
Posted by: Chaz at April 12, 2004 10:05 PMThe numbers on the realplayer stream go by so fast, reminding me that I'm missing stuff!!
Posted by: Sergenth at April 12, 2004 10:05 PMDoes anyone else had a problem with Kerry, if elected, keeping US troops in Iraq to "patrol"? Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing there right now? Keeping the peace? Honestly isn't that just 6 of one 1/2 of a dozen?
Danny
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 10:06 PMAck! The stream has gone dead! Noooooooo!
Posted by: Becky at April 12, 2004 10:06 PMYep. Got a carrier but no intelligence.
WOW! did you hear paul bremmer side step that question about the saddam oppressed iraqi who now
hates the U.S
Powerful stuff guys..
Who,s buying this drivel comin from the whitehouse,i got a bridge to sell ,em
You Real Player Feed Has Gone DEAD
Posted by: Taylor in Santa Cruz CA at April 12, 2004 10:07 PMYeah my stream has gone dead too.
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 10:07 PMApril 12, 2004
BY ZAY N. SMITH SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
QT Trickle-On Economics Update:
Arizona residents whose jobs have gone overseas can call a special hotline regarding welfare and food stamps, where a helpful person in Mexico or India will answer any questions.
i've been laid off from 7 different jobs since 911, 3 of which never paid me!
Posted by: n69n at April 12, 2004 10:07 PMAnyone in NY or Cali listening on the radio?
Posted by: fafnir at April 12, 2004 10:08 PMMexicans are flooding into the construction trades.
If you make more than 7 dollars an hour your employer wants to replace you.
Air america doesn't seem to interested in this topic.
All they talk about is Iraq.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:08 PMYes, mercenary does suggest some level of criminality which makes it an entirely appropriate terminology. Criminal invasion, criminal occupation, mercenary... it's consistant.
Hey.. what the hell? Lost my signal!
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 10:08 PMWhat about Robert McNamara?
Would that be aiming too high?
WAR IS TERRORISM
WAR IS TERRORISM
Posted by: PRAY at April 12, 2004 10:08 PMAny court reposters want to transcribe for us poor internet would-be listeners?
Posted by: Vioxel (vee-OAK-sel) at April 12, 2004 10:08 PMLesson learned
News Item: Testimony shows Clinton administration did not do enough about al-Qaida threat to our shores.
News Item: Testimony shows Bush administration did not do enough about al-Qaida threat to our shores.
Or should we be paying attention instead to the current al-Qaida threat to our shores?
About which we are not doing enough.
Being too busy in Iraq.
QT is at qt@suntimes.com.
I recommend you add a QuickTime stream playable with iTunes on both Macs and Windows XP and 2k PCs for a fixed fee no matter what the volume. Real Player Feed Is Still DEAD
Posted by: Taylor in Santa Cruz CA at April 12, 2004 10:09 PMRAMSEY CLARK IS ALIVE AND WELL AND ANTI WAR.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:10 PMHow is it that the america is the world's biggest consumers but we no longer produce any consumable goods? Well with the execption of food... That might explain why we're also one of the fattest countries.
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 10:11 PMThey're baaaaaack...
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 10:11 PMwoo hoo! My feeding tube is flowing again.
Posted by: Vioxel (vee-OAK-sel) at April 12, 2004 10:11 PMWE LIVE IN A WAR ECONOMY - GO BUILD BOMBS AND JOIN THE ARMY. JUST KIDDING BUT IT'S THE ONLY JOB WHERE THERE ARE NEVER ENOUGH PEOPLE.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:12 PMWe spend more on diet pills than most countries spend on food...
Posted by: Bjorn at April 12, 2004 10:12 PMIf I am spending all my time just trying to make a wage slave living I don't have time or energy to protest any other injustices including Iraq
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:13 PMI agree with Danny that "mercenary" is a loaded term and that it is being used improperly on the show. BTW, thanks to Bryan for clarifying that 2+2 thing for me.
Posted by: Jon at April 12, 2004 10:13 PMWE SUPPORT ALOT OF DICTATORS- GET CHEAP LABOR AND CONTROL
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:15 PMYour welcome Jon. I thought it the equation might exemplify how the sum should be equal to the factors from which is was drawn.
Posted by: Bryan at April 12, 2004 10:17 PMnew thread
Posted by: christine at April 12, 2004 10:18 PMTry the feed again - when I did, it wasn't REAL anymore - works fine.
For all of us:
We are the:
democratic wing of the democracy
republican wing of the republic
American wing of America
What do these things stand for? - democracy exists for the people, not just for power but to allow citizens to participate directly in governance and police.
Republican b/c we believe in checks and balances, personal freedoms, and the balancing of the majority will and the dignity of the individual.
American not b/c we chest thump, but b/c we stand for the ideals of the core values of the Constitution - equality for all Persons, politics for the people, balanced by the rights we all hold dear - here and across the world, whether we are American citizens or citizens of the world.
But American has become government for the corporations, by the corporations, with the individual citizens left to fight over our "culture" - what is left over after the corporate oligarchs take what they want, and leave us what annot threaten them. Remember when the outsourcing thing blew up, and the right said we cannot expect corporations to not act out of the best interests of their stockholders, not the country - when we expect our sons and daughters to get killed for our "country" -
Posted by: John Hayes at April 12, 2004 10:20 PMBrowkaws "Greatest Generation" was the first generation to leave their children with a lower standard of living then they had.
Browkaw neglected to tell you that.
Just a coincidence
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:21 PMActually both are appropriate:
mercenary noun
a soldier who fights for any country or group that pays them
mercenary adjective
interested only in the amount of money that can be obtained from a situation:
It works.
Selling your kids down the economic river is a sure sign you have no morals at all.
Posted by: at April 12, 2004 10:24 PMI disagree.. I believe Bush. This war will bring peace to Iraq. This war will bring peace to the US. This war will bring peace.
On a personal note, I have begun fucking for virginity.
Posted by: DannySully at April 12, 2004 10:31 PMoops! eric alterman's book is entitled "what liberal MEDIA". my bad...
J&S - when are we going to see the political movie you guys made? www.abadsituationist.com makes it sound great! What's the deal with it?
Posted by: napalmdoom76 at April 13, 2004 04:45 PM